UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S1E6 - Where No One Has Gone Before
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Child labor!! Crusher is gonna be pissed when she hears Picard drafted her 16 year old kid. Also Data's whole "51 years, 10 months, 9 weeks, 16 days" makes no sense. That would be more like 52 years, 3 weeks and change. Kosinski may ultimately be pretty harmless as a character, but fuck is that man insufferable. The only way he could actually believe his equations were doing anything was by having his head that far up his ass. The Traveler, yeah he can come across a little creepy. I don't think any of the writing for the character was creepy, like none of his lines read on paper like he's a perv. The whole "you must never talk about these things again" was pretty over the top, but this alien with enigmatic mental powers who sees potential in Wesley isn't the issue. It's just the guy's performance combined with that mentor role comes off strange/creepy. The actor was in the running to play Data, and I think we can all agree he could never replace Spiner. He ended up becoming a lawyer. Given the Enterprise travels a couple billion light years in this episode, I think this must still be an unbroken distance record in trek. Can't think of anything else offhand. Also interesting to see some of the hallucinations/manifestations of the crew. Shame someone didn't just thing of a wormhole back to federation space. The scene with Picard and his mom is probably his best acting to this point. Worf remembering his ill fated childhood pet has echoes of Yesteryear. Finally considering Tasha said she escaped her birth colony at 15, it's pretty horrifying to get that glimpse of what she went through. Wesley becoming an acting ensign this early, it's pretty easy to see where the bad rep came from for his character. It's a little rushed. Still, I do find this to be one of the better episodes of early S1. Very esoteric ideas, but it's certainly original and instills a sense of wonder at "what's out there". I always laugh at that one guy in the skant though. Guy just looks like he wants to die.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-18 03:58:27 +0000 UTCTroi has a lot of conferences to visit! And she likes to stretch herself!!
Jovet
2023-11-24 03:54:45 +0000 UTCThis was a great episode that gives some context to Tasha's outlook/quickness to fight.
DustmanNorochj
2023-10-27 08:07:53 +0000 UTCThe Traveler/Wesley relationship is definitely creepy, but you could argue that alien species would likely seem odd by our standards. With that said, he should probably be put on a list to be safe.
DustmanNorochj
2023-10-27 07:29:33 +0000 UTCI remember meeting Susan Sackett while they were shooting the first season sometime after this point. I guess somehow we were aware that the audience was hating on Wesley because I asked her to take him a personal message that a lot of us supported him and liked him because evidently he was very very hurt at the fans reaction to him. Susan Saka gave me a shooting script from this episode. It was an original script from the set and I treasured it for years until it was destroyed with everything else in the fire in 2018.
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-10-26 15:08:44 +0000 UTCIt never struck me until re-watching it now how profoundly creepy the traveler is. The guys a cootie bomb exploding all over the place. Hey Alex, you should have that traveler costume copied so you can wear it at your next match. Watch the audience faces gape in shock and then dissolve into screaming laughter. Waha ha ha ha!
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-10-26 15:06:06 +0000 UTCI wasn't watching the show in the early years, but a friend told me about some fanzine with an ongoing feature called "Ways to Waste Wesley," so I'm assuming the character was pretty unpopular with fans at the time.
James H
2023-10-24 14:50:12 +0000 UTCHe was also the giant green hand in "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
James H
2023-10-24 14:44:33 +0000 UTCThere are a number of awesome, memorable episodes that you will absolutely love and even rewatch. But none of them are in seasons 1 or 2. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
StealthMomo
2023-10-23 07:23:12 +0000 UTCThere's that prescience again. This episode wasn't nearly as bad as I remember. Season 1 and 2 get the fewest rewatches (other than some other individual episodes in later seasons that are just painful) so it's good to have a reason to go back and watch every episode now that I can have a new perspective on it. It also occurred to me after last episode that it is extremely difficult to have a meaningful discussion of many of these early episodes while avoiding spoilers. Looking at the episode lists for season 1 and 2, there are things that can't fully be discussed until the end of the whole series, and at least one general topic that can't be fully discussed until at least season 3 of DS9. But we'll get there.
Nerd's Gold
2023-10-23 03:21:03 +0000 UTCYes I think that was the thing, that after years of "adult" Star Trek, it felt like them adding a kid was like something out of a sitcom. Though I think so long after, in retrospect, people have come to accept the character.
Joe Concepts
2023-10-22 03:35:46 +0000 UTCI definitely never thought about that. And still don't really see it. Other than they were pretty close for just meeting.
Joe Concepts
2023-10-22 03:31:46 +0000 UTCI think season 4 is a little bit dull compared to 3, 5 & 6.
Numinous2019
2023-10-21 22:00:00 +0000 UTCThey have to write Troi out a lot or she’d immediately uncover alien ploys. They’re worse at it later she’ll just be conspicuously absent. Early season 1 you can see that she’s knowledgeable with etiquette and protocol that’s where she will usually comes in handy. I don’t think she ever got enough props for that.
Philbot
2023-10-21 18:20:51 +0000 UTCThis episode only seems to exist to justify Wesley being part of the A stories. And Kosinski is such an ass, I wanted to reach through the screen and slap him, Stanley Kamel was a great actor.
Phillip Grischa
2023-10-21 15:29:33 +0000 UTCIncluding me.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-21 15:26:12 +0000 UTCIn fairness, his only actual cameo in Star Trek, ever, was as the voice of the Enterprise cook in "Charlie X".
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-10-21 14:25:34 +0000 UTCSome of us have been feeling that urge since TOS Season One.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-10-21 14:23:23 +0000 UTCYeah, but I'm not getting into Discord. I'd never get out if I did.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-21 13:32:11 +0000 UTCMy prediction: During the course of season 1 you WILL come across episodes that you will honestly love and feel are amazing. In my head are 3 episodes that are contenders. Then in season 2 you will come across at least 1 episode where you will feel like: "Wow! I thought those season 1 episodes I love are amazing, now I realize that, yes, they were really good, but THIS is amazing!" Then in season 3 where the very best episodes of season 1 seem to be the base line for a Season 3 episode, when the best episodes of that season come along they will completely blow you away!!! I have a slight fear I'm raising your expectations too high that you might subconsciously become hyper critical, but I have faith in Season 3...
Drawkcabi
2023-10-21 12:11:12 +0000 UTCOoh so it was them being so close? Yeah I don't even notice that sort of thing, I watch too many old shows with low aspect ratio. Nobody has any Personal space there lol
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-21 09:34:42 +0000 UTCHe said "maman", which means "mom"
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-21 09:28:37 +0000 UTCThat's what the discord Server Josh posted is for :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-21 09:25:47 +0000 UTCone of the better season 1 episodes, i enjoy how this both connects to the previous wes appearances AND sets up future plotlines for him. also, biff yeager makes one of his legendary appearances
TivAcrid
2023-10-21 08:28:45 +0000 UTCI thought this was a very good TOS like Ep. The Glimpses into the Past of some of the Main Cast was cool along with finding out just how smart Wesley is. One other thing that is like a TOS Ep...this is the TNG Version of an Arrogant, Know-it-All or Nuts Starfleet Official like (Commissioner Ferris in Galileo 7, Commodore Matt Decker in Doomsday Machine & Dr. Richard Daystrom in Ultimate Computer) I knew you would get a kick out of the end of this one and ask again..."Where is the Bad Episode?" 😀🖖
Duane Chancey
2023-10-21 06:48:52 +0000 UTCI too had that same urge!
Ca$hWednesday
2023-10-21 04:44:12 +0000 UTCIt's interesting how polarizing a character Wesley Crusher is to a lot of the fanbase. I was a young kid right near the end of TNG and the beginning of DS9. I remember relating more to the kid characters in DS9 as they felt more real and got themselves into a lot more situations I could relate to. Wesley did grow on me as I got older.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-10-21 04:42:26 +0000 UTCI actually forgot that a certain Data-centric episode and "that other" episode that teases what's to come in season 3, are both in season 2. I'm sure those are the two you are referring to.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-10-21 04:35:09 +0000 UTCKeep it together Kat 😆 (I know what you mean)
James Bottas
2023-10-21 02:19:11 +0000 UTCThats his mother, not his grandmother. In the Picard series he mentions something about the way he imagines her. I don’t want to spoil it.
Jef Etters
2023-10-21 02:05:15 +0000 UTCNothing. Just messin with ya.
Collin Freeman
2023-10-21 02:02:53 +0000 UTCI like Wes a lot, and my theory is the hatred of him is similar to the hatred of Robin in Batman and how he isn't allowed in the films. Just because he is a kid doesn't mean one has to hate him or fear he makes the show for kids. Riker and Troi are wastes of time. So is Geordi really. The only ones that have shown any sort of personality so far are Picard, Tasha Yar, Wesley and Data.
Ken R
2023-10-21 01:59:47 +0000 UTCInterestingly Soap Operas - where you'd think they want the intimacy - were an exception to this because they had at least three cameras (shot on video) and were often shot live to tape in a single take (and in fact earlier they actually were live). They usually had a close up on each person (dictated in part because of the lower resolution of video) and a wide shot.
Dion James Pitman
2023-10-21 01:48:58 +0000 UTCI can't be the only one who has to fight the urge to post a spoiler when one of them makes a random observation...
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-20 23:57:46 +0000 UTCI am noticing that among the engine room engineers, there is a slight over-representation of Scottish names. Likely inspired by Scotty.
James Baloun
2023-10-20 22:39:57 +0000 UTCResponding to the "no great eps yet" comment in the video: Most fans I've known will concede to at least two legit GREAT episodes in Season 2. So if you guys don't see it in Season 1, and I think there are a few candidates, I'd be surprised if you didn't start seeing some in Season 2. Like everyone else, I agree that Season 3 is when the show begins consistently knocking out good-to-great episodes, although I'd argue Seasons 4 & 5 are even better still. Season 3 elevates literally everything about the show: effects, wardrobe, music, design, acting, characterization, and overall story writing.
Lovok
2023-10-20 22:22:01 +0000 UTCWhat’s wrong with Atomic Pumpkin?
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-10-20 22:19:29 +0000 UTCI think Josh's comment about how the episodes so far have been decent, fair, even good, but nothing blows his socks off is how many of us felt when we first saw these episodes. Of course, the comparison was TOS, which blew our socks off in the first few episodes and many beyond (but certainly not all). And they are indeed all very same-level for a while. All of the 80's-90's Star Trek shows have growing pains that seem to last across the first 2 seasons until they find their own way. That is not to say there are not very good (if not excellent) episodes in the first 2 seasons - there are. But they are much fewer and far between than later seasons. Wesley improves after season 1. Basically once Gene Roddenberry had less control of the scripts, all the stories (and dialog) noticeably improve. Alex: what's up with the Atomic Pumpkin? C'mon, man.
Collin Freeman
2023-10-20 21:46:35 +0000 UTCAgreed
Collin Freeman
2023-10-20 21:40:55 +0000 UTCThe traveler is to Star Fleet as Star Fleet is to a planet that does not yet have interstellar space travel. There is a good chance the traveler knows who the Q are.
James Baloun
2023-10-20 21:36:30 +0000 UTCI am not sure of the French family custom but was Picard calling her mom or grandmother? If grandmother that explains how his mom is younger. Since the other hallucinations seemed to date back to the character at a younger age, Picard would flash back to his grandmother when he was a boy.
James Baloun
2023-10-20 21:29:55 +0000 UTCLeast of all Gene.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 20:14:37 +0000 UTCMight just be the way it was shot. They shot a lot of shows like this before wide aspect ratios were a thing on TV. Some people just seem too close like they have no regard for personal space when talking. I chalk this one up to that.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-10-20 19:56:01 +0000 UTC'Not bad but nothing that blows you away' is a good way of describing the episodes so far. For the most part, that's a lot of what the first couple of seasons are.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-10-20 19:47:51 +0000 UTCHaven't watched this reaction yet because I'm at work. I'll watch it in a few hours. I always thought of this one as the episode where Wesley gets his learner's permit to drive a starship.
KatWithAttitude
2023-10-20 19:03:31 +0000 UTCthere's behind the scenes footage of the actors filming, already standing or sitting right next to one another, being told by someone off camera to "get closer" until they're basically pressed right up on one another lol. it is odd looking
James Bottas
2023-10-20 18:33:58 +0000 UTCNobody accused Gene of being humble. LOL
Mike Rogers
2023-10-20 18:31:47 +0000 UTCBro really put HIMSELF in the show and made himself a genius lmao
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-10-20 18:28:59 +0000 UTCWesley Crusher is basically Gene Roddenberry's Mary Sue. After all, Gene's middle name is Wesley. Will Wheaton had to endure lots of grief because his character was seen as a "whiz kid" trope that a lot of older sci-fi has. But he was more Gene's insert into the world he created.
Mike Rogers
2023-10-20 18:26:41 +0000 UTCCouldn’t the camera guy just back up? /hj
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-10-20 18:25:34 +0000 UTCThis is true, when it came time for the first film, the TNG actors had to be told to spread out on the bridge because there was so much more space in the frame.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 18:25:26 +0000 UTCI'm glad they didn't even try with mine in the Q&A.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 18:24:45 +0000 UTCMarina Sirtis is hilarious and delightful at conventions..she loves to talk and she doesn’t have a filter. Much of my affection for Troi comes from how much I like Marina..
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-10-20 18:01:48 +0000 UTCThe "close talking" is a thing from tv shows of the time. Widescreen tvs weren't a thing. So if you needed two characters conversing in the shot you probably put their faces very close together so they'd both fit in the small square frame which were tvs of the 80s/90s. Also, it was a time and cost saving measure. Squeezing everyone into one shot instead of doing multiple takes and angles was just economical. Not that I was there to know any of this lol. This is just what I've gathered from looking around for an answer
James Bottas
2023-10-20 17:57:33 +0000 UTCHey. Thanks for reading my post. You were pretty close with my name. It’s lih-nuh-HAN.
Geoffrey Linehan
2023-10-20 17:46:04 +0000 UTCModern culture has made us real sensitive to that. There is a charming Twilight Zone episode called The Fugitive that if looked through a modern lens would set off alarms today.
Mike Rogers
2023-10-20 17:43:32 +0000 UTCI love how the guest starfleet guy is basically just a loud mouth hack. That was something different. Some guy literally bullshitting his way through everything. I like this one. Wesley is... Eh... I sense nothing. THAT is the biggest issue with Troi's character. She basically breaks the cardinal "show don't tell" rule. "He looks suspicious." As the actor is on screen giving his best "suspicious" face. You know? That part is weak sauce. But they did make fun of it in Galaxy Quest with Sigorney's character.
Steven Johnson
2023-10-20 17:10:37 +0000 UTCHis 1984 ERTL action figure came with it as a pack in accessory too. I always assumed Warrigul was a type of Targ. Like Kruge keeps a wolf instead of a dog.
Steven Johnson
2023-10-20 17:07:54 +0000 UTCJust go up to her and say "I sense... A presence... She's... Very.... ANNOYED....."
Steven Johnson
2023-10-20 17:06:22 +0000 UTCMade in Japan, man. Made in Japan. They know how to make stuff good.
Steven Johnson
2023-10-20 17:05:54 +0000 UTCThe streaming series are even picking up plot threads from Season 1 of TOS.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-10-20 16:51:04 +0000 UTCAndreas, it might be better just to chalk it up to cultural differences that cannot be easily changed and let it alone.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:50:58 +0000 UTCBelieve me, I know, but they know about Star Trek Picard, they've mentioned it multiple times, and by the far flung future year they get there it'll be just as much of a surprise.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:49:49 +0000 UTCCareful with the future content spoilers.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-20 16:38:41 +0000 UTCMaybe it's just me but somehow it seems every interaction between a minor and an adult is judged as creepy somehow. I seem to be missing what's creepy about it. He just talks about a warp field configuration with him. What is creepy about that?
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-20 16:36:20 +0000 UTCYou might be startled to find out that episodes even this early are beginning plot threads that are continued even as far distant as Star Trek: Picard.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:35:30 +0000 UTCBtw guys, Worf's pet was a Klingon Targ and supposed to be the same animal that Christopher Lloyd's character had as a pet in Star Trek III :D Edit: Actually nevermind that. I always thought it was supposed to be but apparently Commander Kruge's pet was something called a Warrigul. Did anybody else thing that was supposed to be a Targ?
Andreas Schmitt
2023-10-20 16:31:44 +0000 UTCWil Wheaton himself has joked about the creepiness of Wesley's relationship with the Traveler. Wesley's dad showed up at the end of the universe in earlier drafts of the script but was cut from the final version (both Picard and Dr. Crusher saw him, but apparently not Wes).
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-10-20 16:31:12 +0000 UTCJosh: "Imagine if they just disappeared and Starfleet didn't know what happened to them?" That'd make an interesting idea for a series.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:19:58 +0000 UTCRest assured, to this day Marina Sirtis is as sardonic and cynical about many of her character attributes as you guys are becoming.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:06:14 +0000 UTCThe Fearless, another Excelsior-class ship. Despite all of Scotty's misgivings, the Excelsior became the workhorse starship for Starfleet for a century.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-10-20 16:02:39 +0000 UTC
