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In that same time. 1980-83 there was a TV series from Britain called Sapphire and steel, which was a very unusual and interesting science fiction show more of a science fantasy but it’s surreal. Nature made it very fun. Joanna Lumley was hot as sapphire. And David McCallum was excellent as Steal who eventually became known for a movie called baby driver?

Thicketdweller

What the fuck dude.

Justin Craig

Yeah, get the Star Wars fans to watch the Peter Cushing Doctor Who movies or episodes. I think I saw a bit of those. Those 1965-66 movies are probably very slow and might be meant for kids though. Peter Cushing and Robin Williams were probably two of the most famous miniatures wargame players. He was also a member of the British Model Soldier Society, owning at least 5000 soldier models. Here is video showing off his hobby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEC7dsFlvIE

Chtphr Rrr

Nope, it is a specific type of humor you can like or not. The first couple seasons of course start off slow, but still funny.

Eric Wilson

PS the first two episodes of the series really set the premise together although they’re a little ludicrous and that they were trying to differentiate themselves as a sci-fi parody from Doctor Who, which was the show. They were basically replacing at the time only episode in season five that I think is actually good is, waiting for God God it’s been a long time since I read that but following the evolution of cat is great and cat is in my opinion the character that carries the show in the first two seasons until Kryten is solidified into character by the actor what was his name, Doug Llewellyn?

Thicketdweller

Personally, I will not blow you guys shit for not enjoying red dwarf, I’ve had a lifetime of British culture exposure and it is definitely kind of a niche thing either you have grown up with it and you’re comfortable with it or you’re actually from England and it’s just been part of my life all along However, things like Doctor Who and red dwarf, as someone has already commented are much like a stage play being presented as a television show and it does require that you put your willing suspension of disbelief in front of the bad effects the bad sound the bad lighting, the bad, the bad the bad. But also at the time that was all coming out on a six 40 x 480 TV That you couldn’t rewind and see all the flaws so badly and it has more forgivable aspects. Looking back at it now in 4K crystal clear UHD you know it looks not only cheap but you know what you could’ve done this with a group of kindergartners. So I respect your opinion and I hope that in return your respect that as I grew up in this thing was presented to me, it was something that I could easily accept While not finding it to be the best science fiction ever it wasn’t excellent science fiction parody I will never blow you guys shit for not liking some thing that I like. After all, it’s the differences between us that make the journey worth the effort

Thicketdweller

You should really check out the life of Brian, and the meaning of life both are excellent examples of Monty Python at the movies

Thicketdweller

I started watching Doctor Who in 1972 with my uncle as repeats of the second Doctor stories on Saturday nights on public television in my hometown, Rarely did you see the tardis in that era and there weren’t any Daleks in the episodes I saw there was the yeti there was the great intelligence. There was yeti in the, London underground, there was the doctor facing a doppelgänger of himself who was the dictator of earth in 1990-1999 according to that timeline at that time During that same time. I was seeing the Peter Cushing movies of Doctor Who in the Daleks and there was the tardis and there were daleks, but the doctor was just you know a site character almost compared to the way that they made ian Chesterton and Barbara so prominent in the story . Then I revisit Doctor Who around 1980 not really connecting either of these two things to the show that is on PBS on Sunday nights around 10 o’clock with this curly haired guy name Tom Baker and again I watch a whole bunch of episodes and not connected to these things I watched when I was five years old and a couple years goes by and I catch a different repeat that has Daleks in it where Tom Baker is going back in time to the Genesis of the Daleks and at that point I see invasion of earth 2150 with Peter Cushing then connect all of this Doctor Who stuff together all at once and then start in 1982 going to the library and getting Doctor Who books and Recording Doctor Who on PBS on Sunday afternoons for the next five years In 1987 Sarah, Sutton and Elizabeth Sladden came to my town with a Doctor Who Hoovie and tour and I got to meet them and go to that event. I’ve been a Doctor Who fan for a very long time

Thicketdweller

Chicken vindaloo

Thicketdweller

2:15 Watching this part with Alex at 1.5× speed is hilarious!!

Jovet

Bravo - that’s quite possibly the most condescending remark I’ve ever seen on social media…

Brian Dunleavy

It took me about 25 years to figure out that Tikka To Ride is named for Tikka Masala and was not just some weird spelling. I think England and London had a much greater percentage of East Indians and Pakistanis in the 1990s as compared to the US.

Chtphr Rrr

(cont.) There are also different types of comedy. My friend's science fiction fan mother who was born in England and is old enough to remember the 1940 Battle of Britain liked Red Dwarf, Star Trek, and Doctor Who, but I remember that I mentioned that I liked some episodes of this interesting comedy called Malcolm in the Middle where all of the characters were quite angry. She said that she had no interest in watching a comedy about angry people. Today that show is sometimes best remember as the show that Bryan Cranston worked on for years before taking on a very serious role on Breaking Bad. Interestingly, the television Malcolm in the Middle was created by Linwood Boomer, the same person who was in charge of the pilot for the U.S. version of Red Dwarf; in both versions Lister was played by an actor named Craig and Rimmer was played by an actor named Chris. Linwood Boomer is perhaps best known for playing the blind teacher Adam Kendall on the television show Little House on the Prairie in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Chtphr Rrr

I grew up with Red Dwarf. As a teenager I loved it. As a 41 year old I can see its flaws now but I still have a soft spot for it. When it's great it's really great though. I don't think you should attempt to watch the series, even starting from a later point, but I'd certainly be interested to see how you found some later episodes. I think a good one-off episode would be S7 E1 - Tikka To Ride. Series 7 overall is widely disliked by fans because the style is so different to everything that came before it, but that episode alone is pretty great as a standalone episode. Just don't use it as a jumping in point to continue watching from. If you want to see some more modern British humour I'd suggest Spaced. It's 14 episodes in total across two series (seasons) between 1999 to 2001 and was the forerunner of Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, etc.

Greg

(cont.) I see that some have commented that Season 3 of Red Dwarf is the place to start. Maybe that's a better idea for most people. I remember one British comedy show where I had a similar reaction, and that was Blackadder. There are really only four 6-episode seasons of that show. I think I would rate the first season as about a 2 or 3 out of 10 and the rest of the seasons as an 8-10; Rowan Atkinson seemed to be playing a sinister version of his Mr. Bean character in the first season, and that didn't work at all in my opinion. Fawlty Towers is often rated as about the best British comedy series ever, but it only consists of 12 episodes from 1975 and 1979. As I remember in that series John Cleese's lead character was more evil than helpless in those first few episodes with evil eyebrows in the same way that Spock's eyebrows were more dramatic in the pilot episodes. When I was little, I remember watching some of 4th and 5th doctor rerun episodes of Doctor Who which would have been filmed between 1974-1984, but I think I just watched it extremely casually as there was no other science fiction on at the time; I don't think many people liked the 6th doctor. There was a 52-episode British science fiction show called Blake's 7 from 1978–1981, but I know little of that show.

Chtphr Rrr

I’ll let people find the Oxford dictionary definition of this word for themselves if they don’t believe me, However, smegma is the combined remnants of semen and urine trapped inside the folds of skin from an uncircumcised penis, Yes, it was shocking, yes, it was bold, no, it had nothing to do with shit

Thicketdweller

You might just be a contrarian or have very specific tastes. All of the shows you mentioned—whether or not I personally like each of them—have several justifiable reasons for popularity, whether it’s good writing or humor or innovation or performances or the charisma of the actors. The shows you mentioned can’t be boiled down to the singular traits you mentioned. They each have things that can actually justify their appeal. And each of the shows you mentioned also has a sense of comedy that was at the peak of its appropriate time period (comedy style being highly tied to its era). Red Dwarf has none of those. It’s not just a popular show that somehow escapes your personal taste. It’s just bad, even for its era.

Aramis Calcutt

Not under...

Nolan

I find a lot of immensely popular television shows (and films and their franchises) to be utter garbage. I can't stand eye-roll irony ("A tough-girl vampire slayer named Buffy"), cliché 20-30-somethings who are the models of pretension ("Friends", "Seinfeld"), genuine just nasty asshole people (Larry David, Woody Allen), or canned perfect people ("The Cosby Show"). For starters.

Jovet

I have tried Red Dwarf. I have seen episodes from the later 'better' seasons. It's all trash. There's good British absurdist humor (Monty Python) and then there's Red Dwarf. But I'm glad it exists. It exposes the hidden flawed characters of people you thought you respected when they tell you they are fans.

#MaxwellDidNothingWrong

@Avaria Reminds me of another fan-favorite sci-fi/Star Trek parody that one of the Trek captains refused to see, at first...

Jovet

I always thought Smeg=Shit, and Smeghead=Shithead Shows what I know.

Jovet

I have so many long-time friends who love Red Dwarf. That’s the point at which I look at them and say, “Who are you people? Do I even know you?” Everything you said in this review perfectly expresses my feelings about this terrible terrible show.

Aramis Calcutt

I could poke my eyes out to not watch this, I'd rather be watching "The Young Ones".

PFCoffey

So glad you didn't bury this video! I had the exact same reaction when I watched that episode after it being recommended by a friend. I was quite shocked at how terrible it was. (I haven't watched any more)

Mosquito_Wenzi

Red Dwarf is weird

marty63026

I would say "wait for season 3" but you already know this cliche haha

Jiri Luza

Season 1 sucks balls. The character work was so heavy handed - Craig Charles was an unknown 'street poet' and hadn't acted before. They find their feet by season 3 and become a pretty tight ensemble with great scripts. The crew are *not* likeable, but you will become fond of them in spite of that. Crighton the android is as scene-stealing as Commander Data and he's hilarious (the first actor to play him only lasts one episode and is replaced). Some of the stories are the best sci-fi you'll ever watch. Really clever. Lots of Twilight Zone moments. Look for the Kennedy assassination one, it's incredible. This is Patrick Stewarts favourite sci-fi show.

Gavin Scott

Also I would like to point out that as early 80's british fare goes the word 'Smeghead' was decidedly crude, and shocking for the live audience at the time...eliciting more shocked laughter than it was worth. It's the reason GenX boys can regale you with the hilarity of Benny Hill, when it was just a clown parade of boobs set to yackety sax I argue it wasn't a substitution word as much as a Catchphrase expected by a thatcher-era repressed live British audience to make them laff louder. Thatcher has red dwarf in her ledger

Blu Holbein

Nollie....Smeg is to Cum...not Fuq....it's Cumhead. To be more exact it is short for Smegma, which is skin cells, dirt, body oils sweat, urine & cum on your genitalia...Dick Cheese. Btw...my son's name is Nolan....so I'm gonna guess...under 34 yo? Did I guess it? Seriously...Not a dig...kinda seeing if it was a time period thing...love that name. Edit: profile Pic is REBOOT, soooo...Bingo! Btw...Love Reboot.

Blu Holbein

I have Jeremy tattooed on my arm, and I have his autograph

Blu Holbein

Fawlty Towers is universal, even the Germans like it and use THE quotes! XD

James Knight

Huh. Then you DO have taste. I keed, I keed. It's fine, it's just not for you. At least, this first episode isn't. I will say, unlike TNG where people said it doesn't get good until S3, the shift in this show is definitely not as subtle as that. It's Jarringly different. Red Dwarf isn't for you. But it might also not be for you, for now. Maybe somepoint later on, you'll come back to it and like it, who knows. I'm just interested in the why. People like one thing, but not another, that FASCINATES me. My brain likes dissecting that. Another Reaction channel started Red Dwarf with only the context it was British and sci-fi. They were also thrown by it and what it was. They're now 10 seasons in. The difference in response interests me.

Nolan

We both love Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Josh (Target Audience)

I've forgotten if you've said before what your experience with British humor and culture is. Is this your first taste of it? Cause RD S1 might not be the best lead-in, tbh. Like, have you seen Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, etc? Mr. Bean? I'd suggest Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but I don't know if I want to risk a movie-length reaction like this, lol.

Nolan

I am with you guys. Hated this show, made it through 3 (I think) because I was almost forced to, years ago and never again. Honestly, I had hard time watching this 1 hour 8 minute review of it here. wait that was only 18 minutes. WOW

Prof Moff

People growing up in the "golden era" of television considered a live, studio audience a good thing, and a laugh track with its "canned laughter" fake and ridiculous, even downright annoying. My my, how times change.

Jovet

That's how I feel about BSG!

Jovet

I like its quirkiness, and self-depreciating humor (humour?). British humor is, obviously, more complex than just "dry." Sometimes it's just silly, and sometimes it's pretty darn wet.

Jovet

Fair review. The show is iconic for a generation. But, like Classic Doctor Who, I believe you have to either really enjoy BBC productions from this 70's/80's era and are able to overlook aspects, or you grew up and this was your childhood entertainment. I have found if you approach the BBC stuff from that era like they are stage shows on Broadway and Theater, it works (because they are basically filmed that way). But, I never once thought this would be something you two would get into. Good on you for giving it a shot and putting out this video.

StonyD

Watch Sherlock Holmes 1984-94 with Jeremey Brett

Josef Nitervol

seriously though guys, you gotta get to season 3 thats when it starts getting good.

Smokey C

Red Dwarf is one of my all-time favorite shows, but it's very steeped in the era and in British comedy and that doesn't always translate well across the pond. You guys didn't vibe with another of my all-time favourite shows (Buffy) either so I guess our interests mainly intersect on Star Trek (which is more than fine!) Like Buffy though, Red Dwarf does take some time to get going. Season 3 is a soft reboot and they up the budget from 50 quid an episode to almost double that!

Menty

Red Dwarf was a staple of my early teens all the way through school. It was a talking point in the playground. You did *not* miss Red Dwarf. In later life I have had to ban quoting Red Dwarf from conversations with my best friends because entire discourse can descend into nothing but rounds of Red Dwarf quotes. It is *extremely* British, and the humour is very much rooted in British class politics. It *did not work* when they tried to produce an American pilot (with, I might add, one of the main cast of Deep Space Nine). It features some of my favourite episodes of sci-fi of all time, and also packs in some seriously good concepts (Polymorph, Quarantine, Back to Reality, anyone?) it rightfully holds a place alongside Doctor Who as a cult British sci-fi property. That being said, seasons 1 and 2 SUCK.

Chris Christison

I love red dwarf. But as I said before I didn't think it was something you guys would like. It's a sitcom, live audience, British humor, etc. it's a niche watch for sure. I was not sure your experience with those things, but also didn't want to spoil what it was just in case. I'm not surprised by this at all :)

s0rd3z

(continued, ran out of room) It might be a show aimed at Generation X unmarried folk, mostly young men. I guess my brother never liked the show, but he is of an older generation, and I swear he largely lost his sense of humor after he got married. (I did see some college-age Red Dwarf fan girls do some reaction videos to Red Dwarf, but I think their only complaint was that some of the episodes have scenes that are extremely gross but which I never noticed as a guy.) However, I know that Patrick Stewart, Bill Clinton, and Stephen Hawking were big fans of Red Dwarf. Personally, I found Star Trek: The Next Generation to be way too dry, scientific, and humorless, among having a dozen other very serious problems, so I enjoyed Red Dwarf BECAUSE I was largely disappointed in Star Trek: The Next Generation. One of the earliest 1988 Red Dwarf episodes was almost completely ripped off and reworked as a Season 4 Star Trek: The Next Generation episode. I guess we will find out if you like that episode soon.

Chtphr Rrr

Red Dwarf is easily my favorite show, although the original Star Trek could arguably be #1 as it affected so much of science fiction and American culture. I guess I shouldn't watch your reaction since you hated it so much. It sounds like you REALLY hated it, but the only saving suggestion that I might say is that the first two episodes are really connected with the first episode being a unique introductory episode. The second episode has an interesting science fiction premise that I thought was really neat. In fact, I think that was the episode I saw first. I was flipping channels and saw this show on PBS around 1990. What in the world is this?!!! I was completely lost. Seasons 1 and 2 are about isolation (and look cheap). Seasons 3-6 are a more conventional science fiction-type of show. Seasons 7 and 8 were kind of half good and were filmed after they came back from about a 4-year break, but episodes after that really seemed to go down hill. My only complaint with the show is the complaint that I have with all British television shows of the period in that it has terrible audio. That with the accents and the British references makes things difficult. I don't know that I noticed that they talked super fast. Perhaps that only happens at times. I remember that I kind of enjoyed the television show 30 Rock, but I remember that I kind found it quite irritating too as the actors spoke so quickly, and brain hadn't yet processed the previous joke. It sounds like that sort of thing happened to the two of you. However, I was used to Monty Python where John Cleese described many of his written comedy sketches as essentially two actors speaking quickly by throwing thesauruses at each other.

Chtphr Rrr

To echo some of the previous comments, it’s a shame that you weren’t warned not to start at the pilot - season three onwards was so much better… Maybe it’s just a British style comedy thing - and I’d bet it now makes sense as to why the US pilot failed… 🤣

Brian Dunleavy

Season 1 and 2 are crap and for a variety of reasons were not what the creators wanted or expected. I first started watching from Season 3 (which was a soft reboot anyway) as a kid and watched the earlier stuff later. Seasons 1-2…uh. Seasons 3-6 are amazing. Season 7-8 are mixed. Season 9 is not bad Season 10 to whatever season they are on now - not as good as 3-6 but okay. Make of that what you will. 😂

Jon1701

Although, to be fair, Patrick Stewart's initial reaction to Red Dwarf was negative and defensive, as he thought they were sneering at Star Trek. But he did indeed warm to it after giving it a chance and seeing it for its own thing.

Avaria

If you didn't like Red Dwarf, there is a show called Hyperdrive that is British Scifi comedy that is a way different direction than red dwarf went with its humor.

Eric Wilson

Oh, and yeah. Same actors basically for the most part.

Eric Wilson

So it actually was supposed to be his first day being a hologram. Holly the computer didn't start up the hologram until listen came out of status because he is basically only there to keep lister sane. As it goes on, it gets a lot funnier, the first episode is kind of to lay down background, after a few seasons it gets really good

Eric Wilson

Smeg is to Frak what Frak is F$%$, so your point is that they all call each other F$#@heads. And?

Nolan

Growing up on British TV, even one of their soaps, I'm very used to this very fast paced form of dialogue that's representative of a certain area of Britain. So that's never been overwhelming for me. As for the premise, I think you guys are very deep into the love for Star Trek, where as this is: what if Star Trek, but skewed and not full of "ideal" people? The Last human alive is a gross, idiot slob. He is also the god to a race of cats. That is the joke unfortunately for you. Slight correction, Rimmer only was made a hologram when Lister was unfrozen, so that's why he's unfamiliar with his situation. Not that that matters to you guys at this point. In all fairness, while Series I & II have their fans that like them over the rest of the show, I think a majority of the fans prefer Series 3 to 6, when the production values improved a bit, a fourth/fifth character was added and everyone was more comfortable with the characters. The show IS about unlikable characters they grow a bit and get fleshed out along the way, but they are unlikable. That is ESPECIALLY apparent in Series 1 & 2 where it's a more dialogue based look at this adversarial relationship in the midst of this drab sci-fi trapping In all honesty, "The End" was never an episode of the show I greatly liked. I appreciate it for the set up, and yes, I like the dragged out "Everybody's dead Dave." gag. The very next episode actually starts getting into sci-fi concepts that drive the plots of the episodes, and how these losers deal with them, while still being very dialogue heavy. Series 3 is where they really start being a sci-fi parody show, rather than the twisted Odd Couple in Space. And most of the episodes have either a ridiculous sci-fi plot our characters roll their eyes at, or characterization work. And that's how it continues for the next 10 years. Personally, I prefer shows like Trek where the characters are idealistic examples, and not relatable screw-ups. But there are a few exceptions, Red Dwarf being one. Futurama being another (though that has a LOT of Trek based jokes you aren't quiiiite ready to see) and surprisingly, Archer. All have low-achieving characters and people that continually screw up. Interestingly, my friend identifies with and enjoys watching characters like that a LOT more, and struggles with Trek. Archer was one of his favorite shows. he ate up Red Dwarf. Personally, I find that the main characters of Red Dwarf and Futurama have such an earnest core and good heart, in that they still dream and try, they just fail. A lot. Archer is the exception, that guy is just an a-hole. I know you won't, but I would say, force yourself to give the second episode a chance at some point. If not that, S2E1, S2E6 and then when all else fails, give S3E1 a chance to at least see how different the show got over a series break. There is merit in it. It's probably just not your cup of tea yet. And frankly, worse episode of TV? Did you guys NOT watch Secret Invasion with the rest of us?

Nolan

I felt the same when I saw this first episode way back 1990 on PBS. Then I gave the second episode a chance and have been a fan since. The first six and 1/2 seasons are great IMHO. The same cast is in the entire series with another main cast member being added in a later season. There are many other characters though besides the main four throughout the series. Even though I adore Star Trek, this is the anti-Trek. There’s no beautiful, top-of-the-academy heroes here. It’s bleak, it’s funny, it’s lonely, it’s chaotic and I love it. Patrick Stewart is a fan too. He appeared in a documentary on the making of Red Dwarf made by the BBC. I’d recommend watching more, if just for the views! Another channel Gallifrey Gals gave this show a chance, and their reaction for this episode got twice the views that their most watched TNG reaction got - Best of Both Worlds Part 1! P.S. Rimmer’s hologram wasn’t wandering the ship for 3 million years. Holly the ship’s computer switched Rimmer on soon after he let Dave out of stasis.

John King

I enjoyed it back in the day but I do think it is over hyped

AzoriusMage

Fun fact, How I met your Mother did not have a studio audience, they used a laugh track. They opted against a live audience because of the structure if the show, many jokes use quick flashbacks to previous events for example and that obviously doesn't work live. But they still wanted it to feel like an audience show which is why the sets have no fourth wall and the laugh track was added. Generally I don't think having an audience makes a show worse, like you said Seinfeld had one, so did Cheers, Frasier, Golden Girls, 3rd Rock from the Sun, Mary Tyler Moore, Will & Grace, 227, Murphy Brown, NewsRadio, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Roseanne, Living Single, I Love Lucy, All in the Family and many, many more. Most of these shows are a bit older and audience shows seem to have fallen out of favor a bit but that doesn't make them bad, some all time classics had an audience.

Phillip Grischa

It's nice to know I'm not alone. (I tried - a few times - but just couldn't get through the whole episode. So tried S2 E1 - nope. Done.)

Mushroom-Bagel-Bites

Aw, that's too bad guys. As you say, humor is subjective, so if it's not for you at least you tried. Growing up in the PNW, in my family we looked forward every year to George on PBS bringing us the newest episodes for the annual fundraising telethon. Sometimes the actors would even come in for interviews. Apparently we were one of the biggest US markets. In defense of the show itself, the pilot -- and perhaps the whole of season 1 -- is not especially representative of the series or even the characters. Yes, Lister is the worst possible human on paper; Rimmer is a small, petty fascist; Cat is... insane. Almost none of these guys had acted before, and part of the charm is watching both them and their characters develop into actual people. If you ever dare to try it again, maybe start with season 3? The show itself barely gives 2 figs about its own internal continuity, even season to season, so you honestly wouldn't be missing much of anything. The production values, the writing, and the acting are all significantly improved. We'll hold off smoking your kippers for now, but maybe some year you'll be back for breakfast.

Avaria

Well, like many shows, it does get better after the pilot.... but not much. I saw several episodes many years ago, and I remember it had some funny moments, but those were surrounded by many very unfunny moments. And it all focused on four annoying characters who just insulted each other. And no, not all British humor is high-brow, subtle, and witty. This does have a cult following, so maybe you guys just aren't meant to be members of this particular cult.

Jeff

the best insult in the show is "Smeghead"....dude.

Blu Holbein

Red Dwarf is an awesome sci fi- sci fi paraody Discovered it at the ibrary in the winter of 95-96 checked out all the seasons laughed my ass off The show still continues, and is surprisingly good still.

Thicketdweller

Now do Buckaroo Banzai....no....seriously.

Blu Holbein

Annnnnd that's why I said nothing when it was suggested. *ded* Condolences.

Blu Holbein


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