FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S3E19 - Captain's Holiday
Added 2024-06-27 15:00:09 +0000 UTC
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I finally watched the masterpiece that is Captain's Holiday. I generally try to keep up with the broadcast schedule you put out, but if I know an episode is.. a little subpar, it goes onto the back burner until I have time to pay attention to it. So now that we're in the end-of-season lulls (for the viewers, not for you!) for TNG and DS9 and I'm going through some of the older ones I skipped. I'm even thinking of watching your TOS reactions, which aired before I knew about the channel. Well, this was a fun reaction. Not a fun episode, but you guys made it a fun reaction, and a good discussion. Someone once asked Roger Ebert "oh, you must have really enjoyed trashing that movie" because his bad reviews were so entertaining to read. And he said no, bad movies were frustrating not just because they didn't work, but because he knows the people involved could do better, and he REALLY wanted them to do better. Chip Chalmers ended up directing The Wounded, one of your favorite TNG S4 episodes. Ira Steven Behr ends up writing many of the DS9 stories people go ga-ga for. This is a show that had just put out five bangers in a row. You know they're all capable of doing very good work, so that's why you get more annoyed with what felt like a Season 1 episode. And why a couple of Season 7 episodes will no doubt annoy you too. Thanks for reading this, I have no idea if you have the actual time to go back and read comments to things broadcast over a year ago.
Ian Westcott
2025-07-16 16:28:45 +0000 UTCYou got my name right, which is nice. Also, I didn't mean to indicate that there will be 10 horrible episodes of DS9 like this. Just that the "lead character goes on a break/vacation and an adventure appears" is a trope that the TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT era loved. Sometimes it's in the holodeck, sometimes on a planet. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJHUbtR0yI8
LudicDave
2024-07-01 22:24:50 +0000 UTCthe guest actor on tin man was awful. his character was so awful i didn’t care about his outcome at the end
David Marcoot
2024-07-01 13:24:30 +0000 UTCThat gave me a mini meltdown XD Though triangles are stronger than circles, so I shall say Touche to your reply 😂😎👍
James Knight
2024-07-01 04:57:18 +0000 UTCHypotenuse
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-01 00:03:45 +0000 UTC*Returns to the land of Physics*
James Knight
2024-06-30 22:18:25 +0000 UTCThe symbol used on the Hot Streak board represents the Diameter of a Circle in Maths......... So the current streak is Diameter? =P ;)
James Knight
2024-06-30 22:17:54 +0000 UTCIf they hate this one, I wonder what they’ll think of Tin Man, one of the episodes I dislike most. Just waiting for that reaction to drop today.
Brian Moore
2024-06-30 15:57:46 +0000 UTCThe only thing I liked about this episode was the bit with the statue thing, even that the joke is still only mid-level at best. At the end of the day I don’t think I’ve ever re-watched this one more than twice.
Just another Red Shirt
2024-06-30 01:29:54 +0000 UTCLOL!!! I see what you did there.
Jovet
2024-06-29 23:44:32 +0000 UTCFor good and bad.
Jovet
2024-06-29 23:44:05 +0000 UTCWhat? Stubbs was convincing. He was just very unlikable.
Jovet
2024-06-29 23:38:17 +0000 UTC@Matt Newmark One of the next 6 episodes puts me to sleep. I just find it really boring.
Jovet
2024-06-29 23:27:23 +0000 UTC@Jovet 6 of the next 9 episodes are S tier in my book - I'm eagerly looking forward to what I believe will be Alex's favorite episode to date - and it's not the one many would think. The 3 year wait is for something a bit more... Theatrical.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-29 18:52:02 +0000 UTCHonestly I just find it kind of funny to watch them get so upset over something that I think is just kind of middle of the road okay. I'm sorry you guys didn't like it. Don't worry, there is still you know like four more seasons of great content
ZRX-89
2024-06-29 18:19:37 +0000 UTCIn front of Troi, Picard would say to an embarrassed Riker that several women asked him to send their regards and were looking forward to his next visit.
Mark Chrisco
2024-06-29 16:07:13 +0000 UTCVash catching him off guard with her entire behavior and figuring out what she was really up to, her being a bit of a mystery in herself, is exactly what made her attractive to him. Picard strikes me as a man that can't respec people that he can figure out at first glance. And while he certainly is proud of his discipline and likes his approach to life, he certainly doesn't think everybody else needs to. So meeting someone so different with such a different outlook probably was very much to hs liking
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:18:54 +0000 UTCGuys, while I get it, and was surprised by this too, let's not forget that this is not their usual tone, that both guys are incredibly humbled by having this community at all, and have said so plenty of times. And let's also not forget that none of us can probably say that we haven't had bad days were we didn't exactly communicate in the best way, especially on the internet. Yes this was weird, yes I don't get what the hell happened here, but let's not make this more than it was.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:16:51 +0000 UTCPesonally I'm not even remotely trying to give them a hard time. I'm just trying to figure out what caused this intense bad reaction, because in my view, nothing in the episode warranted this strong reaction. Yes it's a mid tier funny little episode that's certainly not gonna make anybody's top 5 list, but they exploded more at this than at Shades of Grey... so SOMETHING was going on there, subconsciously maybe.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:14:12 +0000 UTCI still maintain there was something else involved here. Either being disappointed that this wasn't yet another banger, an issue with Vash being a love interest, or something. But this wasn't just triggered by the episode. My guess is still (and yes Josh I know you disagree lol), that there was something subconsciously going on there, because half their statements about the episodes were either way out of proportion or didn't make any sense at all. Is this a A tier episode? Hell no. But it's just as harmless silly fun as Big Goodbye was, in fact it's basically almost the same story.. Picard off duty, playing out one of his fantasies to relax, getting the girl and hitting the bad guy in the face with a funny scene on the bridge in the end. It's 1:1 the same story and sillyness.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:11:52 +0000 UTCLiterally anything.. not just Trek lol
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:09:11 +0000 UTCLet's all calm down here. Let's not forget this is all about two guys watching a TV show alright? No reason to get at eachother's throats, from either side. @Patrons - lets not make this about more than it is. This is a 30 year old TV show alright? @Josh - You guys SLIGHTLY overreacted on this one. Nothing wrong with that but you cannot blame people for not quite understanding where the heck this came from. Now.. let's all come back down and continue to enjoy this amazing season alright?
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:07:59 +0000 UTC@Andreas, indeed. I am already curious to see what kind of reaction that episode provokes.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-29 15:07:23 +0000 UTCI don't mind the writing of the Bonding (although I think the original idea of the kid recreating his mom on the holodeck would have been vastly superior, since this is supposed to be about dealing with loss, and the kid not wanting to deal with it. The alien was completely out of place for that). But the kid actor was crap and all the scenes between him and Word, especially the actual ritual were just... silly and awkward..
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:05:45 +0000 UTCYeah but the thing is, I think this actress is amazing... including as Vash so.. *shrugs* I also have no idea how this episode's love interest and Ferengi were MORE annoying that the guy and Ferengi in "the Price"... I mean.. seriously? They take "lets put our two actresses in silly outfits in front of a mirror and close up foot massages and Troi falling in love with the biggest creep ever" over this one? I can get behind a lot of things, but not that :P
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 15:01:45 +0000 UTCLet's say Riker and Worf are good in episodes that focus on them, and wallpaper on everything else
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 14:59:39 +0000 UTC@Jovet just wait for season 4 episode 20 then :D I will agree however that I don't quite understand what they disliked so much about this episode and Vash in particular. This was supposed to be a humorous episode where Picard gets to play out some of his fantasies in real life, punch the bad guy, get the girl and save the day and go back to work refreshed from having a little adventure. This was basically dixon hill, just not on the holodeck and him getting to be the hero that gets the girl, the girl just not being crusher. So I really don't see the difference between this and The Big Goodbye I guess. Frankly I like this one more :P
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 14:56:23 +0000 UTCHe cheated on TWO wifes, admits having been a shitty father and focusing more on career than bothering about his wife and kids. As a human being I don't respect Steward much, neither for his personal behavior, nor for his views. Where I'm concerned he couldn't be further from the man that Picard is. But that's why actors should never be confused with the characters they play.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-29 14:55:32 +0000 UTCPerfect summary.
Liquid82
2024-06-29 13:42:27 +0000 UTCEven amongst the best episodes though, there are always going to be clunkers to slog through.
Rob Galloway
2024-06-29 03:34:54 +0000 UTCOne word: Garbage 🗑️!!!!
Rob Galloway
2024-06-29 03:32:43 +0000 UTCAh Picard finally gets a true love interest. And a gal who likes archeology like he does. He finally deserved it. And Riker's trickery with the Horgan. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to have heard his discussion with Riker about that one after he got back!
Comrade Wireless Caller
2024-06-29 01:58:39 +0000 UTCPain! Such Pain! Pain! Unhappiness. Terrible despair.
THE Fans
2024-06-29 01:35:54 +0000 UTCThe front half of this episode is entertaining, the back half makes a train wreck look pleasant.. but you guys gotta start cutting yourselves some slack here. Yeah, sometimes you're gonna be wrong cough Hunt for Red October cough but you're always honest about it. And that honesty is WAY more important than you might think it is. I dislike the offspring because of the ending. I'm a father and that would destroy me, but I recognize that it's a good story and very well told. I don't mind if we disagree because you're coming into it with good faith.
Timothy Keck
2024-06-28 23:41:18 +0000 UTCIts not a spoiler, but, the author of this episode will become perhaps the greatest creative force in the franchise
Mark Chrisco
2024-06-28 21:53:01 +0000 UTCWhen I was younger I liked this episode because we got to see Picard out of his element. But I never rewatched the episode in its entirety. I would just go back and watch the fun parts. Agree totally.
Glenn Zigli
2024-06-28 20:35:52 +0000 UTCI think you guys hit it right on the head with the episode. Started out promising with the crew concerned for the captain and trying to help him out. You’d think a good Dixon Hill holodeck episode would be in store to relax the captain. But alas, was not to be. This is one that I try not to rewatch because it’s so forgettable. There are several more quality ones coming up though. This one was definitely a dip in the season.
JP RFL
2024-06-28 19:17:52 +0000 UTCIt's a testament to how much you like the show that you get this upset over a terrible episode.
That one green Bolian
2024-06-28 18:50:07 +0000 UTCMy ranking between these three would go The Bonding (B+) > Captain's Holiday (C+) > Matter of Perspective (D), the last being the only one I tend to skip when in Season 3.
Lovok
2024-06-28 17:46:01 +0000 UTCGood job expressing yourselves here guys. I don't see any problem whatsoever in disliking anything that you see. There were some people who like this episode, but I thought that it was just middling at best
Eric Singer
2024-06-28 17:32:23 +0000 UTCThat's not exactly a compliment to the episode lol
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-28 17:15:15 +0000 UTCAww fellas lighten up! its just a fun "live in the moment" episode. I love this episode when 1st aired like many others did too on 1st watching (UK) However It might be to do with I was in my early 20's and seriously getting the horn on for Vash at the time. Its such a different & fun silly episode. He gets the girl, saves the day! sorry disagree with you completely on this one. Don't get too serious and try not to yawn in ANY reaction! lol watched your full uncut reaction but gave up and stopped on your discussion. Not all episodes have to be deep fellas..
Andrew Bassey
2024-06-28 16:41:52 +0000 UTCI thought it was a pleasant change of pace. Not memorable, but diverting for a one-off caper.
Numinous2019
2024-06-28 15:23:37 +0000 UTCWell, as always, there's nothing wrong with liking or disliking anything. So your response to those 2 episodes is as valid as anyone's reactions.
Numinous2019
2024-06-28 15:21:22 +0000 UTC🤣
Numinous2019
2024-06-28 15:17:41 +0000 UTCLong live the streaking!
Jovet
2024-06-28 12:37:08 +0000 UTCI agree, Kiel. This adds superb additional definition to Picard's character.
Jovet
2024-06-28 12:35:34 +0000 UTCExactly. I like watching how manipulative and "pork me!" she was trying to be.
Jovet
2024-06-28 12:32:52 +0000 UTCLaid
marty63026
2024-06-28 09:58:43 +0000 UTCI’m new here but have been watching on YouTube for awhile. I like this episode but it’s not the best. I do really like that Riker was trying to get Picard
marty63026
2024-06-28 09:58:22 +0000 UTCI sort of understand where you're coming from with a few disagreements. I think Worf is fine. If anything he's probably the most fleshed out character on the show with regards to how much he evolves as a character. Mostly everyone including Data and Picard are pretty static. I think Riker is mostly fine as well. Some people say he is boring but he does have a lot of very strong episodes centered around him. Best of Both Worlds, The Pegasus, Second Chances, etc.
Spencer Loften
2024-06-28 08:53:37 +0000 UTCWell...Picard has been establishing to love archeology so I get it...I don't think the episode was executed great...but...
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 07:04:38 +0000 UTCI think basically all the criticisms are valid I just think the bad isn't as bad as they think it is...and the good is better.
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 06:59:15 +0000 UTCThe little treasure hunt part was just kinda lame. Nothing I hated...just bluh
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 06:58:16 +0000 UTCDamn... lol
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 06:56:47 +0000 UTCYeah it usually goes from likes it a lot to "me, really good first half, weak second half...mid"
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 06:55:22 +0000 UTCBingo
Ian Ramsey
2024-06-28 06:09:34 +0000 UTCWelp, I guess we now know they aren't part of the #AllStarTrek Cult. =P Which I think is natural. The Trek fandom wouldn't be what it is without decades debating the merits and failures of episodes. Risa, the (Dis)Pleasure Planet.
Nolan
2024-06-28 03:56:07 +0000 UTCI was thinking the same thing.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-28 03:14:50 +0000 UTCYou guys have every right to hate on this (or any) episode. This would have made a better B or C plot story with something much more interesting going on as the A plot. I think this was *A* try at a treasure hunting adventure, it just didnt work having a full episode dedicated to it.
Karl Coleman
2024-06-28 03:02:06 +0000 UTCThey're right. its shit. Its one of the worst episodes.
Aaron Wells
2024-06-28 02:58:58 +0000 UTC@Ian Westcott One of my favorite episodes is very, very close.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:56:48 +0000 UTC@Andreas Schmitt I don't find it hilarious, I find it a bit offputting. I suppose it amuses me on some level how "OMG WE HHHHAAAATTTTTTEEEEDDDDDDD THIS ONE" they went, but it's really the first [TNG] episode they seem to both despise. Kinda jarring to see compared to their usual "Oh we didn't like it. The end." we get.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:56:16 +0000 UTCThe correct verb is *porking*
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:53:39 +0000 UTCOh, Alex and/or Josh will be streaking for ....another hour. ⚠️
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:52:49 +0000 UTCFirst TNG episode I recall them blowing up on.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:52:12 +0000 UTCJudging is human nature.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:48:55 +0000 UTCThere are episodes in S6 and S7 I hate, I don't hate this one. It's kinda fun. Not very re-watchable, but it's a closer look at The Picard.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:46:40 +0000 UTC19:20 I hate Harry Mudd.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:45:30 +0000 UTCI think it's a solid B. Nice to see Picard in a different light. And there was nothing wrong with that punch—each and every Ferengi deserves it. Edit: Nothing other than the sound effect of that punch, which was not quite fitting.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:41:33 +0000 UTCCaptains holiday is Shakespeare compared to anything post 2009
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 02:24:09 +0000 UTCIt does make sense that Picard would go for what we would say isn’t his type. That was the point
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 02:22:36 +0000 UTCYeah that boggles I hated the bonding then and I hated it now that kid was awful. Outrageous okona was another stinker. But hey that’s why it’s an opinion . It’s not right that we give them a hard time, but conversely it works the other way. Cmon Josh read The messages no one is right or wrong here
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 02:21:35 +0000 UTCYou guys didn't get the context. it's about the boer war
llama
2024-06-28 02:08:37 +0000 UTCGot to say, I appreciate their honesty about what they like and don't like, but I'm kind of perplexed by the hostile tone when they're reading patron takes from people who like it.
Steven Linden
2024-06-28 01:11:16 +0000 UTCDon't worry. It won't be long before you're glad to have the new headphones.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-06-28 01:08:38 +0000 UTCHonestly? I think the biggest predictor for them are the guest actors. If they like the guest actors, there's a very good chance they'll enjoy the episode.
Paul
2024-06-28 01:05:21 +0000 UTCInteresting. Sometimes it's hard to predict what these guys will like or hate. I've certainly seen people who think "Captain's Holiday" was mediocre, but I've never seen somebody have Josh's incredibly negative reaction to this. (Referring to them in the third person here because Josh made it quite clear he's not going to read these comments anyway).
Steven Linden
2024-06-28 00:56:01 +0000 UTCI liked the Royale and Captain Holidays both about equally lol...
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 00:32:35 +0000 UTCI actually thought some of his movies were okay.
Greg Quinn
2024-06-28 00:30:09 +0000 UTCI've said this before, when you guys didn't like WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS.... We've been spoiled by 30 years of time travel movies and other TV show Time Travel plots. Maybe that plot point threw you guys off about what to expect? Or, maybe you guys don't connect with Stewart as a ladies man. Jennifer Hetrick was excellent. Or this kind of comedy? Easily a 4/5 from me.
THE Fans
2024-06-28 00:26:39 +0000 UTCI think you two dislike this episode so much because the the previous 5 reset your baseline for an OK episode
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-06-28 00:21:29 +0000 UTCI have no idea who he is either, but I certainly never thought he was even remotely funny :D I liked his normal conversation with Data (maybe he'd have been a better actor than a comedian), but as soon as he starts the 'comedian' bit, he's terrible.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:47:33 +0000 UTCThe thing about them loving "The Outrageous Okona" is that they have no experience with Joe Piscopo being at once the crappiest comedian in the world (which is obvious from just listening to his "comedy") and the luckiest comedian in the world (because he got to hang onto Eddie Murphy's coattails for dear life on Saturday Night Live in the 1980's.) They had no idea who Piscopo was at all. But we know who he was. Oh, we know. Data calling on Joe Piscopo to demonstrate comedy on the holodeck was like calling on someone who sucks to demonstrate how not to suck.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 23:45:49 +0000 UTCI feel this reaction was almost as hilarious as them ripping apart Hunt for Red October lol
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:37:17 +0000 UTCThat, plus getting jealous on Crusher's behalf lol. At times I felt like I'm watching Picard's two kids witnessing dad cheating on mom lol. They were fuming at Vash lol.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:36:17 +0000 UTCI'm having a hard time understanding how they can fall head over heals in love with something as silly as "The big goodbye", yet absolutely loathe an episode that's down the same line, a silly adventure for Picard, enjoying his interests with a bit of a flirt along the way... One is holodeck with silly over the top gangsters, the other has a silly over the top Ferengi bad guy, and Picard gets to punch both... and both episodes have silly resolutions with a touch of philosophy at the end (do holograms exist when the holodeck isn't running, and will the time travelers do this over and over again until they succeed).. I don't see the difference here, yet WILDLY different reactions :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:34:34 +0000 UTCI rate this higher than The Bonding too. This is a strong B-/C+ to me while The Bonding is borderline E. That kid actor was annoying, and I though the Worf stuff of that episode was absolutely awful. But.. to each their own :D Matter of Perspective is mid tier for me. I don't care much for the story, thought it was odd that Riker looked so worried/ashamed when he returned from the base and it was just overall an odd episode, but I agree with the guys that the special effects and direction was great.. so probably a simple C for me for that.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:31:38 +0000 UTCI find it even more hilarious if they fall in love with an episode that I consider to be absolute trash lol
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:28:51 +0000 UTCSo just to have this in writing. They liked "The outrageous Okona" "The bonding annoying kid" and "The Royale" more than this episode :D Sometimes I really love how I couldn't disagree more lol Also.. they loved "Shore Leave" with Kirk's fantasy woman and McCoy's White Rabbit more than this... I just love how silly their tastes are sometimes :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:24:05 +0000 UTCThe weather one? :D I wouldn't call the backstory part ridiculous but it's not great yeah :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:03:07 +0000 UTCThe sound just dropped out.
Philbot
2024-06-27 23:02:09 +0000 UTCI enjoy watching with you guys. I can’t wait for each new ep!
Philbot
2024-06-27 23:00:11 +0000 UTCin fact this time watching them go apeshit on this episode was hilarious. It was "Deadly Years" level hilarious :D It will be even more hilarious to see the fan reaction on YouTube, considering Vash is a beloved character on conventions from what I know haha
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:58:40 +0000 UTCI'm gonna put something controversial out there... Aside from picard and Data, the cast of TNG is BY FAR the worst written cast of characters of all the shows. That doesn't mean they're BADLY written, but literally every other character of Trek going forward is way better written, has way more going on (Ok, ok.. maybe not Harry Kim but..) :D The character writing improves soooo much in the coming shows. Yes Voyager can sometimes drag quite a bit, but character writing wise (even though I hate Janeway)... miles ahead of TNG IMO, and that includes Enterprise So while I agree that some of the coming shows have awful episodes every now and then, so did the shows so far.. but the character writing will continue to improve. If they like that, I don't think we have anything to worry about in terms of quitting.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:57:05 +0000 UTCTo be fair, Shatner was also bald when he was cast ;)
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 22:56:42 +0000 UTCWell this Ferengi was written by Ira Behr who ended up steering the writing of most Ferengi stuff in DS9 so... this is quite in line with that
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:54:07 +0000 UTCI'm with you there. I'm not a massive fan of "the bonding" either :D Both end up WAAAAY below this episode on my list
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:53:08 +0000 UTCI am personally not salty at all. I thought it was fun to see them tear it apart lol. I just honestly feel it was undeserved and mainly based on them being totally against anybody getting between Picard and Crusher. They were overly hard on Pulaski because of Crusher leaving, when neither the actress nor the character had any fault in that. THe fact that they're still hating on Pulaski almost a full season since her departure shows that. So while I personally don't really mind if they hate this episode (I certainly don't think it's top tier, but enjoyable), I think they had the wrong reasons for hating it, and while being a fan of Gates is great, I think they push the Crusher love a bit far :P But that's up to them haha
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:52:20 +0000 UTCWouldn't put it into my top 10, but it's definitely one I enjoy because we see more of Picard as a character outside of his role as a Captain here. And I absolutely love Vash and her chemistry with Picard.. oh well
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:48:28 +0000 UTCThis is the first episode where I am diverging from your general overview. This one is in the bottom half of my top 10 for Season 3 (7th). I feel it's a really good episode that delves into Picard's hobbies and fleshes out more of his character.
LMPGames
2024-06-27 22:19:15 +0000 UTCI think the last 5 episodes helped to taint this one. Their expectations were now set so high that even with a good first 15 minutes, they just couldn't find it redeemable. I did not expect this strong of a negative commentary given how they were reacting while watching the episode.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 21:55:13 +0000 UTCGot to agree with you there.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 21:51:24 +0000 UTCYeah, if you have reasons to fear it apart, have at it. I’m not here just to hear you agree with me.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-06-27 21:26:30 +0000 UTCIt’s always fascinating to me how differently folks react. Newbie Star Trek loved this episode.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-06-27 21:25:50 +0000 UTCOver and over and over
Aramis Calcutt
2024-06-27 21:22:23 +0000 UTCI like the episode but if you feel like you need to tear it apart I think you should. It's not going to hurt my feelings I'm not going to cancel my subscription to your patreon and I'm not going to unsubscribe from your YouTube channel. And if anybody does have that type of reaction they need to check their whole life
harrypothead42024
2024-06-27 21:17:57 +0000 UTCI rate it higher. I’d give it a C, while I consider those two to be C- at best
Jeffrey
2024-06-27 21:14:51 +0000 UTCI predicted you guys would like it but I was wrong. And I guess it makes sense that I was wrong since, I didn't like it when I first saw it at all. The thing I like about it to be honest is more rooted in nostalgia than it is the quality of the episode
harrypothead42024
2024-06-27 21:12:53 +0000 UTCYou often suggest episodes stay with the characters and not detour into 'story,' so I was worried you may actually like this one, especially considering the solid opening scenes. Once we hit the pleasure planet it becomes a world class dud. I vote Jennifer Hetrick as the new least convincing guest actor easily dethroning Stubbs.
Skipper Martin
2024-06-27 21:09:21 +0000 UTCDamn. I always thought this was a decent episode. Definitely wasn't expecting them to rip it to shreds like this.
Blaine Martin
2024-06-27 21:02:00 +0000 UTCDang, lotta people salty about an episode I consider mid-tier at best. No wonder discourse around modern Trek has been so volitile. I assumed most also felt this was a drudgery episode.
Nolan
2024-06-27 20:51:31 +0000 UTCCrossing out the hot streak. OMG, had me on the floor laughing!!!
Kyle Stewart
2024-06-27 20:41:33 +0000 UTCGotta say I am surprised. I like this one way more than many other episodes, especially knowing what’s coming up. I enjoy the treasure hunt story and seeing Picard let his hair down so to speak. Plus familiarity with Risa, horgons, etc are good bits of lore to keep in your pocket. But seeing your take is why I’m a patron. We don’t have to like the same things every time, I just enjoy your reactions and discussions. You’ve helped me see some things in various episodes that I haven’t seen or noticed before. So if we don’t agree on this one, that’s perfectly fine. You can be wrong and still have my money 😂. (Jk, of course there are no wrong opinions.)
Brian Moore
2024-06-27 20:39:28 +0000 UTCI'm going to go and re-watch your discussion of 'The Royale' in order to present that as Exhibit A in my prosecution when this discussion is posted to YouTube. I'd rather watch 'Captain's Holiday' five times in a row than re-watch 'The Royale'.
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 20:38:39 +0000 UTCDrugs
Ken R
2024-06-27 20:36:18 +0000 UTCVash and the Frengie killed Dr. Samuel Estragon. Lol
Greg Quinn
2024-06-27 20:25:40 +0000 UTCI can see thinking it's not great but I would have at least thought the strength of the first part would be enough to keep them from absolutely hating it.
Greg Quinn
2024-06-27 20:22:51 +0000 UTCI like the episode overall. But I admit the opening is much stronger...the end I don't hate but don't love....
Greg Quinn
2024-06-27 20:20:48 +0000 UTChuh. i really liked it
paultardspambot .
2024-06-27 20:15:35 +0000 UTClove the take .. you guys aint wrong. I think what makes it worse is you had so many great ones before it.. take this ep and put it in season 2 you prob think its meh but passable. dont fret still some great ones left in season three.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-06-27 20:14:11 +0000 UTCIt's just occurred to me that there is a much, much worse episode set on this pleasure planet in several ST years time.......including a plain ridiculous character backstory.
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 20:13:42 +0000 UTCI don't think there's a single well written Ferengi until we get to DS9. I found them tiresome in this episode, but sometimes laugh-out-loud funny in the other show.
Ian Westcott
2024-06-27 20:12:25 +0000 UTCAhahaha, yeah, my personal favorite episode is still two seasons away...
Ian Westcott
2024-06-27 20:11:28 +0000 UTCIt would have been more fitting if he cheated on his wife with Ian McKellan. >_> The "sexiest actor" credit is nice. Glad no one listened to the objections of "he needs to be more like Kirk. Why is he bald?" when he was initially cast.
Ian Westcott
2024-06-27 20:09:44 +0000 UTCCaptain's Holiday really is kindof a crappy episode. Another "oh damn, not the stupid Ferengi..." one. I never liked Vash that much -- not sexy or sleazy or campy enough. Just kindof... "potential TV girlfriend" material. Give me Karen Allen any day! I love Riker trolling Picard though. What a good wingman... Friday's episode will be... better, but it's not top-tier Season 3 either. Don't worry, they won't all be great, you still have another stinker unwatched in this season!
Ian Westcott
2024-06-27 20:06:54 +0000 UTCThey way I judge episodes now after watching since I was a little kid is by rewatch and this is one I sometimes skip. When you watching anything new it can be very interesting but I also remember wanting something more from it when I first saw it. I am little worried because one of my favorite episodes is next I really didn't like it as a kid but it has become one of my favorites now.
AJC
2024-06-27 20:06:37 +0000 UTCEh. We all can’t agree I guess. Thats the beauty of the show. Everyone finds something they like. Personally, while I love character episodes like The Offspring, I love adventure/action intrigue episodes like The Defector. But hey, to each their own.
Chris S.
2024-06-27 20:05:44 +0000 UTCMaybe they were going for the "a little over the top" camp of the Original Series. In TOS it was fun and expected, in TNG it feels very out of place.
Josh Eversole
2024-06-27 20:05:19 +0000 UTCThat certainly describes much of the early seasons. But the later ones are much better
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 19:57:59 +0000 UTCThat is definitely an opinion yes. However Many of us believe it is both those things as inseparable elements
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 19:56:20 +0000 UTCThe Streak is Dead.
Justin DiBari
2024-06-27 19:54:16 +0000 UTCI think what our friends need to realize is that there's more to Picard than Crusher... they ship those two hard...
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 19:50:18 +0000 UTCThis is why I love you guys, so full of surprises. I thought the episode was okay, not great, but not bad enough to get upset about.
Mike Rogers
2024-06-27 19:49:57 +0000 UTCBe careful not to give too much praise on any one screenwriter or too much hate on one. A great deal of episodes have uncredited rewrites and the final credit is down to WGA rules. Several of the great and also awful episodes are a "gangbang" (as Ron Moore puts it) of different writers. Just look up how episodes like Justice or The High Ground started and what the finished products were. Often the writers hate the bad episodes as much as the audience does.
JGoss
2024-06-27 19:42:31 +0000 UTCNo, I still got you for another hour had me laughing. And don't worry too much, you found the good in the bad and accurately diagnosed why the episode didn't land for you.
Timothy Keck
2024-06-27 19:35:53 +0000 UTCNot every fighting scene can look like a silly kirk-fu stunt
Yannik M.
2024-06-27 19:32:34 +0000 UTCPicard wasn't always an old man. I like that he can be brought out of his shell in the right circumstances. No one on the Enterprise can talk archaeology with him - his only other love. And Picard doesn't need someone to agree with and to quietly listen to him lecture. He needs someone with that same drive to challenge him. Vash is, without being a villain or abrasive, antithetical to Picard and that's what fires his neurons. Opposites can attract.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-27 19:27:15 +0000 UTCIt’s never bothered me. It’s silly, like the rest of the episode.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 19:24:36 +0000 UTCWow! That was a harsh negative reaction for what was a pretty decent average episode
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 19:23:53 +0000 UTCIt was a bad lame silly punch. It looked like a light push
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 19:20:39 +0000 UTCI would rather have seen PIcard so annoyed with the vacation plotting that he pretends to beam to Risa but instead goes to another ship in orbit to help them with some engine refit for his holiday.
Alan Thompson
2024-06-27 19:17:17 +0000 UTCIts a deviation from core star trek. A high quality and interesting one in the later seasons…but still a deviation from core trek
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 19:16:46 +0000 UTCThat's true, at least he didn't cheat on his wife with a hooker the same week his child was born
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 19:07:25 +0000 UTCYou guys are nuts We get Picard dragged into a mystery-adventure against his will, well landed jokes that you laughed at same as I, and a guest actor for Patrick Stewart to play off of in a way Picard hasn't been able to with anyone else yet. We get a whole new side of Picard and it's wonderful - his playful side without needing to don a Dixon Hill outfit. Handed a two-bit Ferengi and a scooby-do plot he can barely be bothered to frustratingly swat away. He gets to out smart the tomb-raider, punch the annoying Ferengi in the nose, and brush off dubious time traveling aliens. Literally Picard's perfect vacation. Riker wants the ladies, Picard wants a problem to solve. Light work to go alongside his light reading. It has good writing, good characters, an interesting mystery, and good pacing. I suspect if this was Kirk, you'd have loved the episode, but there's more to Picard than what we've seen so far.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-27 19:02:25 +0000 UTCI hate to, but I have to agree. Much of the Picard stuff was fun, but the Vash stuff kinda dragged I felt. C+ for me. Better than average, but not a banger as it were.
Chris S.
2024-06-27 18:44:50 +0000 UTCThe season 3 episode ranking video is gonna be LIT.
JGoss
2024-06-27 18:43:57 +0000 UTCIt’s interesting that so many people thought that the chemistry between Vash and Picard was terrible. It’s not outstanding, but I thought that the chemistry was good enough for a “woman of the week” episode.
Leo Greenwood
2024-06-27 18:43:40 +0000 UTCIt’s a light-hearted episode. Nothing in this episode is meant to be taken seriously. TONE TONE TONE!!!!
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 18:36:31 +0000 UTCMore like a first season Ferengi "performance" -- beyond cheesy and silly. The actor did a terrible job, perhaps fault shared by the director. The writing of the character isn't great either, but not as bad as the way they were written in the first season.
Lovok
2024-06-27 18:35:35 +0000 UTCStewart was voted the sexiest actor on TV during TNG's run. Now I'm male and hetero, so I assume women were attracted to Picard's sense of calm authority, intellect and his integrity.....plus of course Stewart's consistently high standard of acting in getting that across to audience's. [Note: auto-correct changed 'sexiest' to 'series' in my original comment, which made no sense.]
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 18:27:55 +0000 UTCThere are two more episodes that are left in season three which don't work for me at all. One that's average, two that very good and two that are great.
William McRae
2024-06-27 18:26:31 +0000 UTCI'd love to know why exactly you liked it but this is not the place due to potential spoilers. There's a lot of DS9 love out there so you're in good company. Just never got the appeal myself.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 18:24:59 +0000 UTCVoyager I feel is the show with the most squandered premise. There is such a great hook for the series and then they kind of play it safe for most of the show with a few notable exceptions. I do really like the early seasons of Voyager though. Are they as consistent as TNG? No. But there are still a lot of great episodes. It's the latter half from Season 5 onwards where I feel the quality really dipped.
Menty
2024-06-27 18:23:23 +0000 UTCI am not claiming anyone who doesn't like DS9 is wrong, but I loved that series even when it was TNG-lite in terms of scripts for season 1 and 2 was basically a transition season.
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 18:22:35 +0000 UTCWash it down with some Horga'hn-inspired loving. Jamaharon!
Steven Johnson
2024-06-27 18:18:48 +0000 UTCDid it dissappear back to the 27th Century?
Steven Johnson
2024-06-27 18:17:01 +0000 UTCStewart lobbied for more action in the show and for Picard to have more sexcapades......Picard really isn't that kind of character, no matter how talented Stewart is.
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 18:16:49 +0000 UTCFacts ^^^^
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 18:09:18 +0000 UTCWhen Alex and Josh get there I'll look out for your comments to see which ones you liked. Congrats, you're my new DS9 guru!
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 18:09:01 +0000 UTCAs far as I know I never watched any season 6 episodes of VOY. I recently rewatched some season 1 episodes and a couple were quite enjoyable as far as the story. I'll never jive with the characters the way I do with TOS and TNG.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 18:08:05 +0000 UTCThe only true wisdom lies in knowing that you know nothing
Jeffrey
2024-06-27 18:02:16 +0000 UTCI got the action figure of those aliens for my birthday in 1993. It was as lame as this episode.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-06-27 17:54:50 +0000 UTCYou dislike this more than I did. I found it typical of TNG in many aspects; I've come to expect dull and uninspired I guess. There have been worse, and the next one I turned off in ten minutes.
Ken R
2024-06-27 17:53:07 +0000 UTCYes it's pretty obvious that he's playing dumb on purpose. He had it figured out the entire time.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:43:26 +0000 UTCJosh as Pam's Grandma on The Office: I just had to sit here while it happened to me.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 17:38:46 +0000 UTCWeird. This is one that I can really enjoy because it's all Picard, because he's fun to watch, and beause it's 'in the world.' I have no problem re-watching this one.
Angelaina Marie
2024-06-27 17:37:36 +0000 UTCYou did indeed give TNG a way stronger honeymoon period than we were expecting
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 17:36:22 +0000 UTCWow, did not expect so much hate from the guys on this one. I find the episode to be a little boring and the ferengi dude is intolerable, but it has enough charm and fun sprinkled throughout that I find it somewhat enjoyable, albeit far from great. Definitely not a favorite of mine though.
Lovok
2024-06-27 17:36:05 +0000 UTCI've never agreed more. This one is weirdly hyped, IMDB rates it higher than The Bonding and A Matter of Perspective, never knew why.
sjmpoo
2024-06-27 17:31:24 +0000 UTCSeason 7 has some downs definitely, buy it has some big ups too. At least one top 10 episode in there.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 17:22:04 +0000 UTCJudge not lest ye be judged
Stuart Arbury
2024-06-27 17:17:59 +0000 UTCOf course we all know of a certain upcoming season 3 episode which, if they don't like it, will cause us all to riot in the streets.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 17:16:24 +0000 UTCNot arguing. Everyone's tastes are valid. DS9 is probably my favourite Trek show of the lot, but I understand it can be an acquired taste.
Menty
2024-06-27 17:15:05 +0000 UTCIrish holodeck episodes in Season 6 of Voyager made me take an extended break from Star Trek back when they originally aired. I had to tap out for a couple of years and then Enterprise came out and I had somewhat mixed reactions to that as well. It's not been exactly smooth sailing since then.
Menty
2024-06-27 17:13:40 +0000 UTCI think people like dramas Menty. I also think there's more younger Trek fans now than my age so maybe they like the woke themes more. I like a story that tackles a difficult subject from both sides and lets the viewer decide which angle they like best. I like interesting and lovable characters that make sense and I adore great acting. I never, ever watch dramas outside sci-fi. So those are my tastes and there are scores of reddit threads on this exact topic if you wanna argue. Like I said earlier, there's no right or wrong way to react as long as it's honest.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 17:10:54 +0000 UTCI mean, the vast majority of the fandom thinks DS9 is WAY better than Voyager so your feeling differently shows that you have a pretty unpopular opinion as well. I think Captains Holiday is a fun and harmless episode but they despised it so it is what it is. I think I'm going to chill a bit on trying to predict what they will like and won't. anyway, it's all good; IDIC and all that.
Menty
2024-06-27 17:06:53 +0000 UTCIt was known at the time at cons but he talks about his behavior in his new memoir ‘Making It So’
Sharron
2024-06-27 17:06:53 +0000 UTCIt's not that hard to keep yourself out of bed with another person though
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 17:02:39 +0000 UTCExactly. That comment, much like the rest of their critique, makes no sense.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 16:43:17 +0000 UTCYou're saying he need's a week's shore leave!?
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 16:42:28 +0000 UTCYes.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:41:07 +0000 UTCYou should try listening to the opening theme some time. Worst take ever ^^^^
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 16:40:22 +0000 UTCI watched VOY until early in season 3 then gave up. It was unbearable. I did watch a few odd episodes in later years including the series finale which is what convinced me to finally give it a fair shot in the first place. There are great moments for sure. DS9 I've barely watched because it was excruciating. I personally love Enterprise though it seems to be disliked among trekkies. I will only watch the new series if some magical day Josh and Alex watch them.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 16:36:20 +0000 UTCThe whole point of Star Trek is to comment on the human condition in a scifi setting, not to “explore strange new worlds”.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 16:35:09 +0000 UTC😆😆😆 Josh is going to be recovering all week. And I feel ya, man. This episode feels like sloppy fan fiction.
Benjamin Azure
2024-06-27 16:29:23 +0000 UTCI think the intent, given how off Picard acts talking to the Vorgons at the end that he had already determined to destroy it and that they weren't trust worthy. But in the end its just not great regardless.
Julie Carter
2024-06-27 16:21:09 +0000 UTCI didn't realize it was that bad until I just looked again lol. That said there are a handful of my personal favorites in there, too.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-27 16:18:18 +0000 UTCConsidering how they absolutely loved "A Matter of Perspective" (an episode I can't stand) and seemed almost angry about "Captain's Holiday", which I consider a fun, harmless mid-tier episode, I just can't predict these guys at all.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 16:11:45 +0000 UTCI'm one of those people who like this episode for some reason but I personally think its hilarious to see you guys rip into episodes.
Doug
2024-06-27 16:08:06 +0000 UTCAre you insane?? Are you talking in the whole series of TNG!? Bro, you're out to lunch if you think there aren't at least 12 episodes in season 7 worse than anything in season 3.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 16:04:22 +0000 UTCIt's all about the writing and the direction in this one. Once Picard gets to Risa, the conversations between characters are boring and the pacing is extremely slow and stilted. As you both said, the direction is flat, and nothing makes us want to keep watching. It was a fairly good idea, poorly executed.
Jeff
2024-06-27 16:04:17 +0000 UTC1 thing I now like to look at thanks to these reactions/discussions is the writers/directors and specifically what the've done up to this point and what they will do the rest of TNG. Very fun looking at this director's episodes and feeling: "That's an interesting group of episodes he got." 1 of which I'm fairly certain you'll LOVE. The others.....we shall see.
Elway Simpson
2024-06-27 16:03:19 +0000 UTCKnowing that you know that I know that you know.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-27 16:02:49 +0000 UTCI know you know that I know that you know.
PIG
2024-06-27 16:01:53 +0000 UTCClickable Hyperbole? Eh? Eh? LOL!!
StonyD
2024-06-27 16:01:27 +0000 UTCIn fairness they can't all be winners and the rest of the season after this week is basically 3S/1A/2B. Which cliff dive after a 5 banger do you think will be received worse, this one or the next one (IKYK [I know you know]) :D
Matt Newmark
2024-06-27 15:58:57 +0000 UTCI know which one you're thinking of, but I actually think Alex and Josh will enjoy it (at least a bit).
Paul
2024-06-27 15:58:34 +0000 UTCI dunno man, TNG has a really solid run, but yeah, if they decide they want to watch another series, VOY will be the one to make them quit Star Trek. It did for me at least.
Nathan Billington
2024-06-27 15:58:04 +0000 UTCWhat did they want Picard to do, split that Ferengi's head open!? He "popped" him one, to knock him out so they could make their getaway.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 15:57:12 +0000 UTCWait, Patrick Steward cheated on his wife? :O
Paul
2024-06-27 15:57:08 +0000 UTCI think I know which one lol
PIG
2024-06-27 15:56:10 +0000 UTCJeezus Christ boys! Bit of a strong reaction LOL. It's not a favorite of mine, I get disliking it but by comparison of your reactions you guys 'loved' The Deadly Years & When the Bough Breaks... are you guys going to be ok? ;) lol
James Bottas
2024-06-27 15:56:09 +0000 UTCYeah, but how do you guys REALLY feel about the episode? 😂 Look - I'm not gonna trash your takes because they're your takes. There's no wrong way to react to something as long as it's honest. Actually, this was pretty entertaining! What I will say is this: if you're having problems with an episode in the golden era of the best series of the franchise you'd better lower your expectations ASAP because you're in for the downhill ride of your life. By the time you get to season 7 you may decide you don't want to watch Star Trek anymore - and that's before you get to sensory abortions that are VOY and DS9.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 15:53:11 +0000 UTCI personally have 1 worse episode coming up still in this season
Jeffrey
2024-06-27 15:48:39 +0000 UTC"The next episode could be D tier and I'd be impressed." That's a bold prediction.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-27 15:48:13 +0000 UTCYeah this is one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series. Good news: this is probably the bottom of the barrel from here on out. I can only think of a couple of episodes like this that can't compare to the rest of the series. Thank you for being kind to your fans, I think you're honest but also practical on how you approach this channel.
PIG
2024-06-27 15:47:07 +0000 UTCDon’t get the s1 Ferengi comment. This is actually more in line with where Ferengi businessmen go moving forward
THE LORE!!!
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PIG
2024-06-27 15:43:33 +0000 UTCAmidst the hate I just looked up how far away we are from seeing the ONE reaction I am BY FAR most looking forward to seeing. It's 3 years away at the current pace ;( You stick with it, we'll stick with you.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-27 15:43:00 +0000 UTCI like your honest opinions. In fact, sometimes it's more fun when you DON'T agree with the majority.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 15:29:00 +0000 UTCThe chemistry between Patrick Stewart and Jennifer Hetrick was real. After they met on set they immediately began sneaking around boning each other’s brains out. Eventually, Stewart left his wife at the time and they dated for a couple of years.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-06-27 15:28:55 +0000 UTCI've noticed they have wildly different takes than mine on several episodes, but it's part of the fun of watching them, at least for me. I guess I have a more average reaction to episodes, as my ratings tend to have close correlation to the per-episode IMDB scores. And no I didn't form my opinions based on IMDB ratings.. I watched these eps when they were first broadcast.
Chris L
2024-06-27 15:27:45 +0000 UTC"We trained this episode's director wrong, on purpose, as a joke."
Juan Tutrífor
2024-06-27 15:24:43 +0000 UTCThis literally destroyed Josh
Mister Hope
2024-06-27 15:21:00 +0000 UTCFirst season Ferengi? I missed the part where this guy was jumping on people and throwing his arms all over the room. Lame fight scene? The singular punch fit the tone of the episode. “We didn’t like it” but what and why? Complaining about code 14 because you haven’t heard of it before? That’s an odd reason to not like it. Were you guys just in a bad mood when you sat down to watch this episode? This episode isn’t the greatest but it’s not as bad as you’re making it out to be. It’s not even bad.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 15:14:16 +0000 UTCIt kinda hurts extra because that was a hell of a streak going on banger episodes and the bar was getting set really high.
Steve Krautkramer
2024-06-27 15:12:50 +0000 UTCYeah I never knew about it, either, until I read comments on this channel. I agree that it's great that Patrick Stewart shared this very personal information too, it couldn't have been easy. Marriage is extremely hard, it takes a lot of work, and it can be thrown away so easily if you don't keep at it. It's good to know the errors and trials of others when you, your self, have been with someone for so long.
PIG
2024-06-27 15:10:13 +0000 UTCI just read Patrick Stewart’s memoir this year and never knew that he and Jennifer Hatrick had an affair in real life. It broke up Patrick’s marriage (which seemed to already be on the rocks with his career skyrocketing in LA and his wife staying out in the UK). It’s a pretty tough chapter in the book and I respect him for his openness about it.
Stuart Arbury
2024-06-27 15:04:20 +0000 UTCThe streak... is over.
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