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Attack on Titan 4x23 [uncensored]

You get the cursing uncensored, I think I went a bit too far :D

Attack on Titan 4x23 [uncensored]

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Physicist: watches AOT, gives deep interpretation of the show and the themes. Also Physicist: the revelation of the show is that Pieck is really a car LOL she really is with the headlights and everything she is so cool !

mgrizzlee

18:28 at this point the yeagerists were in control of the whole place, it would be basically 5 people(our main crew) against all of them, so jean couldn’t simply arrest Floch(that was the “leader” of the yeagerists)

Kabutsuji

I love that the show has planted the seeds of xenophobia even way back in the beginning because there is a fear of the outside world and everything outside the walls is monsters and that viewpoint didn’t change for many Eldians in Paradis after the basement reveal. And now Paradis is slowly moving towards what Marley is (which I’m sure Marley became what the Eldian Empire was before it), and you’re slowly seeing the same fanaticism and supremacy creeping up in the forefront of its citizens and military to the point where our main characters are slightly rocked and have to think on where they stand. I think the story is showing where fear leads to xenophobia which leads to fascist/authoritarian regimes. And what’s uncomfortable about it is that it originates from a human place and human feelings that we, as the audience, connected with (s1-s3), and for me that’s brilliant writing.

My Toasty Toast

Do you think she can be both? Or is it too mutually exclusive?

My Toasty Toast

Everyone in Shiganshina were either yeagerists/voulentiers in power or civilians/military imprisoned in the first place, so of course there are several yeagerists left, the majority even. Jean and the gang would then have been seen in a positive light after they ended up helping Eren. The only reason they were fighting alongside each other earlier was because it was against their commom "enemy", pure titans. Beyond that Jean has no real power here, especially since the other yeagerists probably ideolize Eren and by extention Floch as his right hand man. He's also entirely unsure about what to do in this situation in the first place. Hence being to some degree strung along by Floch. Killing mindless titans is a simple and straightforward solution to an immidiate problem they all face. Hence the simple and engaging music. It's honestly the only simple issue they've faced since s4 began, so of course it's unifying. It also goes to show how little is separating them, and that they don't necessarily have to be at each others throats.

Phthalo

I don't think Jean is slave to Marco/avenge Marco. "To be slave" to something for me is a weakness and this "something" is corrupting you. I imagine it like bad addiction. We remember when Jean decided to join scouts and we didn't think it as a weakness but his character development in a good way.

puremetalcore

I just realized you didn't see OVA"Sudden visitor" 😲!!! it's episode about Jean and it could be even heartwarming to watch it after recent episode 4×22

puremetalcore

Dark topic, but just curious if you have an opinion on this. I’ve seen many AoT reactions, and there is a significant amount of reactors and commenters that think Annie forgiving her father and wanting to get back to him is sad and a mistake. Often saying things such as, “He is an abuser for 99% of her life, and he apologizes right at the end? He should die in hell, Annie is a brainwashed victim and it’s so sad she’s even brainwashed into forgive him.” On my first watch I had the opposite sentiment. I saw it as an extreme form of maturity of Annie that she recognized her father is just a person who was trying to make it in a shitty world, and he did horrible things, but so did she. And that even people who do horrible things can change, so she does indeed want to get back to him. I saw it as a very extreme and dramatic way of demonstrating the pivotal moment that every child/teenager goes through when they realize their parents aren’t perfect, and are just people too. Do you lean one way or the other? Is Annie an abuse victim making a mistake, or a child matured and understanding her father?

Kevin

I think you talk about cognitive dissonance and how people manage this feeling. Not sure if Floch had discomfort about what he is doing, because it doesn't look like that he had problemls to justify his actions. But I can imagine now that this feeling currently present for Mikasa, Armin, Conny, Jean who were protecting Eren to not be killed by Cart and Magath to carry Zeke plan and now Eren's plan is not much better. Everyone from them currently are trying to "justify" their actions to help Eren just to keep leaving. I like how on the roof they were all with different thoughts about what just Eren said them and I like that Jean looks agreed and Armin is not, Conny has own agenda and Mikasa is just lost. It is realistic.

puremetalcore

I remember from this episode I literally got depressed -_- and I felt frustration, felt bad for them that everything end up this way, I can't even imagine what even to do at this point if I was in their place. Floch💀. I just wanted someone punch him in the face, at this point I hated him more than Yelena even if they both kinda the same. Yelena is creepy, the way Floch acts gives me headache. I understand their point but I can't agree with the reason they give.

puremetalcore

Jean Used to just want to live a good Life in The interior district as military Police, we only wanted to live a comfortable life and refuse to aknowledge others sorrow and the reality of the world. All of that before Marco died, of course! That past, put totgether with the fact that Jean, as well as All the other survivors(Mikasa, Armin, Connie), have way too much mindfuck since the walls crumbled(Who can blame them? They put all their trust in Eren and are still in denial about what he is doing just now), makes him seriously second guess about whether it would be just better to join the yeagerists and get the live he allways wanted. Thats also the reason as to why he isn't acting against Floch (Physically at least). He is totally unsure about what to do, and I really love that, he is just human after all and the hole situation has already gotten over their heads ten fold

Fucsiada

PANJI TIME

HAL

I mean the marleyans stranded on paradis are for now safer than they'd be outside, tryign to go undercover on pradis seems... more doable than surviving the wall titans

HAL

The cursing was totally justified, I hated the character Floch turned out to be, but a necessary one to say the least!

Fucsiada

floch gets to be second in command in a dictatorship, to someone whos into that that justifies anything

HAL

I think what wasn't clear is that I think most of the military that wasn't Jaegerist was either eaten by titans that were being controlled by Zeke, or turned into them. The Jaegerists were organized to expect that outcome, and it's possible Zeke had the titans avoid targeting them while he was in control of them. In the end I think Jean + Armin + Mikasa were collaborating to fend off Marley and so are being treated as though they are Jaegerist. I suspect Floch can't see why anyone in their right mind would oppose the Jaegerist faction now that Eren has become a god (or demon) and gone to destroy all their enemies, taking the role that Floch had wanted to bring Erwin back to life for.

Anna Kyruin

Regarding what Jean is a slave to: I think saying he is a slave to avenging Marco is not exactly correct, he's a slave to living up to how Marco saw him. Namely he feels he must live up to being a person who can "do what must be done". It's the reason he joined the scouts, it's the reason he attacked Annie from horseback, etc. It's the reason for every time he ignored his cowardly self serving nature and acted heroically.

Anna Kyruin

Yellena was never a Yeagerist. She lead the volunteers and she 100% supported Zeke's plan. She is a absolute Zeke groupie. Also when Floch tells Jean to, "Go back to being the old Jean" it's in reference to his desire to seek comfort and safety. This guy does a wonderful job analyzing Jean's character. "Jean is not a horse" https://youtu.be/Wtuyy15wCa8 As for Floch well. Consider how much he has evolved as a character that could of easily been a throw away non-protagonist. Oh and....👑KING FLOCH 👑 did nothing wrong. 😝

Drift3r


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