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Added 2025-02-14 02:03:27 +0000 UTC-Alex
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I love this. I’d forgotten how much I hated trek 6, and why I hated it, until your review. Spock and Kirk are out of character. They are used to tell a Cold War story, but it didn’t feel like them as a result. We had many cold war stories in classic Trek, but Kirk was Kirk in all of them. He was some alt-u Kirk in trek 6. Your video says it all.
Crankygrandma
2025-02-17 17:31:06 +0000 UTCHey Alex, Have you ever listened to the Star Wars radio dramas. The same actor that plays Admiral Cartwright, Brock Peters, also does the voice of Darth Vader. It's always funny at first to hear someone else portray an iconic character. He actually does a very good portrayal of Vader. If you haven't heard of them check it out. They're on YouTube, here's a link to the one for Star Wars A New Hope. https://youtu.be/28adtieXMBk?si=5-mqNCx2LcRUq5tY
Rory O'Toole
2025-02-17 16:40:14 +0000 UTCEver hear of the term "young and idealistic"? That's TOS era Kirk. Eventually Kirk became a little jaded, maybe resentful. Nothing wrong with that considering his experiences. All young people, including myself, went out looking for that ideal world, and then they someday realize that there's alot of evil out there also. Kirk realized there are some "good" Klingons, that's all he needed at the end of VI to get some of his peace back. Looking forward to your reaction to GENERATIONS.
THE Fans
2025-02-16 13:16:22 +0000 UTCI didn't actually mind Season 1 of Picard, but only for the back story of the Zhat Vash and Quwot Milat.
Ee'char
2025-02-15 20:01:14 +0000 UTCIt really shows when TNG replicates it on a few episodes (Yesterday’s Enterprise mainly) and you think “ooh that looks great and really cinematic!”
Worf and Riker Ride Again
2025-02-15 17:12:04 +0000 UTCThey have to. It puts TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT into perspective. Hell, it puts "Freddy got Fingered" into perspective. One has to watch Picard seasons 1 and 2 to realize how bad writing can be, when 45 producers all want their fingers in the pie. Fourty. Five. Season one has the stupidest script I've ever seen and it makes Star Wars sequels look like okay movies... and then they made season two.
ellmo
2025-02-15 14:39:19 +0000 UTCForget that. You know they will watch all of it.
Sam Langanke
2025-02-14 21:14:55 +0000 UTCIf you don’t want to watch, one of the next generation series characters ruined then don’t watch Picard. Except maybe season three.
Steve777
2025-02-14 18:43:05 +0000 UTCWow. I underestimated how deeply Alex trough his Wrestling gigs as young Kirk identifies with him. I get it. But he still doesn't get that we spent a lifetime with this character.
Sam Langanke
2025-02-14 18:32:12 +0000 UTC25 years can certainly change a man
Kristopher
2025-02-14 18:09:57 +0000 UTCAt the end of VI Kirk asks Spock that if they've grown so old to outlive their usefulness, he got over the death of his son
Scarpad’s Domain
2025-02-14 15:56:38 +0000 UTCI have to think that part of the reason it's been so jarring for them is that they went from Turnabout Intruder to ST:6 in what? A year and a half? Two years? Unlike most of us, who had a couple decades of lived experience and cultural baggage to fill the gap with. If you had a friend you admired do something that seemed antithetical to who you thought they were (some of us may have had this experience recently) it'd shake you up pretty hard.
Avaria
2025-02-14 15:49:25 +0000 UTCJerry Finnerman was an absolute master cinematographer. No Star Trek has ever looked that good since
Richard Stone
2025-02-14 14:43:58 +0000 UTCSomeone is in love. It's ok. So am I.
Mak
2025-02-14 08:59:24 +0000 UTCI tend to think these things are cyclical. A big pendulum swinging back and forth... It's been swinging forward for quite a while now... Even since the '90s things have dramatically changed... And that dramatic change scares people. And when people are scared, they fall back on fear and loathing and tribalism. And so the pendulum swings back the other way for a time... But not forever. Eventually the fear and loathing dies down, and some new catalyst comes along to drive us back down the road again. I think a lot of people in America are having a really, really bad time letting go over the 1950s. That brief flash of post-war prosperity has somehow become a baseline norm, even though it had never happened before in our history. People are still trying to project it into the 21st century. But now there are multiple generations that don't even remember it and really don't care. They want to do their own thing.
Aaron Wells
2025-02-14 07:14:29 +0000 UTCI’m 63 and I weep at how many of my peers seem to have forgotten the life, the era, they grew up in and the lessons that should have been learned. Our older brothers and sisters…they were in the thick of it and made some major impacts and we were witness to it (sometimes part of it). Racism was being addressed in a meaningful way and progress was finally being made. Lack of regulation allowed corporations to pollute the environment so badly that RIVERS were catching on fire (the Cayuga River fire comes immediately to mind) and within a decade and a half that all changed. Now? I don’t know what happened. The ones who fought against all this in their youth are the ones bringing it all back in 2025. Is it really just all about the money? Does growing old mean you have to lose a sense of empathy and ignore your moral compass? These are dark days indeed.
StealthMomo
2025-02-14 06:15:31 +0000 UTCMy grandfather fought the Japanese in world war II. He never spoke of it. I never heard him say a word about it. He had very strong opinions about Japanese cars lol. But that's all I remember him saying. But he would wake up screaming in the middle of the night, clutching an imaginary rifle... Even later on when the Alzheimer's got real bad and he couldn't remember any of us, he would still wake up screaming. He never forgot THAT. I think these sorts of experiences can be pretty overpowering for a lot of people. People might go down roads they would never have gone down otherwise. It doesn't excuse it. But it does go to the logic of it. Kirk spent a lifetime of consistently bad experiences with Klingons. It doesn't excuse anything... But it does establish at least some level of causality.
Aaron Wells
2025-02-14 05:12:40 +0000 UTCI’ve interviewed Shatner four times. Once we talked about the moment in Trek VI when he says “Let them die!” Shatner wasn’t completely comfortable with it and decided that after he said it he would do something like a headshake and a hand gesture to indicate he’d just become emotional and didn’t mean it. You can almost see the tail end of it in the film. Meyer edited it out. I think there may be video of him or Meyer talking about the moment somewhere else as well. Sometimes when you age life can make you bitter. Kirk was no exception. But he realized he was wrong and owned up to it. Makes him more of a hero to me.
Jonathan Llyr
2025-02-14 05:11:01 +0000 UTCVery nice editing by the way, loved those classic TOS shots. My god TOS had fantastic lighting. There was shadow and contrast!
Aaron Wells
2025-02-14 05:06:29 +0000 UTCYeah, It's an extremely common outcome that the idealism, optimism, and principled vigor of youth tends to get tattered with age. After all, there are millions of bitter old men with sad stories of loss and hardship that grumble their way to their graves all around us. A great many of those guys used to be gregarious and light-hearted and optimistic and even liberal-minded in their youths. I've never resented this natural progression of Kirk's character that happened as he aged. If he hadn't come around at the end and realized his error, and rectified it, then it would have been out of character. He's allowed to change and develop and even regress. But self-awareness is also part of his character, and it shined through in the end.
Aaron Wells
2025-02-14 05:04:59 +0000 UTCInnately? See, that was the way wrong word to choose if you're trying to make an argument that it's not bigotry. The belief that an entire species of people are innately villainous and untrustworthy is by definition, textbook bigotry. People say that sort of thing about particular groups of people on this planet all the time... That's why we have a word for it.
Aaron Wells
2025-02-14 05:00:23 +0000 UTCHe's a man for all and MY favorite Star Trek character of all.
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-02-14 04:33:08 +0000 UTCBravo Alex! I really like this video. I especially enjoyed your inclusion of some of the choreographed fights. 🖖
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-02-14 04:29:54 +0000 UTCLove the clips from Balance of Terror in this short. So appropriate.
Collin Freeman
2025-02-14 04:10:03 +0000 UTCheck yeah brother. 100%
speedysavant
2025-02-14 03:50:07 +0000 UTCPoint made. I'll still kill any Klingon on sight, though, because OMG WTF this is real life. It's how I got banned from ComicCon.
Juan Tutrífor
2025-02-14 03:44:00 +0000 UTCI'm loving all of these short edits
MrTickleTrunk
2025-02-14 03:09:58 +0000 UTCSpeaking of selective memories and Star Trek, I seem to remember a certain Federation captain and a certain Klingon warrior named Kor being all too willing to annihilate each other purely on the basis of racial distrust in a more colorful era. Movie Kirk may've been less of a boy scout, but he had time to marinate on his hostilities toward the Klingons and had the personal motivation of having his newfound son snatched away from him. This wasn't a heel turn, but an inevitibility. The inflexibility of a lifetime of indoctrination and experience meeting the all too familiar wind named circumstance. Avoiding the truth of the matter is illogical.
tkitez (take it easy)
2025-02-14 02:49:16 +0000 UTCI understand but lament how this noble character has morphed into a bit of a caricature over the decades
Daniel Arthur
2025-02-14 02:44:56 +0000 UTCThe idealistic and lighthearted 30+ year old vs the tired and somewhat harder 65 year old who'd lost a lot to Klingons. Both can exist. Plus, you mustn't forget the line *after* these scenes. "I couldn't get past the death of my son. Gorkon had to die before I realized how prejudiced I was [had become]." He realized his error by the end of the movie.
tyranusfan
2025-02-14 02:44:50 +0000 UTCTrue story: my jewish grandmother lived well into her 100s. She said even as recently as 20 yrs ago "the only good german is a dead german". She wasn't racist, german is not a race despite what was being sold in the 30s, but she had her reason to think the way she did. By the time of ST6 Kirk had as yet to meet even a halfway decent klingon, or even one with one redeeming quality, and in the movies they killed his son, blew up his ship, and tried to kill him. It isn't inconceivable that 65 yr old Kirk might say "let them die, I got my own problems"
Ken R
2025-02-14 02:35:03 +0000 UTCIt's not bigotry. It is Jim Kirk recognizing the villainous, innately warlike nature of the Klingons. Especially untrustworthy after killing his son. That tends to be a bit of an attitude adjuster.
Paul D
2025-02-14 02:30:10 +0000 UTCSomeone's got a mancrush on TOS Kirk.
Sharon Jacobs
2025-02-14 02:10:40 +0000 UTC
