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FIRST TIME WATCHING The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)

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FIRST TIME WATCHING The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)

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love galadriel def my fave

chase

I just got around to watching and I’ve been yelling this at them for the past 10 minutes and had to stop to check the comments and make sure someone corrected them 😆

Simon Williams

YAY! This just made me all kinds of happy to see and hear you two beaming with happiness for returning to Middle-earth! That’s exactly how I feel every time I return to Middle-earth. And the music really does get you every dang time. I just freakin' love Middle-earth and I love when people love Middle-earth, too! > Just a note, the Hobbit films don't have to be your last reaction film into Middle-earth! One, you can watch the film Tolkien (2019), which is a feature film about Tolkien’s life and things that inspired him to create his world, and I do recommend that. Two, there's a new film coming. A lot of the crew from Peter Jackson’s films are creating a new Middle-earth film, War of the Rohirrim, a self-contained story about Rohan. I think they even have the rights to use Howard Shore’s iconic Rohan music! Honestly, so far, it seems very exciting and like they may do it justice. If this goes well, they may make more self-contained films like this. There’s still a lot of story to tell from Tolkien’s legendarium. War of the Rohirrim is set to release in 2024. Three, there's also always still watching the Appendices (which are the extensive behind the scenes) from the LOTR Extended Edition box sets, which take you on their own proper journey that in many ways feel parallel to the LOTR films. > You nailed it: Martin Freeman is absolutely perfect casting for Bilbo! I will always want more scenes with Martin Freeman as Bilbo. He’s just so dang good at acting with mannerisms, showing internal thoughts with his expressions and getting into character. I think regardless of where different fans stand with these films, it’s pretty much universally agreed that Martin Freeman was the absolute perfect casting choice for Bilbo. We all fell in love with him as Bilbo. > Loved your comment about the dwarves giving you vikings vibes! They do have that viking feel sometimes. Tolkien was in love with Norse mythology and a lot of the world-building in Middle-earth (Middle-earth is basically what Midgard means) is inspired by Norse mythology. The Rohan people are often regarded as more like Anglo-Saxon and viking culture. There’s a lot of Norse mythology & old English gems to discover in the Rohan people. Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-Saxon, so this was his specialty. But the way Tolkien embedded Angelo-Saxon and viking culture into the story isn’t confined to the Rohan people, so I’m sure what you’re picking up on with the dwarves has something to it. Mostly, I’ve heard how fans used to think Tolkien modeled dwarves after Jews and Tolkien didn’t necessarily base them off of anyone but it seems he sorta agreed at some points such as them wanting to get home back and being without their land and home for so long. But this gets into a very complicated topic with Tolkien potentially reinforcing anti-semitic stereotyping. Tolkien began to update things when writing dwarves in LOTR and I think? maybe to try to steer clear of any negative stereotypes that people could imply (correct me if I'm wrong, fans); it’s debated whether he accomplished that or not. But there are similarities between the dwarves and Norse mythology & culture. > What you were feeling with the ring in the Hobbit not really being that serious is true. When Tolkien first wrote The Hobbit, you’re right that it was mostly just a fun magical ring. But when writing the sequel to the Hobbit, LOTR, Tolkien began creating this more mature story around the ring, so after Tolkien wrote LOTR, he realized he needed to go back to rewrite certain parts of the Hobbit so it would more seamlessly flow into LOTR. So he did write an updated version of the Hobbit and got his revision published to match LOTR more. I’m unsure which version of the Hobbit you read, but it was probably the updated version. Even still, the Hobbit maintains its more lighthearted nature. > While the Hobbit book itself doesn’t cover those parts with Gandalf, Galadriel, and Saruman meeting, it does come from Tolkien’s overall works. I think Peter Jackson specifically took from the appendices to include this part of the story that isn’t in the Hobbit but it is in Tolkien’s legendarium. I know many fans didn’t want content that wasn’t directly from the Hobbit book, but I absolutely love adding more content from other Tolkien works and that storyline with Gandalf becoming aware of a growing darkness is actually one of my favorite parts of all three Hobbit films! Often times I will put on these films to just rewatch those parts ha! Hearing Trin react to seeing Galadriel being there was golden! That’s exactly how I felt when I saw Galadriel in this series! > Really great eye about noticing Gandalf’s eye line was a bit off. It’s actually sad what happened. Because of how they shot this film, they had to separate Ian Mckellen from the entire cast and he had to do almost all his work completely alone with green screen (similar to what John Rhys-Davis had to do when shooting a lot of scenes for LOTR) whenever doing scenes with the dwarves and Bilbo. This was hard on Ian and he went through a depression bc of it. He even commented on struggling with the eye line bc he is used to working with actors present and needs the company and presence of other people with him. The crew tried to cheer him up and support him, even throwing him a Gandalf Appreciation Day party, but overall it was super hard on Ian and he really struggled with it. Makes me so sad, I wish he didn’t have to be alone for a lot of those scenes. Ian deserves all the awards and praise; he gave so much to give us Gandalf. > Sure the Hobbit films are not at the level of the LOTR films and idk if anything can be, but there’s still much good in them, and they are worth watching. I appreciate that you understand the difference of tone and that it’s ok for the Hobbit to be more comedic given it’s a kid’s story ultimately, so the tone will be different. That was always gonna be the struggle with creating Hobbit films after LOTR films...how to balance these two stories that do connect yet have very different tones. I cannot wait for your reactions for the next two films!!

Chrissy

AHHH I cannot wait to watch this reaction!! More Middle-earth, let's go!

Chrissy

For me, I don’t care about the Tolkien lore at all, they can take whatever creative license they want to - in my opinion it was just a good old fashioned bad show, hack writing, bad acting, visually gross, just a cluncker creatively and production wise

Ben

True on the rights, but the so-called writers still had access to a ton of Tolkien lore. Yet they purposefully tossed every last bit aside and made up crap that they called a story. They famously said, several times, that they were "writing the story Tolkien didn't" (here's a clue: Tolkien DID write the story) AND that they were "improving" Tolkien. Artistic license does not mean taking one author's story and utterly desecrating it, especially when that author is JRR Tolkien who devoted decades of his life to Middle-earth.

Sharon Lathan

Here's the issue: Even those very, very, microscopic few who speak positively of RoP ALWAYS do so with a caveat along the lines of "its okay, has problems, wasn't too bad, somewhat enjoyed, its passable" and so on. IF those who semi-like the show cannot remark upon it without words like this, why in the WORLD would any of us who patron Ron and Trin want them to waste their valuable (and limited) reaction time on what is, again, by EVERY MEASURE AND ADMISSION, a bad show? I simply do not comprehend the urging when there are TONS of awesome TV shows and movies for them to enjoy along with us. Actual GOOD shows! And finally, for anyone who says RoP is Tolkien, or "back in the world again" is bonkers and hasn't paid attention to the world of Tolkien as depicted in the movies or certainly on the written pages of Tolkien's novels.

Sharon Lathan

I say watch it. You seem to have given yourself the freedom to watch and make up your own mind. You should leave the reactors the same freedom. I had my problems with it, but I was able to look past them and still came out with an enjoyment for the first season. I recommend anyone else check it out for themselves instead of assuming that my experience of it will be theirs.

Keith Duperreault

And Rings of Power is an okay watch. The criticism is mostly cos alot of fans got upset as they had to change some lore around a bit as they only had the rights to the hobbit, lord of the rings books and appendices, not books like the silmarillion which covers a lot of lore etc. so artistic liscence I guess?

Kaylee Smeaton

According to lore Goblins are classed as Orc-kind.

Kaylee Smeaton

Julia, 100%! That's what I do too. I can love them both in their own ways.

Rebeccaf87

The way I deal with the movies and that series, is appreciate them for what they are and treat them as separate from the books. Makes me enjoy the movies more. lol

Julia Ashley

Also the distinction between orcs and goblins is just size and intelligence. Honestly it's not that hard!! The characters say they are Goblins! Several times

George Baxter

I would say this first film is the best of the Hobbit trilogy. When its small and intimate the story thrives, when they try to be 'epic blockbuster' the film feels over-inflated. I love the music the world building, the comedy, the small problems. CGI orc battles are less compelling.

George Baxter

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 🎂🎂

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Rebeccaf87

If it were a cash grab they wouldn't have spent over half a billion dollars on its production. They would have spent 100 million and hoped it drew interest on its name alone. They didn't have rights to the source material so digging them for that is kind of silly. Besides if amazon didn't make the series Netflix or HBO would have. And the Tolkien estate chose Amazon over the other two because their ideas were even worse. Perspective is good.

Andrew Ramos

When the LOTRs came out the die hards were so pissed that Arwen essentially replaced Glorfindel. Now no one cares. The cry against TROP is overblown. The writing isn't the best but the world building is pretty interesting and it has some great moments.

Andrew Ramos

Yes!!! Thank you!!!! I have been waiting for this!!!!!’🥳🥳🥳 my bday weekend!!!!! Please do all!!! 😂😂

Nora

Rings of Power, is it anywhere near as good as the Peter Jackson Movies, not even close. Does it feel amazing to be back in that world again, for a little bit longer, yes. Would Rob and Trin enjoy it, absolutely. Watch it i say. It's worse not to than to, and all the people saying not to, watched it, they have no right to try and deny you.

PhoenixReturns

Sometimes I just play LotR music in the background when I'm doing things around the house or working on my laptop.

Rebeccaf87

Both probably. The nastalgia of it being the first one I saw in the theater. Remembering the crowd getting up and cheering multiple times (I think it was opening weekend). But also it's a mix of all of it. The fun Shire settings, the danger, the magicalness, etc etc.

Rebeccaf87

I love that you always reference the music the in these movies. The score makes me tear up too. Especially the shire and rohan themes. I love that we get to hear a mix of familiar and some new themes in these. Can't wait for The Desolation of Smaug.

Bradley Weeks

I love all 3 LOTR's , but I have always felt there was something special about fellowship. I'm not sure if it because it was my introduction to this world or it's because everyone is together. I have probably watched that one the most.

Bradley Weeks

Forgot to also add that I love that Trins watched LotR since the reactions and that she wanted the first more than once. That's my favorite of the movies. :)

Rebeccaf87

Yeah we checked the run time with other ones to be 100% xD

Take a Ticket

Wow that was quick haha, ah good, I'm less familiar with them but phew glad nothing was missed 👍

Michael Harrop

Yes its the extended edition :)

Take a Ticket

Is this the extended edition? Thought it was longer, but maybe I'm thinking of the second. If not please make sure you get the extended version for the next one there's huge chunks that were removed from theatrical

Michael Harrop

even the lotr trilogy changed a lot. It isnt a big deal

shenzi22

It was wonderful to watch this movie with you two. It has been a while. Nothing will ever compare to the LOTR trilogy movies, but The Hobbit trilogy is solid for the most part. Certainly worth watching. As for Rings of Power, PLEASE I beg you by all that is good and holy, DO NOT WATCH THAT SERIES! It is an absolute abomination in every conceivable way. It takes all that is Tolkien (all his themes, his characters, his entire story) and subverts it into pure garbage. The "story" is 100% not Tolkien, and that is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. Even as a story itself — if one could pretend they weren't blaspheming by calling it "Lord of the Rings" — it is badly written, has laughable dialogue, terrible acting, and only passable music and cinematography. Don't believe me? The viewership fell to less than 35% of those who watched the first episode (which was proven by data to be nowhere near the high claims by Amazon), and both the critic and viewer scores are dismal (even with Amazon censoring, which they admitted doing in an attempt to keep the numbers higher).

Sharon Lathan

But that is almost exactly the issue with it. Amazon buys a small part of the rights for the Silmarillion simply to add "The lord of the Rings" to the title. Gets people hyped and they know it will sell. Then they proceed to defecate on Tolkien's life's work by changing the original lore. There was literally no point to them buying these rights if they aren't gonna stay true to simple guidelines. Its not like they are writing a new story like you say. They are taking a story that exists but changing it to suit their needs.

Max

just because its a new story doesnt mean its bad.

shenzi22

Thats fair enough. The hobbit has very many flaws, however the hobbit does much much more right than the rings of power. At least it follows a guideline that Tolkien laid out. The entire story of ROP is either made up by the amazon writers or loosely follow the appendices of the Silmarillion. Completely contradicting events that Tolkien set up.

Max

I mean it's the same with the hobbit trilogy. They're both mediocre. Yet here we are watching the hobbit trilogy.

shenzi22

Nah it has nothing to do with politics to most people that actually care. Its just why should you watch a show that people describe as "not bad". Doesn't speak much for the show.

Max

Loved your reaction guys, wish I could fast forward my week til the next one!

Cele B

The amazon series is not bad. its just not as great. People over react on the amazon series because of politics.

shenzi22

I think you made a comment Rob at the end which kinda sums up the experience lots of people have with the triology as a whole, about the use of CG, some noticeable moments when the line of sight is a bit off when they're trying to show the different sizes, but on the whole, it was still not terrible and they still worked hard on it. This for me actually highlights the work done on LOTR a lot more, because it's important to remember Jackson began working on it in 1999 and it was a continious project to make all three movies. The sheer amount of props, set making and design that went into it was insane (and you absolutely need to watch the making of because that is a whole other movie unto itself and makes you fall in love with the actors and crew all over again!!). Unfortunetely The Hobbit didn't have the luxury of the time and planning that went into it, because the LOTR triology was Jackson's baby, his child that he nurtured from birth. He was brought in The Hobbit right in the middle of it when Guillermo del Toro quit as director. All in all, I think that while the consensus is it won't ever be as amazing as LOTR, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. The worst thing for people to do is to project their hate for the movies and feel everyone else should hate it just because they do. Everyone should try it for themselves and, even while acknowledging its flaws like all movies and shows, try to be open minded and enjoy what it has to offer. I speak as someone who really didn't like this trilogy for a long time, but after watching reactions of movies I otherwise never wanted to watch again (especially in the MCU), seeing it through the fresh eyes of reactors can offer a different perspective, I think that's one of the good reasons of watching reactions in general, thinking and feeling things I or others hadn't thought to think and feel themselves while watching something. I definitely appreciated some movies I didn't like before even more now after you guys pointed out things I should have appreciated more in the making of them. But anyway, hope you enjoy the remaining two!

Max

Finished watching so here's part 2: - Trin's exitement about Galadriel was so heartwarming! Galadriel is so stunning, powerful and just an amazing character <3 - in regards to Arwen and Aragorn: Arwen is in Lothlórien at this point in time. (She's Galadriel's granddaughter after all and visiting) Aragorn is (in the movies only!!!!) a very young ranger rn. He grew up in Rivendell but is currently in the north doing some Strider-ing- In the books he is still a child living in Rivendell as a ward of Elrond - Sir Christopher Lee died in 2015, which was a few months after the release of the third movie - I am absolutly cracking up each time Rob tells Thorin to "chill out" lmao On a rewatch I'm going to count the number of times cause it happens A LOT - "Gollum is so cute!" Yes. Trin, do not let Rob tell you any different. Gollum is so adorable. - The hug of Thorin and Bilbo? Thorin FINALLY accepting Bilbo? Makes me cry every time and I was very happy to see it had the same effect on you - The immediate reaction to Bilbo saying "I believe the worst part is behind us" being "PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHUT UP" had me wheezing. - Refering to the Riddles in the Dark as "The Rap Battle with Gollum" 10/10 nailed the content lmao Real good reaction, loved every second of it. Very excited for the next one <3

Michelle Schaefer

I see a lot of comments about the Rings of power show. One of the reasons why it is so hated is because Tolkien spent his life fleshing out this universe with immense lore and detail. If Amazon would have taken all the lore and detail and made a story around that this show could have been a masterpiece. However that isn't how it went. Amazon knew making a LOTR show would be a HUGE head turner as it is a franchise loved by so many. They didn't however get all of the rights to the Silmarillion. In fact the entire show is technically only an adaption of the Appendices of the Silmarillion meaning they are unable to use source material that isn't mentioned in these Appendices. This results in SO much of the show being adapted/invented by Amazon to meet their needs for current and future seasons. Their mindset with this show was basically "Its Lord of the Rings but forget any lore from the source material and you will enjoy it". It was just such a shame when it was announced that we would be getting more LOTR content, actors were hyping up the movie by saying they stayed true to the source material and then we got this. A show that couldn't even stay true to the most basic of lore. At the end of the day the show was made for entertainment purposes and everyone has a right to their own opinion. I can see many people liked the show but from the perspectives of MOST LOTR fans the show was a simple cash grab because they knew LOTR would sell. However this is done at the expense of Tolkien's lifetime of work.

Max

👆🏼

William

DITTO. All of this. 👆🏼

William

Please don't listen to the naysayers about the Amazon series. It's fantastic. I actually enjoyed it more than the House of Dragon series, and I loved that, too. My son was actually surprised, and delighted to hear it (he's a big fan of LOTRs lore), because I am a huge fan of GoT, and ASOIAF. The scene with Bilbo in the cave with Gollum was the most memorable part of the book, along with the scene with the Trolls. I was excited to see it play out here, in this movie, and I wasn't disappointed. I love this series, and I'm glad you're finally watching it. Can't wait for the rest.

angie808

To be fair, the Amazon series is at least entertaining. The problem comes to Amazon only owning a limited portion of the rights of The Silmarillion, and then condensing what they have licensed so densely. If you're a diehard Tolkien fan who has read every piece of Tolkien lore, it'll probably be very hard to enjoy. It's also different to Jackson's interpretation which many of us are used to so the experience is an adjustment. It has its flaws, I wouldn't say it's a timeless masterpiece like LOTR, but it's not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. It's just up to the individual to decide if it's their cup of tea, after all, LOTR isn't really accurate to the books but it is still greatly loved.

Max

I'll comment this now because it's gonna be rather long if I don't break it into pieces: - seeing Rob's face light up with a non-stop smile for the entire Shire portion is just so freaking adorable, it made me grin too just cause his joy takes me back to watching these movies for the first time and feeling exactly the same - Thorin being nicknamed Handsome McHandsome is legit lol - loving the appreciation for Martin Freeman as he was absolutly 100% the perfect casting choice for young Bilbo imo - as a fellow colorblind person I can understand where Rob is coming from with the intensity of the colours. This movie does it so, so well to have this fantastical colorful element. The colours properly pop and are very pleasing to a colorblind eye - some insight into the dwarves (not spoilers I think just background information, but if anyone thinks it's spoiling stuff I will remove immediatly): Glóin (stout, ginger with a very long beard) is Gimli's dad; Balin (the one whose face you guys love) is the dwarf that had settled in Moria in the first LotR whose tomb the Fellowship find; Fíli and Kíli (the young cute ones) are Thorin's nephews through his sister Dís - the Thorin in this movie is the Thorin that founded Thorin's Halls in the Blue Mountains, that is correct - after Balin tells the story of how Thorin became Thorin Oakenshield and everyone looks at Thorin in awe Rob asked if they didn't know the story. This is speculation on my part: Not many survived the battle so hearing the tale from Balin directly is very likely something most haven't heard yet. They probably heard that Thorin fought Azog, but they did not hear it with the same awe and love for Thorin that Balin held. - Rob crying over the Battle of Azanulbizar (in front of Moria) had me tearing up too. That's a whole goddamn mood - regarding the statement "I feel like they used green screen more" YES they did. Very much so, which was a real shame. Sir Ian McKellen felt so too. He once freaked out telling the producers that just doing greenscreen work and not interacting with his scene partners was not why he had gotten into acting. - The mention of the Blue Wizards (and not mentioning their names) actually has some funny trivia as well as the filmmakers did not have the rights to the stories of the Blue Wizards but could mention their existence so they just made Gandalf "forget" their names - regarding the statement "I don't remember Sauron being in the book": He wasn't. Not directly at least. Tolkien wrote The Hobbit before writing Lord of the Rings, so a big part of the world wasn't as fleshed out yet. After "finishing" the world though (almost) everything that is happening in the movies regarding Sauron is what happened in the books as well, it was just never written down, since the book is entirely from Bilbo's perspective and doesn't tell of the things Sauron was up to during the time frame - Gundabad is a place in the very north, an Orc-stronghold. Not a kind of Orc or Warg or anything, just a place of origin :) Hope this helps clear that up

Michelle Schaefer

So happy to see this trilogy. While not the LOTR, it is so good and a fitting prequel. I can rewatch these movies (Hobbit and LOTR) over and over again and I still weep and laugh and find the joy and love in these characters. It’s like visiting old friends. ❤️ loving your reactions Rob and Trin. 😎

kimburley

The Hobbit was written for Tolkein's children. If you read/watch it as a children's story, it's palatable. If you expect it to live up to the depth and quality of LOTR, you'll be disappointed. It is one short book expanded into 3 feature length movies because money. Beyond these observations, little more need be said about it. The problem with the Amazon series has nothing to do with "wokeness" but rather with its premise. Adding to a masterpiece of English literature or, worse, presuming that you can REwrite it and in so doing, improve it, is folly. You may entertain the unwashed masses, and indeed that may be your goal. But when one includes your feeble scratchings in the corpus of the original works, they will always be found wanting.

Craig Rairdin

That scene where Bilbo has his sword to Gollum before escaping really takes us back to Gandalf and Frodo’s conversation in Moria. Frodo: 'It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.' Gandalf: 'Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment.’ Can hear the words as they stand there in the dead silence.

Max

I am not a big fan of Tolkien and his books, although I had almost all of his audiobooks and was listening to them on the way to work, so my opinion about Amazon Prime's show is not biased, and the only problem with that show I had was the length of episodes. They are 1 hr long without credits and intros, extremely long for tv-show. And it is not a good sign that I felt tired at the end of each episode, so after 4, I stopped watching. But it is worth trying I guess.

Dude

It’s quite sad seeing Frodo as his old cheery self in this film knowing that he becomes borderline broken in Return Of The King. Bilbo is a very good main character too although this film feels a bit more centred around Thorin than Bilbo.

Luke Fitton

100% goblins not orcs down underground in goblin town

Jay13

I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS REACTION! LET'S GOOO ❤️ Also loving all the positivity in the comments ❤️ I personally LOVE the trilogy, even if it has some flaws. It's so fun!

Michelle Schaefer

The hobbit is such a good series

Josh

I did as well, I couldn't understand the hate for it, it was a great fantasy show, which are hard to come by.

Amanda Logsdon

Yay! Been waiting for this for so long! Shame I don't have time to watch it today 😭

Ramona

I cant say this was unexpected. And common, hate me, I like Hobbit more 😊

Dude

Yay! Just started watching. Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually did enjoy the Amazon show. I just took it as a chance to be back in Middle Earth even if it wasn't what others were expecting. I'd say watch an episode and give it a chance for yourselves. :) Just my 2 cents though.

Rebeccaf87


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