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Mal Fuego feat. Mike Rothschild (E308)

LA is going through one of the most destructive natural disasters in its history. So naturally there is a lot of nonsense online about the secret purpose of the blazes. To discuss, we talk to journalist and climate refugee Mike Rothschild. The author of Jewish Space Lasers is one of many people who lost their homes to the Eaton fire. We chat about what it’s like to evacuate in order to escape a fast-spreading fire, climate change, and some of the more popular ways that online conspiracists are speculating about the causes of the conflagration.

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Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com)

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Mike Rothschild

https://themikerothschild.com/

Jewish Space Lasers: The Rothschild and 200 Years of Conspiracy Theories

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/733925/jewish-space-lasers-by-mike-rothschild/


The Storm Is Upon Us: How QAnon Became A Movement, Cult, and Conspiracy of Everything

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/676746/the-storm-is-upon-us-by-mike-rothschild/


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Sources

How Did the Los Angeles Wildfires Get So Out of Control

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-did-the-los-angeles-fires-get-so-out-of-control

Southern California’s ‘rainy’ season is lacking one major thing

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/extremely-dry-rain-season-reaching-record-levels-in-southern-california/

Hydroclimate volatility on a warming Earth

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-024-00624-z

What We Know About What Led to the L.A. Wildfires

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/01/what-we-know-about-what-led-to-the-l-a-wildfires/

This Is Where the Palisades Fire Started 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/13/us/palisades-fire-cause-ignition-point-site.html

Trump makes misguided accusations about California water management amid wildfires

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-makes-misguided-accusations-california-water-management-wildfire-rcna187219


Mal Fuego feat. Mike Rothschild (E308) Mal Fuego feat. Mike Rothschild (E308)

Comments

Vil Raga

I'm a Sentient Lichen - and so can YOU!!

When I destroy evidence, I make sure to not actually destroy it 👍

Sei B

Another point is that delusions are also not necessary for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. A person can meet the criteria and not believe anything delusional.

I'm a Sentient Lichen - and so can YOU!!

Cf. Many people who do not meet criteria for any MH diagnosis believe in an invisible sky daddy who is in charge of everything that happens but we also have free will.

I'm a Sentient Lichen - and so can YOU!!

Respectfully, I disagree. I am a licensed mental health counselor, and delusions are not sufficient to diagnose schizophrenia. There have to be additional symptoms, such as hallucinations, flat affect, disorganized behavior/thinking, it is unethical for a mh professional, such as myself, to diagnose people we have never met, so I doubt anyone on the podcast could be more accurate. Using "schizophrenic" as a way to criticize someone's statements harms people through reinforcing ableist and sanity narratives, as well as obfuscates the fact that people with no diagnosable MH issues are prone to delusional beliefs. Thinking one is above falling prey to these cognitive errors is how we got here with RFK in charge of the DHHS.

I'm a Sentient Lichen - and so can YOU!!

Many people who believe conspiracies could probably be clinically diagnosed. Most people just don’t seek help for their delusions. Especially men and especially since the introduction of social media, terminal online-ness, and insane right wing lunatics spewing this rhetoric that is readily absorbed. I don’t assume they’re using schizophrenic as a dig at the illness but as a way to describe the delusions and breaks from reality that are clearly evident in people’s ideology.

Mel Black

OK, "(Re)Birth of a Nation" had me wheezing

Laura

I frequently pronounce cities in California with a Spanish accent .....😞

Vanessa Lucio

Mel Gibson needs to retire from life. Just live and keep to himself in a fucking hole.

Kameron Jackson

"He who Smelt it, dealt it.. Many people are saying this." 👐

Schwartz666

Liv Agar

brooke

Hope you have a great day bud

Patrick Hill

Episode 111 brought me here and I've never left... Was a dollop fanboy for a few years

Patrick Hill

On a serious note, glad you're all safe. I'm so sorry for your losses Mike. I've experienced similar losses but never to fire, I can't begin to imagine. My heart goes out to all the people in Cali right now <3

Agnes in Wonderland

Quayate Hake! Ke saves tu de ALTA deena ee los mejecanos.

Agnes in Wonderland

It was so nice to hear you boys laugh, especially Mike!! You guys made my day a little brighter. Every episode truly reminds me that I am not alone in this cold dark husk of a world (and getting colder and darker)! Love you guys

Dingo and J you were right all along

If I hadn't listened to the episode again, god knows how long I would've wandered this earth claiming to others that people in California totes have ear health problems where they're dry one day and wet the next and plz don't leave but they're connected to the fires somehow I'm not crazy! All from mishearing Travis say "wet years n dry years" lol

Overzealous Euthanasiast

I am so thankful you are all safe. I live in Florida an area impacted by Helene and Milton and when I was hearing of all conspiracy online it really frustrated me. I luckily did not have damage other than my fence but know people who are still dealing with the two storms. These people rush to social media to spread lies.

Kt

Can we not with the speculation about someone being labeled with schizophrenia? It obfuscates the effects that conspiracy theories have on people's belief systems, and perpetuates harmful narratives about Madness. We need to focus on the fact that the majority of conspiracy theorists are non-Mad people, and in fact conspiracies play into cognitive biases we all are susceptible to.

ROU Sentient Lichen

hmmm this talk of evacuating in a hurry from your home is sounding a lil bit antisemitic friends, SOUNDING PRETTY KKKKKHAMAS

SM21

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Jordan Clementi

Just woke up my bf cackling at “okayyyy someone hasn’t heard of the Jewish Space Winds”

Michelle HarpiNope

Having intrusive thoughts about Áltàdẽnå

M J

Surprisingly, given the circumstances, this episode was a joyous listen. Bravo, boys. Jake, Julien, Travis and Mike is a classic and delicious combo.

Phil Birkett

Sense of home and belonging is so messed up for so many people. Destroyed home, sense of safety, personal belongings, neighbourhood, neighbours...

hhhhhm

Jake Rockatansky

conan

okay, "juegos olimpicooooos" just made me guffaw super loud in a doctor's waiting room and I DO NOT appreciate that 😂 (liv agar)

steaknap

Choosing to believe Julian is doing an experiment to see how many times he'll keep doing it

David

“Travis is becoming a discordian” 😭😭😭 heart goes out to Mike on his family’s loss 💔

Joshua P. Kelly

Jake tells the same pointless trash can story in two consecutive episodes and not a word from Julian. Wtf is going on around here? Also…LIV AGAR

Daniel

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Westbrook Evans

I listened to this episode driving home early from work to get pets and house ready in case of evacuation from the Hughes fire in Castaic. I’m safe for now but it’s right upwind from me. Stay safe out there everyone!

Christine Ramsey

Also, I hate the social media gatekeeping. But maybe I will make a throw away account just to send the info. 😑

Justine Riekena

Hey Shivvy, I thought you might reply b/c you re very attentive here. :) He's actually a Twitch streamer who does a lot of speed running but on Wednesdays he does psychology talk (mostly about the topics I mentioned above). I've also seen him interviewed by other science communication streamers. Super knowledgeable, sometimes maybe talks beyond most viewers' comprehension level, but I find myself nerding out entirely. His Google scholar page has a solid listing of his papers if you are interested: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zG9hvtUAAAAJ&hl=en

Justine Riekena

Yeah, that's good advice. Also, if there are wild fire or flood/storm warnings in the area it's a good thing that someone stays awake on watch while others in the house sleep. Assuming one dosen't live alone!

bigphoton

A really good recommendation I saw last week was: Don't pack random clothes from your wardrobe, grab clothes that are about to be washed or were just washed. That way you can be sure you like them, they still fit, and they are appropriate for the current weather.

lady8jane

Agar

Jack Gude

Liv

Jack Gude

Jake is pretty close with his recollection of Grover Cleveland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Cleveland

Daniel Ammons

Thank you!

Gilmartin Fitzpatrick

Episode 111: California Mole Children feat. Dave Anthony

Benjamin B

Maui resident here. I’m so sorry and sad for everything your community is about to endure. We’re with you. We’re still in it.

Sarah Biggs

Anyone remember which episode went more in depth on the Getty "tunnels"? Would love to re-listen

Gilmartin Fitzpatrick

Var Liga forever!

bigphoton

You might be onto something with the hair thing, Jake. Maybe something about the cooking of the brain provides extra nutrients to the hair of conspiracists

Athena Chalcioecus

Liv Agar

Evan

What's bad for the country is good for the podcast. That infamous photo of musk looking at the sky surrounded by his cronies was chilling

Ruth Kiszka

The different theories I am seeing: THEORY 1: Incompetence of not raking the floor and trimming brushes, like that would help with 100mph winds, but seems to be the normie fox news take. Dems bad at fire maintenance. THEORY 2: agent provocateurs sent into the hills to start fires with blow torches so California deep state can buy the land for cheap. Theory 3: Directed energy weapons that don't effect blue roofs.

Cardassian Vexillology

Rebirth Of A Nation jfw XD

Matt

Mike 🙏🏻

Stavros

My uncle had to evac the CO fires and stressed #2 in my family (many in LA) group chat.

Shivvy

He’s @travisview but yes you have to be logged in. what’s the name of the author?

Shivvy

Looks like there’s an email link on the website (QAA website is linked in the episode description) and it appears they have a discord as well. Best possible options. Good luck.

Levi Kacher

Best to Mike and his family 😿

Shivvy

This probably isn't the best place to ask this question, but I'm not sure where else to ask. Someone here must know the answer though. I found a guy w/a PhD in cognitive psychology (?) who has published a slew of papers about pseudoscientific thinking, conspiracies, superstitions and their connections to xenophobic inclinations as well as some of the reasons for this type of thinking from the angle of social cognition. I tried to find Travis on BlueSky, but I couldn't (maybe b/c I don't have an account?) Anyway, if anyone knows how to get some info. to him (or any of them, the general email seems useless), I would appreciate it.

Justine Riekena

Liv Agar

Bananas Foster

Take lots of pictures when you get there mike. My brothers place burned down in 06 and it was devastation. Best of luck

Garth Hansen

I highly suggest ‘Episode 356 - The Resnicks: Water Monsters’ from The Dollop! They re-released it last week.

Heather B

I've had to evacuate three times because of wildfires. The biggest lessons I've learned are: 1. I keep my car fueled up. 2. Evacuate BEFORE it becomes mandatory. Bugout before everyone else because: A. The roads become gridlocked fast. B. Hotel rooms fill up fast, so you endup sleeping in your car. 3. If I can't evacuate early, I shelter in place, or find a place to shelter close to home. Example= I've found several large parking lots close by my city home to shelter in during a wild fire AS A LAST RESORT.

bigphoton

Mike! Love ur books!

RJ

Liv agar

Alex Anderson

Welcome back Mike; sorry about your house hombre. I hope things turn around quickly for you.

Gabe

Mike!

Brendan Luster

Liv Agar

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