UNCUT - The Loss (TNG S4E10) | Star Trek Journey 191
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Here's a reflection question... was it better than "The Child," which was also a Troi-centric episode?
Who North America
2024-10-03 20:05:27 +0000 UTCThis episode can be pretty annoying with Troi’s response, except understood with Crusher’s line later in the episode that (as I remember it from a viewing month ago): “Doctors or Therapists make the worst patients…”
Bagofsoup
2024-09-29 17:00:11 +0000 UTCI gave it a C. A very predictable outcome.
Lou Trek
2024-09-28 18:09:21 +0000 UTCI agree with everything you said in the first paragraph, and then you agreed with everything we said in the second paragraph lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-26 16:06:31 +0000 UTCThere's a part of me that wants to defend the B plot (in this episode and also just B plots in general). At the end of the day, even with all the character moments, the sci-fi stuff is still part of what defines the show. I would describe it like this, the sci-fi is why the show exists, the characters are why we care. I get wanting just the A plot, but this is still Star Trek. On the other hand the B plot in this episode is kinda meh. The 2D stuff is mildly interesting, but it feels underdeveloped, and it also feels like it doesn't mesh well with the A plot. In the end I wouldn't not have a B plot. I would just prefer one that feels more relevant to Troi.
Paul Noad
2024-09-26 07:55:49 +0000 UTCHe doesn't say "I'm sorry" he says "imzadi" which means beloved in betazed.
Todd Pritchett
2024-09-26 06:48:26 +0000 UTCExactly!
Jovet
2024-09-25 20:31:21 +0000 UTCI think the trick is that the entities were edge-on to the sensors.
Jovet
2024-09-25 20:29:59 +0000 UTC@Thicketdweller It's understandable, it's not a clear word to begin with. It did take me all of 5 seconds to figure it out myself, though.
Jovet
2024-09-25 20:17:09 +0000 UTCMy white noise movie was Star Wars: A New Hope. The music was great & I loved the story, but passed out every time I watched it. I could never make it passed the opening sequence after R2 & 3P0 escape. I blame it on the blue milk.
Billy T. Riker
2024-09-25 07:25:04 +0000 UTCTypical bottle episode. 1 cheap guest star, little effects, planets or anything flashy.
Badger
2024-09-25 03:37:22 +0000 UTCMy mother recently lost her eyesight and the Troi plot has hit differently now for me, so many similar scenarios. Re-watching this series has reinforced yet again how great the writing in the show was at times.
Nick
2024-09-24 23:18:50 +0000 UTCOne thing that always bugged me about this is the whole sensor thing. So... if something was say above the ship.. they would have no idea it's there? The sensors of a star ship in the 24th Century are not omnidirectional?
s0rd3z
2024-09-24 18:42:30 +0000 UTCSam Langanke, Oh, ok. Spelling wasn't my fortay...
Michael Metrick
2024-09-24 15:42:52 +0000 UTCDoin' my best! :)
Michael Metrick
2024-09-24 15:42:22 +0000 UTCYeah, I got about 32 different spellings out of Siri each time I tried to correct it So I just gave up and figured that I’d take the abuse Not the first time, not gonna be the last
Thicketdweller
2024-09-24 11:43:32 +0000 UTCAnother Deanna TROI mindfuck episode as I tend to refer to them
Thicketdweller
2024-09-24 11:36:00 +0000 UTCgenerally speaking if ones loses a sense like sight early, their other senses do fucntion better because areas of the brain that would process visual input are used for other forms of sensory inpute. Of course we can't relate that to betazoid telepathy
paultardspambot .
2024-09-24 08:27:05 +0000 UTC@Timothy Nikiforovs Now you have just gone and lost all sense of plot armor. 😆
Jovet
2024-09-24 07:38:03 +0000 UTCI always thought one of Star Trek's strengths was to encourage people to grow. Expand their horizons or tastes a tad. Be a little more optimistic.
Jovet
2024-09-24 07:36:26 +0000 UTCI'd probably rate this one a D like Josh, but I'm less impressed with the Troi plotline, and less bothered by the 2D alien plotline(or the poor execution thereof). I get that it's not as simple as saying "we've all had to live without empathic abilities our whole lives and we get by", and yeah if I lost an ability I had come to rely on so heavily I'd probably be pissed too and lash out at people trying to help me and then feel like a dick later. But I guess what my problem boils down to is that Troi's abilities have been utilized so poorly that they seem borderline useless. I no way is it as crippling as being deaf or blind, or losing your ability to feel through touch. Yes it impacts her job, and learning to rely on observation and intuition like human therapists do would take years, but it's not like she can't do everyday things like walking or having a conversation without help. With how obvious her observations tend to be, it's almost like someone had thermal vision or something and lost it. Sure it's cool, and useful in some circumstances, but if something is too hot to touch, usually there's enough heat coming off it to feel, especially if it's hot enough to really burn you, and again, if it's cold enough, the frost is gonna give it away. So it just didn't sell me on this being crippling because of how poorly the show has used her powers. I liked the Guinan scene, I agree they should have had a conversation between her and Geordi, and the 2D aliens were a cool concept. This one just isn't for me. Oh and BTW, Riker said "Imzadi", which is the Betazoid word for........
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-09-24 06:36:23 +0000 UTCI always get it mixed up with another Troi episode with similar conditions. 😉 😉
Philbot
2024-09-24 05:55:56 +0000 UTCNot grieving lady she was on a whole other show.. Golden Girls?
Philbot
2024-09-24 05:53:47 +0000 UTCThis argument is kinda like that “My house is on fire!”, “All houses matter Jeff..” 😆
Philbot
2024-09-24 05:50:50 +0000 UTCIt’s weird that there are 1000 people on the Enterprise yet Troi seems to have no staff??
Philbot
2024-09-24 05:42:17 +0000 UTCSpeaking of the most Toys did you guys watch the alternate takes of the original actor for Kivas Fajo? You guys should do a reaction to the two takes on the character and make it a patreon exclusive..
Philbot
2024-09-24 05:39:49 +0000 UTCAs I said in my comment, they should have started the freighter on a course to head "above" or "below" the asteroid belt and let it drift at a fairly slow speed. Just a few minutes of towing to get it moving. Go search for the captain, come back in a couple days and adjust it's course to head into the sun without an asteroid belt in the way.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-09-24 05:03:37 +0000 UTCYeah, how about that teaser, with the funky music?
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-09-24 05:00:54 +0000 UTCAnd that's why Trek is great. It has something for everyone
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-09-24 04:54:12 +0000 UTCAnd the ship doesn't burn gas in orbit
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-09-24 04:38:04 +0000 UTCYou don’t think there are any dicks in the military?
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-24 01:10:21 +0000 UTCFirst off, I understand why the B plot may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I thought the 2D aliens and cosmic string were cool, and I really appreciate how it tied back to Deanna at the end where she solved the problem and saved the ship. As for Troi, every time I watch this episode she just comes off as so abrasive that it really rubs me the wrong way. But I've never been in that situation myself, so how can I really judge? I like to think I would appreciate everyone trying to help or comfort me, but lashing out instead is equally plausible. I think what might have made this episode better for me personally, is if Troi had apologized BEFORE she got her powers back. Saying she is sorry only after she is in control again seems less like reckoning with her behaviour and more like just moving on from it entirely. (If that makes sense.) In any case, I think the true fault of the episode is that it's just really hard to explore a loss like this in less than 45 minutes.
Ryan Caulfield
2024-09-24 01:10:20 +0000 UTCYou still can't convince me that her behavior was unacceptable in this episode.
Evan Guthrie
2024-09-24 00:44:05 +0000 UTCAt 40:55, when the ship escapes the string.. I think that’s the last time we hear that little diddy
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-09-24 00:34:35 +0000 UTCI have a feeling the boys would love Nutrek where they don't respect the chain of comman < i dont, these folks are profesionals the best of the best, they are bound by semi military protacols, theres no room for Snark, I Hate Snark
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-09-24 00:32:32 +0000 UTCwhich s why i dislike Nutrek so much
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-09-24 00:13:42 +0000 UTCDamn Michael, looks like you’re cooked as well 😭
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 23:22:13 +0000 UTCImzadi
Sam Langanke
2024-09-23 22:59:26 +0000 UTC“I’m good with all types of dicks” was a real lol moment, and you guys have only one season for that character wish to come true! Based on Josh’s take, I think they will really enjoy Season 5’s addition.
Ross Townsend
2024-09-23 22:57:57 +0000 UTCOne of the three weakest episodes of season 4. I watched it when it first aired and never again.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-09-23 22:40:14 +0000 UTCI believe Roddenberry had a point, to a certain degree. Conflict can be realistic and productive, but it should not be the basis of every episode.
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:12:09 +0000 UTCsomething something Baby oil something something Danger Zone
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:10:39 +0000 UTCFlying over/under the belt may not have been very feasible, as it would have taken longer, and could even have risked breaking the freighter up.
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:08:45 +0000 UTC@Target Audience I'm pretty sure the focus of the episode teaser was that bizarre music! LOL!! I almost couldn't believe it.
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:06:59 +0000 UTC@BN13 That's a fair point! Though, the crew did lose control of the ship, that would be a stretch for the episode title.
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:04:39 +0000 UTCMy least-favorite episodes are still in Season 7.
Jovet
2024-09-23 22:02:11 +0000 UTC@Aramis Calcutt I agree! I don't think "bored" is quite the right word for me, but the "shuttle captain" POS was too cliché to be interesting, and the bizzareness of this fountain of water protected by "an entity" is pretty dang out there.
Jovet
2024-09-23 21:58:37 +0000 UTCThis was a really weak episode but I was surprised that it was better than I remembered. It still wasn't good IMO but it had more good moments than I expected
Strife
2024-09-23 21:33:33 +0000 UTCApparently whatever they are watchings CC just said "speaks Betazoid" at that part.
Greg Quinn
2024-09-23 20:53:50 +0000 UTCTime again for a hook up check up. Yes it is the sex scoreboard: Well no real changes actually. So the scoreboard remains Riker 7 Troi 3 Data 1 Picard 1 Worf 1 Jordy 1 + 1 I (eat it spelling purists) Broccoli 2 i extra board comments- I almost gave Troi a - 1 . I have never seen Deanna less sexy to the point of unsexy. But once boots have been knocked they can't be unknocked. Some may say Jordy +1 for skin diving reference but as a Florida guy I can say skin diving has nothing to do with sex even in Florida. It is diving beneath the surface of the ocean without scuba gear just a mask, fins and snorkel. Not a term used anymore but us old farts still use it. As a side bar, farting while skin diving and chasing the bubble is a fun past time.
Prof Moff
2024-09-23 20:42:55 +0000 UTCHealth Insurance? Omg America 🤦♂️
Derek Orr
2024-09-23 19:16:52 +0000 UTCOur brains were fried long before starting this channel
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 18:48:23 +0000 UTCOne of the weakest of the season for me tho I do like Troi’s reaction to the loss of her powers it seemed a believable response.
Darren Seal
2024-09-23 18:37:06 +0000 UTCGuys, the word Imzati was used during Encounter At Farpoint... alcohol is frying your brain cells. 🤣
Michael Metrick
2024-09-23 18:32:21 +0000 UTCI guess now Troi felt like Tam Elbrun felt the first time he met Data
Ee'char
2024-09-23 18:05:23 +0000 UTCGene Roddenberry specifically forbade character conflicts in his future...he thought we should be more socially evolved by then. Its a NIGHTMARE for writers. Yeah, its laudable to try to create conflict from ideas rather than peoples feelings, but as a practical writing problem it must have been exhausting.
Aaron Wells
2024-09-23 17:23:16 +0000 UTCI guess I like this one slightly more than you guys, but not enough to bother defending it.
Steve Boshear
2024-09-23 15:58:55 +0000 UTCFirst time I skipped the reaction section
Shanelle
2024-09-23 15:45:48 +0000 UTCAnd Riker holds the Sacred Chalice of Rizz.
A G
2024-09-23 15:35:52 +0000 UTCThe openings are great. The only thing I would have done for this one is immediately after the Episode title card have Alex shirtless and Josh say "... maybe you shouldn't gamble."
A G
2024-09-23 15:10:16 +0000 UTCThe comments after pausing the video at 00:01
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 14:35:41 +0000 UTCGet over it. Next week will be awesome! Twice!
Sam Langanke
2024-09-23 14:17:18 +0000 UTC"With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about" - The comments when you make a controversial take
Deep Red
2024-09-23 14:14:02 +0000 UTCThe 2D species plot could’ve been really neat but….. execution
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 14:13:11 +0000 UTC... but I do still consider this a C only.
Joe Concepts
2024-09-23 14:10:03 +0000 UTCI get that you guys tend to dislike some B plots you feel aren't needed, and in some cases I agree. But Star Trek is not a show I want to give me a 45 minute therapy session.
Joe Concepts
2024-09-23 13:51:06 +0000 UTCThe CC of the version I was watching DID say Imzadi. Did others see it as I'm sorry?
Joe Concepts
2024-09-23 13:48:39 +0000 UTCIt’s also the entire focus of the episode teaser, which isn’t everything but is something.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 13:39:34 +0000 UTCActually, I think whatever the episode is titled after objectively makes it the A plot. I can't think of an example otherwise. This episode is titled "The Loss" which specifically refers to the Troi plot. The A plot is also typically the plot that everyone remembers the episode for. This episode is known as "the one where Deanna loses her powers," not "the one with the 2D aliens." So I think it's fair to call the Deanna plot the A plot here. It just so happend that in this episode, the A plot was a direct result of the B plot.
BN13
2024-09-23 13:30:21 +0000 UTCI do like what this episode is trying to depict with disabilities. This is the reaction most of us would have if we suddenly lost a crucial sense like hearing or sight, or lost a limb or something. And as others have said, many people DO have this reaction, and that reaction is totally understandable. It takes a special person to handle a hard situation like that with grace, healthliy adapt to the situation, and not be resentful of either the disability itself, or abled people. Most of us are not that strong. I also love the idea of 2D organisms. My problem with this episode is it's execution. The episode unfortunately makes it hard for me to sympathize with Troi because the situation comes across as someone who has lost their sense of smell while living with people who have never smelled their entire life. She handles this by telling all the diabled people around her that they can never understand how wonderful it was to smell and how devastating it is to loose that ability, which is very insensitive to the diabled people's experience and implies that they are inferior for never knowing what it was like to smell. It also implies that her problems will always be far worse than theirs, and to futher this idea, she refuses to accept anyone's help because "they can't possibly understand what she's going through." Then she claims that she can no longer do her job because of this, when her job clearly doesn't require her to smell, and she has a ton of resources available to her to help her cope with the loss of smell. Then she accuses them all of treating her differently now because she has a disability when literally NO ONE is doing that except herself, so we have self-projection going on too. It's like, yeah, that sucks, but seriously? This episode makes you feel like she's over reacting, and making this a way worse deal than it is. Then again, you could say that about actual disabled people as well, and they are perfectly justified in reacting that way even if they handle things "badly." So maybe this episode has more to say about coping with a disability than I originally thought.
BN13
2024-09-23 11:31:00 +0000 UTCFrom a type theory perspective, this is the episode that convinces me that Troi is a Sensor Type, not an Intuitive Type. Ironically, the Counselor Type is an Intuitive Type. You know who is the Counselor Type? Guinan. Guinan is next level intuition. Troi though? The thought of using intuition to figure out what's going on with people and counsel them, which is supposed to be what counselors DO, absolutely terrifies her to the point where she's convinced that she's unqualified for her job now because she's convinced she doesn't have intuitive ability. We now know that she's been completely relying on a SENSE, something concrete, to approximate what someone like Guinan does naturally through abstraction. Factor this in with most of her psychological advice sounding like it was memorized from a book, and yeah, Sensor Type confirmed. Not the best type for a counselor by the way. I agree with some others that it might have been best if they used this episode as a turning point for Troi and kept her loss of empathetic ability permanent. The writers never knew how to fully take advantage of that ability anyway, so not having to worry about it anymore would prevent potential plotholes of having to come up with a reason why Troi isn't there. Plus it could have been a huge path of character development for Deanna.
BN13
2024-09-23 10:41:01 +0000 UTCI got you, but people are still commenting it this morning lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 10:33:02 +0000 UTCSomething that occurred to me just now—in this episode they encounter two-dimensional life forms. And in the last episode, Riker and the crew forgot about the third dimension and flew through an asteroid belt instead of around it.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-09-23 10:02:48 +0000 UTCEveryone has their own internal feelings and ideas about rating a story, but “Final Mission”—I was bored almost every single scene. This one, every scene involving the Troi plot was interesting, emotional, insightful, and well-performed. Even not being one of the best episodes, I was expecting an overall better score than “Picard and Wesley trudge through the desert and Riker disposes of hazardous waste very slowly.”
Aramis Calcutt
2024-09-23 10:00:57 +0000 UTCBut honestly, yeah. When I posted, there were zero other comments showing. And it was the only one showing after posting. I was wondering why there were no other comments. There really does seem to be some sort of lag.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-09-23 09:52:51 +0000 UTC*Sacred Chalice of Rixx
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:46:51 +0000 UTC@Paul Show me a sci-fi plot that isn't contrived. 😀
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:43:39 +0000 UTCIt was very clear that "nobody, and I mean nobody, gets headaches anymore" which is absurd, especially with people later having headaches *without* that reaction. Medical science may improve in treating the many causes of headaches, but to write that they never happen is not very sensible. It wasn't exactly "what's a headache?" but it might as well have been.
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:40:51 +0000 UTCHan shot first!
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:36:22 +0000 UTCI believe the last time we saw either of them use the term is in "Shades of Grey".
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:34:26 +0000 UTCSome people get over those feelings, some people do not. It is very sad how mal-adjusted some disabled people can be.
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:29:11 +0000 UTC👎
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:26:40 +0000 UTCHaving been around blind or deaf people all my life, including immediate family members, you are spot on. And there are two types of such people: people who hold a grudge against everyone else (i.e. "the normies"), and people who don't.
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:26:19 +0000 UTCTroi was the "B" plot. Without the 2D beings and their "A" plot, there would be no "B" plot.
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:24:25 +0000 UTC1:10:00 I am comforted to know that a certain future episode will blow your mind.
Jovet
2024-09-23 08:22:17 +0000 UTCI think I rated this a c or do. But on watching it now I'm thinking a strong c+ or even solid b.
Greg Quinn
2024-09-23 07:15:21 +0000 UTCI think when this episode came out the thought amongst scientists and doctors may have been that people's senses improving to compensate was a myth. But the current state of the theory is that your brain will build additional pathways for the other senses so your other senses will intact improve.
Greg Quinn
2024-09-23 07:14:02 +0000 UTCWhat im about to say is from season one so not a spoiler. Riker didn't say "I'm sorry" fast, he said "Imzadi". It's what they call each other, betozid word that roughly translates to "beloved" but it can apply to both romantic love and platonic.
Greg Quinn
2024-09-23 07:09:25 +0000 UTCAs one who became visually impaired 16 years ago (blind in one eye and I don't see very well out of the other) I can tell you that my night hearing and my underwater smelling ability have greatly improved. : )
thebeefmaster
2024-09-23 05:47:54 +0000 UTCOver the last, almost, 34 years I have seen this episode at least 8 to 10 times. It was always a C at best to me. I felt that Troi was kind of annoying and that Riker overreacted with some of his comments. I don't recall Troi ever holding herself out as superior to or better than anyone else. Now, if Riker had been dealing with Lwaxana he would have been quite right. Speaking of Lwaxana, can you imagine if she had been in this episode? Yikes!!! After this latest viewing with you, I have softened my take on Troi. Her loss was not like the loss of vision, hearing or a limb. I would liken it more closely to Alzheimer's. I have seen people that I have known for many years who were stable loving people, go through fits of rage, sobbing uncontrollably or grasping at something about themselves that they know should be there but it isn't there now. New rating B-.
thebeefmaster
2024-09-23 05:32:46 +0000 UTCRiker actually says "Imzadi" which is Betazed for "beloved" or somesuch. Basically like their pet name for each other. Man, the SHOW ships these two so hard sometimes. But despite this episode just kind of being average, Frakes and Sirtis have a heck of a lot of chemistry and their scene together is just fantastic. You believe these two are former lovers, now friends, and may once again be more...or will they? Loved the reaction, and I agree that this episode had some really good ideas and bits but never really gelled.
Paul O'Neal
2024-09-23 05:13:37 +0000 UTCYeah I thought she was great and surprised so many don’t think so
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 05:11:01 +0000 UTCIt’s not our thing, but I think it’s really cool that people interested in those topics are able to enjoy them through this show. Totally get it
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 05:09:38 +0000 UTCI know you don't like what you call "technobabble", but one of the things that I enjoy about Star Trek and Science Fiction in general is that the science is valid. What they are telling you about the cosmic string is actually from theories about cosmic strings from the scientific community. Maybe you don't find this as interesting because the "new" science we learn about in TNG episodes is actually 30 years old. But I think it is a great way to learn about various scientific (and in other episodes sociological science) theories and ideas that one may not have been exposed to in regular life. And in the case of this episode, exposes the viewer to what people with disabilities experience by giving someone you care about and relate to a disability.
Stevtrek
2024-09-23 04:52:57 +0000 UTCi never liked this episode and thought her acting was awful
David Marcoot
2024-09-23 04:27:03 +0000 UTCNot my favorite but I really appreciate that it gave Marina Sirtis some breathing room to act in, and Troi's change in "abilities" gave her mind the chance to be creative in new ways, and exercise some lateral thinking, to help solve the crisis they were in.
Vina
2024-09-23 04:23:16 +0000 UTCWorth it for the Guinan scene
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 04:19:02 +0000 UTCShe didn’t say “what’s a headache?” She knew what it was, she was surprised because they are so rare in the future that they are essentially eradicated which I think makes sense tbh.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 04:16:39 +0000 UTCPSYCHO-TROI!!
Darin Wagner
2024-09-23 04:11:02 +0000 UTCTotal bitch "bad patient" Troi really does it for me. 🤩
Jovet
2024-09-23 04:08:37 +0000 UTCSpeaking as a person who went blind after the age of 40 and has been for almost 16. Years, I can directly address the idea that your hearing improves after blindness. Ther is no magic hearing, you don’t suddenly turn into a son of Krypton and gain super hearing The hearing itself is exactly the same, but as a survival skill you pay more attention to what you hear. I appreciate Deanna’s calling out of that particular myth There ways to compensate including putting a lot of heavy lifting on computers and AI tech
Thicketdweller
2024-09-23 04:07:27 +0000 UTCIn the dark, uphill both ways
Jeffrey
2024-09-23 04:01:38 +0000 UTCDon’t forget Deanna told her mother the Sacred Chalice of Reigs was just a clay pot with mold growing in it.
Thicketdweller
2024-09-23 03:59:02 +0000 UTC12:26 That whole "what's a headache" thing early on was so stupid. And it's been retconned about 20 times.
Jovet
2024-09-23 03:58:30 +0000 UTCDon’t forget they only had 4 minutes to write each episode
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 03:54:47 +0000 UTCThere is a book called Flatland, by Abbott Abbott or abbotsquared. (Can’t find a super script to add to the text.). The book is about 2 dimensional beings living in a 2 dimensional world it is cool but a brain breaker.
Thicketdweller
2024-09-23 03:54:13 +0000 UTCPaul gets it. For the record the idea of the species was interesting and TOS-esque.. but they didn’t do anything cool with it imo.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 03:53:32 +0000 UTCI came away with a new appreciation for this episode that I found surprising since in the past I was generally indifferent about it. Maybe it’s because I’m much older now than when I first watched it. It’s part of the beauty of Star Trek that you can see episodes from many different perspectives as the years go by. I felt much more sympathetic to Deanna than I have in previous viewings. Good character development and top notch reasoning by our crew to solve a problem without having to harm another species. A thought provoking and entertaining Trek.
Jonathan Llyr
2024-09-23 03:47:06 +0000 UTCRiker called her "Imzadi" which is Betazed for "beloved" It's a call back to the pilot episode Encounter at Farpoint and has been used in a few other episodes.
Randy Benton
2024-09-23 03:46:27 +0000 UTCImzadi, it is the betazoid phrase for lover as spoken in the episode encounter at farpoint
Thicketdweller
2024-09-23 03:46:03 +0000 UTCYep, I say that too
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 03:40:56 +0000 UTCThe scary part is this isn't even the worst Troi episode. It's bad but there are worse to come.
Spencer Loften
2024-09-23 03:37:56 +0000 UTCIf there's a generic sci-fi plot that seems contrived and random, that's usually going to bring down the episode for them a notch. I imagine they'd have rated this more of a B, maybe even A tier, had Diana's affliction been caused by something else, and 90% of the episode was focused on her grief & how she dealt with it.
Paul
2024-09-23 03:34:19 +0000 UTCIt's a lack of empathy, or the lack of effort to picture themselves in that situation.
Paul
2024-09-23 03:32:29 +0000 UTCI rate this higher than most do, mostly for the Troi scenes and dealing with the trauma that it would be to lose one of your senses suddenly, not knowing if it'll ever return. I think most people want to believe they'd handle that with grace and integrity, but I know I'd personally become feral if say I lost my sight. I'd be known as the deranged blind man. But the episode overall is still solid for me because I've always been a sucker for that kind of generic sci-fi plot. The nerd in me is giddy just at the concept of a 2D being affecting a 3D ship. What a cool idea.
Paul
2024-09-23 03:29:01 +0000 UTCAgreed. Pretty much all he does is call her out on being accustomed to having an element of control in her interactions which has been taken away. The last thing someone used to being in control wants to be confronted with. So, when she puffs up in response, he pushes a deflate button -- a pretty well marked one for the daughter of the Daughter of the 5th House... etc. etc.
Avaria
2024-09-23 03:26:38 +0000 UTCYour inbox's funeral. Lol.
Nolan
2024-09-23 03:23:06 +0000 UTCDidn't somebody send you guys that non cannon book titled Imzadi.
Keith S
2024-09-23 03:21:00 +0000 UTCA common criticism of this episode is "Deanna Troi has a giant hissy fit the entire time." As someone who actually had sudden onset of a life-altering, technically disabling condition when I was 20, I think it's a pretty accurate representation of someone experiencing the denial, anger and bargaining phases of grief (which, despite typical depictions are not necessarily separate or sequential) while scared completely out of her flipping gourd. If you watch her body language, she's amazingly tense the whole time. Riker even says he's never seen her so scared. They spend a lot of time comparing it to blindness, but the way Troi herself describes it seems like not only blindness, but simultaneously losing touch and taste as well. Definitely overwhelming, especially in the first couple of days, which is as long as the episode lasted. This is one I both relate to and appreciate more than I did when it first aired.
Avaria
2024-09-23 03:18:39 +0000 UTCMy thought on Riker was he was taking the "tough-love" approach with Deanna when she was being so anger-mixed-with-self-pity.
Collin Freeman
2024-09-23 03:16:44 +0000 UTCI agree with Alex about the attitude of Troi in the episode: I would be a dick, too, if I lost 1 of my senses. I mean, this whole episode only goes over a few days. Over time, I imagine those feelings of anger and unfairness would likely leave, but the first few months (or weeks at least) - not fun to be around. Yes, absolutely.
Collin Freeman
2024-09-23 03:15:31 +0000 UTCAgreed!
Josef Nitervol
2024-09-23 03:00:48 +0000 UTCOh it’s going in the cut lmao
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 02:59:28 +0000 UTCThe universe loves a good jinx.
Avaria
2024-09-23 02:58:56 +0000 UTCSo obviously that's not gonna make the youtube cut. Unless Josh is a masochist.
Nolan
2024-09-23 02:53:32 +0000 UTCIt's funny. During the watch you guys seemed to have positive reactions to almost all the scenes so I was surprised at the low scores.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-09-23 02:46:33 +0000 UTCThe concept is cool and the acting is great. I think it could have been improved with Deanna's powers adapting, like any sense, and her not realizing that's what's happening. Like if you had to see in the dark for the first time or try to hear with extreme tinnitus for the first time. And have her not realize that it was coming back because it never had to be utilized that way. But nope, the threat goes away and they're magically back. Meh.
THE LORE!!!
2024-09-23 02:45:52 +0000 UTCI am sorry you are getting bombarded with "Imzadi" messages but it's absolute gold to me that everyone thinks they're the first one. Every time I refresh the comment section out of curiosity, there's more! Hahaha.
THE LORE!!!
2024-09-23 02:40:42 +0000 UTCI forgot about this episode.
Crush
2024-09-23 02:40:10 +0000 UTCRiker said "Imzadi" not "I'm sorry". They've been calling each other that since the first episode
E Parhas
2024-09-23 02:37:13 +0000 UTCRiker said "Imzadi," which is the term that she used to address him in their first scene together in the pilot. It means something like "beloved.". On Paramount the subtitles say " Imazdi" also.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-09-23 02:34:14 +0000 UTCYou know, Ive thought about this a few times, but its almost like Guinan is better at counseling than Troi. Yikes. Guinan almost steals her thunder. Imagine Troi having all the wise scenes Guinan had? I just pondered that a couple of times. Its tough because I bet behind the scenes they were like ‘Guinan is better than Troi, but we don’t have the heart to fire Marina. Lets try to give Marina more to do’. Its a pickle for the writers.
Chris S.
2024-09-23 02:33:43 +0000 UTCWhat, you mean when I'm watching a video, it's not the world premiere and I'm ahead of the curve? Naw, that just doesn't make sense. It's my first time seeing it, so that means it's the first time anyone has seen it, obviously.
Nolan
2024-09-23 02:25:10 +0000 UTCImzadi is a Betazed word
Who Cares reallly
2024-09-23 02:23:20 +0000 UTCnah I am pretty sure its like soulmate but they can also use it more genaric for platonic love. I know they used it earlier in the show in the episode where they got kidnapped. and there is a non cannon book series about it.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-09-23 02:20:45 +0000 UTCAs soon as I got to Alex talking about mishearing Imzadi as "I'm sorry" I knew I had to refresh the comment section and see how many people had to mention it after the first time. Didn't disappoint. We should also remind them that this was 90s episodic TV, Majel Barret was the voice of the computer, etc.
THE LORE!!!
2024-09-23 02:20:10 +0000 UTC"After the last episode all we can go is up." Really? Retroactive back to the original air date I now directly blame you for this episode.
Matt Newmark
2024-09-23 02:19:43 +0000 UTCRiker said “imzadi,” what they called each other on occasion. It is dubbed, so very easily sounds like “I’m sorry.”
tyranusfan
2024-09-23 02:17:45 +0000 UTCGuinan really should've gotten the job
Tony B
2024-09-23 02:15:13 +0000 UTCDon’t blame Patreon lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-09-23 02:11:44 +0000 UTCWell, at least there’s episode 11 coming up next.
Brian Moore
2024-09-23 02:10:07 +0000 UTCI still think that the acting in this was top knotch
Colin Fair Wells
2024-09-23 02:08:48 +0000 UTCNo it’s a Matte Painting done on location which is the coolest set
Mister Hope
2024-09-23 02:07:04 +0000 UTCAlso, 6 people just commented the same thing at the same time cause Patreon doesn't auto update comments, sorry 'bout the spam Josh. 😅
Nolan
2024-09-23 02:06:23 +0000 UTCI thought it meant "first love?"
BN13
2024-09-23 02:04:42 +0000 UTCRiker wasn't saying "I'm sorry". He was saying "Imzadi" which is their name for each other from their prior relationship. It means something like "beloved" in the Betazoid language. I don't think we have heard either of them say this since season 1.
Mister Hope
2024-09-23 02:04:04 +0000 UTCAnd Nurse Chapel is the voice of the computer.
Brian Moore
2024-09-23 02:03:42 +0000 UTCImzadi means like 'my love' its like soul mate or something like that.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-09-23 02:03:13 +0000 UTCHey guys, Riker was calling her "Imzadi", and also D.C. Fontana is a woman.
Steven Linden
2024-09-23 01:59:47 +0000 UTCRiker said "Imzadi," the Betazoid word for "beloved" and a term only used between people with a strong connection. It's a call back to the pilot. Riker and Troi meet on the ship again after years, and Troi telepathically calls Riker that.
Nolan
2024-09-23 01:57:34 +0000 UTCRiker was calling Deanna Imzadi. It's a Betazoid term he's called her before (maybe she called him this word too?). I always understood it to have something to do with them as former lovers, and a quick Internet search just now says that it's a term of endearment, commonly translated as “beloved” or “my beloved”. Also, I always felt like maybe there should have been a scene where Troi and Data discuss her condition, given how she never can read him anyway. Maybe even as simple as her realizing when she’s alone with him, that still feels the same as always, which might have been comforting.
Forbidden Donut
2024-09-23 01:57:12 +0000 UTCI don’t know if I’d go THAT far, but definitely makes it more difficult to relate to her character.
Pokeysaurus
2024-09-23 01:56:37 +0000 UTCYeah I just skipped this one also and went to the white boards. I'm self consoled with the fact that most of the rest of the season is very good.
Monty Crawford
2024-09-23 01:45:40 +0000 UTCThis could have been great, but Deanna is so insufferable in this one. Imagine talking about how terrible it is being blind on a ship full of blind people. I get that this is a very real reaction lots of people can have if they're suddenly disabled. But when literally everyone else around you has lived their entire life with that same disability and is there for you as a support system, that kind of reaction feels unwarranted and elitest.
BN13
2024-09-23 01:32:46 +0000 UTCYeah, it's a sub-par Deanna episode, but there's some cool stuff going on here. I think the 2-D alien life form is a cool sci-fi hook, and look: I've got a taste for some of the campier elements of TNG, so I can't help but love Deanna freaking the fuck out on Doctor Crusher, and also Guinan laying down her classic passive-aggressive bitch slap that out-counsellors Counsellor Troi. :)
ScotchBeard78
2024-09-23 01:26:42 +0000 UTCThat's 45 minutes of your lives you'll never get back. =P
James Knight
2024-09-23 01:25:33 +0000 UTC*skips to the white boards* Yep. See you Thursday!
Phil Ken Sebben
2024-09-23 00:59:23 +0000 UTC
