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In Attack on Titan 4x3, The Door of Hope, Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie, and some titan food set out on the journey of a lifetime, only to find that the greatest gift they have is... uh...???
Attack on Titan season 4 synopsis: Life is cruel in the world of Titan, most of all for the insects who just can't seem to catch a break.
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!!! This episode is definitely a personal favourite of mine, and your commentary never fails to disappoint! Everyone's put in their own neat two cents, but I'm just going to pop in with a quick mention about Season 1 Episode 2, in case you haven't already been told about this super cool fact-- if you go back and rewatch some of the still frames during the Wall Maria refugee scenes, you'll catch a cameo of young Reiner and Bertholdt in the crowd, and one of young Annie (buying bread at a stall if I'm remembering right)! :) Some nice lil hints coming all the way from Episode 2 of the series, hah!
Cheezy
2021-06-11 00:52:43 +0000 UTCmaybe o.o I've always wondered why they included bert saying that
minimonie__
2021-06-09 14:21:10 +0000 UTCIt was much harder to tell it was Eren in the manga until the final reveal but other people picked up that it was Eren since he first appeared when Falco first met him. I have no idea how I missed it too. Haha
Yusuf
2021-06-09 13:35:48 +0000 UTCFalco has no idea what his punch to the wall did. Like wow! Just that little action stopped Reiner from killing himself!
Yusuf
2021-06-09 12:45:23 +0000 UTCI agree with what you said but Marley had already decided to destroy the walls and the Eldians within them. I don't think the Eldians had a choice but to fight. The enemy is literally at the gates.
Yusuf
2021-06-09 12:26:09 +0000 UTCA lot of other comments have the big nuanced paragraphs about eren and reiner which word them better than me so just a reminder than next episode has an important post credits scene!
malikparah
2021-06-09 11:16:16 +0000 UTC"Only those who keep moving forward will ever know"
Joestar San
2021-06-09 08:46:30 +0000 UTCI think the last part of the speech of eren talks about the difference between someone who is forced into war, and someone who decides to go to war, one its understandable, the other its much more hard to understand, they push themselves to do something horrible, terrible, maybe for hope. but at what cost. This speech will be much more relevant towards the story, Season 4 its big brain season on AoT, so being sharp about this things will help you. Also, although Reiner showed an evil behavior towards eldians, he clearly regrets everything he did on that island, considering he was about to shoot himself in the mouth after a long flashback that can be assumed it was him remembering in his bed his past, if it weren´t because falco was there to remind him that there is still something worth living for regardless of the painful guilt, atleast for a moment. So the question is, if someone Was evil in a moment because he believed in something greater, but after some time he finally realizes about what he´s done, could you forgive him?, its up to you, Reiner wasn´t innocent in what he did, and he knows it, and regrets it. he can´t forgive himself it seems.
Sh3nx
2021-06-09 08:21:29 +0000 UTCThe second part about Eren not being influenced by his titan memories is just false. He doesn't just REMEMBER his past titans' memories- they become a part of him. Those memories become him, the ideologies of his past inheritors are integrated into his mindset. Memories truly do make the individual, and Eren, since regaining his father's and Kruger's memories, has certainly inherited many traits from both individuals. I also think you are quite wrong in saying Goodwin's observations are false. He has made a few jokes against Eren, but I'm not sure he means some of the things he says literally. A lot of the observations he has made about Eren and his role in the future have actually hit quite home with the end result that is being displayed here. Goodwin makes great character observations, and sure he may be wrong a few times, but the majority of the time, he takes in new information, reevaluates his point, and makes a better observation. It's one of the things I really enjoy about his reactions.
Aaron Ong
2021-06-09 07:51:04 +0000 UTCHi Alex! I don't know if anyone else may have said something similar to this in the comments, but I just wanted to give some of my thoughts on Eren's speech at the end of the episode. So in the 1st part, like you said, Eren talks about how there's a Hell people face who are brought to take terrible action through the guidance of people around them and the hopelessness of their situation. How I understood the 2nd part is that there is a worse Hell that is face by those who find themselves having taken terrible action knowing that the one who has been pushing their back toward where they are now has been no one but themselves. So in that way, the 2nd Hell doesn't come at the moment that you first consciously recognize the reality of your own personal responsibility, but at the realization that unlike your peer's, that has been your reality all along. That while you and they have both committed terrible sins, they never had the opportunity to turn away from the path they were given and you did. Just some of my thoughts, I know it's a bit long. I love listening to you talk about this show! Keep up the good work!
7thdilemma
2021-06-09 07:04:28 +0000 UTClol people are just like "eren" in the comments XD I kid u not i didn't catch onto that being eren till he revealed himself and having watched this season a few times now i can't believe i missed it XD
Brimmy
2021-06-09 06:52:19 +0000 UTCThat position that Bert is sleeping in, with his arms behind his back and his legs crossed, is identical to the Hanged Man card in a tarot deck. I don't know much about tarot, but when I googled it I found a site that says 'the hanged man understands that his position is a sacrifice that he needed to make in order to progress forward - whether as repentance for past wrongdoings, or a calculated step backward to recalculate his path onward'. Much to think about...
bryn sutton
2021-06-09 06:23:31 +0000 UTCAs much as your input on the themes of the show is good, but you seem to have got the characterization of the characters go way over your head, I can't help but notice you pretty much have the wrong perception on most characters (wrong not in your opinion but in the information you seem to have missed upon which you are supposed to build your opinion on them). Your opinions on most of them is based on things the show already established to no be true or things that changed throughout the progression of show. Example "Eren being binary character" is something that ended as early as the end of season 2, "Eren wanting to be special" is also something that the author made an entire episode to refute (the Bystander episode) where Eren basically accepts that he is a normal person. " "Eren wanting to be a hero" was never a character trait of Eren to begin with. Also you crediting Eren's character developement not to him but to the memories of the other titans is very wrong, that's not how it works, Eren is not of a royal blood to be affected by the ideals of the previous titans, he merly got the memories from the other titans not changed his entire personality by having the titan; the personality change was due to his experiences and what he learned thanks to the memories. So when Eren says something, then that's Eren saying it and believing in it, not Grisha or Kruger or whatever other people influencing him, Eren only got parts of their memories and what he makes of them is for him to decide.
Jonas
2021-06-09 06:06:34 +0000 UTCGotta appreciate those rare moments when you get what you want in this show haha
Alex G
2021-06-09 05:21:33 +0000 UTCI would have liked to see more of Annie. It's interesting, I did come out of the episode with a lot more sympathy for her but didn't really articulate why that was. You put it really nicely
Alex G
2021-06-09 05:19:14 +0000 UTCRight — I think the answer to Eren's question might be Reiner. He was thrust into this position, but in the end he chose to continue along it. On the other side was an existence so hellish that he almost made the choice to end it. And I feel like here, Eren is sort of venting his fears to Falco: What am I going to find when I get through this? Will I be fulfilled? Or will I find something worse than I could have imagined? All of this raises the question: just what IS he here to do?
a. tree
2021-06-09 05:09:38 +0000 UTCDo you remember way back in season 2 when you said you wanted to make Reiner the main character. Welp. I think isayama wanted that too lmao
Nick Deano
2021-06-09 05:08:31 +0000 UTCI screamed in shock the first time I watched Reiner almost commit suicide. I just love this setup because when Berthold said: "why did he tell us about his life shortly because he killed himself" I was like: wait? Is that why we’re seeing this flashback? Is this Reiner telling us about his life before the end? So I was kinda sure it was gonna happen. Probably my favorite aot episode, but it’s just too damn hard to choose
Anna Lena Ciplajevs
2021-06-09 05:06:30 +0000 UTCI think "Eren" was basically saying "Those who are not forced to fight but choose to go to war, do it for hope but it might be another hell." Like at least if you are forced to fight, you can pass the blame for your crimes to the one who made you do it. However if you choose to go there yourself, it will probably haunt you more because you chose this.
War2244
2021-06-09 05:02:42 +0000 UTC"Eren" was one of the PTSD soldiers in episode 2 who interacted with Falco after the dickhead dude made the soldiers have a panic attack.
War2244
2021-06-09 04:59:23 +0000 UTCHope the rest of the night can be a lot better! Take care of yourself!
Aura Y
2021-06-09 04:39:01 +0000 UTCThe biggest supporting fact that the story is anti war is that it shows nuanced perspectives from both sides, and from people who don't even care about it all. Isayama isn't glorifying the Marleyans for example. I still don't get how people can watch the whole show and come away with it thinking: "This story is saying war and racism are good" no it's not. It's pretty much constantly saying "no, it's awful. This is how it affects everyone." There's a big difference between portraying horrible ideals for a narrative vs condoning them in your narrative. The risk that the story takes is in portraying both sides as human.
Nick
2021-06-09 04:36:55 +0000 UTCIf you look back in the prior episode there is a scene where a Marleyan soldier says "boom" causing the patients to freak out and fall to the ground; Eren was disguised as one of them and Falco helped him up. I won't say any more than that but thats what you know so far!
GraphicsCow
2021-06-09 04:35:01 +0000 UTCOf course, it’s not different to any other Titan ability. It’s Japanese name translates to “Female form Titan” because remember the titans are genderless, most of them “appear” male and some “appear” female (on a superficial level), that’s why it’s Female “form” Titan because it’s not actually female, it just appears that way.
Jk844
2021-06-09 04:33:07 +0000 UTCI had such a garbage day today. Like seriously one of my worst days in years. I'm happy to be able to kick back at the end of it and watch some TV with you, man. You really do provide a valuable service to people in a way I didn't quite understand until right now. Thanks!
MikeWest
2021-06-09 04:30:02 +0000 UTCAlso, the person reading the newspaper was not Eren (they don't look alike)
a. tree
2021-06-09 04:22:06 +0000 UTCAnother scene foreshadowing Eren is when Reiner and the kids are walking away in Ep. 2, theres a figure with long hair watching from a balcony. I was reading the manga for this part of the story and the entire time I had no clue it was Eren talking because you can't hear his voice, and at the last panel it finally reveals him, just pure shock.
Christian Medeiros
2021-06-09 04:19:57 +0000 UTCThis episode gives a new meaning to her conversation with Marlowe during the episode where she gets caught... "I just want the people like me, the weak who get swept along with the flow, to be thought of as human too." Because Annie so is exactly that person. Reiner strong-arms them to continue the mission, but most of it is on Annie's back and she decides to obey them because it's the only way they'll be able to go home. Reiner ordered her to be the one to steal Marco's gear — she curses Reiner for being an asshole, but does it anyway. As we learn in this episodes, Annie herself does not agree with any side of this conflict and doesn't care about the mission; in fact by the time of Trost attack she probably considers what they are doing to be evil, given her reaction at the Marco thing. But she still just takes the path of least resistance and does it all anyway. I'm not sure if it's better or worse: she does all of this evil not because she believes in it, but just because it's the easiest route for her to get to her father again.
a. tree
2021-06-09 04:19:26 +0000 UTCI think Eren at this point in the story is a lot more self aware of his own path. He doesn't seem like he views himself as a hero of freedom as much as a person with more power, and agency within the world than others. As far as satisfaction though, I kind of get the sense that he gave up on the idea of living happily with his hopeless question at the end of season 3. That's kind of why I've always really liked him as a character. He's just so damn tragic.
Nicholas Bell
2021-06-09 04:17:05 +0000 UTCThe age old question of whether a male can be the female titan
Amit
2021-06-09 04:15:20 +0000 UTCCrazy to see the Female Titan in action again, if only briefly. On that topic, I really like Annie in this episode. Especially the bit where she warns Reiner that if they go through with his plan, a lot of his friends are going to die. He denies that the other cadets are his friends, but that's all it is-a denial. And I think she despises Reiner for deluding himself. I think she just despises lies and deception in general. I think that fits nicely with her manic, but strangely sort of relieved laughter when her secret is revealed at the end of S1.
Thai M
2021-06-09 04:06:22 +0000 UTCHappy birthday! I hope you had a wonderful day :D
Alex G
2021-06-09 04:02:27 +0000 UTCHaha apologies for the extra comment I'll keep it brief but after finishing the reaction, I really appreciate how even though it's a Reiner episode, it tells us not just a lot about him, but the others in the group as well. Like for Marcel, it's so sad to think about his final moments: the only reason Reiner was in that field at that moment was because Marcel manipulated the officials into choosing him over Porco. So if Ymir had grabbed Reiner in that moment, Marcel would have pretty much indirectly murdered Reiner in order to save his own brother — or at least that's how he'd view it, that Reiner's death was not only his fault but his *choice*. And that's not something he'd be able to live with. So, he dies in Reiner's place. Porco doesn't yet know it because he hasn't seen those specific memories, but all that is resting on his shoulders with the inheritance of Jaw. For Annie, even though this was a Reiner-heavy episode and they actually cut out a fair amount of Annie content in order to fit this into just one episode plus get to the hobo Eren reveal, we learn that she had pretty much never subscribed to the whole Marley values thing from the beginning, and her only motivation was to get home to her father. It sort of makes the meaning of her actions different, but in a weird way, because she goes to SUCH great lengths for a cause she doesn't even fully believe in. It's a different tunnel vision than Reiner, but it seems like she still has extreme tunnel vision to be able to kill ALL of those people to get home when she knows it's wrong and doesn't even want to be there. At the same time, from what we've seen the large brunt of the mission was on her shoulders — she was sneaking around the capital, she did most of the (literal) leg work running to the walls and then running around the 57th expedition fighting Scouts, she even was the one charged with the snap decision of whether to fight Ymir and save Marcel or to chase after Reiner, since Reiner ran away screaming through a dangerous field but Bertholdt's Titan wasn't an option in that situation. And yet after all that Reiner put on her shoulders, in the end she's the one who gets ditched on the island with nobody coming back for her. And you can tell how much she completely hates Reiner for the fact that they have had multiple outs and opportunities to go home, but he keeps forcing their hand to continue the mission. I just feel bad for her.
a. tree
2021-06-09 03:59:25 +0000 UTCI think this is where Reiner's split personality started. Especially with Proco saying that in Ymir's memories Reiner tried to act reliable, like his brother, and after Mercel got eaten Reiner decides that because he caused their leader's death that he would become Marcel and be the person everyone could rely on. Which also adds to what you were saying about how Annie and Bertholdt needed someone to trust in or be able to follow to continue on with their mission. Which makes it even sadder that it wasn't just Annie and Bertholdt but the cadets as well that saw him as a big brother they could all trust in. Also I never realized until this episode how much Eren and Reiner parallel each other, especially with their desperation to prove themselves and "save the world". It's also sad to think they busted Wall Rose to get the Founding Titan to show themselves, when the Founding Titan was literally in their cadet group the entire time :(. Also today is my bday and I was really glad I got to end it with your video!! I really appreciate that put out videos even while travelling!!
meg
2021-06-09 03:57:44 +0000 UTCI've definitely been anticipating this episode since the infamous "Shoulder Pat" moment. Reiner is definitely one of the most complex characters. There's an ultimate sense of turmoil inside, probably a mixture of guilt and shame. It's pretty hard to watch him nearly ending his own life, but luckily Falco unknowingly saved him. The three warriors have all done terrible, unforgiveable things... but it's hard not to feel sorry a bit for all they've been through
Aura Y
2021-06-09 03:56:56 +0000 UTClike eren's speech, some of the characters in this show have sentiments or philosophies that are very bleak. Im not the most observant of these kinds of things but in this case I feel less that the author is trying to support these sentiments and more that he's using them to create interesting characters in an anti-war story.
Keegan Brakhage
2021-06-09 03:53:00 +0000 UTCLove the difference from Season 1- GIANT HUMAN EATING MONSTERS, COOL SPIDER-MAN SWINGING SOLDERS. To now Season 4- this beautiful look at the charecter sand how they have changed and the absolute destruction of the good guys and bad guys angle. Freaking brilliant
hays collins
2021-06-09 03:51:28 +0000 UTCLove watching your head tilt as you slowly caught on if that was Eren or not hahaha.
hays collins
2021-06-09 03:50:56 +0000 UTCerin was the injured soldier in the last episode; the one falco helped stand up after the other guy was tormenting them. there's a lot of nuance in this episode. Erin and reiner are shown as parallels. I think erins speech at the end is talking about the difference between the two of them. riener didn't have a choice, erin made his.
Jack Cas
2021-06-09 03:48:40 +0000 UTCI relate Eren's speech in this episode a lot to what happened at the end of Season 3 when he got his father's memories, and to what Erwin always said: Will the truth bring hope or despair? What did they really find in the basement? People like Eren, Reiner, Erwin, Armin, etc. all faced a certain kind of hell in pushing their own backs and fighting against the grain or against an unwinnable situation. This is obviously unlike the ignorant masses/complacent royal family of the walls who wanted to keep the false peace. But as Eren says: its also unlike those who have been pushed into hell by something outside of their control (like those displaced by the titan attacks, or the Eldians forced to fight in Marleyan wars). People who actively choose to put themselves through hellish endeavors (like the scouts and Reiner) do so because they see something bigger beyond that hell (liberation from the titans for the scouts, or freedom from his blood as an Eldian for Reiner). Like Kenny said, everyone had to be drunk on something to keep going. But what did that faith and putting themselves through hell earn them in the end? Was it hope (the ocean, freedom, liberation)? Or was it just an even bigger hell awaiting them (Marley, oppression, and more tragedy)? On either side, this could be read as a warning against blind faith or idealism. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and it was certainly that way for Reiner, who did terrible things out of his desire to "save" humanity, pushing himself and Annie and Bertolt forward when they couldn't themselves. You could even argue a similar case for Erwin, who to some people inside the walls, became a "villain" for the decisions he made which sacrificed his countrymen and went against the masses' desire to hide behind the walls. Just as Annie detested Reiner for his choices but still relied on him to make them, Levi also often disliked Erwin's gambles but still relied on his decision-making regardless; Levi even acknowledges this after Erwin's death by stating that he and the rest of the scouts forced Erwin into that role. It was too difficult for the former person to make such a tough call, so like you were saying in the video, they just let the latter person with more conviction call the shots. As Armin would say, people like Reiner and Erwin "abandoned their humanity" to create progress so others wouldn't have to. But for both characters, the truth behind their idealism hurts: Reiner discovers that the truth was that the people of the island weren't actually devils, and Erwin's truth in the basement ends up being that to truly be free of the titans, they would have to make all of humanity their enemy. It begs the question, was it all really worth it? What did their efforts earn them? Were people like Annie, Bertolt, the military police and the royal family right for wanting to give up instead of fight? If that had happened, maybe all this tragedy would have been avoided in the first place, but then again, perhaps a different tragedy would've occurred. Are we no better than the enemy, if the only way to beat them is to stoop to their level? Is survival really all that matters? It's all a matter of perspective. (And as a side note, I'm interested to see your reaction to how Eren's ideology manifests more concretely this season, as Eren both mirrors Reiner and parallels Erwin in his own development. Remember that Armin once said he believes that Eren is someone who can abandon his humanity too).
Jordan Runner
2021-06-09 03:48:16 +0000 UTCeren lookin old and stuff
Amit
2021-06-09 03:47:27 +0000 UTCI knew he has too much to live for still
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:43:18 +0000 UTCHaha I guess my predominant feeling after this episode is feeling like what he did is unforgivable but still wanting him to live and do some good with the rest of his life.
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:42:55 +0000 UTCIKR the perspectives in this show are amazing. It makes you wanna rewatch every time a new one is introduced.
hays collins
2021-06-09 03:41:41 +0000 UTCThere's a sound at the window, she's stomping Reiner
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:41:38 +0000 UTCAlso, without Marcel she forced herself a lot so she ended up passing out because she was so exhausted (correct me if I'm wrong)
Carlos Salazar
2021-06-09 03:32:06 +0000 UTCFun fact. In the manga Riener never knocked out Annie. After their tussle, Annie transformed then carried them to the walls, and she used her scream to call pure titan to the wall, so that when Bert kicked it in, the titans can go in. I guess they just shortened it for time. As you probably could tell, there were some parts that went by a little fast
R'Mani Leavell
2021-06-09 03:28:01 +0000 UTCWatching at this episode Me: almost dying seeing Reiner trying to blow his head and almost screaming at the last scene Alex: oh, look, Reiner wants to kills himself, cool. That's Eren? Nice for him Hahahaha, that was... Interesting. And no, the newspaper guy wasn't Eren... But if Eren is in Marley... Maybe he brought some friends, right?
Carlos Salazar
2021-06-09 03:26:32 +0000 UTC"Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie, and some titan food" omg you did not 🤣🤣🤣
KJ Gaona
2021-06-09 03:26:28 +0000 UTCThere you go you get your other side of Reiner you’ve been begging for since season 2 haha. How does it feel. Change your views of him at all
hays collins
2021-06-09 03:25:39 +0000 UTCAnnie, are you okay?
MooTuu
2021-06-09 03:22:49 +0000 UTCThank you!
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:18:27 +0000 UTC"You don't have to save the world to be of value. You don't have to do great things to be great. It's better to live your life purely and without delusion." Or as Carla said "You're special because you're born into this world"
FiioArt
2021-06-09 03:18:16 +0000 UTCI agree, the feeling is totally different for me about the first wall attack and the second, and the most gut-wrenching moment for me I think is Marco, and I think part of that is the KNOWLEDGE they have about what they're doing and how terrible it is and the fact that they coldly decide to do it anyway.
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:16:46 +0000 UTCThe Falco-Eren connection started in episode two when it showed the Eldians coming back from battle injured and shell-shocked. That Marleyan soldier yelled “bang,” and they all dropped to ground in fear. Eren was blending in with that group, and Falco helped him up.
Tope
2021-06-09 03:15:47 +0000 UTCI'm not done yet but I SO agree with your comment about part of evil being the knowledge of and understanding of the pain/harm you're causing. For me, the real evil is not the act of charging the walls, as they literally were unable to even think of those within the walls as people (again, they're not even supposed to call the Paradis people 'people,' they're 'devils' in order to dehumanize them as much as possible). The real act of evil for me is, after spending time with those within the walls and forming bonds, continuing to go down this path. Like when Bertholdt attacked the Trost wall while the cadets were there, and when they killed Marco. At this point they had full knowledge and understanding, but continued down this path. And yes, there are their reasons for that like this is the only way they will be able to go back to their families, this could potentially save the world, allegedly, but that's still something they have to grapple with and justify.
a. tree
2021-06-09 03:15:42 +0000 UTCYeah it's not a whole lot of truly mind-blowing information IMHO in terms of events of the story, but the perspective is great
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:06:56 +0000 UTCThey'll be back soon
Alex G
2021-06-09 03:06:27 +0000 UTCThis is one of my favorite episodes i like the prospective it gives on the warriors and what they go through
skywewe
2021-06-09 03:04:46 +0000 UTCI already miss Melon lord and Cabbage guy
i_am_jam
2021-06-09 03:03:50 +0000 UTCI like that this episode is called the doorway of hope. The warrior candidates (Gabi and Falco primarily) really are a tether for Reiner right now. Almost like a way out of the darkness, if he focuses on nurturing them.
Nick
2021-06-09 03:00:02 +0000 UTC
