It's kinda interesting that this racist trash mob became exactly what they accused the guy to be: child murderers...
And we were all on Pennywises side in that one scene! :)
DieWinterkirsche
2025-12-19 19:59:47 +0000 UTC
There is still seeing a fuller picture of the Bradley Massacre. Fair that you say you’re confused as to what we’ll get in the subsequent seasons. We do get the good view as to Robert outside of the clown persona. Kudos to Bill for playing it well. I noticed the lack of prosthetics, which is where you praise the makeup of Pennywise. It also makes me think that they could have had Bill be like how Tim was in that the most overt makeup was the forehead, and because Tim had the pure skill, combined with how he had such an animated face, he could convey a lot of terrifying shit. Makes me say that Bill could have had the same setup, though now seeing this, you get that they wanted to emphasize how inhuman Pennywise is in these newer adaptations. The nineties had their share of some rather dark and fucked up shit too. Saw The Hunchback of Notre Dame at least twice in the theaters when I was five. Plus, Batman Returns was ostensibly marketed for kids, or so the happy meal toys would lead one to believe that, so yeah, this really is par the course, as you say. I have been hearing the comments on how one expects that Robert’s about to yell about how he’s abandoned his child; he’s abandoned his boy. Not helping how Madeleine was his costar. Sort of feels like the intent of sounding like he’s from a time that just no longer exists like how Daniel’s accent as Bill the Butcher has disappeared. Still does sound a little odd, yes. The Black Spot massacre more than lived up to its reputation. Good Foreign Correspondent comparison with the oner. In terms of recognizing anyone, yeah, it just devolves into chaos, and you’re put in the shoes of someone in the middle of the carnage, and it feels realistic. (Completely take your point on doing your damnedest with avoiding the problematic/racist sounding wording.) I might be wrong, but I seriously think I stopped breathing for a second when Margie notes that the cooler was too small to fit both of them. I wouldn’t have blamed you if you did shut the video off given the raw emotion, especially hearing you say that Sarek didn’t even hit this level. This exceeding Sarek takes some doing. This is up there in terms of Jess just having the raw emotion. Foggy was one, Young-mi. Without wishing to detract from your issues with it, Glenn’s death in The Walking Dead, the reaction that Jess had there, might forever remain top of the list, but it’s VERY tempting to say that this possibly dethroned that. I was grateful for the abrupt break as I was sobbing very hard myself seeing Jess react to Rich. Grabbed a beer too whilst collecting myself. Yeah, there would be the greater hope that Lucas emerges ok in Stranger Things. A Jigsaw comeuppance for Bowers would be nice. Someone going Bela in The Black Cat on him has a VERY LOVELY image as well, at least that’s one idea we could go with. It did sort of sound like Hanlon was on autopilot, yet somewhat shaken, so he wasn’t QUITE as blindly obedient, though yeah, thankfully, it wasn’t too much longer after that when he finally gets that last push. He did rush in rather foolishly. Hateful sumbitch though Shaw’s turned out to be, yes, James does sell the big scene with such conviction. Using the Next Gen mention to tie into Wil Wheaton, in that in Leroy’s place I’d let Shaw ask what I’d do kill everyone by myself, and respond, “No. Just kill you.” I was starting to think maybe they were going to let Pennywise get his beauty sleep in, if for no other reason that it would be a bold move. On top of how both Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul essentially have their series finales early, and the episodes remaining feel more like codas or epilogues. Wasn’t ENTIRELY impossible to have that here, and as you describe, there is enough here to make the idea plausible. Instead, we do get Bill’s pitch perfect, “...the fuck?” look before his “...Ah. Dessert!” look of realization. Leading to the Deadlights. See we both note about the cliffhanger involving one of the handful of guaranteed survivors. I assume we were meant to recognize the dramatic irony. And it leads to the finale. Bit uneven at spots though this is, I’ve overall rather loved this show. The good outweighs the iffy spots, and certainly, Jess getting into it as she has is always a lovely little bonus.
Thomas Corp
2025-12-09 03:41:28 +0000 UTC
I read the book before seeing the second movie, and the opening scene was still a pretty big turnoff, both for the cartoon gay stereotypes getting close to Corky St. Clair territory, and how I was left thinking "You really think this is what ANYONE needs to see at this exact point in time, with zero comeuppance for it?" It's around an Eli Roth level of refusing to think through the implications of the story you're telling.
I ended up comparing Shaw pretty positively to the main villain from the first season of Black Lightning, who's a very similar concept, but when the time comes for him to give his big motivation rant, he does it by being so nakedly, shamelessly racist that it feels more like something out of a Wayans Brothers sketch, while here the show knows we can pick up on the subtext perfectly well on our own. And I can definitely see him being all over the Solanite bomb.
Ryan
2025-12-09 02:55:01 +0000 UTC
I'm a bit confused about what the proposed second and third seasons can possibly be now that we've already seen what would appear to be the most interesting parts of what happened in both time periods. Though for now it's very nice to get this look at Bob Gray, where in just a few minutes we see so many sides of him that somehow all feel like different facets of the same guy rather than his personality just changing. Bill is so clearly relishing this chance to play a different role, most of all showing he can actually be as much a funny clown as Tim Curry after all the complaining that he was nothing other than scary in the movies. I'd say his show's ending is really weird for something aimed at kids, but I was a child of the '80s so it pretty much just feels par for the course. Just one complaint, Bill did realize this guy's supposed to sound like a normal person, right? With that voice I kept expecting him to start screaming about DRAINAGE, and of course it didn't help that that's the same guy who's Madeline's most famous co-star.
The Black Spot massacre is every bit as nasty as I was expecting, and it was no surprise to see Andy Muschietti took this one himself. That single tracking shot perfectly captures the chaos and makes us feel like we're stuck in there too, similar to something like the plane crash in Foreign Correspondent. There were a few times I was wondering if I was supposed to recognize someone who got killed; for now I'm just assuming they were all just random patrons, even the woman who Pennywise took out (and I really hate how hard it is to not sound racist saying that about this particular scene, when it really is entirely due to the fire turning everyone into little more than silhouettes). The moment it became clear what Rich was doing, I was dreading how you'd respond to it, and this is the closest I've ever come to shutting one of your videos off because I just couldn't handle the raw emotion coming out. Not even Sarek got me to that level. And now I'm hoping even more that Lucas Sinclair makes it all the way. Also that sometime in the finale, even if it thankfully doesn't make sense for Ronnie to say it, Bowers gets someone telling him "You killed my father, you motherfucker! Now you burn in Hell."
I was rolling my eyes pretty hard when it seemed like not even the Black Spot could shake Leroy's faith in authority, but thankfully Shaw was nice enough to give him the final push himself. And suddenly it seems like his last name is Jenkins as he does what has to be at least close to the record of the most people attempted to hold back with one gun. After all that mockery of how stupid the Russia plan was, it turns out it's just a cover story for something even stupider, and this is where it's really essential to get an actor like James Remar who can imbue everything he says with absolute seriousness no matter how dumb it is (see also, Patrick Stewart in most of the first two seasons of TNG). At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if he threw in "If worst comes to worst, I'll just shoot lightning at him."
Always a really awkward time when a show has to try to sell us on everything being over when we know full well there's one more episode to go (see Iron Fist for maybe the worst ever case of it). At least there's still plenty going on here besides Pennywise so it feels like there's an outside chance that could fill a whole ending. But instead we get Bill doing a beautiful job of giving a clear "The fuck?" expression with just the upper half of his face, and practicing the move he'll later use on Bev. Once again, it's very weird that we're supposed to be worried for the one character we know makes it through this, but the question of how very much is keeping me going right now. The show's been kind of a rough ride, but I'm pretty optimistic heading into the finale.
Ryan
2025-12-09 02:40:02 +0000 UTC
In the meantime, the cycle ends. The horrifying thing: The end of the cycle. I was aware of that from the book. See, they talk about it some here, which is consistent with what was established in the book. The idea is that every cycle begins with some form of violence that seems to wake Pennywise up after twenty-seven years of rest and digestion. An example shown in part two of the newer film, which critics and viewers who hadn’t read the book thought it was put in for exploitive shock value. It was not. And the cycle generally ends with some form of violence on a, for want of a better term, grander scale, claiming multiple lives all at once. The tragedy of the Black Spot is one such conclusion. The timeline is slightly altered compared to the book. But then again, the timeline already got altered for the newer two-part film. The timeline here of the early sixties is closer to when the Losers’ Club deals with Pennywise, for some frame of reference. You KEEP singing Charlotte’s praises. Good. Keep at it. It’ll drown out the asshats who seem to hate her and blame her for everything in this show. Said asshats can kindly fuck off if that’s how they feel. Love your words about how the monsters are due at Derry. The irony of the forgone conclusions with the Hanlon family is painful at this point. Good that she goes to Rose for help, and we both got a chuckle at the one line exchange that she and Hank had. You asked about Hallorann’s change of heart. Again, basic human decency with saving people. If you refer to helping find the pillar, trauma, I’d imagine, combined with letting his guard down due to the end of the cycle. I suspect that Hallorann too was not privy to the real plan. They find the pillar. I reiterate that they need to STOP toying with me with the Turtle of it all if we’re not going to follow through with it. Hanlon is nice to FINALLY take a stand. It’s a curious thing how you matched my reactions, yet you were quite calmer than I was last night with Shaw. Since you now dub him “Looney Tunes”, I have a legal obligation to point out that Yosemite Sam seems like a very calm and pleasant man by comparison to Shaw. I wanted to shoot something when he made the crack about the women’s movement. Again, though, we match in response to the big reveal of Shaw’s plan. So, it’s all out there now: His big plan this whole time has been to unleash Pennywise onto the country so that he can Make America Great Again. Because, oh, yeah, Pennywise being unleashed onto all of America, SUUUUURE, that’ll work out just perfectly SPLENDIDLY. I mean, by Golly, that assessment is dead on balls accurate as much as Quentin Tarantino’s opinions about Paul Dano. (Speaking of which, though I’ve yet to talk too much about it with him, I know that when my brother heard that one, it got him REALLY PISSED OFF.) You just yell at Shaw for how monumentally STUPID it all is, “This isn’t you being stupidly and futilely determined in trying to get Montgomery Clift to fight in the boxing tournament! This is FUCKING PENNYWISE!! THE GODDAMN DANCING CLOWN!! AND YOU WANT TO LET HIM LOOSE ON THE GODDAMN COUNTRY, BY EXTENSION, THE WORLD!?!?” And he’s doing all this when, as Rose mentioned, there is something that he has yet to remember. What, I wonder, is that piece of the puzzle? That’s not me being deliberately leading as if I know. I don’t know. Merely speculating about a hypothesis that we have something more to learn about Shaw’s backstory. I’ll still hate him regardless of what it is. Massive praise and adoration for every single part of your reaction to General Bat Guano. The destruction of the pillar does lead to a nice little bit of dark humor. Namely: Kudos to Bill for just selling through his eyes, Pennywise thinking, “...Ah. Dessert!” when sensing the pillar’s destruction. His first act is to fuck with Will. Hell of a reaction you had to that. And now we await to see what fun Pennywise will get up to in the finale. Said fun includes Pennywise handing out a voucher to us to go up to Shaw, that Colonel Wortman looking motherfucker, and everyone else who blindly went along with the mission, and yell at them, “You see? YOU SEE!? Your stupid minds! Stupid!! STUPID!!!” when the shit doth hiteth the fan...eth. We know that Will is going to survive what’s to come. As to the others: I’ve heard one theory; I won’t speak of it at this time. As of now, I have my own surmise about Lilly. See how that goes. Much adoration for this most powerful reaction, Jess.