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Karsten Hase
2020-12-19 18:39:45 +0000 UTCIts funny how I agree with everything you said, yes I see the likeness to cold war and everything. And no it wouldnt be smart for any of these hypotheticals to happen. However nothing you said refutes that Naruto is the strongest person in the narutoverse and even if all of human kind stood up to him they would not be able to beat him. and if you cant see the correaltion of the tailed beast bomb to a nuclear bomb then im not sure why its in the story, its entirely meant to be a purely destructive force. Just because he doesnt have radiation and fallout powers doesnt make his effectiveness any less a real problem. Obviously none of this would ever happen. My original point which still has not been refuted is that if Naruto did want to rule the world he could and no one could stop him. Just like Michael said above. It doesnt matter if the world gets destabilized my entire point was no one could stop him if they wanted to not a feudal lord not another kage not a taled beast. No one. He's simply to powerful, just like Goku. If goku was evil he owns the universe. I agree with all your points but none of that matters because your saying what you think would happen in this fictional universe based on real life which is nice. However all your offering are reasons why he shouldn't take over the world which I agree with, but not any reasons of how anyone could do anything about it. The best you could give is economics. The reason I initially brought up the Feudal Lord attacking the hidden leaf was because you said it was against Naruto's character too defend the leaf against an attack of the whole of the land of fire, and I assumed you meant because Naruto would be the one attacking and not defending the leaf, so that would my point of bringing up the Lord attacking them first because that would be in Naruto's character to defend the leaf against all threats foreign and domestic. For lack of a better phrase, so no I wasn't trying to move the "goal post" just trying to get you to understand Naruto would be defending the village from the Feudal Lord being corrupt and trying to seize control of the nation by force Naruto wouldn't stand for that. So I apologize if you thought that was a "goal post "argument, maybe I just didn't make myself clear, patreon comment sections are hardly the best place to debate and if you care to talk about it more we could meet on BW discord and talk more about it there. And if you must have a reason for the Lord to attack the leaf, as in your words its Greatest Military force an easy one is Fuedal Lord believed the ninja were rising up and wanted to take them out before they could, just like sasuke's clan. You seem to think that the all of the land of fire would take the hidden leaf in a battle, I simply dont believe that to be a the case, time after time this show has shown that the Leaf is better than everyone else at everything. Im not saying that its a good or bad thing, the Original comment poster stated he didn't understand why the ninja listen to the lord, you gave a correct answer. I like to think for example that Danzo could have become hokage and would maybe have tried to take over the Land of Fire, now Danzo would be easy to stop because he's weaker than sasuke, but Naruto would be a lot more difficult of a person to defeat just as an example. Good talk and heso to you mate. Final word, my original comment starts with the sentence, "well that's good an all" which implies I agree with you because I do agree with your first reply.
Garrett Gee
2020-12-17 11:32:32 +0000 UTCAlso... no. Naruto does not have the power of 70,000+ high yield nuclear bombs. Not even close. He doesn't have the power to end all of civilization thousands of times over. If you can make the argument that Naruto has radiation and fallout powers, I might change my mind.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 14:14:13 +0000 UTC"Im not saying Naruto would, but what if the fuedal lord was trying to do something to intentionally harm the hidden leaf" This is accurately pointed out as goal post moving. Nobody made this argument and it's a nutty argument to begin with. Why would any Imperial system intentionally move against it's greatest military force unless there was irrefutable proof said village was going to rise up against them? That argument has no basis in logic.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 14:11:31 +0000 UTCAlso... I hate this discussion has tons of spoilers.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 13:57:47 +0000 UTC"But none of your point explain why in this world the ninja are subject to their government and not just dictators, and the simple reason is because that is not the story the author wanted to tell. " But I did. Economics plays a huge part in wars and I explained in my previous response that it's dumb for countries to go against their economic self interest. This reason is why the leeroy jenkins logic fails. One of the top Akatsuki's goals being to earn enough money to support their campaign for continual war. The story of Shippuden is exactly what the Cold War between the US and USSR was about. I think where hardcore anime fans fail is not understanding the creators of the anime they love borrows a lot from real world politics.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 13:56:04 +0000 UTCBingo Michael Jefferson. In the world of Naruto, it's extremely hard for even the most powerful people to take over for the reasons you listed. Again, it's much like The Cold War in our world. Regardless of how powerful one single entity is, there's external forces stopping them to go leeroy jenkins on everyone. In the Naruto world, if the Feudal Lords wanted to wreck a city state like the Leaf Village, they could with retaliative ease. People have to remember that countries/governments that have the most power also have the most to lose and it would defy all military logic for the Leaf Village to take over everything.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 13:48:34 +0000 UTCSo, Naruto kills the feudal lord, destabilizing the Land of Fire. At least half or more were loyal to the lord so a civil war breaks out. Naruto kills the dissidents. The other lands see that the Land of Fire is weakened and Naruto is gaining too much power so they band together to take him down before he does the same to their lands. They either beat him with their combined forces or Naruto kills them all. Naruto is now in charge of whatever is left of 5 entire countries. Naruto either governs them all, dies, and a new emperor is assigned who is more killable than he was and wars start up again, or he sets up delegates, dies, and wars start up again. The shinobi world isn't just based around power, half of it centers around bureaucracy and loyalty. Take the Akatsuki. Their problems weren't necessarily how much "strength" they had, it was about having the funds to achieve their goals, They could probably take out any village they wanted to if they worked together, but that's not exactly profitable. If they took over, smaller powers would join them or be forced into trading with them and bigger powers would inevitably war with them and we're right back where we started. Its easier to work within systems that were created over generations than wiping the slate clean. There would be no Kage in the first place had the feudal Lords not put them in place to delegate over the country's defense. If you're looking for a mageocracy, look to Avatar and Korra to see how well those turn out.
Michael Jefferson
2020-12-16 10:51:49 +0000 UTCyou just moved the goal post so far I can't even see the line my dude.
Tulio
2020-12-16 07:50:46 +0000 UTCIm not saying Naruto would, but what if the fuedal lord was trying to do something to intentionally harm the hidden leaf, you think hed just stand by and let them harm his village? The world wouldnt get the tailed beast most likely due to naruto having his freindship with kurama would know if something was going on like that and would no doubt in my mind go to stop anyone from being turned into jinchurriki the only person on the whole planet of the world of naruto who has a chance to stop him is sasuke... and welll sasuke lost. Im just saying in this fictional universe where Naruto can literally destroy the planet at the push of a "button"all he would need to do is shoot some of those end of series rasen shuriken tailed beast bombs. they are definitly put in the show to make the audience think of nukes.... so naruto has as many nukes as he has chakra which is a lot. But none of your point explain why in this world the ninja are subject to their government and not just dictators, and the simple reason is because that is not the story the author wanted to tell. Sure he prolly modelled it after fuedal japan with the shogunate wars and such. That doesnt mean it makes sense for them to do it.
Garrett Gee
2020-12-16 06:30:28 +0000 UTCThat's only if he didn't care about the Village Hidden in the Leaf and did something that's completely out of his character. Besides, if he did that the world would just start the cycle of putting tailed beasts in people again. Something that you described Garrett is the reason why each major Shinobi village has a Jinchuriki in the first place. Also.. our world has things more power than anything shown in Naruto. The nuclear bomb is the equivalent of the villages having Jinchuriki. During the Cold War, the peak stockpile was over 30,000 and the Soviets had over 50,000. Naruto was strong but he couldn't destroy the entire plant with a button. In fact, the political stuff you see in Shippuden is extremely familiar with the issues surrounding The Cold War and wouldn't shock me if it inspired Kishimoto's writing in Shippuden. There's also various points in history where weapons technology acted much like an overpowered Naruto. (invention of gun powder, Blitzkrieg from the Khans, etc). Genghis Khan took over half of the world because nobody could compete with his military technology. He killed so many people the temperature of the Earth decreased.
Chaos T
2020-12-16 03:42:52 +0000 UTCThats all well and good dude, but seeing as End of Series naruto is a god he it shouldnt make a difference to him what a feudal lord tells him to do. He could literally rule the world and no one could stop him, and its not like our world at all, we dont have super powers, and Id be hard pressed if the lord of the fire land got all the other villages to attack Hidden leaf that the leaf ninja wouldnt obliterate all of them.
Garrett Gee
2020-12-15 23:03:14 +0000 UTCUsername, what's proven throughout history is this system does exist and it's how feudal Empires pretty much operated. Take a look at the Holy Roman Empire as an example. There were regions like Bohemia, the Prussian region, and Austria that could have easily taken over whole regions of the HRE because they were significantly more powerful than everyone else. This system is also pretty similar to Feudal Japan. Alexander the Great relied on powerful kingdoms to keep his empire afloat for the little time he had on Earth. I can give you too many historical examples that mirror the balance of power in Naruto. The reason why powerful kingdoms in empires tended to stay loyal to an Emperor is because the economic benefits vastly outweighed the gains they would have made by betraying an emperor. That isn't to say it doesn't happen and history has proven empires fall. However, it has also proven to work in a feudal economy. It should also be noted that while certain countries might be powerful, the entire weight of an Empire could crush them and that's another reason why Kingdoms tended to stay loyal. To bring it back to the Narutoverse, my impression of the feudal lands is they're a collection of city states held together by the Feudal Lord. The Village Hidden in the Leaf might have the most powerful shinobi but that village certainly isn't the only village with people that can use jutsu (which is proven time and again throughout OG Naruto and Shippuden). If the Land of Fire wanted to, it could call on all it's city states and crush the Hidden Leaf Village. There's nothing the leaf village could do against pure numbers. Attrition wins out and eventually the village would be crushed. Long story short, there's a lot of historical precedent to back the type of government presented in Naruto. There's also the issue that the other hidden villages don't trust one another and need the backing from the lands they reside in. The latest episode The Blind Wave reacted to hints at that concept.
Chaos T
2020-12-15 20:22:02 +0000 UTCIt isn't that different. If a military gets too powerful, has land of their own, an economy of its own, and more loyalty to themselves than the head of the government, then there's literally no reason for them to give a damn about that government head's authority. This has been proven countless times throughout history. And is especially notable here considering how much more powerful a ninja (even a child ninja) can be compared to a normal person, and how little we've seen the feudal lords actually doing anything that benefits / earns the loyalty of the village.
Username
2020-12-15 17:56:41 +0000 UTChow is that different from civilians and armies. why would armies give a damn about our supposed authority when they can just say screw the elections we'll just install our own puppet president and just nuke anyone who disagrees
Thierno Sow
2020-12-15 16:41:55 +0000 UTCI wouldn't overthink the Gaara stuff. He's just sitting in his room listening to Taking Back Sunday
KevinFromNewYork
2020-12-15 16:29:46 +0000 UTCThis never made sense to me. Maybe there's a good explanation out there for it somewhere, but as far as I can see there's no reason at all for the feudal lords to exist in this world. They serve 0 purpose in the story and there's no way some super powered ninja with an army of other super powered ninja would give a damn about their supposed authority. Especially when they haven't been shown to have an army or super powers of their own.
Username
2020-12-15 16:16:56 +0000 UTCJust some info no spoilers here 😁 gama means toad in japanese and the feudal lord,kage relationship is something akin to a king(feudal lord) to a general (kage) where the kage is in charge of the military might of the country while the feudal lord rule the land
James Keong Sin Gen
2020-12-15 16:08:27 +0000 UTCUgh... I forgot how this episode of Naruto kills the jiraiya hype
Saitama
2020-12-15 16:02:34 +0000 UTCNarutooooo
Zee
2020-12-15 15:12:31 +0000 UTCah fate/stay night uwb the show where everyone of aarons predictions is wrong. its actually brilliant and quite funny tbh. Rick though is the reverse, he is often right and then talked out of his Correct view by others Justice for Rick, vote berserk
CommanderL
2020-12-15 14:53:43 +0000 UTC
