We Were Soldiers Reaction
Added 2024-11-22 19:23:37 +0000 UTC
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I had forgotten about that one; good call-out... though, yes, it is a dark one... but for the subject matter they're all likely bound to be, more or less.
S_Vive
2024-12-31 06:01:39 +0000 UTCThank you! I am enjoying the channel Very much.
Danny G
2024-12-29 07:07:52 +0000 UTCOh yeah the final “charge” never happened the NVA were exhausted and withdrew after the third day, add on the 2nds arrival and more air strikes prompted them wait
rattle wood
2024-12-06 15:01:20 +0000 UTCI know it was the sister battalion I was referring to Hal’s battalion doing the final charge being fiction because I believe the sister battalion just relieved them when they were airlifted out. We’re on the same page tho👍🏾
Damarcus Hamilton
2024-12-06 11:11:53 +0000 UTCHal Moore was one the best examples of a leader and human, he helped restructure the army in 80s to what it is now and his name and his wife Julia are on fort Benning as Fort Moore. He would return to Vietnam with some other veterans and even meet Nguyễn Hữu An his foe at ira drang and helped pave the way to the restored relations between Vietnam and the US His interview after the battle https://youtu.be/70zHanLhce0?si=Sx45DazprXWryaTJ A tribute by the fort for his funeral https://youtu.be/w00HolLYnGI?si=ZJ2neQ1HgYbBMlIq A documentary showing hal and men of the 7th returning to Vietnam to make peace https://youtu.be/vfS3Erh-IZU?si=jcYhdRET4G8B2jFA And history buffs if want more facts about this movie and events around it https://youtu.be/6ABJVrRfr2Q?si=L58V1eICfKfYGUAn
rattle wood
2024-12-05 22:44:55 +0000 UTCThe reason they didn’t show LZ Albany was that that wasnt Hals battalion (the 1st) in that part of the battle, but rather the reinforcements of the 2nd battalion (sister battalion of hals) that was ambushed when trying to evacuate. The 1st had already withdrawn and was “victorious”
rattle wood
2024-12-05 22:36:22 +0000 UTCSheesh that's dark.
Manospondylus
2024-12-05 15:06:25 +0000 UTCtheir not traitors their Americans that their parents wanted to live in America to serve
mascareno
2024-12-05 04:03:41 +0000 UTCThe amount of "Well actually..." PhD Historians in the Replies of the comment section is amazing!
Brett Norman
2024-12-01 17:33:40 +0000 UTCDoes that leave no room for passionate debate? Historians are very often teachers. Even if the student or debate opponate is in error, is it better to be wrong? Or apathetic?
Varrus
2024-12-01 08:18:41 +0000 UTCwoah, that got intense! You both clearly know your subject-matter. Not to b a fence-sitter, but aren't both perspectives true here? Coupla points I might quibble over, but is this one of those situations when both points are true at the same time? Invasion? Without invitation, sure, but an ally asks for help? Does that change things? In Australia we had genuine fear of the Dominoe effect. (and the so-called 'yel**w-peril', a racist fear that has largly but not completely died out unfortunately.) In Ww2 japan was on our doorstep, in our harbours in our skies. All our forces were in Europe. In Englands war. Cos they are Allies. We could not withstand the Japanese had they invaded in force. Not for long. U.s and Eng. could not help, they had nothing to send. Aus came closer to defeat than most know or are comfortable with. Vietnam, Korea Chinas enthusiasm for communism terrified us. We could not defend against troop landings. But we believed we could halt communism in S/E Asia, like the three hundred spartans. Were we wrong? Was Australia wrong for going to Vietnam? Did the soldiers go for the same reasons the politicians sent them? Alternate History: U.S, Aus, and all other allies Did NOT go to vietnam. Describe that future. Seriously. I would dearly like to know the fate of the Indo-pacific oceanic nations down here at the Butt-craic of the globe had Vietnam been left alone by the west to enjoy its civil war with certain nations (cough china cough) fanning flames. Really. Whats both of your alternate timelines? Much love😎🪖😎
Varrus
2024-12-01 07:54:44 +0000 UTCSo thrilling to see a respectful, vigorous debate so well-read and well made! Kudos Phoenix and Greg Man😁👍
Varrus
2024-12-01 07:43:28 +0000 UTCHear Hear!
Varrus
2024-12-01 07:38:20 +0000 UTCThat was... Concise. A decade of geo-political cross-continental ideologies swept up in culture revolutions across dozens of nations, all summed up in neat, bullet point form... I saw in a different post that you served in the armed forces; please understand, I hold both yourself, your comrades, and your opinions in the highest Regards. I do wonder, can the Vietnam War, can any war be so accurately, neatly and Truthfully summed up? I am not an historian, but I take some pride in knowing my history. I am familiar with, and agree with many of the points you made. But are they the only points? Is there no room for additional or alternate view points? Ken Burns couldn't sum up the Vietnam war in less than a mini series, so I wonder at the confidence to attempt it in three paragraphs. Much respect to you, and may I end with these sacred words... "At the going down of the sun, We Will Remember Them. Lest We Forget."
Varrus
2024-12-01 07:36:36 +0000 UTCSorry to disappoint you, Gavin, but I'm literally a professional historian. You seem to be a professional angry person.
Prometheus
2024-12-01 02:27:39 +0000 UTCIncorrect. Research what happening laos, to the mong people, Cambodia prior to this. These young ladies have to go on their journey to learn the truth that the North Vietnam hid from generations. A slaughter was coming. North Vietnam was taken by military coupe by a general who sided with China and began to illiminate the south who resisted. These young ladies are not speaking Chinese because of what happened in death valley. The communists realised that America would stand up and stopped their march. Ridiculous fake news has clouded this. It is easier for people to blame usa. Then for the Vietnamese people to realise they were lied too and were nearly a Chinese communist hell hole. Its not a bigger question. Its simply that people ignore the facts to suit what they want to be the truth. You can argue that the USA should have stayed out, fine. Look these girls in the eye and say I would prefer for you to be a part of a Chinese dictatorship , its people slaughtered instead. Because you would feel, better if usa stayed out of it.
Gavin Dwyer
2024-11-30 13:04:53 +0000 UTCColonial powers. You clearly have zero idea what it was about. The communists from China invaded and slaughtered the people of laos. North Vietnam chose to submit to the communists. South Vietnamese wanted independence. They asked the allies to for help to fight the communists. The allies agreed when North Vietnamese began killing civilians who refused to comply. Woke week hippies have distorted these historical facts. American fought for Vietnamese against Vietnamese to stop the march of communism. When the allies "withdraw". 2 things occurred. Many Vietnamese of the south were slaughtered. But buy this rime the world was watching North Vietnam. While it may have hidden the truth from its people for generations. Movies like this are finally showing young Vietnamese the truth of who started this war , and what it was about. Hopefully you will chose to research the history so you get a better understanding of reality. You can hold the point of view USA and others should not have gotten involved. But never lie to yourself this was USA trying to take a country. If you doubt what was in stal, for the independent south Vietnamese, go read laos history 20 years leading up to 1964
Gavin Dwyer
2024-11-30 11:09:36 +0000 UTCI would very much like you to react to "Casualties of War" directed by Brian De Palma and Starring Sean Penn and Michael J. Fox (from "Back to the Future"). It is based on a true story from the Vietnam War, and it is an excellent but lesser-known film.
Prometheus
2024-11-29 23:25:30 +0000 UTCThe government of South Vietnam was a corrupt puppet regime that had no interest in the welfare of the Vietnamese people, and those who fought for that government were traitors to the Vietnamese people. The very fact that the Viet Cong had such widespread support in the south shows how undemocratic and hated the government of South Vietnam was.
Prometheus
2024-11-29 23:19:58 +0000 UTCThe Vietnam War was one of the only times the colonial powers were defeated and the people won their freedom. The Vietnamese should be very proud of their victory in this war, both against the French and against the Americans and Australians.
Prometheus
2024-11-29 23:15:23 +0000 UTCwonderful reaction keep up the good work
Coby
2024-11-25 23:00:15 +0000 UTCI'd really love to see y'all watch "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" at some point
Matthew Gonzales
2024-11-25 15:21:15 +0000 UTCBased on their Apocalypse Now reaction I think they should take a break from films like this. But yes Platoon is solid film that is worth reacting to
Henry N.
2024-11-24 21:35:12 +0000 UTCI understand what you are saying and am happy to see that I mistook your meaning a bit. Seems we are very much on the same page here. This is why I might say I have a problem with USA, but I will never say that I have a problem with "americans". It's the leadership and politics that is the problem. The people have their good (and bad) everywhere, but the actions of the nation cannot be blamed on individual citizens.
phoenix241
2024-11-24 10:43:53 +0000 UTCRead your reply to my post. I agree with you on 95% of what you said. But history shows America assisting other nations (such as WW2 and south Korea) without them being called invaders - which is why Americans swallowed the lie we were told by the government - that we needed to "help" Vietnam. The American government started down an imperialist path starting in the 50's and hasn't stopped since. I am much more in agreement with your comment than you might think.
Gregory A Mann
2024-11-24 02:43:41 +0000 UTCWithout getting drawn into a bigger discussion about historical facts, propaganda, spin and other things, I would like to simply say: That is not entirely accurate. USA inserted itself into a civil war on the other side of the globe because they could. There is no excuse, and it is by every definition an invasion when you send your military into another sovereign nation. Their reasoning was the fear of communism spreading, as you say, which was insanely stupid... and none of their business by the way. If people want to adopt a different economic and political system... they can. The simple fact is that without the puppet regime and constant american financial and military support keeping it artificially alive, the idea of "South Vietnam" had no chance in the civil war. This became extremely obvious from 1973 to 1975. Even with all the training and equipment they still had from the americans. And why didn't they have any chance? What causes someone to lose a civil war? Loss of public support. The south vietnamese "cause", whatever you would define it as, was simply not supported by the vast majority of vietnamese people. In the same way the imaginary pro-american regime propped up in Kabul in 2001 didn't last a week against a population that despised them once the americans signalled they were pulling out. At least you don't seem to be one of those rare americans that actually still support this gruesome crime called the "vietnam war".
phoenix241
2024-11-24 02:10:17 +0000 UTCI enjoyed your reaction to this film. I would recommend hopefully that you react to Platoon(1986) by Director Oliver Stone who actually served in the Vietnam war and wrote and directed the film based on his experiences in the war
Francisco
2024-11-24 01:43:32 +0000 UTCThis movie, despite being quite a bit more nuanced and accurate than certain other american movies, is still suffering from a bit of pro-american propaganda. If you were to believe what you see on screen, then the vietnamese army seems to have lost almost everything, but that is simply not the case. The amount of people in vietnamese uniforms being shown killed makes it seem they lost about a million. The battle was called a "victory" for the americans by american media in 1965, but most historians today seem to agree that NOBODY won. Besides, the american forces pulled out of the valley immediately after. Not holding any of the ground; making the entire battle a completely meaningless waste of lives. Both sides lost very close to half their forces, which is disastrous for any force: The americans and their allies lost 369 killed and more wounded. The vietnamese lost somewhere between 554 and 669 soldiers according to vietnamese sources. That insane number of "1800 killed" is a huge exaggeration, which was very common at the time (and unfortunately still is)
phoenix241
2024-11-24 01:39:18 +0000 UTCRegarding the scene when Hal Moore is informed his unit has been renamed "7th Cavalry" and says "same as Custer?", he is referring to the Battle of Little Bighorn, also called "Custer's last stand", where general Custer, leading the 7th cavalry suffered a devastating defeat to the native americans and was also killed himself. I guess he felt it might bring bad luck to get the same number as a unit that was famous for losing badly. Interestingly, the "indian wars" were just as indefensible and immoral as the american war against Vietnam.
phoenix241
2024-11-23 23:53:41 +0000 UTCI am always interested in seeing your reaction to american Vietnam war movies. I always like it when you say "we are attacking them", when you see vietnamese soldiers. It's good to see this perspective.
phoenix241
2024-11-23 23:22:33 +0000 UTCPlease react to Lethal Weapon one of Mel Gibson best movies
Blackwargreymon00
2024-11-23 19:59:36 +0000 UTCYou're really confused on some of this. America did not invade. We joined South Vietnam against the North. It was your war until our government made it ours. The south vietnam soldiers fought with us - they were not "traitors". It was the democratic south against the communist north. We got involved because of a stupid belief in the "Dominoe Effect", which said you have to stop communist expansion at any cost. Politicians in America always want to fight because they won't be the ones to die. America does not learn from it's mistakes. We repeated this in Afganistan. I certainly understand your point of view - since it's been 60 years. I remember this insane war - I am 65 years old. I appreciate your compassion for all the soldiers who died in that senseless war.
Gregory A Mann
2024-11-23 19:22:33 +0000 UTCDad flew in Vietnam. One of the things he would go one about is how much he hated that Huey helicopter. He flew the Skycrane heavy lift helicopter. Extremely powerful helicopter. He got shot down 3+ times all while flying the Huey.
Manospondylus
2024-11-23 17:08:59 +0000 UTCwould recommend platoon, deer hunter and good morning vietnam.
Snick
2024-11-23 12:45:22 +0000 UTCNot cringe at all. Absolutely there were people who were not aware of what was going on those days. That's a big part of why that sort of thing and many others were allowed to go on as long as they did.
David Collins
2024-11-23 11:59:42 +0000 UTCIdk, if she had never been to the south and has been living on Military bases that were integrated you can get pretty insulated from the rest of the country. Remember it took a punch of protesters getting beat in Selma on tv in 65 for a lot of people in the country to wake up about Jim Crow
Damarcus Hamilton
2024-11-23 09:48:05 +0000 UTC“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” ~ Norm Macdonald
Proto Type
2024-11-23 06:08:12 +0000 UTCGood movie.. The hamfisted laundry scene with the woman somehow not knowing what the signs meant is cringe. Everyone knew.
Manospondylus
2024-11-23 05:04:50 +0000 UTCThis is why I wanted them to react to We were Soldiers, while Full Metal Jacket and apocalypse now are great films centered around Vietnam, the amount of satire, metaphors Would be very hard for anybody and especially someone who’s English is their second language and not used to American cinema. While We were Soldiers definitely has that “America patriotism” tinge to it, and once you learn that the ending was fictionalized because the Air Cav was ambushed even worse at LZ Albany that becomes even truer it still at the very least attempts to respect the Vietnamese soldiers and their POV. Now Platoon is one that is a heavy one, but with Oliver Stone being a Vietnam vet I feel it’s the absolute best American Vietnam war movie. However I would understand if they decided not to watch platoon, seeing your peoples generational trauma in films on camera is a very intimate experience. Fantastic reaction
Damarcus Hamilton
2024-11-23 04:33:05 +0000 UTCThis is a rather powerful one for Hella to miss out on... and for us to miss her on.
S_Vive
2024-11-23 03:12:20 +0000 UTCYou should watch "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee". It's a sad movie with some war scenes. But it's historically accurate about the treatment of Native Americans.
Anthony Simmons
2024-11-23 02:54:51 +0000 UTCHe was a war criminal btw, but still a good quote.
Paul De'Armond
2024-11-23 01:18:29 +0000 UTCMight want to read up on the end of the Vietnam war a bit. The US withdrew after a ceasefire was signed between north and south Vietnam, although the fighting never completely stopped it ceased to be enough to really call it a war any longer. The Watergate scandal happened later, and it was Nixon's resignation that triggered a re-escalation in Vietnam. The north decided to test Ford's resolve and launched a new full scale invasion hoping that the new president would be unwilling to re-commit American troops to a conflict that had become extremely unpopular. In response Ford did..... nothing. There were no American troops there to fight this time, other then a few advisors, and the South fell in a matter of months. There was nothing to hold onto because the US was largely uninvolved in the final phase of the war. There was also no danger of escalation to another World War. Unlike in Korea the US never attempted to retaliate by invading the North and toppling the communist regime, preferring to simply try to bomb them into giving up on the war. Since there was no attempt to expand the territory held by western friendly governments in SE Asia China and the USSR weren't going to get more involved then they already were.
Ryan Alexander
2024-11-23 00:44:03 +0000 UTCGlad to see they decided to watch this. One of the best war movies out there when it comes to focusing on the soldiers who fight the battles as opposed to the larger picture that doesn't make much difference to the men on the front lines once the shooting starts. Ive been recommending "We Were Soldiers" every time a movie about the Vietnam war shows up here. Really wanted to see how it would effect a Vietnamese audience. Certainly cant blame the ladies for cheering on their home team, and of course they were very respectful about it. Dont know if my repeated recommendations played any part in the decision to watch this movie, but if it did, sorry for putting you through that, i know its a tough watch, but well worth it.
Ryan Alexander
2024-11-23 00:24:22 +0000 UTCI'm hoping for a reaction to 'Heaven & Earth' (1993), it is from the perspective of a Vietnamese woman so your reactions will be very interesting.
S M
2024-11-23 00:00:13 +0000 UTCAnother good movie about the conflict between Vietnam and the USA is "Good Morning Vietnam". It's loosely based on the true story of an American Military Radio disc jockey played by Robin Williams (Mrs. Doubtfire) based in Vietnam during the war. Of course it's still a war movie and depicts some of the harsh realities of war, but is a comedy and much more lighthearted in nature, while being fairly true to history of the conflict.
David Collins
2024-11-22 23:55:25 +0000 UTCIt's thanks to people like Joe Galloway who majorly contributed to America withdrawing from Vietnam. There were also serious political pressures, and the Watergate scandal of course, but the American people's resistance to the war was made stronger with first hand pictures and reporting of the horrors they saw. I hate to think what would have happened if our Gov't had decided to hold out for another few months, it could have ended up starting WWIII. Now Vietnam and the U.S. are becoming allies to fight against Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea.
Brett Norman
2024-11-22 23:51:54 +0000 UTCWhen Chi breaks down, i can't 😭😭😭😭 War is such a terrible thing. Sympathy for both sides. This was my first time watching this as well 😭😭😭
Daryl
2024-11-22 23:25:30 +0000 UTCWhen Chi starts to shed tears, you know the movie is going to hit hard. Very emotional reaction ladies, and I agree with your words at the end 100%, that was a very good reaction!💜
Digitalversager
2024-11-22 22:56:46 +0000 UTC“All the greatest things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.” & “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” ~ Winston Churchill
Proto Type
2024-11-22 20:01:29 +0000 UTC
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