UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S1E10 - Hide and Q
Added 2023-11-03 13:00:07 +0000 UTC
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This is my least favourite Q episode of the show. While it does start down the path of showing Q's interest in humanity, it also feels like he's at his most malicious to everyone except Riker. I mean in Farpoint he was judging humans as dangerous, but here he's claiming to be so fascinated by humanity and yet treating them like playthings with no regard for their lives. I agree that Data's scene is a standout of the episode, and like other comments have said, it gives a glimpse of what the character becomes. Brent really started to figure out his character at this point. If Troi had been there, Riker would have given her the ability to sense something useful for a change😂. I also agree with the above comment that it came off really badly when Picard basically congratulated Riker for letting a kid die. Would it have killed him to say "I'm sorry you found yourself in that position" or something? Finally the other reason I don't much care for this episode is that it makes Riker seem very corruptible. He doesn't come across as Gary Mitchell evil or anything, but he turns into a pompous ass virtually immediately after getting his powers, then gets humbled at the end and it's business as usual. Q Who did benefit from this episode being a transition point from Q's Farpoint appearance, but they could have done a lot better here.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-19 22:42:23 +0000 UTCThe thing that annoys me the most part this episode, is that Picard practically gives Riker a pat on the back for not saving the life of a little girl. 😡🤬
Leighton Cressman
2023-11-07 21:26:24 +0000 UTCAnother thing that annoys me about this episode is that Riker upon getting Q powers just practically immediately becomes arrogant, and thinks of himself as knowing better with no indication that he has been using his powers other than to save the bridge crew earlier to show that he is becoming corrupted.
Leighton Cressman
2023-11-07 21:24:36 +0000 UTCOne thing that annoys in this episode and there are a lot is the line about how one hand phaser can take out an entire regiment. Correct me if I’m but a French regiment is around 4000 men never mind things like cavalry and artillery yes primitive but would leave one person with a phaser way out numbered and it’s not like that they would line up and let them be shot but would be returning fire. Hay n the end a phaser is still a gun that means you have to point aim shoot.
Leighton Cressman
2023-11-07 21:19:47 +0000 UTCOn the fact that Picard almost seems to talk about Q like this isn't only the second time they met him, back in the day I was a reader of the spinoff fiction, especially the TNG comics. I believe there's at least one Q story set in this first season. In my "head canon" I decided that story happened between Farpoint and this one.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-07 14:13:37 +0000 UTCthis time STTNG itself gave you a spoiler. You got a glimpse of future Klingon interaction.
James Baloun
2023-11-05 05:54:41 +0000 UTCI swear I'm addicted! You guys just dropped this episode and I'm already dying for the next one!
Katie Jackson
2023-11-04 22:22:49 +0000 UTCI never thought much of this episode. I pile it into the heap of "The series trying to find it's footing and stumbling episodes".
Monty Crawford
2023-11-04 19:40:11 +0000 UTCSo when is the next episode out 🤓
AzoriusMage
2023-11-04 17:25:49 +0000 UTCTNG ran on our local Fix affiliate too. Since it was a syndicated show, as you pointed out the Fox affiliates were looking for programming wherever they could get it back then.
Collin Freeman
2023-11-04 14:41:43 +0000 UTCYep. Horny devil.
Collin Freeman
2023-11-04 14:37:29 +0000 UTCThat is so cool! I am jealous.
Collin Freeman
2023-11-04 14:36:26 +0000 UTCWell the goal here is to get them to enough subs and patrons so they can build a bridge set in their mansion :D
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 13:03:18 +0000 UTC"Haven" and "The Big Goodbye" are next I believe
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 13:02:34 +0000 UTCThere are a few sad/not-quite-perfect/ominous endings in this season.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 13:00:36 +0000 UTCWell to be fair, loneliness and lack of a sex life can be really hard on someone. If I imagine Worf as the only member of his species, absolutely no potential partners, socially also rather isolated... I could see why he longs for companionship and intimacy. It was maybe portrayed a bit crude, but I can still see that being something Worf misses very much, living among humans.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 12:59:02 +0000 UTCThis generally seems to be a bit of a turning point in the season and the writers make better use of the characters from now on.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 12:56:59 +0000 UTCAt the time the studios didn't want "arcs". The networks preferred being able to broadcast the episodes in any order and the studios were worried that people would go "Oh I missed the first three episodes, I have no idea what's going on, oh well, let's watch something else"
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 12:55:34 +0000 UTCNext week’s episodes will be listed in our Patron Takes posts this weekend
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-04 02:49:12 +0000 UTCIt kinda is truly funny: Writer: we need Geordi to look at a beautiful woman with his own eyes this episode. Producer: Marina, you're staying at home for this one. 🤣
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 02:19:58 +0000 UTCThese backgrounds that you guys are using are incredible. Whenever I looked down at my phone to look at your reactions, I have to stop myself from forgetting that you’re not really on the bridge. But then again, I’m a senile old fart, so there’s that.
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-04 02:09:16 +0000 UTCI got the peek in the soundstage door on planet Hell when I was visiting the sets. It looked pretty cool in real life and you could really smell the weird polyurethane smell of the big background cyclorama. But then I forgot all about that because the next set I went on was the Enterprise set
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-04 02:05:07 +0000 UTCYep
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-04 02:02:22 +0000 UTCSo which episode is next, guys. My Vudu version of the series has them in a different order. No spoilers, but there are a couple of really good ones coming up. 110011110000011111 blah blah blah Comes to mind as one of the series best. And a real Foretaste of what the series will become as time moves on.
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-04 02:00:51 +0000 UTCHa ha ha! I second that! I will say that I enjoyed it. I remembered all of the beats of this episode. That must mean I’ve seen it more than once. Or I’m not totally senile and I can remember the TV show that I watched 40 years ago.
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-04 01:58:48 +0000 UTC"But it's what you've always wanted Data, to become Human." "Yes, sir. That is true. But I never wanted to compound one… illusion with another. It might be real to Q… perhaps even you, sir. But it would never be so to me. Was it not one of the captain's favorite authors who wrote, "This above all: to thine own self be true?" Sorry, Commander, I must decline."
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-04 01:49:55 +0000 UTCDS9 starts right after the episode Chain Of Command in season 6. Voyager starts right after Season 3 episode 12(Past Tense) of DS9
Katie Jackson
2023-11-04 00:55:49 +0000 UTCThe best thing about this episode is that we are now past it...
StonyD
2023-11-04 00:45:29 +0000 UTCI actually think this is one of the best episodes from Season 1 (although that may not be saying much). Particularly, two scenes in this episode to me hint at how good the show will get later on. Those being the scene between Q and Picard in his ready room, and Riker and Q alone on the planet. Those are both really well written and acted.
Michael Mannisto
2023-11-04 00:20:47 +0000 UTCI am not a fan of this episode for a few reasons, one of them being some of the dialog (the repetition of words like 'penalty box' and 'animal things', and nonsense lines like "Worf, you came out of nowhere." stating the obvious, which sounds like something from a Saturday morning cartoon). You both mentioned some other things that annoyed me. John de Lancie helps save the episode with his performance, as does Brent Spiner. We really start to see Data becoming a full realized character before most of the other cast. Alex - your curiosity about the Q will be rewarded as the seasons progress. His next experience will be both important and memorable. FYI - the planet set that Q sent the crew to play his game was referred to by the cast as "Planet Hell".
Collin Freeman
2023-11-04 00:08:31 +0000 UTCThe show ran on channel 15 here which was the new FOX affiliate. At that time FOX only had on the late show Monday through Friday and prime-time programming on Sunday Nights. Channel 15 here ran TOS Monday through Friday at 6pm followed by new episodes of TNG at 7pm on Monday, new episodes of DS9 on Tuesday and then re-runs of TNG Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. It was a great time for Trek.
Dan Krantz
2023-11-03 23:29:31 +0000 UTCThat's just Gene being Gene!
Mark Chrisco
2023-11-03 22:10:31 +0000 UTCTroi was written out as the producers worked on making her a viable character who does more than say "I sense ---(fill in the blank). Marina herself was afraid this was marking the end of the road for her character.
Mark Chrisco
2023-11-03 22:05:59 +0000 UTCIt’s like “oh great, you think I’m so desperate my deepest wish is to get laid”
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-11-03 21:51:05 +0000 UTCLove the sweater, Alex. That's choice. In many circles this episode, like much of season 1, is looked down upon as "lesser" when compared to the rest of TNG. Though there are split camps on Q episodes.
Steven Johnson
2023-11-03 21:26:41 +0000 UTCWithout any spoilers; from what Alex said about "sad episode endings", I think he's really going to like Deep Space Nine when they get to it.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-03 19:41:45 +0000 UTCWe had the Picard manoeuvre last episode, but we lacked the Riker manoeuvre this episode even with the perfect setup, can't wait for that to come in ☺️
SinocTheHodgeheg
2023-11-03 19:40:38 +0000 UTCTNG on Mondays and DS9 on Tuesdays back in the day. What a time to be alive.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-03 19:40:32 +0000 UTCI think you're right. This really does feel like the first time we get to see a glimpse of the Data we all know and love shine through.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-03 19:38:54 +0000 UTCOdd choice. I think they could have given him something better to work with like idk... maybe make him a great klingon warrior. The Geordi line made it even worse.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-03 19:38:04 +0000 UTC"after dropping off Councelor Troi.." "WOOO!" Dead.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-03 18:31:44 +0000 UTCOnce you get halfway through season six, then you have DS9 running concurrently with TNG. Here TNG ran on Monday night and DS9 on Tuesday.
Dan Krantz
2023-11-03 17:35:32 +0000 UTCNot gonna lie, it's kind of cringe that after the great Data and Geordi moments, we get the goofy Worf Klingon sex kitten temptation. That probably should have been put in earlier.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-03 16:48:15 +0000 UTCI didn't realize it while pre-watching for the comments, but I think Data's little speech turning down Riker's offer of humanity is the first glimpse we get of Data's "real" character over most of the series.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-03 16:40:43 +0000 UTCI believe Q is in 8 TNG episodes altogether. Not really a spoiler as long as I don't say when since you already believe he'll be back again. Your next episode could be a lot of fun.
KatWithAttitude
2023-11-03 16:37:02 +0000 UTCQ does sort of go back and forth between being fun and being serious and dangerous as you've already seen here. DeLancie was just incredibly great casting.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-03 16:35:37 +0000 UTCI don't know, I do think that's what she meant, honestly. But I saw it as more of a "if I was younger, I'd be interested in you" kind of thing. And I didn't really mean that in any creepy way. :) I mean Q does say, "Consorting with the crew?" or whatever. But I guess even more likely, she's just acknowledging what a good guy he is.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-03 16:33:16 +0000 UTCI agree with Josh's appreciation of movies and shows displaying actor credits as the actors appear on screen. "Apollo 13" did that with several cast members in the opening party scene (although not Ed Harris, who doesn't appear until later). On the other hand, so did "Assignment: Earth" with Robert Lansing as Gary Seven! Even though TNG, as you can already tell, is much more serialized than TOS, it's still a fully episodic series in comparison to shows from the streaming era, and the episodes were made to be seen in any order in syndication. That's why Picard gives such a full plot summary of "Farpoint," to fill in anyone who hasn't seen that episode. "I, Mudd" does something similar with "Mudd's Women," although in that case it feels more natural because there's a new character, Chekov, who wasn't in the earlier episode. Many Star Trek fans of my generation first discovered Star Trek in syndicated runs of TOS and TNG, with episodes alternating on the same stations. Encountered in that context, "The Squire of Gothos" feels very much like a Q episode of TOS.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-03 16:21:35 +0000 UTCTroi was in the final draft script (available on the Star Trek Minutiae website), in which she has only eight lines, two of which are "The third ridge...?" and "Oh, no!" However, the script makes a noble effort to keep her involved in the story through non-verbal reactions. For example, when Riker returns from the planet angry after not saving the little girl, the script says, "Troi is watching Riker with such intensity she doesn't seem to be breathing." I think Marina Sirtis could have done some good things with her small role in the script, and it's too bad she was omitted.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-03 16:10:31 +0000 UTCThat photo of you two and Q...I totally though that was Josh holding the lemonade.
Michael Nemo
2023-11-03 16:08:04 +0000 UTCAnd I forgot to factor in STAR TREK CONTINUES... #hatersgonnahate
Michael Nemo
2023-11-03 16:06:43 +0000 UTCJust sitting down to watch but have to say I love the splash image!
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-03 15:59:20 +0000 UTCIt finally happened. I got the sync absolutely perfect on the first try. I'm ready for my Q powers now. This is probably the weakest Q episode. It seems like they had two different ideas for the story. It could have focused on the games on the planet, with the crew trying to navigate Q's unfair rules and avoid having Tasha sent into nothingness. Or it could have focused on Riker being gradually corrupted by the temptation of the Q powers. But they tried to do both, and they both end up feeling rushed.
Jeff Cornell
2023-11-03 15:15:35 +0000 UTCI’m still in denial we will ever hit 100k but I hope I’m wrong
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-03 15:07:55 +0000 UTCMaybe it's just my age but back in the 80s and early 90s flirting and making a compliment was also not such a big deal as it is nowadays. You could express attraction or affection without it automatically being assumed to mean "I want to jump on you right now!"
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-03 14:59:43 +0000 UTCI had the same reaction to Q as Data at the time. There was a quarterly Star Trek TNG magazine that published summaries of a few episodes in each issue. A lot of photos from episodes. One photo was of that moment with Q as Data.
Geoffrey Linehan
2023-11-03 14:28:18 +0000 UTCWow grown up Wesley looked exactly like Wil Wheaton
AzoriusMage
2023-11-03 14:23:54 +0000 UTCI'm thinking it'll be about three seasons a year...basically three months a season then one month off. Gets a bit more complicated once you reach DS9 since it will then be basically double length seasons that will throw off the neat three months on, one month off rhythm but i'm thinking Ds9 mid 2025 and TNG finale roughly in the second quarter of 2026
Dion James Pitman
2023-11-03 14:20:57 +0000 UTCThat actually makes it very likely you'll hit 100k subs before starting DS9.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-03 14:16:31 +0000 UTCOk that makes more sense
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-03 14:09:02 +0000 UTCI think Tasha didn't mean to imply she was attracted to Picard. I think she was just so grateful for not judging her crying, that if he wasn't her superior, she'd hug him and give him a thank you kiss on the cheek or something.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-03 14:03:16 +0000 UTCMake sure to add on some time for short breaks between seasons, Star Trek V & VI, and starting DS9.
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-03 13:58:25 +0000 UTCNot my favorite Q episode..mostly because they improve so quickly..but still an enjoyable romp. (Not a spoiler, as you guys seemed to figure out that Q was more than a one off) This was one of the several “missing Troi” episodes during the first season. And ironically one where it seems she could have been put to good use..I mean ex boyfriend with god powers?
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-11-03 13:41:40 +0000 UTCSo you are now potentially slated to post the Next Gen finale in May of 2025 given current pacing. (I think) 🤔
Michael Nemo
2023-11-03 13:38:57 +0000 UTCJosh's new favorite? 😉
Bret Kay
2023-11-03 13:20:56 +0000 UTCLwhen I first watched this in 1987 encounter at Farpoint and Hide & Q I did’tparticularly like Q. I hope we wouldn’t see him again, because as I figured out from watching Q in those episodes later, they weren’t writing Q very well,but John Delancey had the spirit down Every time I watch these episodes again I am so impressed with Delancey and so annoyed they’re trying to make him true lane instead of Q
Thicketdweller
2023-11-03 13:11:29 +0000 UTC
