Aphrodite's Mirror (Chapter 17 Part 3)
Added 2023-04-08 03:49:07 +0000 UTCI'm loving reading theories from all of you guys! There are one or two details that no one seems to have noticed, though! :)
Working on "Journey" now!
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Who knows! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:58:57 +0000 UTCThat's a good point! Could be true! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:58:40 +0000 UTCInteresting, my friend! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:57:49 +0000 UTCGlad you think so! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:56:46 +0000 UTCThat's okay, Maggie! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:56:37 +0000 UTCLOL now that would be a plot twist! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:56:25 +0000 UTCHmm...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:56:10 +0000 UTCWho knows... ;-P
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:56:00 +0000 UTChehe that would be funny! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:55:49 +0000 UTCYes, I wonder if there was another Elena before...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:55:25 +0000 UTCWow very interesting my friend! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:54:43 +0000 UTCOut of blue indeed, it seems...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:52:25 +0000 UTCCould be a good point! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:51:52 +0000 UTCDon't worry, we'll learn more about the last few weeks (months?) soon! :-D
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:51:36 +0000 UTCA lot of good questions... about the original Elena, we don't know if she even existed. :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:50:46 +0000 UTCYeah... there's the ID too...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:49:51 +0000 UTCThat's a point, my friend...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:49:18 +0000 UTCYeah, Seferi is very important for the plot! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:48:12 +0000 UTCAhhh what an intriguing thought! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:47:38 +0000 UTCThanks for the kind words, Alison! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:46:03 +0000 UTC;-P
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:45:35 +0000 UTCHey, Kara! I'll make an updated PDF file soon!
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:45:10 +0000 UTCInteresting! :-D
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:44:35 +0000 UTCA good question, too! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:44:27 +0000 UTCSounds fun! i'll see what I can do!
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:42:57 +0000 UTCA good theory, my friend! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:42:40 +0000 UTCWe'll see...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:42:07 +0000 UTCAh you mentioned a lot of important topics! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:41:32 +0000 UTCAh yeah, it seems no one remember Filip...
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:40:12 +0000 UTCI know, right? :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:39:44 +0000 UTCThank you so much, Kathleen! :-D
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:39:29 +0000 UTCA lot of good question, Alison! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-19 05:39:06 +0000 UTCI think marina is mad on him and is just playing her role. I would guess he had an affair from the wake up scene after the car accident.
Julia Leberwurst
2023-04-15 15:43:04 +0000 UTCBtw I love seeing my favorite creators fangirling over each other’s works!
DJ
2023-04-12 14:52:51 +0000 UTCAlso the fact the room was darkened for some reason, it's just so coincidental that such a person would meet in the ladies rest room at the precise time Andrew enters it, it's also suspicious that a drug taken by Andrew provided by this woman would have the affect of him not remembering much about getting back that night and sleeping in Nikos bed, why didn't they take him to Marina's room? Possibly because she was elsewhere removing the disguise, it just surprises me the actions so early on that are suspicious activity by all around him, especially his wife, why abandon him so easily giving the impression it's all Andrew's fault, again waking up to loud voices dressed in such feminine attire, if the sisters helped Andrew to bed, why not remove all remnants of the female disguise, I feel the played out annoyance by Marina was an act, I still suspect Marina of dubious activities regards her husband....
Alison St John
2023-04-12 06:22:52 +0000 UTCAlison - your hypothesis is persuading me more and more. Well-observed! I was stuck in the mindset that Joanna's significance was rich Greek Socialite/drug user/plastic surgery fan/future mentor to help Andrew up his Elena game. But the large sunglasses and facial bandages do fit nicely for a disguise and persona so over-the-top and brazen that Andrew could fail to recognize his own wife. And the visual exceptions are fairly weak - could be false nails, with freckles invisible in low light or covered with makeup. Not sure about changing appearance of hands temporarily, but not very distinctive evidence on its own.
BC123
2023-04-12 05:05:28 +0000 UTCAccording to my theory. Joanna was sent by Seferi there because he knew that Mr Toska was there for business. If the deal would have run aground there would have not been chance for the revenge plan. So that's why Joanna offers the pill to make Elena more comfortable and after that the precontract has been signed also thanks to the determining contribute of Elena
burninsun1
2023-04-12 03:52:26 +0000 UTCI like your theory ❣️
MaggieHeels
2023-04-11 21:01:39 +0000 UTCI guess, Andrew wouldn’t even remember that he pnce was a man if it wasn’t for Seferi. Somehow he talked him out of his stupor. He isn’t out completely, as we see in his mannerism and thought patterns (I‘d never have thought „Gosh I need to cover myself“ and „oh… I‘m not decent“, after finding myself transformed to such an extend one morning, there is also his liking for stockings and obvious lack of will power - he simply goes further along). Well, who is for what responsible and which agenda is behind it will eventually be revealed. I‘m curious and hope, its going to be a long and sexy struggle with an happy end 😏
Asmodeean
2023-04-11 20:21:43 +0000 UTCA bit of evidence for Marina helping- she stammers out that she did go to Crete to get help with the "situation" could be a lie, but my guess is no. Perhaps the guy who propositioned her in Crete is the new husband who is actually helping her?
stevedore
2023-04-11 17:56:41 +0000 UTCThe whole aspect where Andrew is now having difficulty with English and has serious memory andvcognitive issues is still very unexplained, as well as his seeming acceptance of attention from Nikos.
stevedore
2023-04-11 16:13:53 +0000 UTCMore speculation: Marina's attitude changes drastically after she goes to the bar in Crete. Prior she seemed genuinely pissed at Andrew, but aftercshevis more in one with the program. Is it possible that Marina originally thought this was just Andrew making a dumb decision, but someone on Crete informed her of the actual evil plan whatever that is, and is now going undercover to save Andrew? And she doesn't tell him because that would blow her cover - given theclengthsvshe is going here,fallowing the surgery in Andrew and having an apparently new husband, this wiuldvhebe to be a very serious plot someone is hatching. I dint have great faith in this one, but there is some evidence for it.
stevedore
2023-04-11 16:11:13 +0000 UTCI love the way characters mean so much to those that enjoy their roles in a story, in a way you're cheering them on and wishing the best for them, a sign of wonderful story development
Alison St John
2023-04-10 23:43:21 +0000 UTCI so hope Marina will acknowledge a little bit of Andrew like "you trained your accent pretty well". If Marina didn't know and is a victim to some degree too it would make it all so more devilish :D
Myra
2023-04-10 23:29:34 +0000 UTCI think it's an important part to Andrew's mindset going forward, everything Elena is seeing is making more sense that she's mistaken in believing she's Andrew
Alison St John
2023-04-10 23:19:12 +0000 UTCDo you think Marina she will say something different from: "You have always been my Aunt how could you be my husband. James is my husband!" Anyway imagine Melissa that will read all our comments this time😁🤞
burninsun1
2023-04-10 23:16:39 +0000 UTCI do feel the proposed girl talk between Elena and Marina will have huge significance to how Elena thinks going forward, I do think she's finally questioning what she believed to be true 🤔
Alison St John
2023-04-10 22:59:21 +0000 UTCElena is so beautiful 🤩
Marion458
2023-04-10 22:43:51 +0000 UTCI do wonder though if Andrew who now even slowly thinks he might really be Elena, will get accustomed to the new body. Just before walking down the stairs 2 chapters earlier he thought how wrong his body feels. What will "Elena" now think if the gasligthing is successful?
Myra
2023-04-10 22:42:14 +0000 UTCCheers :)
Myra
2023-04-10 22:35:41 +0000 UTCSorry for the spam btw i'm drunk :}
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 22:27:11 +0000 UTCWhat if Eva didn't born as Eva ??? Maybe he was born as Evan?
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 22:23:40 +0000 UTCWhy Stefanos and Eva knows each other for a long time and his mother didn't know about it ????????
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 22:21:34 +0000 UTCWho was that guy on a street saying "Hello, ladies. / you look great, ma-am!" ?
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 22:18:32 +0000 UTCCould explain why she knows that the surgeons in Athens are the best.
Myra
2023-04-10 22:07:32 +0000 UTCI think only the family is the responsible and that Seferi and Joel are unaware of the surgeries Elena underwent. They probably believe at the accident story
burninsun1
2023-04-10 22:06:01 +0000 UTCWhat if Joanna is the previous victim of Samaras M2F secret transformation gang?
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 22:04:00 +0000 UTCDo you think Seferi and Joel were responsible for Andrews last operation or was it the family?
Myra
2023-04-10 22:03:25 +0000 UTC100% agree Myra, it's wonderful to see ❤️
Alison St John
2023-04-10 21:59:05 +0000 UTCDiscussing and theorizing with each other is half the fun :D
Myra
2023-04-10 21:56:05 +0000 UTCThis story is so weird at the very beginning........................ why nobody noticed that nobody was interested in the very beginning where is real Elena??? Why Nikos asked a total stranger if he would disguise himself as his wife without bringing up in the conversation where is or what happened with original Elena? And why one of the daughters at beauty salon says "[...]we're really looking forward to FINALLY having a mom[...]" that is usually what orphans saying while being adopted... not somebody who was raised by both parents right? ergo => ELENA NEVER EXISTED... there is no such person like original Elena...
MaggieHeels
2023-04-10 21:53:33 +0000 UTCAbsolutely, I love that we all have our own thoughts on what's happening and will continue to debate what's happening, really enjoy your interaction 🙏💕
Alison St John
2023-04-10 21:28:01 +0000 UTCAbsolutely! And we all waiting for the next part!!😁
burninsun1
2023-04-10 21:26:39 +0000 UTCYes I agree with you that nothing is like is seems but I think that in this case Melissa would have not created some panels showing Marina in Creta being chased by a weird man if the whole story was just fake. Thank you for your comments I like that many people are trying to build theories and that we can discuss them ❤️
burninsun1
2023-04-10 21:25:31 +0000 UTCI think we can all agree, this story has us all hooked 😊
Alison St John
2023-04-10 21:22:12 +0000 UTCThank you❤️ If you discover something while re-reading let us know🤗
burninsun1
2023-04-10 21:20:44 +0000 UTCBrilliant, gives me perspective whilst I continue to re-read the story, loved this by the way 🙏❤️
Alison St John
2023-04-10 21:11:38 +0000 UTCWe take it that Marina was in Crete, things are never what they seem, again this is just dissecting the story as I read through it, again thanks for your response 🙏
Alison St John
2023-04-10 21:08:39 +0000 UTCI don't think Marina and Joanna are the same person because Joanna appeared at the top of a staircase when Marina supposed to be in Creta. I agree with Myra that the woman who served the tea is very similar to Joanna.
burninsun1
2023-04-10 21:06:08 +0000 UTCYes that Elena is 4 inch shorter it's has been said by herself after the post-surgery awakening
burninsun1
2023-04-10 21:01:35 +0000 UTCI state that in 1-2 months I have read the whole story 3-4 times. I'm crazy about Aphrodite's Mirror! I think I can say something new about Seferi's accomplice, i.e. the person he often talks to on the phone. It is certainly a person outside the Samaras family because Seferi tells his interlocutor that Elena is the person to use for their goal. It is as if for Seferi and his accomplice, Elena is the chosen one among the members of the family after having studied it carefully but externally. So I would exclude Nikos, Marina, Eva and Sofia. The accomplice must be someone who has a desire for revenge against Mr Toska. And there is one person who holds a grudge for the way he is consistently treated. This character has appeared a few times, but he must definitely have his role, I'm talking about JOEL KOCI! I'll give you 2 more clues. In Seferi's last call he expressly states that his accomplice is present at the Samaras party and he calls him to action. In the image where you see the guests of the party, when Niko and Elena are about to go downstairs, you can see that Joel is actually present. Another clue: how could Seferi call Elena on the new cell phone number provided by Eva and Sofia and which Marina didn't even have? There were only 3 numbers in the phone book of 3 people: Nikos, Mr Toska and Joel! Hence it is likely that only the 3 of them had Elena's number as well, besides Eva and Sofia and consequently only Joel could have passed the number to Seferi. I mentioned some time ago that Seferi's accomplice might be Joanna, his transgender wife who was the former man Seferi had an affair with which caused him and his family trouble because of Mr Toska. I am not abandoning this theory also because Joanna says that she is married to a businessman and in this story there are only 3 of them: Nikos Samaras, Toska and Seferi. I exclude the first 2 for obvious reasons. At this point I can say that maybe Seferi has not 1 but 2 accomplices: Seferi and "his wife" Joanna! What do you all think about it?
burninsun1
2023-04-10 20:38:53 +0000 UTCI‘m trying to nitpic 😉 When he first received the ring (picture 69), he wears the wedding ring on his left hand. In the bathroom, right after getting the ring a second time (587-589), he doesn’t wear the wedding ring on the left hand and wears a different ring on the right. Later, (604) he wears the right ring, but it seems to be way too big… So, yes the rings do need some sorting out 😋
Asmodeean
2023-04-10 12:18:24 +0000 UTCBased on the post of two details that we have missed it’s either something obvious we are overlooking, or something subtle that is easy to miss, I’ve also started re reading everything and looking at the pictures
rafael teran
2023-04-10 10:47:59 +0000 UTCAs I've stated Myra I'm dissecting the story as I'm reading it, my thoughts may well change as I go through it ☺️
Alison St John
2023-04-10 09:26:59 +0000 UTCEarly on I too thought it might have been Marina who drugged Andrew the first time but seeing her pov in crete and how she is reminiscing about the whole situation makes me doubt it. Why would she be so affected by not having a husband anymore when her plan all along was for Andrew to be a "sacrificed" and become Elena?
Myra
2023-04-10 09:20:05 +0000 UTCI do love debating about this story so much BC123, the wonderful thing is it has us all intrigued ☺️
Alison St John
2023-04-10 07:44:43 +0000 UTCThat maybe true but why couldn't the changes made to Andrew not also be done on Marina by the sisters?
Alison St John
2023-04-10 07:00:58 +0000 UTCPerhaps you are correct in your ID, but I'm skeptical that Joanna=Marina. Very similar overall build and nail color, but a few small differences that could be important. Joanna's nails are longer, and her hands have more wrinkles, making them look older than Marina's. Marina also shows extensive light freckling on her upper chest and shoulders that are not apparent on Joanna. Might Joanna be an older relative of Marina's, such as her mother?
BC123
2023-04-10 06:36:22 +0000 UTCWhen the discussion turns to Andrew posing as a wife and mother, another chance to ask about her by the way, for such an important meeting, why hasn't he come up with a plan months in advance to find a woman who would pose as his wife, especially when he was paying handsomely for it, also the mention of the beauty/health spa being exclusive.
Alison St John
2023-04-09 09:00:40 +0000 UTCThe other thing that is really obvious in the first few pages is the height difference between Andrew and Marina, quite significantly so...
Alison St John
2023-04-09 08:46:04 +0000 UTCOK, just about to start reading the story from the start, even the first few pages make me think a little differently, Melissa makes a point of stressing what they believe to be the best wedding gift ever, Andrew also comments on how it's too good to be believed, I wonder how long it's been seen Marina has seen her uncle, if for a very long time, it must've been a bolt out of the blue to receive such a gift....
Alison St John
2023-04-09 08:42:47 +0000 UTCMarina asking herself at one point, "do I still have a husband? should I think about myself as married?" indicates to me that even if she is involved, she does not see the whole picture
mdaily
2023-04-09 04:14:07 +0000 UTCYUP... I saw that number as well... sooo we're now halfway to the top of the mountain :)
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 21:45:55 +0000 UTCI've never worn a wedding ring (married for 56 years!) because I don't like wearing rings - partly because they are dangerous when working with electricity as I have. My wife hasn't worn hers for some years, either but just her engagement ring. We are still very happily married btw :)
Robyn Hoode
2023-04-08 21:39:29 +0000 UTCI think it was AT LEAST 30 episodes. Most likely more 🤤
Myra
2023-04-08 21:04:19 +0000 UTCDid I see Melissa mention there's probably 30 chapters to this story, so a long way to go yet ☺️
Alison St John
2023-04-08 20:57:24 +0000 UTCI hope we do get to see flashbacks of the most important parts of the story....
Alison St John
2023-04-08 20:55:38 +0000 UTCI really really hope we see somewhere down the line what happened during these lost few weeks. And perhaps Andrews first waking up after the operation still in bandages and realizing in shock and anger that they did more than just his face. Maybe it was just so traumatic for him that he pushed it away from his memories.
Myra
2023-04-08 20:49:32 +0000 UTCThis is probably a very stupid question... because I do not remember all text from over 600+ pages comic but............. what happened to original Elena??? Can somebody point me out where it is mentioned about her??? And who is that woman from ladies restroom with rhinoplasty... I believe she was the one Andrew saw in clinic saying "Y-you...!" just before they performed irreversible surgeries on him even shortening tendons... so that surgeon is also involved cause this was crippling procedure... (same drug used? pink pill?... also who Marina met when she was in bar wondering if she still has a husband?
MaggieHeels
2023-04-08 19:27:13 +0000 UTCOMG didnt even think about that one. If Andrew wants to find out the truth what is real and not, he then just needs to find Elenas parents!
Myra
2023-04-08 19:21:59 +0000 UTCExcellent points 🙏
Alison St John
2023-04-08 19:18:47 +0000 UTCAlso do we know anything about Nikos' actual wife? There's a jumble about how he hasn't been successful in relationships but he does have the two daughters and proposes to Elena which he says he should have done"28 years ago." Seferi went to prison for 22 years dye to his affair with a man. Nikos'? Finding out who Seferi is working with here will answer a lot
stevedore
2023-04-08 19:17:36 +0000 UTCAgain a good point, Marina has always used the excuse that people maybe watching and to keep in character but this pattern started early on when they were both together in their room together just before Nikos first saw Andrew as Elena, I still harp back to why would a newlywed wife abandon her husband so easily the night after the meeting Nikos took Andrew too, I think Marina really is the crux of everything in this story
Alison St John
2023-04-08 19:13:58 +0000 UTCA possibly interesting detail which hasn't come up is that Elena's ID indicates that her parents are Richard and Monika Bennet. Were the Bennets invited to the party? Or are they just future investigative leads that might help Elena unravel her identity?
BC123
2023-04-08 19:10:59 +0000 UTCMe too... ❣️
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 19:08:01 +0000 UTCAlthough Marina remains in character in her interaction with "Aunt Elena," her comments about Elena being as "classy and elegant as ever," with a promise that they can catch up with "girly talk" later, seem to have a demeaning edge. This reminds me of Marina's previous 1-on-1 teasing of Andrew as she supported his continued feminization.
BC123
2023-04-08 19:00:08 +0000 UTCThat would not explain why Elena is visibly shorter than Andrew from the beginning of this story... shorter tendons have no effect on height.
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 18:48:50 +0000 UTCIf your theory/scenario comes true Bobbie then I will feel even more sorry for Andrew. Kind of already do considering he lost his previous life and the connection to his friends and family back home and no way to prove his real identity.
Myra
2023-04-08 18:48:21 +0000 UTCWow, now that's something I'd enjoy too Bobbie 👌
Alison St John
2023-04-08 18:44:34 +0000 UTCGood points made 😊
Alison St John
2023-04-08 18:39:24 +0000 UTCI do have one idea, and I'm not even sure what it would mean, but.... Andrew is "an unknown actor" and Marina a"fledgling journalist" Not sure how the journalist part fits in, but dud Marina recruit an unknown actor specifically for all this, and he did even learn some rudimentary Greek. Was Marina aware of the rich guys extortion plot against Seferi and is using Andrew to expose that? I was kind of thinking that maybe Andrew and Marina were playing a game against everybody, but Andrew definitely seems innocent here. And ...the guy mentioned early on, Giuseppe, who dressed as a nun and claimed to have some amulet - is there a story there? We never learn Giuseppe's fate.
stevedore
2023-04-08 18:17:11 +0000 UTCPS. Thank you Melissa, I've never been more intrigued about a story ❤️
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:59:20 +0000 UTCI for one am not going to be frustrated at not being able to discover what's really happening during Aphrodite's Mirror, if anything it makes me more intrigued and wanting more, it's like watching a mystery film and only realising at the end what was actually apparent looking back, I enjoy films more when I'm surprised with the ending and haven't worked it out half way through, I've loved this transformation of Andrew into an amazingly beautiful Elena, I'm going to continue to enjoy the story ahead and continue to engage with other patrons about perceived clues to what's actually happening 😘
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:57:59 +0000 UTCThat's such an important point but how does that play into Nikos and his families desire to make Andrew become Elena, the mention of him being an actor and Marina being a budding journalist has not been revisited much either, the thing that throws everything out for me is how has Andrew's height been reduced, I can understand the other surgeries but not the height difference, although he wasn't that tall to start with, the other thing apparent is the reference to Andrew himself noticing he's speaking fluent Greek and struggling to grasp English even though Elena was supposed to have lived in America for a while, why that would be apparent considering she was supposed to be a loving wife and mother, so many points that create many more questions.....🤔
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:50:40 +0000 UTCI never said about everything to be revealed just what happened so far.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 17:43:30 +0000 UTCI feel that everything will be revealed in time with patience, I'd rather rely on Melissa's plotlines eventually coming to fruition than being told to ruin the story ahead, we're all intrigued but for me it makes me look forward to the next part of Aphrodite's Mirror, if I knew what the actual reasons are for Andrew's position in this story with so many chapters ahead, I'm not sure I'd be as enthusiastic ☺️
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:13:06 +0000 UTCLoving this response 😘
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:06:53 +0000 UTChttps://www.patreon.com/posts/78490560?utm_campaign=postshare_fan there's a pdf of the first 15 chapters KaraComet above 😊
Alison St John
2023-04-08 17:03:52 +0000 UTCGood point. I think Marina and James are partly being manipulated too. They know what's at stake for the family and are complicit in being steered to fulfil a perceived, 'respectable role' within the family set-up. What they don't know is just how ruthless the family are and what lengths they are prepared to go to to maintain the ruse created. Yes, Marina blames Andrew for inadvertently prolonging his time as Elena and resigned to the situation she even encouraged the idea he seek temporary 'beauty treatments' to feminise his face further to avoid detection. However, I genuinely don't think Marina is aware of the degree to which Andrew has been manipulated or that the family have forced his transformation far beyond any point either of them would ever consider. To her Andrew's a dumbass, he ruined their honeymoon by entangling himself in a situation where he is forced to pretend to be middle-aged woman until a business deal is closed. Yes he is standing there in a dress and heels, prosthetic breasts blossoming from his chest and make-up on a feminised face. But that serves him right, right? He did this and you reap what you sow. I think it will come as a massive shock to Marina when her 'husband' finally shows her the contents of 'his' bra and panties are now... the same as hers. That moment this husband and wife first look into each other's eyes with the full realisation BOTH of them are women.
Bobbie
2023-04-08 14:43:06 +0000 UTCNobody here can't figure out what is going on and Melissa doesn't wanna help us either with hints and clues. Let's hope she will finally have mercy on us and reveal them with next chapter.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 14:42:11 +0000 UTCOhhhh what if, the issue they had months ago was him cheating on her while being drunk? The daughters said Marina wouldn't forgive him if he breaks his word. Maybe he already did it in a sense many months ago and now Marina takes revenge. I hope not and that she is just as clueless as Andrew but there is something in their past that isn't really solved.
Myra
2023-04-08 14:40:34 +0000 UTCAnxiously waiting for more! Is there an organized collection of all of the pages somewhere, or perhaps an up-to-date PDF?
KaraComet
2023-04-08 13:33:40 +0000 UTCThey don't. Maybe reason is that Elena's tendons are shortened so she only walk in high heels without pain.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 12:52:37 +0000 UTCYes, a dressed one and a naked one. 😍🙏
Bobbie
2023-04-08 12:32:39 +0000 UTCWould love to join you Ali... ☺️ ? ❣️
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 12:21:31 +0000 UTCI don't understand the idea of shrinkage... bones do not shrink from estrogen... maybe Marina's height increased?
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 12:12:40 +0000 UTCIf you manage to find anything please do tell.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 12:07:05 +0000 UTCYeah, you're right which means they are manipulating Andrew since beginning and honeymoon was a trap. He was drugged in more than one instance and he agreed to something under influence of drug and he has no memory of it and they tell him he wanted it at first and they claim now that they never heard of Andrew which is proof of manipulation.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 12:04:30 +0000 UTCAnother interesting things is what James says. It could have been easier for him to just say: "Finally I have the chance to meet you in person Mrs Samaras" and not being involved at all. Andrew, when he arrived in Greece, met Nikos and his family for the first time after all. But James NO. He says he already met Elena! Has he been instructed to play the game too? Probably to punch at Andrew identity even more and make it fade away.
burninsun1
2023-04-08 11:46:13 +0000 UTCYes, but if you go though the story, he already lost a lot of height right after the first make over. When he first gets proposed to, he is on heels way shorter than Nikos. So, the hight changes are all over the place anyway 😉
Asmodeean
2023-04-08 10:18:46 +0000 UTCBless you Myra, I'm going to read through it all this evening with a nice drink and see if I'm missing obvious clues 🤔😊
Alison St John
2023-04-08 10:13:13 +0000 UTCBtw Melissa is it possible to have a progression page of Andrew's transformation, like you did on Journey a while ago? Just to see how he changed over time so far :)
Myra
2023-04-08 10:11:50 +0000 UTCI think you're on the right lines here. From the evening Andrew was first drugged, Marina has consistently held him responsible for getting into this situation, albeit he has been manipulated far more than she realises. Following the conversation on the veranda Marina, still shocked at Andrew's transformation, resigned herself to the fact the situation is now so dangerous "Elena" must stay. She agrees Andrew must consider himself a woman and undergo further, reversible beauty treatments. The implication being, she still thinks the situation is temporary. This is followed by further manipulations at the clinic before the surgery. Andrew is drugged again and agrees to whatever, Marina is called away. Hence I think Marina is only partly aware of all that has happened to Andrew and has been partly manipulated herself. I still hold out hope there is a scene where Marina and Andrew finally get to talk alone. Maybe a joint visit to the ladies? 🤔 Andrew begins a question before Marina jumps down his throat again for getting into this mess in the first place. "I hope you're happy with your latest 'beauty treatments'? I mean look at you? Do you realise what you look like now? Why you ever..." Andrew quietly interupts. "Marina, I'm really scared..." Marina detecting his tone sofens slightly. "Scared, why?" "I..., I don't think I can go back" Andrew replies, looking at the floor. "What do you mean, back?" Marina asks. "To us. Being your husband." Andrew mumbles. "Of course you can, once this is over we'll get all this," she gestures at his body. "Reversed and everything will..." "That's what I'm saying," Andrew cuts in. "I'm... I don't think what they've done to me can be reversed." Andrew says holding his arms out and looking down at his body. "Of course it is, it's only some glue." Marina pushes. "With all the money you'll get we'll..." "It's not glue." Andrew blurts. "Not anymore." Marina pauses, processing what she is hearing. "Then what...?" "The surgery." Andrew continues. "They drugged me, they tricked me. I didn't know what was going on, they made me say things... I didn’t want." Marina processing some more. "Oh my God. You're not serious are you? What did they do to you? Pull up your dress? I need to see what they've done."
Bobbie
2023-04-08 10:11:17 +0000 UTCI'll have to take a look now 😊
Alison St John
2023-04-08 10:11:16 +0000 UTCWho can explain and how the scene in ladies restroom???
MaggieHeels
2023-04-08 09:59:49 +0000 UTCAs I expected... this part explained absolutely NOTHING... it was already obvious what Marina will say and how she'll react with other people close by from this insane circus... I am so frustrated to know how it will end... and as Alison said... since those bastards made irreversible changes to original Andrew... original Andrew is already dead... R.I.P. Andrew. The only way he can do and should do now is to steal as much money he can from that insanely fucked up greek family and run as far as possible from them and start a life somwhere else as hot 50+ lady...
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 09:49:39 +0000 UTCSorry but that makes no sense at all to me... why a mature Greek woman would imagine to be young American man, husband of her niece? Too bizarre explanation... not the simplest for sure... and still we do not have a clear confirmation yet that Marina is fully involved in all of this (I want to believe she's not)
Maggie Heels
2023-04-08 09:38:29 +0000 UTCUgh! I give up. I can't find the missing details. From a review of all previous chapters, all I can think off is that Marina might be tricked too. Elena's daughters pushed so much and even brought in the topic with the surgeries. Marina was gone during that time and doubted if she even had a husband anymore and even brought up -the issue- they had months ago when they finally met again. At least she wanted to make sure the surgeries were reversable but was called away last minute, leaving Andrew to his fate. Maybe after the surgeries were done she was told Andrew wanted it himself and that's were she draw the line and finally accepted her husband was now forever gone, actually wanting to be Nikos wife, not knowing the full truth. Perhaps Seferi is playing a part in his feminization too, to get reveng and use poor Andrew for his own goals. I still wonder who Andrew saw before the surgery. How I wish for a new chapter already. 💜
Myra
2023-04-08 08:57:12 +0000 UTCOne aspect that no one has ever mentioned is the role of the driver Filip's disappearance.. now I say this. Is there any resemblance between Filip and James? I tried to put the images close to each other. But I am not sure. As always I love this story😍
burninsun1
2023-04-08 07:22:05 +0000 UTCElena is so beautiful. I bet she would have a super elegant look for Easter Sunday...
Kathleen collins
2023-04-08 05:49:49 +0000 UTCYou really won't help us with clues so far are you? We're trying to figure out what is going on but we can't so pretty please help us figure out story so far.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 05:43:02 +0000 UTCElena is wearing her wedding ring. Marina and James aren't, but I'm fixing it. In Greece people people wear the wearing ring on the right hand.
Melissa N.
2023-04-08 05:36:52 +0000 UTCI think honeymoon was trap for Andrew from beginning for some reason. Nikos paid for their honeymoon but i think in the end that both Marina and Nikos are in this. They are manipulating him from start.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 05:34:03 +0000 UTCBless you Myra, I'm sure you'll also see certain things maybe missed if you re-read it too 🤔
Alison St John
2023-04-08 05:32:44 +0000 UTCBy god please let us know if you find anything, I'm running on the walls trying to find the missing piece :D
Myra
2023-04-08 05:30:53 +0000 UTCI think Andrew never existed at all,Elena had accident and was in coma so she imagined being Andrew. Elena being shorter than Marina suggests so.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 05:23:43 +0000 UTCYes the height difference is very noticeable
Alison St John
2023-04-08 05:23:42 +0000 UTCI noticed one or two things about Elena. She is shorter than Marina now, even in heels while Andrew was taller than his wife. Secondly, Elena is not wearing her wedding ring.
Mission15
2023-04-08 05:17:44 +0000 UTCThe other thing now with Elena and Marina standing next to one another is the height difference, Elena is slightly shorter than Marina now.....
Alison St John
2023-04-08 05:09:44 +0000 UTCI may well still miss the clues but this story is getting very interesting since Andrew's seemingly irreversible changes, I can't see him ever returning to being Andrew, if at all he ever was.....
Alison St John
2023-04-08 05:00:49 +0000 UTCCould you please share with us what you find out?
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 04:58:11 +0000 UTCNow that Melissa has hinted at a few breadcrumbs of info during the story, I'm going to re-read it all upto this point...
Alison St John
2023-04-08 04:57:27 +0000 UTCYou know I'm starting to think that he always was Elena and that everything up to waking up and getting ready for birthday was happening in Elena's mind when she was in coma after car accident if it is true or there is foul play at hand.
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 04:47:41 +0000 UTCFantastic. I am hoping that just as Andrew is accepting his new role someone will mention him or know of him and make him question everything again. Just an incredible story Melissa, as usual!
Kathleen collins
2023-04-08 04:45:41 +0000 UTCOh poor Andrew, he's finally starting to believe he is and always has been Elena, the evening ahead is going to be very interesting, I wonder if Marina will acknowledge Andrew or even whether Elena will even mention who she was to Marina, will Elena just accept that she's the one who is mistaken and accept who she is and that Marina is her niece 🤔
Alison St John
2023-04-08 04:41:45 +0000 UTCCould Elena Samaras celebrating birthday be real Elena not Andrew? The way you put it it looks like everything happened in Elena's head while she was in coma after accident and that Andrew never existed in the first place. I don't know. Do you mind sharing clues we missed so far? Help us please!
Nino Heđi
2023-04-08 04:36:46 +0000 UTCok, I was not trying to nit pick, I was just looking for clues. It isn't clear in every image, but when we can clearly see the ring finger on the left hand, no rings
mdaily
2023-04-08 04:34:05 +0000 UTCOh they should be! Sorry. Let's say this is a continuity error. I would spend many days redoing all those renders so instead of that I'll fix it in the next part! Later, when the story is complete, I'll fix these consistency errors. EDIT: In fact, from what I've seen, I only need to fix two images where Marina's and James' left hands are visible. I will do this soon! :)
Melissa N.
2023-04-08 04:30:24 +0000 UTCno one seems to be actually wearing a wedding ring, as far as I can tell
mdaily
2023-04-08 04:22:11 +0000 UTC
