FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S3E6 - Booby Trap
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The Daystrum Institute goes back all the way to Star Trek the original series season 2. Not surprising that you would forget about it since it was only mentioned in one episode and hadn’t been referenced since the measure of a man episode. In Star Trek Lore, the Daystrum Institute would be equivalent to a company like Intel, development, and manufacturing of leading edge technology. It is one of the fascinating things that I appreciated about Star Trek, the next generation as a whole, embracing and referencing established lore from the original series.
Hidden Ruu
2024-05-23 14:34:57 +0000 UTCPersonally, I wouldn't even except that season from the trash heap. Has all the same problems as every other.
Nolan
2024-05-20 02:56:11 +0000 UTCThere has not been any real Star Trek since 2005 with the sole exception being season 3 of Picard. The rest of the Kurtzman so called Trek is trash.
GeorgeReevesSupermanFan
2024-05-20 02:47:54 +0000 UTCIt was an entertaining episode. You can really see the improvement over the 1st 2 seasons.
GeorgeReevesSupermanFan
2024-05-20 02:45:57 +0000 UTCWatching through TNG everytime this episode is one of my early favourites in the series, love the ancient ship and the 1000 year old distress call, the actual trap itself, the captains log again dated 1000 years from their present day, also the music in this episode is just eerie and haunting in a way and it also changes throughout the episode to match what's happening.
The Darkside Gamer
2024-05-17 03:19:19 +0000 UTCHe also said "when they were boys." Worf might be embarrassed about being an adult hobbyist
Artribution
2024-05-16 00:11:26 +0000 UTCHe still could have said something. Like "not in bottles." Remember how he swept the whole model into the drawer right before Riker entered? He is being cagey about it.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-05-09 14:41:25 +0000 UTCPicard asks specifically about building *ships in bottles.*
Jovet
2024-05-09 05:05:09 +0000 UTC@Derek Orr "Symmetry" is a huge quantifier to the human perception of beauty [and order]. It is known.
Jovet
2024-05-09 05:02:38 +0000 UTCI wouldn't expect our boys to pick up on the stardates, that's a subtle detail. But I would expect them to pick up on Brahms talking about "Galaxy Class" ships.
Jovet
2024-05-09 01:42:12 +0000 UTCFor the first time, I noticed that in “Peak Peformance,” Worf is shown building a model ship, but when Picard asks if anyone built model ships, Worf doesn’t speak up.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-05-09 01:35:00 +0000 UTCYeah I guess that might throw you off.
Evan Guthrie
2024-05-08 22:20:30 +0000 UTCYes, we are aware.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-08 21:08:43 +0000 UTCDilithium crystals have been around since TOS. And where a major sub plot in Star Trek 4
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:53:10 +0000 UTCTo be fair, a computer that can run warp drive and transporters etc…should be able to assess context of who and why they are asking for a holo of a person…La Forge asking for this on his own non emergency time should get a different response than say Wesley or someone else making naughty holo programs…
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:47:11 +0000 UTCFYI I hate nitpicking
Jason Biggs
2024-05-08 20:46:46 +0000 UTCAs long as Deltan officers file their oath of celibacy with the HR department:)
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:44:12 +0000 UTCThere is a scary interview on YouTube that he did in the 90s where he says some extra creepy disgusting things…
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:43:34 +0000 UTCMore like she designed the galaxy class engines
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:41:55 +0000 UTCHe is the 2nd officer and third in command.
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:38:12 +0000 UTCSure but its also a historical known battleground that is common knowledge….lots of people could come and poke around and get caught
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:37:17 +0000 UTCThe more relevant thing is of galaxy class ships…there is nothing specific about the enterprise that she did
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:35:49 +0000 UTCAnd using a century out of date engineer would be silly
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:33:44 +0000 UTCTrue but also the refitted 1701 model is on her desk
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:30:49 +0000 UTCwhen done poorly it’s utterly meaningless. TNG often does it quite well with maintaining its own internal continuity of technology and capabilities.
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:29:34 +0000 UTCOuch that was a “Burn” on modern trek 😜😜
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:28:00 +0000 UTCWell thats a highly subjective assessment. What people find attractive varies a LOT. You cant just say blanket things like women are getting more attractive and men less so. Different cultures and different times in history all have a wide variety of definitions of what is attractive *Sorry I did miss your qualifier about symmetry
Derek Orr
2024-05-08 20:24:17 +0000 UTCI salute your autism sir.
Clyde Frog
2024-05-07 22:42:17 +0000 UTC12:40 Data is the 2nd officer. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Second_officer If Picard and Riker are both off ship or incapacitated he is the next to take command of the ship. He is also in command of the bridge if those two are not present. Any time you see Riker and Picard in a scene together but not on the bridge (ready room), most likely Data has command of the bridge. Worf is the 3rd officer and would assume command if Picard, Riker and Data were all unavailable. By maritime tradition, the 2nd officer is also a watchkeeper, taking the 12-4 watch (noon to 4 and midnight to 4am) on the bridge. Riker being the 1st officer would take the 4-8 watch. In the TOS era ships, the 3rd officer was usually the chief navigator (Chekov), but on the Enterprise D, helm and navigation are one station and Data's bridge role is operations. In addition to being the 2nd officer Data was the Chief Operations Officer and head of the Operations Department. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Operations_division Every time you see the staff meeting in the observation lounge, you are seeing a meeting of the department heads. You have Crusher (Chief Medical Officer), Troi (Ship's Counsellor), Worf (Chief of Security), Data (Chief Operations Officer), LaForge (Chief Engineer), Riker (Executive Officer), and Picard.
Sherpa Jones
2024-05-07 14:53:08 +0000 UTCYou're correct, Jovet. However, TNG does take this a bit too far at times. I don't mind some unlikely story contrivances, but what does irritate me is the attempt to justify them with nonsense words as frequenctly as TNG goes on to do.
Numinous2019
2024-05-07 10:41:41 +0000 UTCfortunately, the technobabble is incidental to the stories. If they use a technological solution to a problem, its something that we can follow and that makes sense based on what we already know. In the original trek bible (writers guide for the original series which is fascinating and something all fans should really read) they point out they dont want techno solutions to conflicts because that is intteresting. There were certainly other shows that forgot this lesson to their detriment.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-07 10:13:57 +0000 UTCGenerally, when they wrote scripts, they would leave blanks where they needed "tech" talk. Usually, that was Mike Okuda, Rick Sternbach, and the science advisor Andre Bormanis. When you see a lot of writing credits, that often meant that the story needed work, and a lot of people chipped in to make it better/shootable.
tyranusfan
2024-05-07 01:56:21 +0000 UTCThis was one of the ones I was waiting for you guys to get to. It's early on in S3, but it's one of my personal favorites from the whole series. Mike from RLM once referred to it as the "End all Be all Geordi LaForge episode".
Do Nothing Club
2024-05-07 00:10:20 +0000 UTCWorf "what a handsome race" Lwaxana "all I see is sushi"
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-05-06 22:46:36 +0000 UTCMaybe the model of the Constitution refit with the sideways nacelles threw them off, but then there was also a model of the 1701-D, not to mention the ship being built outside the window
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-05-06 22:32:49 +0000 UTCTechnically he is the Operations Officer, but that was treated vaguely. He tended to do Spock’s job, without being the first officer.
tyranusfan
2024-05-06 19:34:34 +0000 UTC...propulsion systems (e.g. warp and maybe impulse drives)
Jovet
2024-05-06 19:17:47 +0000 UTCYou were supposed to 😉
Jovet
2024-05-06 19:16:11 +0000 UTCI always thought Luke sounded more childish when he's denying whom his father is.
Jovet
2024-05-06 18:49:04 +0000 UTCFair point, I have to say I actually never gave that much thought to what Data actually does on the bridge. He is the Second Officer, after the Riker who is the First Officer, so if neither Riker nor Picard were on the bridge but Data was, he would be in command. Other than that, in his chair, I would guess he is the Science Officer, like Spock was in TOS. Scanning, sensor data and analysis. But then, some of the scanning duty is sometimes given to Worf as well. More knowledge people may feel free to correct or expand ^-^.
JHVJ
2024-05-06 18:21:00 +0000 UTCThis was also in an era where fans could write a script and just send it in -- obviously, it was rare the script was read or even accepted, but it did happen. I can't recall off the top of my head, but I think there was a TNG (or Buffy or X-Files) writer who got hired that way.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-05-06 17:51:51 +0000 UTCRight. All else being equal, Data would take command if Picard and Riker were incapacitated.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-05-06 15:44:05 +0000 UTCAs someone else mentioned, Dr. Brahms' technical log entries are dated in the year before TNG Season 1 (i.e. 2363, per "The Neutral Zone"). The Season 1 stardates begin "41," those in Season 2 begin "42," and so on; the stardates in Dr. Brahms' records begin "40."
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-05-06 15:43:07 +0000 UTCAll of Spock's references to his parents in TOS Season 1 are in the past tense because the writers hadn't yet thought of bringing them on the show. Also, even when characters *are* dead, don't assume they died when you think they did...
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-05-06 15:35:44 +0000 UTCI would like Geordi's storyline in this episode much better if Leah were an engineer from Kirk's era or earlier, although that would have been difficult to make work because she wouldn't have had the necessary knowledge of the Enterprise-D. The engineering problem in the episode would have had to be specific to a particular starship system that hadn't changed in 100 or 200 years, which would have strained credulity.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-05-06 15:33:42 +0000 UTCI adore this episode alot! Probably more than you which is strange as you did seem to look "hooked". Brilliant script (Depsite the no. of writers) Love the score, (You didn't mention this in your reaction!) As a geeky teen seeing this on 1st air, I loved seeing Utopia Planitia, how the Galaxy Class starships were built, and yeah Leah Brahms, and all the "technobabble". I presume Picard did not acknowledge AI Leah because they were all about to die. (running out of time) I cant praise this episode enough and sets the path for even more character building and "technobabble! .. so prepare yourselves! LOL Somebody send over the ST TNG Technical Manual.. You will both love it ! LOL ;)
Andrew Bassey
2024-05-06 13:54:04 +0000 UTCW/e she was a big part of the enterprise D engineers that’s why Geordi chose her.
Jason Biggs
2024-05-06 11:40:23 +0000 UTCThat’s a good point. To me this episode is one of the few examples where Picard makes such an obvious tactical error. Data clearly says it’s possible that phasers will be absorbed and redirected as radiation, but Picard ignores him and fires them anyway. Why wouldn’t he have used the photon torpedoes instead? Even if it didn’t work, it wouldn’t have put them in more danger like the phasers did.
Bryce Ronee
2024-05-06 11:14:20 +0000 UTCwell they already switched of the distress signal when they boarded the ship, so it wouldn't lure anymore ships, if they left a buoy with a warning message, they could have contacted starfleet they could have sent specialists, not only to retrieve the battleship, but discover how the trap worked, it tech over 1000 years old but still almost took out a galaxy class starship, the top of the range federation ship, worth having to just find to add to starfeet arsenal
Dark Kronis
2024-05-06 10:18:42 +0000 UTCThis is where it all changes, really. Michael Piller came in and made it an edict that every episode not only had to be ABOUT something, but it had to ABOUT at least one of the lead characters, with the sci-fi plots being a means to tell stories about people.
Andy Frankham-Allen
2024-05-06 08:35:38 +0000 UTCThey specifically said she helped designed the Galaxy class
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:31:03 +0000 UTCback then they were apparently very wary of fans due to the perception trek fans were weird and some bad experiences with fans they had hired. There was an example of a fan who was stealing stuff for memorabilia from the studio. That attitude has changed not just on trek but across the board.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:25:52 +0000 UTCData is the second officer (in command after riker) and Operations officer. Its a bit like science officer but broader. You have the helm control on he bridge, the weapons stations, and his station runs other ships functions like scanners, analysis, etc.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:19:34 +0000 UTCwhos the booby trap for? It was left over from an ancient war, not unlike land mines today which are sill dangers decades after the war they were from ended.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:16:40 +0000 UTCby the way, the "attractive casting" thing is funny because on of the things you notive about fan production is the people arent as good looking, i.e. look more "normal" Its funny how we forget how good looking everyone on tv has to be.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:05:26 +0000 UTCI imsgine people in the future would be attractive with all the health and cosmetic options available. Interestingly, as measured by symmetry, women are evolving to become more atttractive over time whereas men are not, indicating that a women's attractiveness leads to more offspring (and or better options for sucess for he offspring) whereas it is not a significant enough factor for men to show up (men are no more or less symmetrical then they were 50 years ago)
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:03:56 +0000 UTCWhen he said "handsome people" my mind immediately went to the fish assasins from the Lwaxanna Troi episode.
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:01:11 +0000 UTCThe reason women reject geordi- because he lacks confidence. In the holodeck scene, hes clearly trying way too hard for a first date. Its not there's anything wrong with him, its a self perpetuating cylce. "I don't do well with women, I feel insecure about which women pick up on, i try to overcompensate, and it backfires. The scene in the holodeck is the equivalent of the Nerdy guy reading love poetry to a girl on a first date. Too much, too fast, it reeks of desperation, and its a turnoff. Geordi just needs some confidence and to "be himself" around women. This is probably something a section of the audience related to. Remember, this was a time when "nerds" and "nerd culture" were NOT socially accepted,
paultardspambot .
2024-05-06 07:00:17 +0000 UTCOh man, some of the anecdotes the "the Unofficial Oral History of Star Trek" were just... Roddenberry was an interesting fellow. he'd have been cancelled for sure in this century.
Nolan
2024-05-06 06:55:01 +0000 UTCCan't hear that Luke line without thinking of the Robot Chicken sketch.
Nolan
2024-05-06 06:48:48 +0000 UTC*Flashbacks to SFDebris rant about what event horizons are, a descriptor of a concept, not a physical thing.*
Nolan
2024-05-06 06:47:48 +0000 UTCDilithium Crystals date back to the Original Series. Used in many episodes. Such as the boring and bad "The Alternative Factor" and the episode where Kirk smacked around a princess "Elaan of Troyius" who had a necklace made of dilithium. So it'll probably remain part of the engine system at least until the modern era, of which I don't pay attention too.
Nolan
2024-05-06 06:42:07 +0000 UTCIsn't that all futuristic/technology-sounding dialogue, though?
Jovet
2024-05-06 05:57:39 +0000 UTCNo she wasn't. "Doctor Leah Brahms, engineer. Graduate of the Daystrom Institute Theoretical Propulsion Group. Galaxy class starships, team seven, junior member."
Jovet
2024-05-06 05:51:55 +0000 UTC@Target Audience I have the perfect "WTF???" response to that, but unfortunately, you won't get it. Yet.
Jovet
2024-05-06 05:49:45 +0000 UTCI dare say that someone living with 24th century technology and recordkeeping would find it much easier to be preserved or "reproducible" (ugh that's a terrible pun, too) on the holodeck. I doubt that any information from our "backward" era would really be good enough. Sorta like how video from the 70s and 80s looks like shit today.
Jovet
2024-05-06 05:48:29 +0000 UTCI've always been on the fence, it could go either way for me. It's a rare thing I don't have a strong opinion about.
Jovet
2024-05-06 05:46:13 +0000 UTCThey did say enterprise, but I believe Leah Brahms helped design the engines for the galaxy class starship.
Just another Red Shirt
2024-05-06 05:33:14 +0000 UTCData is the “Second Officer” a.k.a. third in command. He also is typically stationed at the operations station when the bridge is fully staffed. Wesley or any other Ensign in the command career path will typically man the “con”. The “con” is basically just a steering wheel for the ship. Unreal navy ships. There is typically a lower ranked person who is stationed at the wheel.
Just another Red Shirt
2024-05-06 05:24:06 +0000 UTCNope, Technobabble is almost entirely meaningless. It is inserted to get around thorny plot issues, when the writers need to save time, or need to pull a rabbitt out of a hat.
Numinous2019
2024-05-06 04:45:51 +0000 UTCShout out to Gabrielle Beaumont! Besides this series she also directed episodes of DS9 and Voyager. And for what it's worth, she later directed my personal favorite episode of TNG.
Moonlander
2024-05-06 02:26:45 +0000 UTCShe said she worked on the Enterprise D while she was tearing up gift wrap.
JGoss
2024-05-06 01:36:49 +0000 UTCIt's a shame you guys got overwhelmed by the sci-fi nature of this episode because you ended up stepping on some of the best lines during your commentary. When Picard comes back from the Battle Cruiser and he's overjoyed for example. This episode is a banger especially that ending!
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-05-06 01:34:23 +0000 UTCThe solution was to shoot at them with ballistic weapons. Phasers were obviously a no-no.
JGoss
2024-05-06 01:33:15 +0000 UTCScript: "We need a giant blow-up warp core set that Geordi can walk into and figure out the solution from the inside out" Production: "Best I can offer is a schematic on sliding glass"
JGoss
2024-05-06 01:31:20 +0000 UTCWithout delving into the future, I'm referring to the intent in the moment. In the moment, it feels like a throwaway gag from O'Brien. At least to me.
JGoss
2024-05-06 01:29:16 +0000 UTCI still don’t find anything in this episode creepy. It is odd that there would be no rules about recreating a real living person in the holodeck to do whatever you’d like with, but imo I don’t care that much.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-06 01:03:17 +0000 UTCRight...there has to be records....so if someone wanted to make a holograph of Jimmy Carter, or Ronald Reagan (trying to be bipartisan in my selection) the computer should have video records, historic documents, voice records, and could make pretty good duplicates and the computer could also use what they know about each President to try to guesstimate how they might answer something. But if you tried to make a holograph of my Grandpa Chester, or Grandpa Joseph....the computer wouldn't have any records to know their voices, no documents to know their views, and maybe only a few photographs if they somehow lasted (maybe the old 400 year Facebooks of family if they somehow weren't lost). (Of course it's possible they wouldn't even have much on Reagan and Carter, depending on how many records survive the nuclear war [referenced in season one so not a spoiler]).
Greg Quinn
2024-05-06 01:01:05 +0000 UTCNo, Leah Brahms worked on the Enterprise D, not the original. You can tell because the under-construction Enterprise D in the spacedock in the background. of the holodeck set.
Evan Guthrie
2024-05-06 00:55:20 +0000 UTCSeems like internal issues are handled by regular security (who also handle external threats) and those are controlled by the direct chain of command. Worf, then Riker then Picard (Data could step in but I don't think he is generally considered in that direct chain of command).
Greg Quinn
2024-05-06 00:54:34 +0000 UTCthe difference maker is dead vs living? nothing creepy was depicted here imo
James Bottas
2024-05-06 00:54:30 +0000 UTCData is the MVP.
Greg Quinn
2024-05-06 00:52:11 +0000 UTCDisagree. But that's a discussion for a later episode. : )
StonyD
2024-05-06 00:48:38 +0000 UTCFinally a teaser that was only a slight spoil.
Greg Quinn
2024-05-06 00:48:35 +0000 UTCC'mon guys, next you'll tell us you missed the particularly unusual shape of the subspace antenna on the matte paintings for Starbase 173!!!
JD Nevesytrof
2024-05-06 00:36:07 +0000 UTCI have a totally cogent psychological observation to make regarding the behavior of two of our beloved TNG characters but it won't make any sense until a third character shows up later this season. You will just have to await my cleverness until then lol.
Alan Thompson
2024-05-06 00:08:57 +0000 UTCWe didn’t miss it, we literally mention exactly what you said in this discussion.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-05 23:24:46 +0000 UTCNo, the hazard would've posed too great a threat to passing ships or ambitious salvagers, especially since they never discovered how to deactivate the assimilators.
Patrick47
2024-05-05 23:18:13 +0000 UTCThey could have placed a warning buoy.
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2024-05-05 23:12:49 +0000 UTCThe end was also massively questionable. The ship was obviously a big find, and they knew about the energy syphons. There was no reason to destroy the ship, another crew could have recovered the vessel.
Dark Kronis
2024-05-05 22:52:13 +0000 UTCThere are generally 3 types of episode scripts in Star Trek. 1. A writer writes a coherent script that gets used for an episode example The Bonding. 2. A writer submits a script that doesn’t work but has good ideas so the writing staff takes it and runs with it: this episode. That’s where you get a story by credit you don’t recognize but a few other names you do. 3. They have an idea they want to do and each writer on staff contributes a little bit to the story/script.
Jonathan
2024-05-05 22:48:02 +0000 UTCThere's quite a few plot points that you guys talk over. Just saying... for instance, when Wesley said "uh oh" you missed it. That's why Data said it once he understood. I think this episode hit it out of the park.
Michael Metrick
2024-05-05 22:37:49 +0000 UTCThe part about Picard coming into the Holodeck and having the strange reaction to Geordi's introduction to Leah Brahms I actually didn't find weird at all. I interpreted that as him being annoyed (as I would have been if I were in his shoes). Remember, Picard questioned Geordi in the briefing about why he wanted to turn the Holodeck back on when they're in a crisis, and Geordi says something vague like he needs to run some simulations or something. So consider this from the point of view of a retired Air Force guy (me, lol). We're on a tight deadline, lives are at stake, I clearly gave the Chief Engineer a direct order to figure out a course of action within two hours, I try to get a progress report and find him in the Holodeck trying to introduce me to a simulated woman! From Picard's perspective, he really has no idea what Geordi has been up to all of this time, only the audience does. So for me it's like, bro - we're all gonna die in less than an hour! WTF are you doing in the holodeck? That was my interpretation of his facial expression in that moment.
Bryce Ronee
2024-05-05 22:30:16 +0000 UTCAlso, I never got the sense that Leah Brahms was dead from watching this either. I thought she was just some random scientist who worked at Utopia Planitia who Geordi had never met. If it had been "Scotty" that Geordi asked for a simulation of instead, then I'd have assumed that he was dead because he would have been extremely old by that time. But the Enterprise-D was still a relatively new Starship, so the designers would all most likely still be alive.
Bryce Ronee
2024-05-05 22:16:55 +0000 UTCYeah, it sounds like a child complaining to his parents that they're making him go to bed on a school night, lol. "Mom!"
Bryce Ronee
2024-05-05 22:12:07 +0000 UTCProbably been answered already but Data has multiple duties on the ship. His official job as "Operations Officer" is to monitor all of the ship's non-engine related systems, and if necessary do things like manually override functions or reroute power to different areas. All of these functions can also be done from main engineering, however having a dedicated Operations Officer frees up the Chief Engineer to focus on maintaining engine functionality or coming up with more "power". Data also monitors the ship's active sensors, does detailed scans on systems, planet, ships, etc, and advises the captain on the best course of action based on all of the data he acquires. In this role, he is essentially dual hatting as a "Science Officer". Finally, as the highest ranking Lieutenant Commander, Data is also the ship's "Second Officer" (which is actually the third in command). He is expected to take command of the Enterprise when Captain Picard and Commander Riker are off the ship, relieved of duty, or otherwise incapacitated. Data also has many unofficial duties on the ship as well. Given that he's an android, his physical and analytical abilities are abused endlessly by the crew. He is often chosen for away missions due to his ability to survive in a hostile environment, interface with an alien computer, or do some other thing that only Data can do. I refer to these as unofficial duties because a human Operations Officer would most likely not be called upon to do these things, but Data is unique.
Bryce Ronee
2024-05-05 22:03:05 +0000 UTCYeah, considering Leah is an alive person there isn’t really any comparison.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-05 21:46:44 +0000 UTCIt's not a zero-sum game. Riker creating a completely fictional entity for his own amusement is fine. Geordi's situation is more inadvertent, but the implications of it are not.
Steven Johnson
2024-05-05 21:45:25 +0000 UTChttps://images.app.goo.gl/TJPnQuvJ7b1qRbQ79
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-05 21:43:09 +0000 UTCIf you think back to 1101001, Data ordered the evacuation of the Enterprise when Picard and Riker could not be located. A small hint to his position on the ship. =)
James Knight
2024-05-05 21:29:29 +0000 UTCAlso Leah was the head engineer of the Enterprise D not the name Enterprise
Jason Biggs
2024-05-05 21:28:06 +0000 UTC@Collin Freeman "...unless they're blind." — Leonard Nimoy, probably.
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:26:02 +0000 UTCYep. Maybe they're just not on the spectrum enough. LOL
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:24:45 +0000 UTCFunny you mention the free script writing TNG had an open script policy where u could mail them a story and if they like it they’d use it.
Jason Biggs
2024-05-05 21:23:29 +0000 UTC"Nobody dies in science fiction." - Leonard Nimoy
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 21:21:24 +0000 UTC27:14 But when Picard and company were on the cruiser, Worf turned off the distress beacon. So that's a moot point. Additionally, the distress beacon didn't seem to be getting very far, because there were not any other ships that had responded and become trapped there.
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:16:36 +0000 UTCBut Geordi did not make Leah with intention of being personally entertained. And I believe the simulation interacted and initiated with him romantically on its on and first. It's not like Geordi created her to have sex with. Meanwhile Riker is literally creating Minuet for pleasure. I don't see the comparison.
StonyD
2024-05-05 21:15:52 +0000 UTC"Ensign, you didn't harass that woman with nearly enough rizz. Work on it."
Juan Tutrífor
2024-05-05 21:12:07 +0000 UTC23:40 As in the contemporary military, the chain of command is "HR". A better question might be "Does Star Fleet have a military police?"
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:11:54 +0000 UTCGene Roddenberry's idyllic vision of the future precludes any sexual harassment policies.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-05-05 21:10:43 +0000 UTC22:40 No. Dr. Brahms worked on the Enterprise D specifically. Her involvement in other projects, and the status of being dead or alive, are not discussed in the episode. I would assume she's NOT dead, since she is pretty young and the Enterprise D was not built that long ago.
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:09:47 +0000 UTCLeah Brahms did not work on the original Enterprise. She worked on/created the engines for the Enterprise D which was stated by the computer during Geordi's initial inquiry. Also in the background of the simulator you can see, multiple times, the Enterprise D being built right outside the window at the shipyard.
Toysruskiddd
2024-05-05 21:07:36 +0000 UTCThe problem is that there is and it’s Troi! In typical HR fashion, she’s hooking up with a top level executive (Riker).
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-05-05 21:07:03 +0000 UTCHe’s basically Spock though he’s seated more like Chekov. Chekov was just a navigator.. at times it seems like either him or Worf can handle communications. I like to think that Ihura developed some filtering software that made her old job obsolete
Philbot
2024-05-05 21:06:37 +0000 UTCROTFL!
Jovet
2024-05-05 21:05:59 +0000 UTCRiker in charge of HR..sounds like a few companies I’ve worked for haha
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-05-05 21:00:55 +0000 UTCThere is no HR Department on the Enterprise.
Toysruskiddd
2024-05-05 21:00:39 +0000 UTC4:01 The moment you see something that doesn't look like the Enterprise, you can assume it's the holodeck.
Jovet
2024-05-05 20:49:24 +0000 UTC2:55 Where did you get the impression it's "any person who's ever been alive?" It's not. There are records, logs, notes, and pre-programmed interactive programs made during and to assist in the construction of the Enterprise. Dr. Brahms was a significant contributor to designing the ship's warp engines, so it's natural she would leave a large paper (and audio) trail in the wake of that.
Jovet
2024-05-05 20:47:45 +0000 UTCLeah Brahms is not dead, she's the age shown here. You missunderstood that.. she indeed designed the engine of the Enterprise D, not the original enterprise. So she's a contemporary to Geordi. That's why the potential issue arrises with re-creating a living person on the holodeck. As for HR... technically that's Riker's job. As first officer all personel assignments and issues are his job.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-05-05 20:29:15 +0000 UTCI originally thought the Leah person was long dead, but if it's the case she is still living then yes that is much different.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-05 20:27:13 +0000 UTCThis is a pretty good episode.....but there is one in this season that's coming up that is considered to be in the top 5 episodes of the entire series...some say the best.
Monty Crawford
2024-05-05 20:18:24 +0000 UTCMeh. It' like comic books. How many times did they kill someone off and just bring them back to life later.
Monty Crawford
2024-05-05 20:16:54 +0000 UTCVoyager is going to melt their brains.
Monty Crawford
2024-05-05 20:15:14 +0000 UTCFor the sake of clarification, the Utopia Planitia Shipyards on Mars (where Geordi's holo-program takes place) are Starfleet's primary ship design/construction facilities in the 24th century. Dr. Leah Brahms was indeed involved in the design of the engines for the Enterprise 1701-D. As to whether she's alive or not, or how accurate the simulation was, that's for us to know and you to find out.
Avaria
2024-05-05 20:11:13 +0000 UTCWell, the difference is Minuet was an entirely fictional entity, at least as far as we know. Leah is a real person. Not to make it too personal, but imagine if someone had a personality profile of your wife and recreated her in the holodeck for their own... gratification. I think that's where the creep factor comes in for most people. There has actually been long discussions in the past about why holodeck images are not more restricted. Geordi didn't have to do any kind of security check of any kind.
Steven Johnson
2024-05-05 20:01:07 +0000 UTCData is the Operations Officer. On TNG, it's an amalgamation of the Science Officer and Internal Systems Officer from TOS.
Darin Wagner
2024-05-05 19:57:05 +0000 UTCThey did have a Trek fan on staff to check for canon continuity. Richard Arnold had the title of Research Consultant on the show.
Screaming Frog
2024-05-05 19:55:51 +0000 UTCYeah I didn’t find it creepy at all. Wouldn’t have Riker & Minuet been creepy by that same logic? Can’t wait for the technobabble to kick in so you can all see our eyes glaze over
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-05-05 19:54:21 +0000 UTCYou know what they say about assume.
Steven Johnson
2024-05-05 19:54:17 +0000 UTCI always took O'Brien as bullshitting about ships in bottles, not to be a brown noser, but to just not leave Picard hanging. The smirk to Riker and dismissive "ships in bottles? great fun!" made the whole thing seem tongue in cheek.
JGoss
2024-05-05 19:48:55 +0000 UTCAhhh, we're like 50 episodes in, and we haven't heard the word TACHYON once yet!
JGoss
2024-05-05 19:41:52 +0000 UTCDon't assume Leah or anyone else mentioned in any episode is dead unless they say so, and sometimes not even then.
KatWithAttitude
2024-05-05 19:41:18 +0000 UTCJust you wait, Collin
Ee'char
2024-05-05 19:36:42 +0000 UTCTechnobabble, thy names are Brannon Braga and Joe Menosky....
JGoss
2024-05-05 19:32:15 +0000 UTCHAHAHA. Glorious.
Steven Johnson
2024-05-05 19:28:26 +0000 UTCThanks, James.
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 19:28:15 +0000 UTCStardate with 40xxx is one year before TNG season 1. 41xxx is 2364, 42xxx is 2365, etc.
JGoss
2024-05-05 19:27:28 +0000 UTCI love that you guys are calling this technobabble. Let me tell you somethin' about technobabble. Season 3 doesn't have technobabble. It has tech speak. Most of it is actually fairly coherent. Technobabble comes later. When they started the nasty habit of literally writing into the script shit like this: DATA Tech. And then another writer would come in and write tech. THAT is technobabble, my friends. And there are some DOOZIES to come, let me tell you... Hoo. Like when they talk about reorienting the crystals/lattice. Yeah, okay, turn the crystals so the energy passes through them at a different angle. I get that. And at this stage in TNG they are still keeping the tech in line with the drama. What do we need to do? We need to get more power to keep the shields up to protect us from the radiation. Got it. Problem 2, we need to make fast enough changes in our power output so that we can beat the devices draining the power. Got it. ... But, can we actually do it? Well, the only way we can do that is to let the computer do it.... But the computer may not be able to robustly respond to dynamic changes in the situation. A human can. Generally among Star Trek fans, at least in the modern world, people think this whole thing is creepy. I don't recall that being the case years ago, I think that's more of a modern reexamination of the episode. I am shocked that it didn't come off that way to you guys, but once again that's the great thing about these reactions is getting that "virgin eyes" perspective on the show after years of hard lined dogma from the community. There is a nuanced piece of context that i'm not going to correct that makes the usage of the Brahms image more troubling.
Steven Johnson
2024-05-05 19:26:31 +0000 UTCThanks. I was never clear on what that all entailed. It was much easier in TOS when you had a helmsman, navigator, communications officer, etc. You knew what they did by their titles. Ops is too unspecific for me.
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 19:23:39 +0000 UTCA good episode as it focuses on Geordi, but honestly a blueprint for a lot of TNG going forward..a character arc framed by a (sometimes barely related) sci-fi premise.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-05-05 19:23:34 +0000 UTCI think the insinuation was that Leah Brahms designed the engines for the Enterprise-D because the computer used Stardates in the 40,000's which would put it in the 24th century and the Enterprise-D is not that old (maiden voyage in Encounter at Farpoint). I find that a little cringe for the fact she is a real person. What happens if the real Leah finds out this stranger has created an AI-Viagra program of her? HR, indeed. The whole using-AI-to-fulfill-intimate-fantasies thing just creeps me.
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 19:18:53 +0000 UTCData is Chief of Operations (Ops). He is basically in charge of monitoring all operations of the ship and crew, and third in command. It's multifaceted overall.
StonyD
2024-05-05 19:18:36 +0000 UTCGeordi's "computer!" line reminds me of Luke Skywalker in New Hope: ‘But I was going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters.’ It's more in the delivery than the line.
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 19:11:59 +0000 UTCPretty sure Starfleet looked at Spock & Chekhov, decided that could be one guy's job, and merged their positions into Data's Ops console. "Sorry, Chekhov, but what exactly do you DO here..."
Juan Tutrífor
2024-05-05 19:11:33 +0000 UTCData's official title is Chief Operations Officer and 2nd officer of the Enterprise (behind Riker who is first officer). What the Chief Ops Officer's job on the ship actually is ... well, you'll just have to wait and see if that is explained.
Collin Freeman
2024-05-05 19:06:33 +0000 UTCThe technobabble in these early seasons is soooooo tame. You poor saps have no idea....
JGoss
2024-05-05 19:04:12 +0000 UTCIn Ten-Forward, a "Geordi on the Beach" is a virgin Sex on the Beach.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-05-05 18:55:51 +0000 UTC
