Ali Ramble: art and asmr chat! :)
Added 2024-01-09 10:23:02 +0000 UTCIt's been a while since I've done a ramble! Working over the holidays made it a little difficult to just take some time to sit and chat like this- I forgot how much I enjoyed doing it :P I thought it would be fun to talk about when we change our opinions on things and how that's OK! I only used AI art and ASMR as an example since they are topics relative to me, but whatever it is I think it's always good to keep your mind open when learning about something.
Feel free to just listen to me as background sound or post your own thoughts :) As an artist myself I'll always choose human made art over anything else, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy looking at AI art...especially of a certain genre if you catch my drift xD
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Excuse me, I bet to differ on you being an artist- I just saw your stick figure art and loved it! Always been a fan of stick figures, say what you will but I love them! I think you bring up some good points about AI. I see it having a lot of potential with things depending on how it's used. This isn't for art per se, but in general I think it can be used to make some tasks easier, or at very least give us some help in a way. I've been seeing some things of AI being used for anime subtitles for example. Not entirely sure how I feel about AI doing it 100% it since there are some cultural things to consider when translating, but at the same time I've seen some really funny/inaccurate translations by real people when it comes to anime anyway haha! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic, it's really interesting to hear everyone's opinions on it! ^_^
alichu
2024-01-13 10:58:01 +0000 UTCI like the way you look at it, I definitely agree that's its inevitable for us to compare ourselves to others, and I also would agree that comparing yourself to other is just a tool and tools can be used well or bad, you need to be careful how you go about comparing, like if you're watching a race between Usain Bolt and a 10 year old, it's not really fair to compare them, I mean the ten year old may end up beating the world record some day, who knows. For me it's always helped to remember the quote of "Don't compare yourself to others, compare yourself to who you were yesterday. The internet has made it very easy to compare yourself to other who are at their peak toady, but it usually doesn't include all they went through to get there or the fact that they still compare themselves to others and probably think "I'll never get there". I think it's also helpful to look at yourself from an outsiders perspective as well, because someone out there has probably looked at something you've done and thought "Wow' I wish I was that good". I think it's probably healthy to take both perspectives on yourself, could you be doing better? Sure, but also you should be proud of how far you've come, even if you've just started, well you haven't quit and that's more than most people do.
Sir Skelington
2024-01-11 02:54:35 +0000 UTCNow I'm no artist, last time I drew anything was probably 5 or 6 years ago, and I could never properly commit, so I can't speak much about AI art, but I can speak about AI from a CompSci point, since I think almost every exam I've had to do has had at least one "Ethics of AI" question on it đ. Being that, I am very much aware of the impact of AI and it's benefits, which in many fields tends to be a positive, however that's why the ethical issues exist, AI is good when it is designed specifically for something, and is being fed data, and people fear that it'll take their jobs (one of the biggest ethical issues). But I think that's the wrong way to think about it. Don't get me wrong the threat isn't not real, but I think if you entrusted the entirety of someone's job to an AI you're making a bad decision, as I think AI would serve a better purpose as an advisory position, rather than a decision maker. It can do all the calculations and analysis mumbo jumbo, but the final decision should always be with the human. Comparing this to AI art, the biggest issue, morally speaking is probably the fact that AI has to use data from past artwork in order to create its own. I think the mindset people have of 'Why should I do art if an AI could do it better' is a flawed mentality, as AI inherently lacks the human element of art. It can make art, but there is no creativity or imagination behind it, at a base level, it is finding keywords and aligning coloured pixels in similar order to images with the same keywords, with some extra steps to make sure the created image doesn't look too horrific. I don't think any of this means we should limit or delay AI developments, but as I did mention, we shouldn't let them do jobs for us. TLDR I ramble out my arse, AI good for advising not for doing job. As for YouTube, well YouTube is YouTube. And as for growing up and changing views, I definitely hard agree on what you said. As humans we're constantly learning, and adapting our views based on what we know is something I agree with, but I'll admit I am cautious in changing my opinions, at least until I know for sure the information is at least factual or based in some form of sanity đ. Have a good one Ali, hopefully you don't mind my arse talking.
ProzXADYN
2024-01-11 02:29:54 +0000 UTCThatâs extremely kind of you to say Antoni! Iâm flattered you like my art enough to analyze it for your own work, that really means a lot. Whatever tablet you end up getting, Iâm real excited to see what you do with it!
Secular Succotash
2024-01-10 23:15:41 +0000 UTCAgreed alichu. Natural born people pleaser that I am, it was a lesson that took me years to learn and even still I sometimes get the occasional little thought of just doing whatever someone wants just to avoid them thinking poorly of me. But yeah, best thing you can do for your mental health is not give a fuck what people think, just be your honest self. Assholes will always be there wanting to rain on your parade anyway so why bother with trying to please people? Just focus on being the best you for yourself, screw everyone else. As funny as it sounds, I think Markiplier summed it up perfectly, âYou do you, Iâll do me, and we wonât do each other. Probably.â
Secular Succotash
2024-01-10 23:04:12 +0000 UTCThis can't be. Someone actually surpassed me in word count? Nah, but seriously everything you said was brilliant. I didn't even think of the issue that artists may compare themselves to AI art. As Ali said; real artists will always outpace AI in originality and creativity. The only - and only reason AI art can make beautiful things is because we humans gave them the ability to. No matter how nice an AI generated piece of art is, it's all because of humans that it exists in the first place. AI follows instructions, nothing more. The art in anything always roots back to the real artist. I can relate to comparing myself to other artists. OCCASIONALLY, I still let it get to me negatively. But like you said; that's natural. The good thing is I use this to analyse techniques from other artists that I may adopt to experiment with and potentially improve my own style. I actually do this all the time with your, Ali's and Kai's art on Twitter. As for the tablet. I remember looking at the Cintiq many times before. It looks really nice and I'm seriously tempted to get the 16. But I'm also reading about a smaller simpler one, the Wacom One. The good thing about Clip Studio is that it's a one-time purchase - unlike Photoshop.
Artilleries
2024-01-10 11:58:49 +0000 UTCI'm very thankful that my patrons take time out of their day to have interesting conversations if they choose to. It definitely makes things a lot more interesting and enjoyable! ^_^ As for my pixiv art, I've always been open about my history drawing nsfw content. While I don't do it as commission work anymore, I do still find it fun to draw. I keep my audios and that art separate, but my art is out there for those that are interested in it! :)
alichu
2024-01-10 10:33:25 +0000 UTCYou don't need to give a warning Succotash- don't forget I like to read! :P Even more so, I always appreciate when you all take time out of your day to comment and interact. It makes me happy that you can share your thoughts and opinions! :) I do find it strange that people commission AI art, that view hasn't changed from when I originally talked about it. I mean, there's not really any labor involved as far as I'm aware. Then again, I'm not entirely sure how the whole process works but still- if there is a price, my first thought would be very cheap. I sometimes see people trying to sell AI commissions on DA and they never seem to get any attention. This could just be my take on it, but I think when people commission art they not only want the art itself but it's the experience of it. You commission someone because you like their work and want something unique that's made only for you. 100% companies don't care about this when commissioning, but for everyday people wanting a commission of their OC; I'd like to think they are more likely to choose a real person. It makes the piece more personal and special, which is something I don't think AI will ever be able to do. I like your take on comparison a lot. I very much feel that way but could never put it into a good structured way like you did haha! I agree it's inevitable that we're going to compare ourselves, I think that's just how our brains work even if we don't want them to. It's how we compare ourselves that matter. I think it's a much healthier way to grow instead of letting jealousy or low self-esteem take over for sure. I'm at a point where I don't really care too much about how others see me haha! And I don't mean that in a doomer way but in a "I have better stuff to think about" way lol. I can do the best thing ever and someone will still hate me so screw it, Ima do what I want and change my mind when I want :P I wish that for everyone because some people and what they say just don't deserve your time or attention. You're better off doing you and staying focused on your goals. My reply was long too but if you got to the end have a good night, Succotash and anyone else that may be reading! ^_^
alichu
2024-01-10 10:24:07 +0000 UTCI completely understand your view Skelly, thanks for sharing! :) It is unfortunate that I'm sure companies have and will continue to find ways to use AI art instead of real artists. This is completely my view on this, but at some point I think most people are going to see AI art for what it is: a tool or asset. There is a clear difference between AI and art made by a real person. Humans have emotions and passion that can't be replicated which is why I hate seeing some artists feel the way they do. I understand why they feel threatened or angry about AI, but they are, in my opinion, always going to be the superior choice! Youtube really is like that, I couldn't have said it better myself! xD In fact my recent review simply said, "Disagreement in rating" and I'm like, "Yeah, that's why I requested a human review?? WTF, you just told me what I already knew- that's why I'm asking!" lol. You're the second person now to tell me about that series. I think I watched one episode and have no idea why I stopped. I remember thinking the concept was really neat though so I'll need to pick it back up! There's also a new anime that recently came out about a skelly trying to become a human again and it made me think of you haha!
alichu
2024-01-10 09:52:25 +0000 UTCI'm at a point where I don't much care about it overall either, so long as people are upfront about using it like you mentioned. The whole thing about harassing people though is just dumb. It's ok to not like AI art, but don't go around saying someone is terrible just because their interests are different. As some others have pointed out, I'm sure companies will always find a way to utilize it to some degree, which unfortunately may impact artists negatively, but I don't put anything past companies and them trying to make money- AI or not! Youtube is very funny, I've given up trying to understand it haha! It used to irritate the hell out of me but now I'm just like "whatever, do what you're going to do" lol. I'm just going to keep doing my thing and hope for the best! xD I'm similar in that I'm pretty open to changing my mind about most things. There are some things I feel strong about for sure, but even those I'm willing to discuss so long as the other person is willing to listen and be respectful. it's when someone starts insulting or being a complete ass that I want nothing to do with them anymore haha! But some of the best discussions I've ever had have come from a difference of opinion for sure. As always, I very much enjoyed reading your take on this Joker! :)
alichu
2024-01-10 09:31:26 +0000 UTCwow looks like everyone has these massive posts. neat. looks like you drew a 'certain genre' of art on your pixiv recently. i was surprised to see it but it's fine.
better call saki
2024-01-10 08:08:19 +0000 UTCYouâre so not alone in regretting angry edgy comments youâve made in the past, Iâm right there with you man As for tablets, looks like Ali already beat me to it! I did get the Wacom Cintiq 16, I wanted one where I could draw directly on the screen and the 27 inch seemed way bigger than I needed, so the 16 is perfect. I actually got 3 months of Clip Studio Paint free thanks to a promotion Wacom was doing with them. Dunno if thatâs a permanent promo or not tho
Secular Succotash
2024-01-10 07:55:21 +0000 UTC***WARNING*** This commentâs long as hell. You chose real good topics Alichu, I had a lot to say! Seriously though, I basically wrote a fucking dissertation. I give this warning out of respect for your time I donât think my stance on AI art has changed any from the last time it was brought up but I guess Iâll articulate my thoughts more this time around than just âAI badâ. First off, I genuinely think AI can be a useful tool such as generating references, creating ideas from text prompts, and stuff like that. However, I still donât consider it real art and I donât know if I ever will, since thereâs no real creativity behind it. Thereâs no artist behind the scenes, striving to improve themselves in every piece. No hours spent carefully crafting something theyâre proud of. No puzzling over âhow tf do I make this pose look rightâ lol. AI doesnât have any of that, so I canât truly call it art. Itâll likely always remain âcomputer generated imagesâ in my eyes. Pretty computer generated images to be sure, but not art. But really thereâs no issue with that, itâs âjustâŚlikeâŚmy opinion man.â What is art then? Fuck if I know, thatâs like philosophy or some shit and I ainât getting into that right now. Iâm already writing a whole ass novel over here lol. My only real problem with AI art is that takes commissions away from real artists. Not because AI art is âbetterâ but because of simple supply and demand. AI will always win the supply game since it can generate art infinitely faster than a human can. That means AI art can be sold much cheaper, undercutting real artists and essentially pricing them out of the market. The whole Wacom sitch is a perfect example. Even though Wacom is a company that sells equipment to artists who wouldâve been thrilled to accept a commission from them, it was probably just cheaper to AI generate stuff. Theyâre a business after all, why pay an artist and wait for them to draw something for you when you can just generate something on the spot for next to nothing? (Really though that was a boneheaded move. How tf they think that was gonna go?) This whole thing isnât unique to artists alone either. AI/automation leads to human obsolescence in all kinds of career fields. Just look at the self-checkout kiosks in grocery stores for a prime example. TL;DR AI can be an awesome tool but likely does more harm than good by taking commissions away from real artists. Finally, it SHOULD go without saying but this is the internet after all. Being a dick is never the right answer. Even if you disagree with someone, personal attacks and harassment arenât excusable. Besides you donât win over hearts and minds that way, you just make yourself look immature and wellâŚlike a dick. Do I hate AI art taking jobs from artists? Yeah, I do. Do I hate the people who generate AI art? Of course not, theyâre just tryna make a buck like anyone else. They didnât make the game we call capitalism. theyâre just playing it. Same as all of us. I agree with you that itâs sad some people feel discouraged to draw, thinking AI art is âbetterâ than them. My answer to that is the same as people feeling discouraged by thinking other artists are âbetterâ than them: I wonât ask them to not compare themself to others. Itâs inevitable, itâs human nature. I donât even think itâs necessarily a BAD thing to compare yourself to others. The issue doesnât lie in comparing yourself to others, it lies in HOW you compare yourself to others. Instead of looking at an artist you admire and thinking âoh Iâll never be that good I should just give upâ, try to think, âIâm not that good right now, so how do I get there?â That mentality has helped me personally a lot at least. It shifts the focus from a defeatist mentality to a growth mentality, and is more constructive than the old, âjust donât compare yourself to othersâ. And finally, on people changing their minds. Iâm with you 100% on pretty much everything you said. Changing your mind isnât a bad thing at all, I mean as long as it doesnât change for the worse lol. It reminds me of a little comic I saw once where this guy is spouting off some misinformation. Someone explains the truth of the matter to the first guy prompting him to say, âWait. If I change my mind now, doesnât that mean Iâm a hypocrite?â To which the second guy says, âNo. It means youâve grown.â That quote really stuck with me, and itâs pretty much exactly what you said here. I think a lot of people, including me, can get so worried about being seen as a hypocrite and being shunned by their friends or family that theyâre afraid to admit when they changed their mind. Iâll spare my life story but I was a lot worse with that when I was younger. Anyway, Iâm putting this last thing at the end here cause it fit NOWHERE else in this âcommentâ (more like an essay at this point) Also itâs a fun note to end on after all those opinions: Yeah peach is a hard flavor to nail down in a drink, real hit or miss. I find artificial peach tends to share one too many flavor notes with barf, and can easily taste like a mouthful oâ vom if not done right. Okay Iâm finally done typing this monstrosity out. I got work tomorrow, need to sleep haha
Secular Succotash
2024-01-10 07:37:26 +0000 UTCHappy birthday Antoni, and don't worry arrogant angry little teenager, is a pretty good descriptor for a bunch of teens, including me when I was one lol.
Sir Skelington
2024-01-10 02:29:47 +0000 UTCI applaud you for being open minded, but I can't see myself liking AI art. I'm not hating on the people that use it, I get why they do it and I think it has it's place, if you just wanna mess around or use it to play d&d or whatever that's fine. When it gets to companies trying to muscle out their workers to replace them, or if you're an author who's writing a story but can't draw cover art then why bother commissioning an artist. I mean why have storyboard artist or concept artist when you could just do it with AI. I'm not saying that it will replace all artist or even all artist in large companies, but what I think it will do is the company that might have had 10 artist will have maybe 2 whose job is just to touch up AI art, and I just don't think that's right, it just feels wrong. I think a good medium is if we could say yeah you can do it but because it's an amalgamation then you can't copyright it, then it will still get use and be used for just putting ideas on paper but if anyone wants to make money off of something they need a traditional artist. Even calling it art feels wrong to me. To me art needs to elicit an emotional response and when I look at AI art I just feel apathy, that isn't to say everything a human does is art, just throwing a can of paint on a wall isn't art to me. When it comes to youtube I think they'd honestly do whatever they can to keep from paying creators, they're one of the worst employers. Hey boss can I get my paycheck? No Why not, I did what you wanted, did I do something wrong? Maybe Well can you tell me what it was? All I'll say is its something you did on Tuesday. If any kind of in person job did this then they'd have a strike or eventually word would spread and they wouldn't be able to hire anyone. All I want youtube to do is be real with at least their creators and just say look we cant just allow everything cuz the advertisers won't allow it so lets reach some happy medium and deal with it. On a completely unrelated note I just found out about a series called monster girl doctor, thought it seemed up your alley, no pun intended.
Sir Skelington
2024-01-10 02:20:31 +0000 UTCThanks for sharing your thoughts Azazel, I enjoyed reading what you had to say! I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed sketching :) Making something yourself is a great feeling which I don't think AI will be able to replicate. There's a lot of emotions that go into art which is why I'll always choose something made by a real person if given the choice. While AI is cool to look at and probably fun to play with, it's never going to replace the passion of a real person. And no worries at all about the posing thing, I totally get you! Tbh, some of the best ASMR I've listened to recently had a very suggestive thumbnail but the audio/video itself was just a still frame or vtuber chilling lol. I definitely won't shame someone for playing that thumbnail game haha! The issue that I have is the double standard youtube seems to have. It's strange how a "real" person can do certain poses/actions but a drawing or vtuber is just too much for them. How dare a fake anime girl have a big chest! It's very silly lol.
alichu
2024-01-10 01:10:05 +0000 UTCI feel like I don't have as strong of opinion of AI as some of the other comments lol. I pretty much just don't like it if it's done by a big company that can obviously hire actual artists, it just seems super tasteless. I also don't like it when people try to pass off AI art as anything other than it being AI art. But if people are upfront about it, I don't really care. I also really don't know where people get all this energy to go out and harass people for using AI art even outside of it being a shitty thing to do. YouTube will always be an enigma to me. I don't understand at all why things get restricted. Like even outside of ASMR stuff, sometime people just have their videos restricted for no reason at all. I also find it really funny that I watch pretty much only SFW ASMR roleplays, but even still YouTube will recommended videos with the most out of pocket thumbnails and/or titles. And like I don't really care about seeing lewd/NSFW stuff, which should be pretty obvious from the things I have talked about lol, but it just always confuses me that YouTube will recommended videos that are way "worse" than videos that are getting restricted. Lastly for the opinion thing, there is very few opinions that I care so deeply about that I would never change them. And it does seem a bit childish for people to tease someone for changing their opinion. I do tend to get defensive if someone really goes against an opinion I have, but I usually will take time after arguing with whoever to see more about their viewpoint especially if it's my friend. Which has often lead to me changing my opinion or apologizing but also sometimes leads to me having better points to talk about with the person and strengthens my opinion.
JokermanTalon
2024-01-10 01:04:30 +0000 UTCOf course Antoni, I hope you had a great day on your birthday! ^_^ Thanks for your comment too, I really enjoyed reading your take on this. I think it's really mature of you to be able to look back at your past actions and make changes. It doesn't matter how old or young you are, that is a great trait to have in growing as a person! As someone who had a really bad attitude/anger problem growing up, I can relate to your comment a lot. As for the youtube comment thing, it's all ridiculous lol. In fact, I was worried that maybe you didn't see one of my replies recently because I wrote "ass" haha! xD Sometimes I feel that the youtube bots latch on to words and deems them bad regardless of context. Even though I have my comments set to allow all, I still have quite a bit I have to manually review (which is really silly). More times than not the person's comment is completely fine they just used a certain word. For your example though, it just pushes the double standard they have even more. Youtube is fine with one thing but not another even though they exist within the same genre. A can say or do this, but B can't because...why exactly? lol. You really are in the graces of whoever or whatever chooses to review you that day. While I do enjoy looking at AI art, I'm very much under the belief that real art and artists will always be better. Like I mentioned to Cody, art is more than visuals and engagement. It has personality and emotion which is something AI will never have. Funny enough considering Wacom was brought up, I have a Wacom tablet! :P Despite what you're hearing now of people hating on them, they are and have always been a good tablet brand. Never had any major issues with them. I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) Succotash said he got my same tablet which is a Wacom Cintiq 16. If you choose to get one, I look forward to seeing what you make! :D
alichu
2024-01-10 00:58:25 +0000 UTCThanks for commenting, Cody! I've missed doing my rambles too and I hope to do them more here and there now that the holidays are over :) I completely agree with you that discourse and having discussions about different opinions is good. It's how we grow and see new perspectives. Usually when I'm talking to someone, and I get the vibe that they aren't for healthy debate I'll just "walk away" (not literally but figuratively lol). It is very sad when I see artists talk about giving up or feeling as though they aren't good enough compared to AI art. My stance on that will never change: Humans are always going to be better than AI. The fact that you're a living person and have passion already makes you better in any art that you make. There's more to art than just how it visually looks or how much engagement it gets. I love seeing someone's personality come through in what they make, something AI will never be able to replicate. I know that's just my opinion, but I wholeheartedly feel that to be true!
alichu
2024-01-09 23:53:16 +0000 UTCThanks for commenting Kai, you bring up some really good points and I agree with everything you said. I think AI art does have potential depending on how it's used. Similar to when digital art first started becoming a thing and we saw how much easier it made things in animating, etc. It's funny because there are still some people who don't consider digital art "real art" which is silly. But just to further the point that some people are a bit over the top in their thinking of things I feel. I do think it's an issue when people lie about using AI or think they are better than others for doing so. At the end of the day, I believe that anything human made will always have an edge because it has personality and soul- something that AI art can't steal. There will always be a need for real artists because people will always have favorites and preferences as they do with everything else. As for Youtube, I've completely given up on trying to understand them haha! I'm just going to keep doing my thing and if an issue occurs, I'll deal with it as it comes. I do find the double standard extremely silly though- not just with asmr but in general on the site itself. I'm sure we can all relate to changing our opinion or talking with someone who has. I tend to joke a lot, so I completely understand doing that with some friends who had strong opinions before. I think joking is fine, but it becomes an issue when someone makes a person feel bad or guilty for doing so. Thanks again for commenting, I enjoyed reading your take Kai! :)
alichu
2024-01-09 23:41:31 +0000 UTCTo be fair, AI art really is just being an existence for those who don't want to do the hard work. And that's rich coming from me since I never once liked drawing until Quarantine hit. I'm not trying to hate on anyone who does art since that's pretty cool, but I feel like AI is just here to exist and that's all. Me having to create my art felt like a bit of crap when I first had my sketch, but I did enjoy what I was doing which felt weird. Like I really wasn't an "artist," nor did I enjoy every bit of it, and then somehow that just all changed when I started to give myself my own Persona. And let's be real Alichu, any pose on an asmr can be misleading depending on what you're doing, just like your sketch for Umbreon(probably miss spelled that), the Snow Leopard, etc(don't mean to make a downfall on you, just some examples).
BloodyAzazel
2024-01-09 16:53:50 +0000 UTCFirst of all, thanks very much Ali for the birthday wishes again! It's really appreciated and I'm glad to see you back with the rambles! And well done for getting through the busy season of retail work. I have witnessed myself change over the last few years and it's truly a blessing because I can't stand how I used to think and act. From what I know, I'm slightly more on the younger side compared to most of you guys. Because of this, it wasn't long ago that I was an arrogant angry little teenager in the YouTube comment sections (2017 was particularly filled with these cases). I'm grateful I grew out of that, deleted any nasty-worded stuff I posted and promised myself to always be respectful in discussions. UNFORTUNATELY that isn't always necessarily the solution. Like Kai put it; YouTube policies can be an enigma. Comment tolerance is inconsistent on YouTube - as I've mentioned to you before. The most recent example of this is when I saw a highly upvoted comment which I disagreed strongly with - and not only that - but he actually somewhat contradicted himself and no one seems to have noticed. I see opinions I disagree with all the time on social media, that's fine - what I hate it is when that opinion is more on the attacking-side with blind, untrammeled support behind it. I replied by explaining why his comment was a fallacy. Low and behold; my comment was hidden - just in case I may have offended him or something! But get this; he called the other side "autistic" and that they have a "mental disorder or something". Ahem, YouTube? There could be autistic reading that and feeling ashamed that their condition is used as an insult. Whereas I'm not allowed break down his argument and point out it's flaws...? I'm glad I could talk about this because it actually keeps me up at night sometimes. I regret that I enjoy YouTube because of how stupid it all is. And as we've seen, Alichuart is no exception. I think for the snake girl, the system recognised the word "Lamia" in the title and knew the kind of reputation Lamias have in the world of ASMR. Still, if they're going to make a decision with a big impact, they need to justify it by reviewing your content beforehand. The rise in AI art has its pros and cons. There are personas that are open about the fact they use AI art to generate character renders. But I can understand the worry from professional artists. I agree that AI art has this soulless presence behind it, because that's exactly what it is - a product from soulless thing. To them; it's math, combination of data and formulae. Until AI becomes sentient and self-aware, it will never have what human-made art has; a soul, an emotion, a story, etc... I didn't know about that Wacom AI art thing; that's kinda weird. Weird because you'd think a company that sells art equipment would want to promote them by showing what someone can do with their product - i.e. this art was drawn using a Wacom tablet. Like, that makes sense, no? đ Speaking of tablets, Kai said he uses XP-Pen. Ali (and Secular if you're reading this), what tablets do you guys use? I'm thinking of buying Clip Studio along with my first screen drawing tablet soon WITH screen protection - I won't forget that, Ali! Have a great day, all!
Artilleries
2024-01-09 15:04:34 +0000 UTCI've missed Ali Rambles! Unfortunately a lot of people on the internet are stubborn in believing that their opinion is superior and if you think differently you are inherently wrong and also a bad person. Healthy discourse is good! Sharing opinions and arguments is how we learn and grow, even if you discover that you were wrong or misguided, that discovery and subsequent change is what improves you as a person. There's a big difference between arguing with and berating someone. I'm of two minds about AI art, it's proven to be a useful tool for content creators, artists looking for inspiration or people using it to bring life to their ideas without needing the skills to draw or paint. I don't like that AI art trains itself on other people's work without permission. It's not like an aspiring artist using another artists work as a learning tool - these models take and use billions of images taken without consent to analyze and create new art using that information and generate new art almost instantaneously. While this may be fine for the average person to just play around with, when corporations start using this art for profit or worse to blatantly copy another artist, I think that's wrong. Human made art is never going to go away, no matter how good AI art becomes, it'll never have the soul that handmade art can capture, nor will it be able to truly understand the creative vision of a particular idea. Regardless, I can sympathize with artists that feel discouraged or threatened by the growing prevalence of AI art. I hope that eventually some sort of solution can be made where everyone is happy, but I've no earthly idea what that would be.
codytachi
2024-01-09 14:05:33 +0000 UTCInteresting takes, Ali; both with the AI art thing and the double standards of YouTube. For the AI art part: I still mainly hold that if you use it for fun novelty or as a tool in your process I don't have any qualms. My main issue with generative AI (art or text) is when folks us what the AI put out as their final product without any further iteration to refine it, or that they won't be honest about using it when it's obvious they did. What an AI outputs may seem okay at first, but even the best put together AI art has its faults and tends to come off as soul-less. I'm not sure how to tackle the "AI steals art from others to make its art" as I know that how a computer memory works is different from how an animal brain works in terms of getting and processing information, although the AI bros type of folks tend to be shameless in how they try to replicate art styles of artists they think are significant to copy. Corporations are especially scummy in how they want to use AI art as a way to get art without needing to work with artists cause it seems faster to get what they want. The Wacom thing is interesting because I do think it was tone deaf and stupid of Wacom to use AI art in their promotion, but at the same time the folks that reacted negatively to the revelation were many times over the top imo. Like, Wacom may be the "industry standard" but there are other brands to support nowadays, like XP-PEN, which I use and am happy to see them try so hard in making a quality product for the prices they give. If folks are being salty about the popularity of an AI post account, really it's more so an issue with how algorithms on social media prefer accounts that post constantly and consistently. AI can churn out chum quality art that can be posted for days on end, but a real artist usually needs a back log to keep the regular posting up. For the YouTube thing: The review system and deciding what to hit is always an enigma. You see so much stuff that almost clearly seems like it should be taken down or hidden, yet stays up, yet when you or a close friend posts something with even a slight suggestion then *boom* you're hit as though you're the bad guy. Both the bot and human reviews seem to have both a faultiness in how they work, and in how the humans especially can be biased based on who you're lucky, or unlucky, to get met with that day. I do wish consistency existed for this sort of thing, but alas humans have a tendency towards hypocrisy and laziness. One more point: I agree with you that in growing up we continue to learn things, and we are likely to change our perspectives as we gain more new experiences in life. I might joke with a friend if they make a drastic shift of opinion if they were adamantly against something then be all for it, but I still respect their new perspective. I think some folks might've taken the idea of "people don't change" a bit too strongly and think there's just a point where you never stray too far from your true nature to ever be able to change an initial opinion. Open conversation is always great, but it's sad when people's emotional and knee-jerk reactions lead to the closing of further discussions (I accept guilt in this as well in some cases of my life).
Kai Zomei
2024-01-09 13:18:34 +0000 UTC
