EARLY ACCESS - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan | NEW Star Trek fans FIRST TIME REACTION
Added 2023-09-12 15:05:44 +0000 UTC
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Alex was right. There was an idea about Khan and Kirk having a sword fight. After The Empire Strikes Back, that actually makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_RB2bS7Wg
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-14 20:18:33 +0000 UTCWow, such interesting details! Especially with Shatner convincing Takei to do the movie considering how these two have been at each other for decades
TalynStarburst
2023-09-14 17:07:30 +0000 UTCAs a fan from the days of the first broadcasts in 1966, The Motion Picture was like a drink of water after years in the desert. But, this movie was the one that really let us know that Trek was back!
Blane Mather
2023-09-14 01:14:11 +0000 UTCWrath of Khan is a bitter-sweet emotional rollercoaster. Its its messy. Its darker that TMP, and is about PEOPLE, not a sci-fi threat. But if you noticed, Alex and Josh, pay attention to the music. Much more if a “high seas adventure” by James Horner, so even though WOK is darker and edgier, its fun and there is a return to the characters like they were in the series.
Chris S.
2023-09-13 23:11:09 +0000 UTCI call THAT scene "Attack of the Killer Earwig".
KatWithAttitude
2023-09-13 02:37:23 +0000 UTCHe reused a lot of this in Aliens.
whacky deli
2023-09-13 02:34:18 +0000 UTCAlex is actually pretty close to the truth about Leonard Nimoy coming back. What hooked him into signing on was Harve Bennett telling him they were going to write a death scene for Spock. In an earlier version of the script, Spock's death was supposed to occur about 1/3 of the way into the film (shock value), then Kirk would race to get to the Enterprise, take on Khan, etc. Actually, the 1 real hold-out from the original cast who was not going to come back was George Takai. Ironically, it was William Shatner who called Takai and convinced him to sign on even though the Sulu character had little to do.
Collin Freeman
2023-09-13 02:28:19 +0000 UTCRegarding your #4, if the ceti eels render the victims susceptible to suggestion, Kirk or anyone could have said to Terrell and Chekov "put down the phasers" and they would've complied because they should have been under anyone's suggestion, not just Khan's.
Collin Freeman
2023-09-13 02:14:10 +0000 UTCIn an effort to save money, the music for the movie was created by an unknown composer named James Horner who went on to gain fame as the composer for Aliens, Apollo 13, Braveheart, and what became the biggest movie ever -- Titanic. They joked that they couldn't afford to hire him as a composer for many later movies. Sadly, pilot Horner died in a single-fatality airplane accident in 2015 at age 61.
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-13 01:04:07 +0000 UTCThe novel for Star Trek II states that Chekov had the night watch on the Enterprise when Khan was on board and that was the reason he recognized him. (Walter Koenig said that he wasn't going to correct them and get rid of his larger part in the script.) Sulu was supposed to be promoted to captain and get a mention of receiving his own ship in this movie, but apparently Shatner had the scene killed, and George Takei never forgave him. I have seen the scene online, but now I only find the audio to the Sulu promotion mention scene. It was only about a 10-second scene anyway.
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-13 00:56:11 +0000 UTCI think William Shatner wanted there to be either a fight scene with Khan or at least to be in the same room as Ricardo Montalbán for at least one scene as he says that Khan was his favorite villain. I thought it was neat that they went in a different direction; it at least felt like they were in the same room. Besides the ending climax for this movie is what happens to Spock -- which you sometimes almost forget as the Khan story line is so very dominant. Shatner mentions that he remembered seeing Ricardo Montalbán about 20 years before Space Seed, I guess in the late 1940s, when Montalbán was a magnificent Broadway dancer. However, apparently Montalbán was born with a spinal problem. After a 1951 horse accident and his medical condition, he had to give up dancing, so he turned to acting. Shatner says that Montalbán's weak lower-body is the reason why Montalbán developed such good upper-body strength. Sadly, I guess he was partially-paralyzed below the waist after a 1993 operation to relieve terrible pain. During the 1980s, Shatner was busy starring in the very physical Shatnerisc TV show T. J. Hooker, but perhaps Montalbán just would not have been able to perform a fight scene anyway due to his medical condition and advanced age. Khan!!!!!
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-13 00:41:29 +0000 UTCI think they didn't do a face to face confrontation with Kirk and Khan because it would have been too much of a retread of Space Seed. We already saw them get into a fist fight so we know Kirk will best him in that situation. It diminishes the tension. Personally, I enjoyed that they leaned into the kind of faux-submarine battle aesthetic of the movie. It reminds me a lot of Balance of Terror; two equally matched opponents in a chess game of intellect and bravado.
kevin coleman
2023-09-12 22:27:18 +0000 UTCSome of the way Saavik's portrayed is due to a change in her backstory. Star Trek II was filmed as Saavik being half romulan. It's mentioned in a deleted scene where Spock describes her as "more volatile" to Kirk. From Star Trek III on Saavik is treated as fully Vulcan. That's why she acts more emotional and even cries in Star Trek II, but is more more cold/logical in her other appearances.
Bret Kay
2023-09-12 20:29:15 +0000 UTCRicardo was making Fantasy Island at the same time and only had one week to work on the movie is what they said was the reason for him being alone.
John Page
2023-09-12 20:16:53 +0000 UTCRobin Curtis was just too bland to me.
Deborah Osika
2023-09-12 19:39:23 +0000 UTCI agree. I loved Kirstie as Saavik. I felt she brought more layers and depth to the character than Robin Curtis. Curtis played a fine Vulcan, but she didn't feel like Saavik to me.
David Crabtree
2023-09-12 19:33:51 +0000 UTCI think someone said in an interview that she asked for more than DeForest Kelley for ST3. It’s a real shame. I loved her as Saavik. So much better than Robin Curtis.
whacky deli
2023-09-12 18:36:28 +0000 UTCHey Alex & Josh, I was watching this reaction again and noticed that there are more LOL moments in this reaction than any of the other Trek you guys have done including TOS. I think that when you do Star Trek IV The Voyage Home there just may be even more LOL moments! 😀🖖
Duane Chancey
2023-09-12 18:34:33 +0000 UTCI didn't make the connection for years, until I saw it in a magazine.
tyranusfan
2023-09-12 17:46:53 +0000 UTCKirstie Alley only appears in ST Wrath of Khan and is not in Star Trek III movie as Saavik. Leonard Nimoy had said that there were excessive salary demands for her appearance in Star Trek III: Search for Spock. Other versions say the studio offered her less money for this film.
Deborah Osika
2023-09-12 17:37:05 +0000 UTCWe did. Bro is always so good at blending in 😭
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-09-12 17:21:48 +0000 UTCI think you guys overlooked who was serving as a communications officer onboard the USS Reliant.
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-12 17:16:36 +0000 UTCThere are thousands of bits of trivia about all the movies. Here is some of what I remember by just looking at it now: 1. I was always told years ago that Saavik was a half-Romulan, half-Vulcan, but apparently that was just a 1981 idea from an an outside writer. 2. Madlyn Rhue who played in Marla McGivers in Space Seed was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1977 at about age 42, so her character was written out of the movie. I did see the actress in a couple of episodes of the game show Match Game which apparently aired between 1975-1976; I guess she was able to get back to acting with her last acting credit being a 1996 episode of Murder She Wrote before she passed away in 2003 at age 68; she was once married to Tony Young who played Kryton in the season three episode Elaan of Troyius. 3. The young Peter Preston male cadet who dies was or was supposed to have been Scotty's nephew, but I think you have to watch the director's cut to figure that out. 4. The phasers don't look great, and why couldn't Terrell have set his for stun? I just realized that. He was too zombie-like, I guess. 5. Only one member of Khan's crew spoke; that doesn't seem right. 6. After this movie I guess the Enterprise symbol was essentially adopted by all of Star Fleet, so Paramount would not have to create metal badges for every ship crew and base; that was kind of dumb. 7. The uniforms now designate department division by collar color -- white, command; yellow, operations; light green, medical; gray-purple, sciences; darker green, security; red, cadets/trainees; sky blue, special services; black, non-commissioned officers; and purple, unknown.
Chtphr Rrr
2023-09-12 16:43:07 +0000 UTCSweet, thanks!
JD Nevesytrof
2023-09-12 16:20:48 +0000 UTCEp7 UNCUT should be up tomorrow
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-09-12 16:17:21 +0000 UTCWhen can we expect some new QL?
JD Nevesytrof
2023-09-12 15:21:32 +0000 UTCFuck yeah!
Stuart Arbury
2023-09-12 15:07:28 +0000 UTC
