Attack on Titan 4x28
Added 2024-06-07 22:10:27 +0000 UTCAn now, the end is near...
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I’m reading into this too much so I’m sorry for the ramble. I found the social-political group that was advocating for the subjects of Ymir in this episode interesting. I view it as both a group that kept in line with Marley’s politics as well as an example of early progressive ideas. Generally, the societies of the world hated Eldians. We heard Udo talk in episode 2 about how the views of Eldians and the internment camps abroad in other countries were worse than the ones in Marley. So you have this political group in Marley that’s pushing for societal reform for subjects of Ymir, people with Eldian blood who became so due to eugenic practices by the Eldian empire, rather than “true” Eldians like the ones in Paradis. Despite that rhetoric seeming dangerous for a society that is so entrenched in hating a race of people, the political movement is still convenient for Marley because it maintains the lie of the island devils that unifies the world. At the same time, I also wonder if it isn’t a step towards social progress. In history, progressive ideas usually begin with many compromises. If you take abolitionism in the US in the early 1800s, their ideas are abhorrent by today’s standards, but radical and progressive to the point of social turmoil by the standards of the time. I think it’s no different here - you differentiate Eldians from Subjects of Ymir and you make a small step towards advocating for a group that’s looked down upon with prejudice by society. I wonder had the rumbling not happened, in 50-60 years time, if there would have been even more social progress towards normalizing civil rights for or even accepting Eldians into the modernizing society. Then again, progress paces less quickly than weapons, and Paradis Island may have been nuked before the first Eldian could get the right to vote. Sorry again for the ramble.
My Toasty Toast
2024-07-01 14:16:19 +0000 UTCWhat's your solution then?
Hippopi
2024-06-11 06:08:31 +0000 UTCThere are absolutely other options. There's always other options. Eren is well written but he is a horrible extremist.
FullHeart
2024-06-11 00:35:27 +0000 UTCno, he actually had only gotten relatively small glimpses into the future when he kissed historias hand and had only gotten full view of the future when he united together with Ymir and ascended to godhood essentially
Zer0
2024-06-08 17:37:57 +0000 UTCi think the song is absolutly perfect for when the titans are arriving at the cost, the lyrics are a bit hard to understand but they are basicaly: Ist das der zerstörer oder der schöpfer? Mit der glut der hasses schwnken wir die schwerter. Ist das unser schiksal oder unser wille? Wir werden kämpfern bis der heiße wind unsere flügel nimmt. In terms of lyrics of a song that is not spesificaly made for that scene it is almost spot on i think
Marc Schuster
2024-06-08 15:47:27 +0000 UTCHe hates him as a person. Not as a character. He literally says he thinks Eren is well written.
Erjon Sejdijaj
2024-06-08 13:24:02 +0000 UTCI don't get why you hate Eren so much. He's such a human character.
Hippopi
2024-06-08 11:01:53 +0000 UTCYou can criticise Eren for not "accepting Marley" as they are, but why would you accept someone who wants to kill you and everyone you love? There were only two choices here: Kill everyone who wants to kill you (aka the world), or let the world kill you and everyone you love.
Hippopi
2024-06-08 10:56:29 +0000 UTC39:25 it perfectly underlines the parallel, its THE epic theme from early season 1 and now marley is facing a sudden invasion from colossal titans, most of the people are in the exact place eren was back then
HAL
2024-06-08 07:58:02 +0000 UTC"You guys... Are neither soldiers nor warriors. You're psychotic mass-murderers who killed countless innocent people who never did anything wrong!" - Eren to Reiner and Berthold, Season 2 Episode 9
Hey Guys
2024-06-08 07:58:01 +0000 UTC31:35 that kinda opens up the hypothetical possibility that he could ahve wiped out the entire rest of the world then rebuilt the walls wiped everyones memories threatened hte ackermanns to shut up or kill them and say "hey, 100 years ago titans appeared and we fled into these walls but it seems they all disappeared so lets go explore the mysterious outside world"
HAL
2024-06-08 07:47:21 +0000 UTC29:45 a few people theorize that but last time he touched her hand it kidnof exploded his brain so it seems unlikely
HAL
2024-06-08 07:43:04 +0000 UTC27:40 or she wanted to set them free because they were caged like cattle
HAL
2024-06-08 07:41:09 +0000 UTC25:30 whatever mikasa would ahve said it would have been what she said so whatever she would have said it would have matched up with what eren remembered from teh future thus confirming to him that the future he saw was true
HAL
2024-06-08 07:37:36 +0000 UTCnot sure if deterministic time travel is truly deterministic it might just be that alternate timelines settle into some stable state that we see as deterministic thats kinda how a bootstrap paradox can make sense
HAL
2024-06-08 07:29:08 +0000 UTC17:30 most of the future memories opened to him when he kissed historias hand at the end of season 3 but he may have had individual little flashes before then
HAL
2024-06-08 07:26:10 +0000 UTCWhat you mentioned about the Jean flashback not being "teased" enough, that's because this episode in the manga was placed immediately after the start of the rumbling in s4e21. It's used to mark the start of the new arc and as a way to kinda wrap up what came before. That would make sense if s4 ended with e21 and s5 started here (which is what I think they should've done), but it wouldn't have really made sense in a continuous season like this. So they instead placed it at the end of the season. Which also makes sense, it just makes that jean flashback look a bit out of place. Also, that would mean that you would've seen the rumbling arrive at Marley before the scene in s4e26 where Hange and co consider where the rumbling might already have reached. Another fun thing from the Director's notes from season 4, originally the scene of the rumbling arriving was a bit more truncated in the storyboards, but Isayama specifically requested them to allocate more time into it. He said (paraphrased): "Frame it in such a way that would make the audience cheer for Eren, but then make them wonder 'wait, why am I cheering for this?'"
Erjon Sejdijaj
2024-06-08 07:16:00 +0000 UTC8:05 he has seen the future and every single detail he sees that lines up with the future he saw confirms to him that the rest of that future was probably accurate too
HAL
2024-06-08 06:06:41 +0000 UTCat that point in the story if you see it unspoiled it comes across more as a non-serious hype speach he needs to go berserk on her same as when in episode 2 he says "I'm going ot kill every last one of them" he never clarifies who he means by "they" - we assume its titans but it could as well be anyone or anything attacking them or anyone/anything outside the walls
HAL
2024-06-08 06:02:14 +0000 UTC5:10 but it made us overlook how fundamentally hateful eren was
HAL
2024-06-08 05:58:19 +0000 UTC0:40 thematic discussions of the character arcs and full story could get interesting, there'S so many different meanings people read into this
HAL
2024-06-08 05:53:58 +0000 UTCIST DAS DER ZERSTÖÖÖRER especially for german speakers sthsi show is a compeltely new rewatch if you've read the lyrics of the big osts
HAL
2024-06-08 05:51:45 +0000 UTCReaccuring themes. The most obvious would be that the thematic main soundtrack of season 1 "Attack Titan" peaks at this moment. It was set up in season 1 when Eren told he wanted to wipe out everything(there we thought it was only titans) -> now it came back directly after the scared soldier saw Eren and said "The Attack titan". The soundtracks first chords were used for "armored titan" in episode 2 but the lyrics already foreshadow another creator or destroyer(lyrics) of the world. There are loads of comparisonvideos on how they even perfectly resemble the Attack on Shiganshina through Eren's Rumbling so visually and musically this moment was always decided and foreshadowed. Another hint would be the little Eldian Kid that stole Sashas purse. They animated the scene just like Ymir when she was accused of letting the pig out.
tris273
2024-06-08 03:05:12 +0000 UTCThe shot of the colossal titan rising and stomping is basically a carbon copy of the shot sequence of Bertholdt’s colossal titan rising and appearing in EP 1. Its a cool and tragic call back
skitalks
2024-06-08 02:36:27 +0000 UTCthe lyrics on that part says "is that the destroyer? or is the creator?" so i think it fits well with the context
Kabutsuji
2024-06-08 01:14:20 +0000 UTCOkay well let me clear it up. Eren was able to test possibilities within his limited view of the foggy future that was itself constrained by his nature and the decisions he already made along the way. However this still means his choices were shackled to his fundamental nature in the end. Which is still him being constrained to a deterministic future. For Eren to have chosen something different would mean that he would have to be someone he was not in the end. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/arts/television/attack-on-titan.html NYT Reporter: "Eren says in the final episode of the anime that he had no choice but to follow the future that he saw, that he was powerless against the powers of the Founding Titan. Armin even asks if he’s really free. Was he telling the truth or do you see this as him telling an excuse?" Hajime Isayam: "So the truth is the situation with Eren actually overlaps in a certain sense with my own story with this manga. When I first started this series, I was worried that it would probably be canceled. It was a work that no one knew about. But I had already started the story with the ending in mind. And the story ended up being read and watched by an incredible number of people, and it led to me being given a huge power that I didn’t quite feel comfortable with. It would have been nice if I could have changed the ending. Writing manga is supposed to be freeing. But if I was completely free, then I should have been able to change the ending. I could have changed it and said I wanted to go in a different direction. But the fact is that I was tied down to what I had originally envisioned when I was young. And so, manga became a very restrictive art form for me, similar to how the massive powers that Eren acquired ended up restricting him."
Drift3r
2024-06-08 00:05:58 +0000 UTC🌈✨ foreshadowing 🌈✨
puremetalcore
2024-06-08 00:01:36 +0000 UTCWhen Eren fights Annie in last episode "wall" in s1 he said "I will destroy the entire world", but when we see it first we don't pay attention I guess, because we remember he wasn't in full control with his Titan.
puremetalcore
2024-06-08 00:00:17 +0000 UTCThis is incorrect. Eren didn’t get some crazy time traveling abilities to test out 1000’s of futures like he’s Dr. Strange. He knew one future and what it would hold, and every step of the way was too scared to deviate from that path. Eren could have chosen a different path and it very well could have ended up a much better future. But he, by his own words, was too much of an idiot to think he’d be successful, so he went with the one he knows that included genocide anyway.
Kevin
2024-06-07 23:54:47 +0000 UTCEren has figured out, because he played with the possible outcomes, that he can't save his family and the world at the same time. A world that wants to exterminate his people merely for being Eldians and so it didn't allow him that choice. Thus he has come to the conclusion, no matter how terrible, the best he can do is provide his friends and family long happy lives because he has zero choice in the matter. So he willingly becomes the instrument of the world's destruction to select the least shitty outcome given how he feels about his family. As for Floch he is following his world view, "If I can bring back the devil that must be my mission in life!...The only one who can lay waste to the Titans...is a devil". In this case the threat posed by the Titans morphed into the threat posed by the humanity outside of Paradis. Humanity that saw them all as "the spawns of the devil". Hence him siding with Eren, or maybe Eren siding with him, was also inevitable. Meaning they both really wanted to preserve the people of Paradis over everyone else.
Drift3r
2024-06-07 23:48:35 +0000 UTC♫ And so I face the final curtain~ ♫
Jack
2024-06-07 23:00:39 +0000 UTC“What would have been”. What an amazing question!
Don Pham
2024-06-07 22:30:55 +0000 UTC
