UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek S2E18 - Up the Long Ladder
Added 2024-03-15 12:00:11 +0000 UTC
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For a few months catching up on the 155 reactions between The Man Trap and the start of TNG S3, I've known this episode got a particularly bad reception, but I didn't know that the Irish stereotypes didn't even factor into it. Oh well, at least O'Brien is the only part of Trek going forward that touches on Irish culture and we never have to worry about these painful stereotypes again.....right? So just to clear up the misconception, even though I'm sure others have and this was over 4 months ago, the Mariposa brought both the luddite Irish settlers and the science and tech geeks that started the second colony. The Irish were dropped off first, and the rest went to a separate star system half a light year away(about 31,000 times the distance between Earth and the sun) so that's why you didn't hear anything else about the flares. The Mariposans were too far away to be affected. And yes I do appreciate Pulaski covering for Worf here. She's grown a ton by this point in the season. That was a very respectable gesture on her part. But between Worf's "klingon measles" story, and the Irish settlers, and the cloning deal, I can certainly understand how the narrative issues are a turn off. It's all just a big mess that plays like an anthology of short stories but doesn't give any of them enough time or material to be compelling. As for the Mariposans, I'm surprised the didn't save a bunch of DNA from the originals(and a few subsequent generations) and keep cloning from that as long as possible to avoid genetic degradation. I also find it unlikely that without genetically engineering out or supressing their sex drive with drugs, that they would get to a point of swearing off sex completely. Also while I'm sure few Enterprise crew would offer to be cloned, of the 1000 people onboard, there would probably be plenty that would be willing to be sperm/egg donors on the condition they would be used for impregnation and not cloning. Having a child that shares half your genetics is a huge difference than having a clone of yourself running around. That said, it really did feel like Riker straight up murdered 2 people here. Granted the clones, though appearing to have grown to adult size, still looked semi transparent, so I don't know how the cloning process works or if they had achieved any sort of consciousness, but it would have been much less uncomfortable if they just found a couple jars with their cells and vaporized that instead. Not handled well at all IMO. As for the ending, I really don't feel anyone was forced into anything. The alternative to coming onto the Enterprise was to die on their former planet. And at the end, he offers to take her to a starbase and from there she can figure out where to go. That's not coercion or blackmail or gaslighting. If she doesn't want to be part of this colony, nobody forced her. If her dad wants to have his 3 wives, the only way to not split them up is to deny him the right to choose. In short if Danilo wants to stay and she doesn't, and that results in them being broken up, they're both grown ass adults who have to make that decision for themselves. Picard's not forcing anything on anyone. Still, while I might have found the stereotypes amusing as a kid, it's fairly cringe as an adult, and this episode just really doesn't work all things considered. I'll take Outrageous Okona over this any day.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-07-19 04:24:57 +0000 UTCas in its phrased like its a choice but it really isnt one? i can see what you mean
Narnman
2024-03-29 23:56:18 +0000 UTCAt the end, Picard gives her an ultimatum. She can either have 3 random husbands (and have children with them), or be alone, away from the planet where her family and all of her people will be. The writing is manipulative and out of character, but also portrayed as being positive. It's nonsense.
Jorm
2024-03-29 10:49:07 +0000 UTCSame
Shatner's Cigarette
2024-03-21 19:48:59 +0000 UTCPicard: What happened? Data: He pooped his pants, sir.
Archangel42
2024-03-21 02:34:42 +0000 UTCI remember learning the word anachronism from IMDB trivia. Now, as a history nerd, I'm overly conscious and critical of them in period pieces.
Charles D.
2024-03-19 15:42:12 +0000 UTCFacsimile is why we have the term fax as in fax machine which is just a short version of facsimile
Jack Fletcher
2024-03-19 04:25:49 +0000 UTCI love Picard's genuine laugh at a situation outside of his control
Alan Thompson
2024-03-19 03:47:01 +0000 UTCHappy St. Patrick's Day: The Next Generation
Jeff Lawson
2024-03-18 17:24:53 +0000 UTCIt invokes eugenics - only people genetically acceptable may reproduce
tanuki trouble
2024-03-18 03:12:17 +0000 UTC@Anthony Bernacchi Why is it dark and disturbing?
Jovet
2024-03-17 17:18:39 +0000 UTCYes, I thought of that. It's a very dark, disturbing moment when Geordi enters the room and they make no attempt to stun him.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-17 13:08:15 +0000 UTC40:09 So you guys didn't know facsimile but you do know blatherskite? :-D
Jovet
2024-03-17 01:16:32 +0000 UTC34:18 35:00 With Geordi's genetic disposition to blindness, they won't want to steal his DNA.
Jovet
2024-03-17 01:09:34 +0000 UTCApparently Cmdr Riker didn't do a very good job at mellowing her out, if you know what I mean. LOL!
Jovet
2024-03-17 01:03:39 +0000 UTCSorry, Philbot. It's the only face I've ever had, and I've earned those gray hairs.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-16 23:35:07 +0000 UTCGuess its these guys https://img.comc.com/i/Boxing/1991/Kayo---Base/183/Weaver-Triplets-(Floyd-Weaver-Lloyd-Weaver-Troy-Weaver).jpg?id=8779e4c8-3e31-4984-bfea-081209da5f90&size=zoom
Narnman
2024-03-16 22:46:42 +0000 UTCCan you check the audio levels on your recordings? The recent videos seems to be really quiet. I've had to turn your videos up to max and turn down the episode and turn my speakers way up to balance it recently.
Bret Kay
2024-03-16 21:32:15 +0000 UTCAccording to a pre-TNG behind-the-scenes book -- I forget whether it was "The Making of Star Trek" by Gene Roddenberry and Stephen Whitfield or "The World of Star Trek" by David Gerrold -- active-duty members of Starfleet of all genders normally receive birth control injections once a month. Of course, presumably there are exemptions for religious, cultural or philosophical reasons, and, in the TNG era, for people planning to start a family. Also, neither book is canon, but this practice has been part of my head canon for a long time. (Because of the birth control injections and the biofilters in the transporters, Starfleet personnel can have unprotected sex whenever they want. Riker doesn't necessarily even know what a condom is and has almost certainly never worn one.)
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-16 14:23:31 +0000 UTCWhere do you think I find all the stuff I write in my comments? ;-)
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-16 14:16:07 +0000 UTCStop that! I am her to avoid all those toxic haters in the fandom.
Sam Langanke
2024-03-16 08:24:21 +0000 UTCThey are basically a Firefly world.
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:37:32 +0000 UTCThat first clone baby is going to look suspiciously like Riker.
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:32:39 +0000 UTCI always thought when you mate with clones despite having 3 husbands each aren’t your kids going to be accidental cousins? And you better keep track of who’s who’s kid so they aren’t cousin fucking.. too much? 😆
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:26:08 +0000 UTCI can see where “No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" is pro choice. I’m not entitled to your kidney just because I need it and fuck you for trying to have rights.. 😆
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:23:50 +0000 UTCCongratulations 🍾
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:17:14 +0000 UTCCollin Freeman your Avatar looks like my ex. 😆
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:14:06 +0000 UTCThey seem to go there at least to some extent. Worf seems open to the possibility?? I know he said human women are too frail, but maybe she seems to be made of sterner stuff..
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:06:56 +0000 UTCThe Polyamory was probably Gene’s contribution. It makes sense in a logical thinking type way, but it’s like “hey traditional ladies you need three husbands each and not really your choice?” ?
Philbot
2024-03-16 05:01:42 +0000 UTCObscure fact: The same line had previously been used by Gopher in a "Love Boat" episode where Barbi Benton played a nudist.
James H
2024-03-16 02:38:24 +0000 UTCAs you can tell from the computer diagram (if you've watched "Space Seed" at least 50 times), the S.S. Mariposa was a DY-500 class ship, the forerunners of which were the DY-100 ships such as the Botany Bay. So there's a Khannection for you.
James H
2024-03-16 02:34:50 +0000 UTCStop being so uptight ménage a troi
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-03-15 23:54:36 +0000 UTCThe crew of the enterprise live in a utopia, they don’t see people and immediately think the worse. That being said yeah they should be more careful
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-03-15 23:46:01 +0000 UTCI’ve reconsidered I liked this ep, its light hearted and entertaining, they don’t all have to be serious treaties on sci-fi
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-03-15 23:33:20 +0000 UTCToward the end of the season they are finally writing Pulaski well
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-03-15 23:23:59 +0000 UTC🇮🇪 Éirinn go Brách! 🇮🇪
Jovet
2024-03-15 23:15:38 +0000 UTCI wasn't necessarily praising it... just said it's cold. That said, not all cultures view death as a bad thing, or even the end for that matter
James Bottas
2024-03-15 23:14:13 +0000 UTCTriplet brothers Floyd Weaver, Troy Weaver, and Lloyd Weaver.
Jovet
2024-03-15 23:13:48 +0000 UTCI, personally, don't respect the Klingons for taking "the inevitable" and making a ceremony and a glamorized ritual out of it. But I can see that some people do.
Jovet
2024-03-15 23:08:27 +0000 UTC@Derek Orr Pretty big difference in detecting missing cells that were scanned to be there before transport and are missing afterwards, versus some amount of cells that come and go all the time randomly missing (without any prior scan to prove they used to be there).
Jovet
2024-03-15 23:01:30 +0000 UTCMelinda Snodgrass was totally rewritten by Maurice Hurley if I recall correctly.
Jon1701
2024-03-15 22:58:41 +0000 UTCIn my opinion this episode is a total banger, I don't care who knows it LOL
Matt F
2024-03-15 22:37:06 +0000 UTCYeah if you watch 60’s and 70’s westerns this episode would fit right in, guys it was still the 80’s
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-03-15 22:12:39 +0000 UTCThat ep was your punishment for giving so much unwarranted shit to Pulaski.
Michael Owen
2024-03-15 22:10:43 +0000 UTCI really don't see how Troi carrying to term and Picard saying “No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" can be interpreted as pro-choice. If anything both are pretty pro-life. But I actually think you're stretching to fit your own narrative here and they're neither.
Dan Halstead
2024-03-15 21:35:40 +0000 UTCIn fact, there’s actually two! One covering the “canon” stuff, and one covering all the spin off materials, like novels, comics, etc. Memory Alpha and Memory Beta.
Joe Concepts
2024-03-15 21:23:38 +0000 UTCWell he is a Riker
Derek Orr
2024-03-15 21:19:10 +0000 UTCAnother word I thought was commonly understood but apparently is not
Derek Orr
2024-03-15 21:18:22 +0000 UTCTransporters do that 1,000.000 billion times in a few seconds…I think a medical scanner in sick bay can handle detecting a missing few cells
Derek Orr
2024-03-15 21:16:26 +0000 UTCTo be a space faring society and then choosing to not advance and keep spinning wool and drinking booze and subscribing to gender roles etc from the 1900s is just silly
Derek Orr
2024-03-15 21:09:24 +0000 UTCIt was not a spectacular episode, but I’m surprised you guys disliked it as much as you did
Derek Orr
2024-03-15 21:06:21 +0000 UTCSo, um, happy St. Patrick's Day?
badvertised
2024-03-15 20:54:12 +0000 UTCI didn't know that! Thanks for that.
Andrea R
2024-03-15 20:38:33 +0000 UTCThe problem is, they're portraying these Irish people as backwards, dirty, drunken farmers. Even the strong, fiery redheaded Irish woman is a stereotype even if it's more of a positive one.
Joe Concepts
2024-03-15 19:50:33 +0000 UTCHow could they copy people without spinning them round on a table?
AzoriusMage
2024-03-15 19:48:15 +0000 UTCthoes 3 guys on the planet look like eddie murphy lol
Narnman
2024-03-15 19:42:44 +0000 UTCJovet, I don't tend to re-watch season 1 and 2 episodes in full. I mostly just re-watch key scenes from both seasons. I also got Wesley's reaction wrong to the shape-shifting reveal in 'The Dauphin' for the same reason. Generally season 1 and 2 episodes have very clear plots, with less finess in characterisation and plot development than later seasons. So longer term memory is usually enough to discuss them. Obviously not always though.
Numinous2019
2024-03-15 19:10:13 +0000 UTCActually, I am, too. One of my most treasured back issue purchases was buying a reprint of Avengers #4 (I think it was giant-sized Avengers from about 1970) in 1976 at the very first Chicago Comicon. I couldn't afford a real #4 back then (or now). I used 2012 as a more modern reference for the guys.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 19:04:59 +0000 UTCGood tidbit. Thanks.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 19:02:04 +0000 UTCJovet, see my reply below. I had a gap in my recollection of the episode, which resulted in my misattributing the way the colony is oriented.
Numinous2019
2024-03-15 18:58:25 +0000 UTCAndrea's Schmitt, thanks for that clarification. I haven't watched this episode in a long time and I have clearly forgotten key plot points and motivations.
Numinous2019
2024-03-15 18:56:27 +0000 UTC"Death is an experience best shared" Damn. Klingons have the coldest sayings
James Bottas
2024-03-15 18:51:08 +0000 UTCI don't know if anyone has pointed out Picard breaking out into laughter was actually Patrick Stewart breaking out into laughter, unscripted.
Mike Rogers
2024-03-15 18:04:46 +0000 UTCWith a thumbnail like this, do I dare watch? 😂😂
Mike Rogers
2024-03-15 17:38:35 +0000 UTCThe whole point of the colony was that these settlers didn't WANT to progress, they believed in a life closer to nature, without technology, due to having gone through WW3. That was a movement back in the 22nd century. They said that clearly. It had nothing to do with them being 'unable' to develop. They didn't want to.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-03-15 17:30:55 +0000 UTCI'm old school...I prefer when he came out of the ice in 1964. And yes, I have Avengers #4. Not in that great a shape but still worth a few hundred.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-15 17:26:52 +0000 UTCOh please. A guy will sometimes say anything to get laid.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-15 17:23:35 +0000 UTCYeah abortion, immigration, cloning, and much more. I liked it. Definitely not the worst episode of this season. And at least it raises discussions..
Andrew Bassey
2024-03-15 17:19:57 +0000 UTCFuck you, Pulaski is awesome!😂
Just another Red Shirt
2024-03-15 17:07:55 +0000 UTCThe Bringloidi did—the *natural* way—as Riker also pointed out ("we have children").
Jovet
2024-03-15 17:07:35 +0000 UTC*about immigration
Jovet
2024-03-15 17:06:26 +0000 UTCI believe you're reading far too much into it. I see "decent, hard-working people" and you see bigotry. In what way is their society not healthy? If they are happy and satisfied with their lives, who the hell do you think you are to tell them how to live?
Jovet
2024-03-15 17:05:32 +0000 UTC@Ee'char You can see the shadow in the bottom left at 27:07 in the HD version
Doug
2024-03-15 16:53:30 +0000 UTC26:48 "Uhhhh, didn't you just get laid?" I never thought of this. Genius.
JGoss
2024-03-15 16:48:42 +0000 UTCHead cannon: They still got Riker's DNA after the foot washing ritual...
Julie Carter
2024-03-15 16:45:50 +0000 UTCI love your faces when she goes into Rikers Room - Priceless ! LOL Not all Episodes have to have a "hook". From what I recall (reading behind the scenes at the time) it was Melinda's "soap box" about cloning. Granted though, it is a bit of a "mish mash", all part of the season 2 strike. I liked it tho, some funny moments. The scenes with Pulaski and Worf are fantastic !
Andrew Bassey
2024-03-15 16:42:30 +0000 UTCIt would be like detecting someone had removed a few hairs off your head. It just isn't realistic.
Jovet
2024-03-15 16:31:58 +0000 UTCThere absolutely is a big giant Star Trek wiki, it's even worse than Alex fears.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-03-15 16:30:31 +0000 UTCThe most unfortunate thing about this script is that it presents the idea that 300 years in our future, this Irish colony will still be living in the 19th Century and (without interaction with that other colony) they will never make any progress. I know it's supposed to be a comedy episode, but that is serious stereotyping.
Numinous2019
2024-03-15 16:29:33 +0000 UTCWhenever I criticise a script in TNG in the Patreon Takes comments, I do realise just how difficult it is to write to a tight deadline. And most writing is done alone, so it must seriously play on a writer's insecurities as well.
Numinous2019
2024-03-15 16:23:52 +0000 UTCBut was it really? This should have been retitled "The Schizoid Episode"
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 16:21:12 +0000 UTCNowadays, I would agree. That was a little too convenient, even for the 24th century. Add to that the fact cells that line the gastrointestinal tract turnover at a fairly rapid rate compared to most other body cells, and it is highly unlikely even 24th century technology would have been able to detect it, especially with a 2 second tricorder scan.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 16:17:26 +0000 UTCOpposites attract!!
Jovet
2024-03-15 16:16:36 +0000 UTCNice catch
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 16:15:30 +0000 UTC@Ee'char Voyager's opening has a reflection, not a shadow.
Jovet
2024-03-15 16:15:20 +0000 UTCFor some reason, whenever I see that phrase "sexless matron" I read it as "sexy automaton." Which is funnier.
tyranusfan
2024-03-15 16:04:45 +0000 UTCYes!!! More actual pictures!!!! Even if you’re just sitting there, watching.
PIG
2024-03-15 16:03:02 +0000 UTCYep, this was a comedy
Ee'char
2024-03-15 16:02:50 +0000 UTCNo, I'm watching the HD and I can't see the shadow. There IS, however, a shadow in the opening credits of Voyager, which has been the subject of much debate
Ee'char
2024-03-15 16:00:36 +0000 UTC"I thought I had." A nasty shot at Deanna out of nowhere... :)
Joe Concepts
2024-03-15 15:52:01 +0000 UTCOne of the best episodes of Star Trek ever made. No sarcasm.
Darin Wagner
2024-03-15 15:34:45 +0000 UTCThe Doctor Who music I speak of is from a 1988 episode, so it came first.
Jovet
2024-03-15 15:33:05 +0000 UTCWell that's what "new Trek" is, so you can easily find out.
Jovet
2024-03-15 15:31:58 +0000 UTCI just want to point out that, to me, there's a huge difference between abortion and cloning. Gestation and birth is a naturally-evolved process. There's nothing similarly natural about cloning.
Jovet
2024-03-15 15:31:25 +0000 UTCI’m guessing there must be some pretty raunchy fan fiction based on this episode…
Benjamin Azure
2024-03-15 15:20:05 +0000 UTC@Glenn Johnson Barnes I doubt Kyle Riker saw her as a sexless matron.
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:54:38 +0000 UTC46:12 This is supposed to be it, yes.
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:51:38 +0000 UTCWorking title: “Send in the Clones,” which remained the title until late in production and remains present as a line of dialogue. The original title was a reference to the song “Send in the Clowns” from the Stephen Sondheim musical "A Little Night Music"; Sondheim, in turn, named the song after a common theatrical expression, meaning to bring the comedians on stage when a show is flagging. To this day, the listing for this episode on Pluto TV refers to it as “Up the Long Ladder (aka Send in the Clones)”! The final title derives from a phrase in an Irish rhyme, “Up the long ladder and down the short rope,” referring to execution by hanging. (At least one online review suggests that the title refers to the ladder of evolution in the context of this episode. It could also be an allusion to the shape of the DNA double helix.) In a sense, TNG Season 2 is the “pro-choice season” of Star Trek. At least four of its episodes touch upon the abortion issue, whether directly or obliquely. In “The Child,” Worf strongly urges the termination of Troi’s pregnancy for security reasons, but Troi insists on carrying the pregnancy to term. As I mentioned during the discussion of that episode, “It does the usual Hollywood thing of sending a pro-choice message while not offending anyone by emphasizing the pregnant person's right to choose to keep the pregnancy (as with "Juno"). This example is a little more effective than most because of the promptitude with which Picard shuts down the meeting once Troi announces her decision (although he ignores the possibility that the fetus is mind-controlling her).” In “The Schizoid Man,” Picard tells Graves, “No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another.” In this case, scriptwriter Tracy Tormé (who was a man, by the way) may well not have been thinking of the abortion issue at all, but Picard’s statement is applicable to it nonetheless, in that a pregnant person’s bodily autonomy and ability to determine their own destiny depend upon their rights taking precedence over those of the unborn child. In “The Measure of a Man,” Phillipa Louvois concludes her judgement at the hearing by saying, “It is the ruling of this court that Lieutenant Commander Data has the freedom to choose.” Although the philosophical dilemma in that episode is not analogous to the abortion issue except in the broadest and most fundamental sense (the importance of bodily autonomy), it is obvious that writer Melinda Snodgrass, who is pro-choice, used the words “freedom to choose” deliberately. In fact, I suspect it was in part due to those three words that my late mother, who was a huge Data fan but vehemently anti-abortion, never even mentioned “The Measure of a Man” when discussing her favorite TNG episodes. Snodgrass also wrote “Up the Long Ladder,” and here we see Season 2’s most overt and controversial comment on abortion rights. Riker kills his own clone and, with Pulaski’s permission, hers as well, due to the Mariposans having created the clones without Riker and Pulaski’s consent and Riker’s belief that his clone’s existence would diminish him. Riker says afterwards, “I have the right to exercise control over my own body,” to which Pulaski replies, “You’ll get no argument from me.” Fans have nonetheless sometimes agreed with Prime Minister Granger that Riker’s action is murder, since the clones are living humans once they have come into existence – but, by that argument, abortion is also murder. Snodgrass’ polemic intent is clear and unambiguous in this instance. Michael Piller, who would become TNG’s new showrunner early in Season 3, tried in later years to develop an episode that would have been an allegory for the abortion issue. Piller’s idea involved introducing a non-human Enterprise crewmember who, from their own point of view, was an adult. The Enterprise crew would then learn that this crewmember was a fetus of a species that lived on a higher dimension and incubated their young in the Enterprise’s dimension. The adults of this species in the higher dimension decided to abort the Enterprise crewmember, who did not want to die. Piller was unable to make this story work without making the audience’s sympathies lie with the crewmember fighting for their life. Anti-abortion fans would say that Piller’s thought experiment showed why abortion is immoral. I think, however, that it showed only that it would be difficult in a one-hour show to bring viewers to an intellectual and emotional understanding of why the crewmember’s death was necessary. There is an extremely controversial Star Trek episode – the most controversial in the entire franchise – which Alex and Josh will not see for another few years, and which, I think, accidentally accomplished what Piller was aiming for with his story idea. Fans have furiously debated the ending of that episode ever since it originally aired, but few or none, I believe, have perceived the real nature of the moral dilemma in the episode – that it is closely analogous to abortion. Even the writers of the episode seem not to have realized it. That episode inadvertently presents Star Trek’s most powerful argument for the necessity of legal abortion, and fans who criticize the episode’s ending may not realize that they are implicitly failing to understand why even those who believe human life begins at conception (as I do) should support abortion rights. It is terrifying to consider that, by the time Alex and Josh reach that episode, abortion may well be illegal everywhere in the United States. “Up the Long Ladder” is another candidate for the Season 2 episode other than [SPOILER REDACTED] which commenters have said they particularly dislike. Colm Meaney also hated it, for obvious reasons. Sources claim that Picard’s laughter at the antics of the Bringloidi and Riker and Picard’s following lines were ad libs by Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes when Stewart began laughing during the take. However, this exchange appears in the 4th Revised Final Draft script. The Script Department may have updated the passage after the filming of the scene. Brenna’s question to Riker, “Do you not like girls?,” is TNG’s first acknowledgement that non-heterosexual people exist. Rick Berman was always reluctant to feature gay and lesbian characters in Star Trek, ostensibly because TV stations might refuse to air episodes featuring such characters in family-oriented timeslots, but really because he was a homophobe. TOS, with its storylines and character relationships into which viewers could read queer subtexts, was more queer-friendly than TNG, which debuted over 20 years later. Barrie Ingham (Danilo Odell) was one of the candidates for the role of Jean-Luc Picard in 1987. He also voiced the title character of the 1986 Disney film "The Great Mouse Detective" and guest-starred in the 1965 Doctor Who story “The Myth Makers” as Paris (the Trojan prince with whom Helen ran away from her husband Menelaus), making him the third actor the Target Audience has seen in Star Trek to have appeared in both the Doctor Who and Star Trek franchises, after John de Lancie (Q) and W. Morgan Sheppard (Ira Graves in “The Schizoid Man”). “The Myth Makers” is now a lost story due to the BBC’s former practice of junking the videotapes of past programs they no longer considered commercially viable, including large numbers of 1960s Doctor Who episodes. If Alex and Josh ever start making enough money from the Target Audience to do it full time, Doctor Who is probably the only media franchise they could tackle (given their disenchantment with Star Wars) which would be comparable to Star Trek in its scope and scale and the number of viewers it would attract to the channel. However, watching the complete Doctor Who franchise in release order would be an even more complicated task than doing so for Star Trek, for multiple reasons, the foremost of which is the missing episodes. The TNG Season 2 Blu-ray includes several deleted scenes from this episode, including an epilogue which ties all the storylines together a bit better.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-15 14:50:32 +0000 UTCIt's a Ron Jones episode, of course.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-15 14:45:51 +0000 UTCIn HD, you can see the Enterprise's shadow on the rings!
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-15 14:45:15 +0000 UTCHey, the Mariposa will be launched on my 148th birthday!
Joe Concepts
2024-03-15 14:45:08 +0000 UTC35:40 This music really reminds me of some Doctor Who incidental music. LOL
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:41:58 +0000 UTC35:52 I don't think one can scan to find "missing epithelial cells"
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:41:44 +0000 UTCA nice detail that they call them "stellar" flares instead of "solar" flares because it isn't the star "sol", our sun.
Evan Guthrie
2024-03-15 14:39:15 +0000 UTC26:52 Another (unusual) Class M planet with a distinctive ring system.
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:32:32 +0000 UTC23:41 I'm always impressed how huge Commander Riker's hands look on her hair there.
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:29:11 +0000 UTCMelinda Snodgrass once made a comment of something like: "Writing for a weekly television series is like laying railroad track 300 feet ahead of the train that is coming."
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 14:25:33 +0000 UTC3:13 Logical Pet Peeve: The computer should have said "Affirmative" to agree with Riker.
Jovet
2024-03-15 14:08:52 +0000 UTCDexter Clay is the actor-extra who played the security officer you mentioned in this episode. He was in the earlier seasons of TNG, usually as a human security or operations officer.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 13:59:36 +0000 UTCAnachronistic. Sort of :"outdated; out of time". Think Steve Rogers when he first comes out of the ice in 2012 NYC.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 13:47:07 +0000 UTCUnfortunately Pulaski was written very much for the time period. A woman over 50 was either a sexless matron, or a man chasing “joke”.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-03-15 13:36:57 +0000 UTCI love the new thumbnails showing the actual reaction to the show. So it is. ☘️🇮🇪
Jon1701
2024-03-15 13:27:42 +0000 UTCIndeed it would
Collin Freeman
2024-03-15 13:26:20 +0000 UTCThat thumbnail says it all
StonyD
2024-03-15 13:22:41 +0000 UTCWorf and Pulaski would be an interesting pairing.
tyranusfan
2024-03-15 13:19:59 +0000 UTCHow's the craic ye boys, top o' the morning to ya
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-03-15 12:08:24 +0000 UTC
