UNCUT - Disaster (TNG S5E5) | Star Trek Journey 212
Added 2024-12-22 17:47:56 +0000 UTC
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Does space suck on itself?
Jovet
2025-01-12 04:10:13 +0000 UTCAgreed. I found this incredibly frustrating to watch . All the constant joking and yapping from Alex and Josh made it impossible to concentrate. How can you criticise plot points or character development when you talk continually and miss most of it? Made me wonder why I am bothering .
Jill Barker
2025-01-11 17:08:46 +0000 UTCYou don't have to revert your eyes from the childbirth, everything will be ok and you won't be harmed after seeing it lol
Matt F
2025-01-09 06:33:33 +0000 UTC“I have smacked the baby. The baby is not breathing.”
Worf and Riker Ride Again
2025-01-03 20:19:32 +0000 UTCCome on guys, you know Chief immediately got Keiko pregnant on their wedding night!
Worf and Riker Ride Again
2025-01-03 20:03:00 +0000 UTCClear S from me. My second favourite of this Season. It's been compared to a 70s disaster movie, i love 70s disaster movie, especially The Towering Inferno, so this is my sort of episode. Humour, action, emotion, unusual pairings, and of course Ro back. A great team on the bridge, my 3 favourite characters together.
jon bolton
2024-12-30 21:48:12 +0000 UTCI'm guessing that once the series' TRUE "S-TIER" episodes show up, you'll drop these episodes down to something more... uh, moderate. There have indeed been S-Tier episodes already, mind you. I think many people consider Yesterday's Enterprise to be S-Tier. In my opinion, S-Tier has to be reserved for the best of the best. And "Disaster" just isn't that. To me, this is around a B+... not only when compared to other episodes, but unto itself.
Tom Occhipinti
2024-12-30 15:44:56 +0000 UTCI'm a sucker for a disaster movie. That kind of genre makes for a great framework to hang interesting character interactions on. This was a great episode because it really does the disaster genre well.
ScarlettMi
2024-12-30 02:44:03 +0000 UTCSpace is drawing a vacuum on the cargo bay. Things inside it are therefore sucked out.
Darin Wagner
2024-12-27 14:31:57 +0000 UTCShe didn't know containment failer was bad
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 08:03:25 +0000 UTCThey flew too close to the sun bros were yapping and joking so much lmao
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 07:58:46 +0000 UTCThey tried riffing so much 😭🤣
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 07:54:46 +0000 UTCIts okay they did too many riffs and missed a lot. They'll learn
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 07:49:01 +0000 UTCWay too many riffs imo
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 07:46:27 +0000 UTCBro they were yapping why do you think so many comments are about it lol
Fishing Trip
2024-12-27 07:32:06 +0000 UTCI know you guys don't like the "plot-disaster" method too much, but I think this episode is a good example of how to do it right. The disaster they presented wasn't the plot of the episode really... it was the setting where the plot took place. The plot was 1-Picard learning to deal with kids, 2-Troi learning to deal with leadership 3-Worf becoming a nurturing (kinda) midwife, 4- Geordi and Crusher working together to deal with the plasma fire. The weakest part of the episode was the Data/Riker arc... but that wasn't really bad in any sense of the word.
Max Yoder
2024-12-25 04:28:50 +0000 UTCIt's a real hard pick for me between 2 and 6... both are masterpieces
Max Yoder
2024-12-25 04:22:04 +0000 UTCThis is low key one of my favorite episodes... or shows so many little stories that deal with peoples fears. And yet again... Worf delivers comedy genius
Max Yoder
2024-12-25 04:10:47 +0000 UTCThat would make her 2 years and 9 months older than me.
Keith S
2024-12-24 20:10:03 +0000 UTC*Sirtis Marina Sirtis turns 70 this next March. 😵
Jovet
2024-12-24 17:49:05 +0000 UTCIt was a reminder to the viewers too, who may well have forgotten. And, for my money, it makes perfect sense Deanna had less tech and command knowledge than either Ro and O'Brien. After all, O'Brien is an enlisted specialist, and Ro was a lieutenant before being court-martialled, and of course she's in the command division she would have attended different lessons at the academy than Deanna who would be more into the behavioural sciences. Not everybody who attends the academy would have the same courses or lessons - and only the most basics of the key things, which obviously they'd forget after years of not needing to apply any of those basics in their day-to-day jobs.
Andy Frankham-Allen
2024-12-24 17:48:13 +0000 UTCYes it's been mentioned. But I always assumed that O'Brien's comment was for Ro's benefit who was new to the ship and probably never even thought about Troi's rank before, let alone had ever seen her in a proper uniform before.
Jovet
2024-12-24 17:39:02 +0000 UTCdunno if anybody has pointed this out (limited time to read comments), but you may recall Deanna wore a uniform in the pilot, and she was indeed a lieutenant commander as witnessed by her tank pips. And I'm sure we've seen her rank on a screen or two over the last four and a bit seasons. :)
Andy Frankham-Allen
2024-12-24 17:31:27 +0000 UTCDisaster is just a really solid episode. I will also rate it A tier as I don't think it's iconic or series/character defining(although it does provide some much needed growth for Troi). I won't belabor the criticisms of the cargo bay scenes as they've been covered by a lot of other comments, but in short decompression is very commonly overstated in scifi. About the only way the barrels would have been blown/sucked out the door is if they were stacked in a way that basically blocked off the air flow as completely as possible, or the artificial gravity was turned off, or both. With the gravity on, one of them could have stood by the atmosphere controls opposite the door and not even have needed to hold on. They would have felt a light breeze and a drop in pressure and that's it. Speaking of artificial gravity, you gotta wonder why that didn't fail. The answer of course is there wasn't room in the budget for all that wire work. Given that I have the official blueprints on my computer, I'm gonna geek out here for a bit. Troi should have had someone grab a tricorder and determine if the decks below them are pressurized. The bridge and part of deck 2(the egg shaped section around the bridge) is a separate module designed to separate from the ship and act like a large lifeboat. Directly below that on decks 3 and 4 is the main shuttle bay. Now I doubt a hand phaser could cut through the hull plating of the bridge module and then through the second layer of hull plating covering the recess the bridge module fits into, but the hatches covering access points might be another story. There are ramps on either side of the observation lounge behind the bridge that lead down to level 2 and those hallways converge at the front of the bridge module. There's a staircase there which, assuming they can cut through the hatch with a phaser, leads directly down to the upper level of the shuttle bay. The shuttles have they own sensors and transporter systems. Sure, some may have been damaged, but there's about 30 of them. They'd be able to determine the state of the ship and crew, and transport someone(O'Brien) to engineering to fix the antimatter containment. That would have been my approach anyway. One thing I really like about this episode is how unusual all the team-ups were. Data usually gets paired up with Picard or Geordi, but not Riker very often. Chief hardly interacts with Troi at all, and adding Ro to make a trio made for a very unlikely grouping of characters. Geordi and Crusher usually only have scenes together outside briefings and such if it's a medical situation(Identity Crisis) or their skills overlap(fixing Data in Deja Q). Worf having to serve as a midwife is one of the more hilarious situations he could be put in. Also I think standing there holding the baby, it really made Worf stop and reflect on......................what a fucking terrible parent he is🤣. And finally, Picard and a bunch of kids. I must say though, despite some early awkwardness, this episode shows a pretty drastic turnaround from where Picard was in S1 in terms of dealing with children. I also agree with one of the comments below that Troi shouldn't have been written quite so inept in this situation. Counselor or not, she still went through the academy. She may not have dedicated command training(hence why some random redshirt Lt. was in command despite Troi outranking her), but yeah, she shouldn't have to ask what happens if antimatter containment fails. Still, I'm proud of her for only "sensing" things once in this episode. Maybe not a perfect effort, but it's clear the writers were trying to branch out with her character. But yeah, it's a great episode.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-24 03:14:57 +0000 UTCGuinan doesn't wear pips because she's a civilian. She's not in Starfleet.
Boston_Mike
2024-12-24 03:06:26 +0000 UTCJosh looked so bored I was fully expecting a C rating.
Boston_Mike
2024-12-24 02:54:33 +0000 UTCThe Idea of Worf being the most unhinged midwife also gave me this mental image when he said he was going to smack the baby of just full sending it and smacking the baby into the next season
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-24 01:40:50 +0000 UTCI think it’s time for you guys to now continue with Battlestar Galactica!
Stephen Wright
2024-12-24 01:21:03 +0000 UTCYeah, true. Even catching a welding arc for a second out of the corner of your eye can leave you seeing spots for the rest of the day. Been there, done that.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-24 01:12:19 +0000 UTCWish more people watched the Expanse, if only to dispel the oft repeated misconceptions about decompression
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-24 01:03:40 +0000 UTCwas also mentioned in Final Mission
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-24 01:01:34 +0000 UTCHey, ya never know!
Chris S.
2024-12-24 00:06:55 +0000 UTCNo doubt! And the effects probably wouldn’t have held up. But it’s still nice to imagine.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-12-23 23:30:17 +0000 UTC@Sherpa Jones 1. Yep 2. Yep 3. I suspect it would be too difficult to get Data's body to stand there without his head controlling it. It's okay because there is absolutely nothing realistic about that scene at all. 4. Hmmmm 5. LOL!! I thought a little trinitrotoluene never hurt anyone.
Jovet
2024-12-23 22:33:45 +0000 UTCA lot of definitions are modified for little good reason. Less-precise or ambiguous meanings become adopted out of ignorance. A good example is "literally" today really is often used to mean "figuratively" but that still isn't what "literally" means. Drowning is death by asphyxiation in liquid, usually water. Decapitation is death by removal of the head or spinal cord of the neck. Starvation is death by lack of sustenance. Electrocution is death by electric shock.
Jovet
2024-12-23 22:31:00 +0000 UTCOh, cool.
Nolan
2024-12-23 22:27:34 +0000 UTCAlternative rule 5: if something bad is coming right at you, get as far away as possible from any and all computer screens
Ee'char
2024-12-23 22:17:25 +0000 UTCThe Poseidon Adventure was a Bridge Crew pick so we will be watching it in the coming months
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-23 22:16:57 +0000 UTC5. Stop storing fireworks in the helm/navigation console. Why is there still no regulations on this?
Sherpa Jones
2024-12-23 22:03:43 +0000 UTCA couple of my gripes about this episode: 1. Holding your breath in a vacuum is terrible advice. 2. Geordie should have seen that hot spot on the wall with his visor LONG before Beverly touched it. 3. Take Data's head off with him standing in front of the arc, then push his body in. 4. Picard, climb higher on that damn ladder before trying to hoist yourself onto the deck surface. That's about it though. Great episode all around.
Sherpa Jones
2024-12-23 22:03:05 +0000 UTCExactly. Your lungs will overpressure and rupture inside your body. Exhale everything. And I also love that Geordie had to have someone point out to him where a wall was extremely hot, as if his visor wasn't a thing any more.
Sherpa Jones
2024-12-23 21:59:33 +0000 UTCPetition to get the boys to watch the classic disaster flicks of the 70s: Towering Inferno, Posiden Adventure, etc.
Nolan
2024-12-23 21:30:47 +0000 UTCYep, and that's actually happened. An astronaut doing EVA had a puncture through his suit, which was sealed by his skin. When he got back into the ISS the skin that sealed the hole was red and irritated, but he was otherwise okay. IT's only a difference of one atmosphere.
Steven Johnson
2024-12-23 20:57:32 +0000 UTCI think there's a happy medium between curt entertaining commentary, and talking over all the dialogue. Subtitles or not. They can just go find transcripts of each episode and read those, if the actors' delivery, cadence, actions, etcetera don't matter.
Jovet
2024-12-23 20:00:16 +0000 UTC@Keith Capirano No one believes they should sit there like zombies and never say a word during the whole episode. I wouldn't want to watch that either. But there's a difference between exchanging 5-15 words between scenes, and exchanging 50+ words halfway into a scene.
Jovet
2024-12-23 19:54:50 +0000 UTCBut the air has all the pressure.
Jovet
2024-12-23 19:47:59 +0000 UTCThere's a happy medium between sitting there like a zombie and talking so much that you're not focused and attentive to what's happening on the screen.
Jovet
2024-12-23 19:46:37 +0000 UTC“We will need to perform a c section, I will get my Bat’leth.” That was the hardest I’ve laughed at your reactions in a while!
The Game Show Reviewer
2024-12-23 19:06:04 +0000 UTCA way too obvious and therefore not very creative one in my opinion.
Sam Langanke
2024-12-23 18:47:58 +0000 UTCBy the way, Beverley gave ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG advice when about to be blown out of an airlock. EXHALE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE! Aside for that, I'd give it a B for Banger
Ee'char
2024-12-23 18:40:01 +0000 UTCWell he's NOT Picard ...
Sam Langanke
2024-12-23 18:25:59 +0000 UTCI am so tired of whiners and spoilers throughout all of the reaction world. The lost art of knowing when to "Bite your tongue" should be utilized by both types of commentators much more often.
thebeefmaster
2024-12-23 16:45:29 +0000 UTCFeedback is cool, but we’ve been watching Star Trek for over 200 reactions and “talking over dialogue” has been a complaint said so many times that it became a meme referenced in our theme song so it’s not exactly fresh feedback. Our style is our style. We both had a great time watching this episode and I’d argue this is one of our best reactions in a while. If people find this not enjoyable to watch then our style of reaction probably doesn’t line up with what they are looking for. Which is fine. We don’t begrudge anyone looking for a more typical reaction, which you can find on a number of other channels.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-23 16:15:37 +0000 UTCWhat are you talking about? Have you never watched any other reaction videos?
Gavin Scott
2024-12-23 16:10:11 +0000 UTCI know right. I don't know how anyone can enjoy watching two guys just staring at a screen for 45 minutes without saying a word. Like where is the entertainment value in that?
Spencer Loften
2024-12-23 15:46:24 +0000 UTCJust throwing in my 2¢... If I wanted to watch STNG for the umpteenth time in silence, I wouldn't be paying to "watch with you." I love the real-time dialog!
Mushroom-Bagel-Bites
2024-12-23 15:23:26 +0000 UTCAnd he would have been wrong. At the time of Data's line there was a push by the intellectual elites to get that changed, but it failed. Given that space is so much larger than the cargo bay, "sucked" is the appropriate term.
Darin Wagner
2024-12-23 14:55:59 +0000 UTCThey are forced Keith. Watching us is their version of a Greek God punishment: “You must watch Target Audience talk over dialogue for eternity!!”
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-23 13:28:31 +0000 UTCGreat ep!! Star Trek's version of the Poseiden Adventure!
Comrade Wireless Caller
2024-12-23 11:33:35 +0000 UTCA small hole wouldn't be explosive, an astronaut could casually walk over after noticing the hole and cover it with his hand until it's properly fixed. The pressure differential is not that high.
Phillip Grischa
2024-12-23 11:01:48 +0000 UTCPart of the reason to have a reaction channel is,for the hosts to also incorporate their humor, discussion, personality, into the reaction. These would be pretty boring if they sat there and never spoke. Some of you complain too much about their reactions and their posts. If you dont like them, you are free to go elsewhere to find reaction commentary. You arent FORCED to be a patreon.
Keith Capirano
2024-12-23 10:42:57 +0000 UTC@Target Audience I'm ok with you not feeling much tension in the scene, that's fine. But if you talk over OTHER important scenes, arguing whether Geordi and Beverly should have tied themselves down or used handcuffs from the replicator or other such stuff when they had JUST explained that they needed to move to the door IMMEDIATELY after the force field was back up, is just a giant waste of time. I love hearing your thoughts on a scene or character moment if the thought is relevant. If the fact that you didn't pay attention renders your entire thought process pointless and erroneout because it's completely based on you not having paid attention, then listening to this is not fun, it's aggrevating and frustrating. I love hearing discussion of a scene, but if your thoughts are longer than a sentence or two, they should become a mental note and voiced when the episode is over. You had minute long discussions here while the episode was running, literally missing EVERY SINGLE time a character is explaining what challenge needs to be overcome, and then later talked over even more dialog, wondering what's going on because you didn't pay attention earlier. And yes, at this point this might be me. North American culture seems to have a WAY bigger tolerance to talking over stuff, considering I heard so many stories over the years of people talking in Movie Theaters being common and normal over there, when that sort of thing is unheard of in my culture and would get you thrown out of the theater in a heartbeat. So while I get that a reaction is about making comments on scenes, I personally cannot even understand how you can keep talking while dialog is going on. When I was doing youtube videos on gameplay I immediately stopped everytime dialog startet, even if that made me lose my train of thought because I felt incredibly bad talking over dialog. So to me this entire approach feels incredibly alien, and this is just not waht I'm looking for in a reaction, especially when I know there's an entire discussion segment following, that would be the better place for the discussions. In a reaction I'm looking for emotions, for laughter, for tears, for chuckles, for cheers... not for a discussion about what materials characters could use to tie themselves to a pole or what camera angle would have been better and certainly not someone looking at their phone, having to be told by their partner to please watch the show because they almost missed a special effects shot. That's just my honest oppinion. I'm currently here on a gifted membership and reactions like this just make me less likely to prolong that membership with my own cash. I don'T know how else to put it. Might not be what people want to hear, but I can't claim the opposite when I literally hated watching this. I'm looking forward to these reactions, and evertime this sort of thing happens, I am frustrated and angry instead of enjoying myself... I'm with you guys for the duration, but if I'm to pay for the time watch you, then I want to enjoy that time, not get frustrated. I don't pay to feel angry.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-23 10:24:07 +0000 UTCI think once the cargo door was open, events in the bay were treated correctly -- you don't instantly die or explode or anything in a vacuum, assuming you DON'T hold your breath, you can survive in space for.. a short time. They started walking before the cargo door was closed again because they were in a vacuum at that point so didn't need to hold on, and had to get to the console to repressurize the bay. And the bay and the door's opening is big, so while there would be wind, the decompression wouldn't be SO fierce that you just can't hold on against it.
Ian Westcott
2024-12-23 10:16:08 +0000 UTCWhen the technobabble plot arrived, seemingly to end all these great little stories, I knew you were gonna love it.
rear adm. crackbiscuit
2024-12-23 10:04:12 +0000 UTCYeah, but who wants to pay money to see 2 dudes sit silently staring at an off-screen screen? That whole riff was based on A) The lore, behaviours and history of the character in the scene, B) said character's discomfort and unfamiliarity with the situation the episode has put them in and C) the reactors' own discomfort with the scene's subject matter, i.e, their *reaction* to it. I'd probably be more cheesed if this was a serialized show and what they talked over was important for the plot and theme of the overall series, affecting their view of the entire show, but frankly, how exposure to space is going to physically affect the characters is not likely to be the start of some big long character arc in this episodic show. So it's fine IMO. They were into it, riding the emotional high the episode was giving them.
Nolan
2024-12-23 09:30:53 +0000 UTCIt’s tough for me as a Star Trek fan to say this…and I know I’m going to get punched in the throat for it…but all that techno-OVERbabble is exactly why I never watched Voyager!
Raphael Gaytan
2024-12-23 09:04:25 +0000 UTCThe definition is to "injure or kill someone by electric shock." I'd say he got pretty injured. I think the confusion is that the word originated as term relating to being executed on the electric chair, but that's an outdated definition.
THE LORE!!!
2024-12-23 08:38:48 +0000 UTCR.I.P. Gene R.
Jovet
2024-12-23 08:08:42 +0000 UTCHe wasn't electrocuted. Electrocution is death by electric shock.
Jovet
2024-12-23 08:07:13 +0000 UTC@Andreas Schmitt @Shanelle Job briefings are common in many industries, and important for safety.
Jovet
2024-12-23 08:06:35 +0000 UTCBiggest "unrealistic" thing in the episode is Commander Riker staring at that electric arc, which would be far brighter than depicted (e.g. lightning) and blind you pretty quickly. Welding helmets exist for a reason. We don't know how Data's eyes would have fared... but don't EVER look at an electric arc with your naked eye!
Jovet
2024-12-23 08:00:29 +0000 UTC@Jeff Cornell Remember that the pressure of the air through the hole leaving the cargo bay is indirectly proportional to the size of that hole. If it were a small hole, like the unforcefielded door starting to open, then the small hole at the bottom of the doorway would have caused a huge pressure shift. But since the forcefield was turned off all at once, there was lots of room for all the air to get out.
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:58:46 +0000 UTCTalking means they're not engaged. If they're quiet then they're hanging on every word.
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:50:22 +0000 UTCI smell what you're doing there. 😏
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:49:02 +0000 UTC@Nolan That's not the point. We're here to watch them react to their first experiencing of the episode. If they ignore the episode then we're not watching a reaction and we here are wasting our time (and money).
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:47:50 +0000 UTCone of the theories that RLM had about this episode is that Beverly made it because she's the "dancing doctor." She knows about breath control better that Geordi does.
Eric Brinkmann
2024-12-23 07:47:35 +0000 UTC@Target Audience That's why the dialogue is important.
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:37:07 +0000 UTCIf Data would have been present, he would have corrected Geordi: BLOWN out not SUCKED out!
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:35:39 +0000 UTCThe size of the door is indirectly proportional to the pressure of the air escaping it. A little tiny hole, possibly explosive. A big-ass door, a tortoise race.
Jovet
2024-12-23 07:35:17 +0000 UTCIn the Patron Takes, I wrote an entire post saying how much they were probably going to hate this episode. I'm pleasantly surprised.
wildhunt1973
2024-12-23 07:08:16 +0000 UTCI recorded episodes on VHS when they first aired and must have watched this one countless times cause I had a crush on that girl. Bear in mind I was 11 at the time. But I always loved this episode. I thought they did a good mix of drama with comedic moments throughout.
Russell Elledge
2024-12-23 05:05:03 +0000 UTCJust a thought to my fellow Patreons: Yes, this may be the only time they see this show for the first time, but it's also not the LAST time they'll watch the show. They like the show. They'll rewatch the show. If they miss something in a reaction now, it doesn't mean they won't pick up on it later. Stuff they complain about initially may not hold up at a later date. Heck, I've been rewatching the Back to the Future movies all my life, and I STILL pick up on stuff all these years later. That's why I like em so much. Let's try to avoid robbing them of that joy too much, eh? We're all just here to watch Trek with the boys. Sometimes this is how the boys watch Trek.
Nolan
2024-12-23 04:27:31 +0000 UTCI mean, Josh is gonna rewatch it for the reaction, Alex likes the show enough he'll rewatch it too... It's not like this is their ONLY chance to watch the episode, then NEVER AGAIN.
Nolan
2024-12-23 04:23:12 +0000 UTCThrown down the warp core shaft when the ship shook. The real tension for Geordi is all the paperwork he's about to file. And having to hire a whole new shift.
Nolan
2024-12-23 04:20:27 +0000 UTCHeck, that's probably WHY he's so cynical. Probably looked out a window and saw a field of broken up ships when he was 4.
Nolan
2024-12-23 04:17:48 +0000 UTCAs far as 'being sucked out' into space, Kyle Hill did a great vid talking about how that pressure is actually not all that great, and if you're sufficiently far from the door it's not that big of a deal at all, as most of the air that would PUSH you out of the door, is on the other side of you from it. This is a fan-focking-tastic episode, IMhO. One of my faves. Season 5 the whole production crew knows their business very well now and they don't seem to put out bum episodes very often.
Angelaina Marie
2024-12-23 03:47:10 +0000 UTC“Here, let me explain the tension to the audience”
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-23 03:37:36 +0000 UTCLoved the chatter throughout this episode, in contrast to a lot of the other comments. It's not like you missed a ton and you guys cracked me tf up during the birth scene XD
Ian Meyers
2024-12-23 03:34:21 +0000 UTCImagine what Jay Gordon ("We're going to die!") was like during the Borg incident...
tyranusfan
2024-12-23 03:20:39 +0000 UTCYou guys talked over Beverly explaining the tension for the cargo bay scene. They only had a few seconds once the barrels were sucked out, to close the doors again and make it over to the panel across the room to restore the oxygen before they suffocate. Geordie falls down halfway there and Bev barely makes it. I think the scene is fine the way it is. I don't mind you guys discussing stuff, but I do find it funny when you complain about something you missed.
Clyde Frog
2024-12-23 03:19:40 +0000 UTCHey bud, haven't heard form you in ages. Check your discord :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-23 02:41:48 +0000 UTC@Shanelle Speaking as a former military person, what Crusher did was a normal briefing. This is normal. Military personell is very aware that stuff can go wrong, but we need to be briefed on WHAT will happen to our body so we can react to it. Pilots are briefed on the effects of low oxygen, soldiers are briefed on the effects of chemical weapons so we know how to react. Yes it may be scary but in a life and death situation you need to KNOW what will happen to your body, so you are ready for that and are not caught off guard. That was standard procedure. Any medical officer would have done this. Yes in the show it was mostly for the audience, but it was still a very realistic conversation.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-23 02:26:40 +0000 UTCWord is Senior Lieutenant, important distinction. Senior Lt is like a Captain in the army, while a Junior Lt is like a 1st Lt, Ensign being 2nd Lt.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-23 02:21:39 +0000 UTCI love chatty J & A. More, considering I've seen sttng many times over. Feels like what I'd be doing. Also this is one of my fave episodes.
Denaxas
2024-12-23 02:14:38 +0000 UTCBTW Alex and Josh…. No spoilers, dont worry. You are about to watch Star Trek VI. Most agree its darkest in tone of all the films, Right from the opening titles you feel it. but I have a feeling it’ll be your favorite. That is all. Chris out.
Chris S.
2024-12-23 02:06:35 +0000 UTCAlas, the budget for that would have been astronomical (pardon the pun) in what I'm pretty sure was a cost saving episode.
Nolan
2024-12-23 01:57:39 +0000 UTCYeah, sadly they talked over one of Worf’s better lines when Keiko starts going into labor. “You cannot. This is bot a good time!” 🤣
Column Meanie
2024-12-23 01:56:14 +0000 UTCAfter watching this episode several times, my only question is what happened to the rest of the engineering crew? I would assume like the bridge, engineering would be staffed at all times. But I love this episode and also give it an "S".
Gregory Foster
2024-12-23 01:55:58 +0000 UTCNah it was there to up the anti for the audience, telling us: “what we’re about to do is really dangerous and potentially will kill us in a horrific way”
Column Meanie
2024-12-23 01:54:12 +0000 UTCWow. You guys really talked over the whole episode. But I get it. There were many silly points. Its a C for me. But I thought because of the kids stuff, you would have given it a lower grade. But hey, sometimes we surprise each other!
Chris S.
2024-12-23 01:49:01 +0000 UTCCrusher is a full commander (3 pips) same as Riker. Sometimes her pips aren’t visible if she’s wearing her lab coat. Troi was established as a Lieutenant Commander in the very first episode when she was wearing the “skant” uniform variant, seen mainly in season 1.
Matt Everkoul
2024-12-23 01:42:37 +0000 UTCIts a Good Episode and they made the drama with RO realistic without being insubordinate, something future trek won't do. Plus the Kids werent insuffereable either . A+ from me
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-12-23 01:25:42 +0000 UTCAgreed. Congratulations, you managed to talk over every single scene that explained that the current problem is :D Then suggested solutions that the characters had just explained to be impossible, and wondered what even caused the accident when the characters had already explained that three times, talked over the entire explanation of the plan in the cargo bay, then claimed that had the least tension... I'm glad you loved the episode but this was BY FAR the most frustrating reaction to watch.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-23 01:15:15 +0000 UTCbeing trapped in an elevator with kids. i'm not sure whose nightmare that is. Picard's or Josh and Alex's....
penoyer79
2024-12-23 00:45:13 +0000 UTCI'm surprised you both gave it such high marks... given how much you talked over many of the absolute golden moments of the episode.
Darin Wagner
2024-12-23 00:18:20 +0000 UTCYou guys were channelling your inner 7th grader selves with this EP. ;)
Michael Nemo
2024-12-23 00:09:26 +0000 UTCOver the years I've seen and been apart of several online discussions about this episode. Marissa was always a popular character and there was speculation on what was next for her. Her becoming a protégé of Picard was frequently suggested. and liked. This led to the general timeline mentioned in the post. It's all in fun, but would certainly make for a logical and entertaining expansion of the story.
Mark Chrisco
2024-12-22 23:41:06 +0000 UTCJust daydreaming here, but it would have been cool to have Geordi and Beverly have no choice but to don space suits and exit the cargo bay to avoid the radiation. The rest of the episode could’ve been them walking across the hull, looking for an airlock, while trying to keep level headed by practicing for the musical.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-12-22 23:21:06 +0000 UTCKeiko is a background character to me, so I don’t care at all that there was no “set up” for her pregnancy.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-12-22 23:20:23 +0000 UTCMy one nitpick… I wish they hadn’t written Troi to be completely oblivious to the workings of the Enterprise. In fact, I would’ve preferred it if Ro and the Chief were surprised at Troi’s technical knowledge. Show that she can keep up with the rest of the bridge crew. I love the personal growth but they didn’t have to “dumb” her down. I mean, c’mon, everyone aboard the Enterprise should know what a containment breach means.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-12-22 23:16:03 +0000 UTCI'm sorry for saying, but the level of chat throughout was frustrating. You remarked you "didn't feel much tension" over a scene you'd talked over and that elicited an eye roll from me. Just offering my honest take. I absolutely do want to watch you reacting, but there was a lot of hypothesising what characters might have said and other off-topic stuff. Maybe save that for after the watch? Brevity would be good.
Gavin Scott
2024-12-22 23:12:09 +0000 UTCThe ship really hit the fan..
Badger
2024-12-22 23:09:21 +0000 UTCY'all sure did talk a whole lot and laugh during this episode... I like to think that means that you had fun (and enjoyed the episode). This is peak content. Wild tangent: for a fun rabbit hole, go and Google "Stephen Ratliff" and the "Marissa Picard" fanfics. TL;DR - Back in the day, someone on the Internet aimed for the stars and made an entire epic fanfiction series based on the the kids in this episode. If that sounds potentially cringe, it was a huge topic of online nerd riffing in the late 90s/early 00s MSTings culture (Mystery Science Theatre 3000 meta fanfiction community). Star Trek has been a source of agony and ecstasy for as long as the World Wide Web's been around~
Shortskirtsandexplosions
2024-12-22 23:00:13 +0000 UTCI’ve think the only non-direct reference would be from Encounter from Farpoint when Troi wore a uniform.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-12-22 22:40:06 +0000 UTCThe hospital sent us home. They told us, you have at least 12 hours to go. 30 minutes later, my daughter was born at home on our bed. All alone, I had to unwrap the cord around her neck. I had to clear fluid from her mouth. I had to do the slap, and she cried. The most beautiful sound I ever heard. I had previously never even seen a birth, let alone know what to do. I was guided by spirits for sure.
Michael Metrick
2024-12-22 22:36:16 +0000 UTCLol 😂
Derek Orr
2024-12-22 22:26:55 +0000 UTCI agree, glad I'm not alone.
Michael Metrick
2024-12-22 22:24:47 +0000 UTCI found the MOST tension was with crusher and la forge , the narrative explanation about how the chemicals will explode and the explanation felt the most real and dangerous to me
Derek Orr
2024-12-22 22:09:55 +0000 UTCTA talking during an episode means they're either engaged with the ep and having a good enough time to riff, or they hate it an need to riff to make it palatible. There is NO in between. (They also sit quietly enraptured when they are bought in - but those are different episodes)
Nolan
2024-12-22 22:01:38 +0000 UTCDr. Crusher’s mention of hyronalin as a treatment for radiation sickness is a callback to (of all things) “The Deadly Years.”
James H
2024-12-22 22:00:57 +0000 UTCOn the one hand, them falling into sidebars and tangents is obviously not great for catching everything. But you know what else it means? That they are having a GREAT time watching the episodes, and ironically are actively engaged with it. As for the detailed "Here's what decompression does" dialogue, while it's also a prep for Geordi and attempt at tension building for the audience, I also think it's part of how Trek has often tried to be low-key edutainment. I always Trek back then was always trying to teach it's audience something. Like an adult version of The Magic School Bus. So that dialogue there was the "lesson for the day." Personally, I've always found Treks that fail at the lesson part, either because it lacked objectivity, was not well thought out, or just didn't have one to feel like they failed at half of what their job is. This episode alone teaches me facts about decompression, pregnancy, electrical currents, and gives examples of childhood dynamics & mentoring and leadership & decision making. It's Magic School Bus for adults I tells ya.
Nolan
2024-12-22 21:55:52 +0000 UTCLets be sure to put the "restore air" button on a different panel, all the way across the room from the "close the door" button.
Alan Thompson
2024-12-22 21:52:57 +0000 UTC*cocaine
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 21:52:29 +0000 UTCAgreed on the chatter…it was like they where extra adhd and on sugar and caffeine or something.
Derek Orr
2024-12-22 21:31:53 +0000 UTCFan tradition?
Derek Orr
2024-12-22 21:30:25 +0000 UTCThat is not correct
Derek Orr
2024-12-22 21:28:24 +0000 UTCWell, that's why I'd recruit Troi for my bridge crew, but not Sirties.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-12-22 21:22:48 +0000 UTCDr Crusher wears pips she's a commander and part of the crew. The only reason Troi doesn't wear pips is because of her weird uniform, but she's a lieutenant commander. When she was wearing a more normal uniform during "The Wounded" you saw he lt commander pips, but dont recall if they mentioned her rank explicitly before this episode.
paultardspambot .
2024-12-22 21:04:41 +0000 UTCWe don’t watch it again before discussing it unless we specifically state that we did. Usually we discuss it right after the reaction.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 20:56:32 +0000 UTCNot replying directly to you, general comment. Tropes are no cliches, they are just story elements that are repeted. The site tvtropes has an extensive catalogue of every possible trope. To try and write a story devoid of tropes would mean something utterly alien, all modes of storytelling rely on some degree of audience familairty with ideas. The Keiko birth scenes were mainly a bit of humor, which Dorn was happy to get as he had gotten frustrated wit a different trope, the "enemy beats on worf to show how strong he is. Dorn had complained about this and how once you over do it, it makes the character looks weak, and pointed out that data was actually the strongest character but rarely gets beat up. I suppose its the visual of the lare=ge hulking man being thrown around. Worf's chaarcter does get redeemed, as it was a bit of a meme how he was always getting beat up and gives advice that is ignored, but had it been followed, would have prevented a lot of problems. One continuty thing that always bugged me- its established by dialogue that Worf is considerably stronger then the human characters, but this doesn't seem to be generally true of Klingons. My head canon is either that Kronos has lower gravity, or Worf was from a specific ethnic group of klingons that were stronger, perhaps because they lack (REDACTED DO TO SPOILERS)
paultardspambot .
2024-12-22 20:52:52 +0000 UTCI’m glad someone other than me noticed the extra talking and laughing and missing story details. I know they watch it again before they talk about it, but it was a little much this time.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-12-22 20:46:08 +0000 UTCYou guys talked a lot on this one. Not complaining, we've seen this episodes and your reactions are what we're here for, just hoping you can pay attention to the captions and what's going on while you're talking. The disaster was caused by the ship hitting two "quantam filaments" a fictional thing. Troi asked if they were cosmic strings, which they seemed to be modeled after, but apparently they're something similar but different. Nice call back though, having Troi ask that, since the episode where the 2 dimensional beings that were trying to get back to a cosmic string is what caused her temporary lapse in her empathic abilties, so cosmic strings would be memorable to her. By the way, people might say there was too much "technobabble" here but everything was logical, made sense, and was easy to follow, unlike the constant non-sensical technobabbl of Voyager where they didnt even try to make it line up with anything scientific or remotely understandable.
paultardspambot .
2024-12-22 20:41:54 +0000 UTCWhy not both?
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 20:37:19 +0000 UTCAccording to current naval tradition, Troi would not actually have been the commanding officer, but its trek, so the system could be different. Of course the other officers were an ensign and an acting lieutenant who is actually a non-com chief, so it makes some sense.
paultardspambot .
2024-12-22 20:36:01 +0000 UTCThis episode shows an evolution of Picard's character from "why are there children on my bridge" to being able to manage the kids fears and welcome and appreciate them on the bridge.
paultardspambot .
2024-12-22 20:33:36 +0000 UTCYeah, once you're dealing with deep sea pressures, things can't get real gnarly real quick. But that's more than 10 times the pressure Geordi and Crusher were dealing with.
Jeff Cornell
2024-12-22 20:33:19 +0000 UTCHere's a link to a picture of Dr. Beverly and her commander's pips from Season 1 Episode 3. https://startrekcostumeguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TNG-1x3-Naked-Now-combined-1-1.jpg
Avaria
2024-12-22 20:31:55 +0000 UTCHad to go into storage and dust off this bad boy - https://imgur.com/a/MCZ2QNa
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 20:27:09 +0000 UTCI’m not sure who the kids were in this - the ones trapped in the turbolift with Picard or the two guys reacting to the episode! 😉
Jonathan Llyr
2024-12-22 20:26:55 +0000 UTCTrue, I was probably thinking of the famous dive bell depressurization
Evan Guthrie
2024-12-22 20:26:18 +0000 UTCHuman beings can survive in vacuum for about a minute or so. NASA has learned this from a few accidents in vacuum chambers when training astronauts. They'd be in worse shape than depicted in the episode, suffering from something like a full-body hickey, but the plan would be survivable. The biggest issue is that they needed to be much more secure than just holding onto the ladder. With the loss of pressure being from a wall-sized force field instantly disappearing, they'd experience the equivalent of a fairly violent (but survivable) explosion shockwave pushing them out the door. The air escaping somewhat gradually as depicted would make more sense if they just didn't bother with the force field, and had the air escaping as soon as the door started opening.
Jeff Cornell
2024-12-22 20:15:58 +0000 UTCIts an accurate depiction of what will happen if you're exposed to vacuum suddenly and need to do some action to fix it. Like "dont freak out this is what we're about to experience, prep for it and lets go do it." Arguably movies still get it wrong and it helps inform the audience in general.
Nathan Koga
2024-12-22 20:15:38 +0000 UTCThis hasn't been borne out in tests and accidents with NASA. They even had a suit failure while testing in a pressure chamber. Geordi statement is actually consistent with NASA's work on that sort of thing- in order to be rendered instantly knocked out/dead, the pressure drop needs to be over 3 atmospheres and normal air venting to vacuum is a 1 atmosphere difference. The main risks (inside a spacecraft) besides suffocation are bursting blood vessels near the skin's surface (and capillaries in the eyes which makes you bloodshot) as well as the risk of lung rupture if you hold your breath.
Nathan Koga
2024-12-22 20:13:30 +0000 UTCTroi wore her rank insignia in Season 1, she was a Lt. Cmdr. then as well.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-12-22 20:05:31 +0000 UTCThat’s a great point and now a part of me wishes that was the case
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 20:00:48 +0000 UTCDamn what a visual 💀
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 20:00:09 +0000 UTCRegarding ranks, Dr Crusher has Commander rank the same as Riker does. Data, Geordi and Deanna have Lieutenant-Commander. Worf is Lieutenant.
Wayne Clarke
2024-12-22 20:00:00 +0000 UTCDidn’t say it was unrealistic, I’m aware it happens irl, but regardless it is still a common tv trope. Which is fine. I’m glad everything worked out for you with your child
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-12-22 19:58:37 +0000 UTCAbout the woman-giving-birth-in-a-disaster trope: Highly stressful situations can trigger early childbirth, so it's not that far off reality. My wife and I were in a dire situation when she was 7 months pregnant with our first child and she was feeling some minor labor pains. Luckily the situation was resolved quickly and and my son was born on time 2 months later.
Chris Mickelson
2024-12-22 19:54:55 +0000 UTCYes, an instant loss of pressure would kill you before you knew what was happening. The nerve impulses telling Geordi that his finger touched the button wouldn't even have reached his brain before he died.
Evan Guthrie
2024-12-22 19:52:31 +0000 UTCResponding to your comment about what if TNG focused on a "big three" the way TOS did, I'd actually go with Riker, Data, and Worf. Picard's professional detachment doesn't make him a good fit for a "big three" format in my opinion. In that format, you focus on the characters working just under him, with Picard's role as "the boss" driving the plot as necessary, but not being the center of the story.
Jeff Cornell
2024-12-22 19:51:49 +0000 UTCYeah, this is a great one. It has the hallmarks of being a bit cringey with the kids but pulls up and has a number of 'true trek' moments.
Mara
2024-12-22 19:32:05 +0000 UTCHmm... okay. Maybe. For me though, it always seemed like, okay. We're about to do something crazy to eliminate this potential explosion. We're gonna be exposed to the vacuum of space. Okay, ready? Let's do it!!! ...what? No, of course not. You'd want to prepare and let anyone know the dangers and what will happen so that you're not freaking out about what's happening because you had a safety briefing beforehand. Maybe Geordi learned during the academy, but it's been a while. Also, how many in the audience in the early 90s knew what being exposed to sudden decompression would be like? This was info that was important for the characters to go over, and for us. At least, that's what I always took from that scene. And knowing the reality of what was happening, we could imagine the danger while the air was blown out of the cargo bay. Again, early 90s didn't have good enough CGI to demonstrate being exposed to space in a vacuum.
John McCurdy
2024-12-22 19:32:00 +0000 UTCGot to meet Marina Sirties at a Star Trek convention. She said she would not have been as gracious as Deana when Ro apologized for bring wrong. Instead of saying you could have been right. She would have said I'm right you're wrong na-na-na-na na.
Keith S
2024-12-22 19:28:49 +0000 UTCThat medical dialogue felt so unnecessary and unnatural to me. Why say all that? To scare Geordi? Was she having an anxiety attack? My actual belief is that particular dialogue was there to fill time.
Shanelle
2024-12-22 19:24:02 +0000 UTCHaha oh you poor babies 🤣
Column Meanie
2024-12-22 19:20:03 +0000 UTCThat’s sweet
Shanelle
2024-12-22 19:18:49 +0000 UTCIts fan tradition that Marissa was inspired to attend Starfleet Academy and years later Admiral Picard had the honor of personally promoting her to Captain of her own starship.
Mark Chrisco
2024-12-22 19:16:21 +0000 UTCI feel that the Crusher/La Forge section wasn't impactful for you guys for two reasons. One, switching to their scenes was (in my opinion) something of a pallet cleanser. Their situation dire, but wholly different. Maybe "pallet cleanser" isn't the right way to describe that. But anywho... The second reason was during the final moment when they evacuated the air. The two of you were chatting away SO egregiously during Dr. Crusher's warnings of what was going to happen. That was because they couldn't really film capillaries blowing on their skin, and whatnot. So, she described the very limited time of consciousness that they would have after the air was evacuated to reach a panel at the end of the bay to be able to refill and pressurize the bay with air again. It was with that knowledge provided, that when the scene plays out, that tension is in your head. But again, y'all just were cracking up with each other over something totally non-related and completely missed it. Other than that irritant, which in my opinion, was because you were extremely chatty during this episode (don't get me wrong, your reactions and insights are what makes watching you guys experience this show so much fun, but it was seriously a bit much this time), I also would give this episode an A. I've rewatched this episode many times during the past 30yrs... It's a fun and very different episode with great moments, as you've mentioned. But crying children and simply seeing our main heroes reduced to "damage control teams" slightly reduces this for me. Still a fantastic episode. Simply not "S-tier" epic for little old me.
John McCurdy
2024-12-22 19:15:40 +0000 UTC"It's not crying. When isn't it right?" My daughter didn't cry right away. That's more of a TV thing than a reality thing.
Steven Johnson
2024-12-22 19:06:58 +0000 UTCThe guys in Redlettermedia own the burnt uniform Brent Spiner is wearing after getting electrocuted, they got it at an auction. Mike thinks this is one of the best episodes of the series.
THE LORE!!!
2024-12-22 18:54:03 +0000 UTC"You know how strong you have to be to fight against the vacuum of space?" Not very. It's only one atmosphere to zero. Now, a diving bell that is highly pressurized? You aren't holding on, you're getting squashed.
Steven Johnson
2024-12-22 18:49:47 +0000 UTCAlways loved this episode when it first aired, still find it fun just for some of the pairings Also love the fact that after over 100 episodes they finally do something with Troi’s rank…
Darren Seal
2024-12-22 18:43:16 +0000 UTCI'm with Alex - I'd be happy never to see another childbirth scene in anything. Have to look away.
Steven Linden
2024-12-22 18:36:10 +0000 UTCWhen Josh goes to sleep i'm going to draw explosions on his forehead.
Steven Johnson
2024-12-22 18:28:16 +0000 UTCThis was the last episode to air during Gene Roddenberry's lifetime. He passed 5 days later on Oct. 24, 1991
Avaria
2024-12-22 18:04:31 +0000 UTC
