Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x19 FULL Reaction
Added 2025-01-02 12:27:37 +0000 UTC
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Nick, you completely summed up season 6 - nothing good can stay long, happiness is only temporary and ephemeral. It's is definitely the most brutal and devastating season of Buffy (and that's even given that season 5 had both Joyce AND Buffy's deaths). This episode is absolutely soul crushing every time I see it. Hang in there.
Helena Briner-Ellis
2025-02-06 04:16:31 +0000 UTCThe figurine that Buffy was looking at in the beginning was of Vampirella, a comic book from the '70's.
thompur
2025-01-25 17:33:51 +0000 UTCTara getting shot... it still brings out this visceral anger in me I didn't know was there. NOT Tara. That's all I could think. Tara is everything Nick said and more. Her character is so beloved by most of the Fandom. This moment still doesn't feel real. Get 'em Willow!! 😡
Will3000
2025-01-23 19:31:24 +0000 UTCI see you finally made it to this one. I actually contemplated messaging you and telling you that you may want some kind of warning or something... but doing so without spoilers didn't seem possible so I figured you'd get to it soon enough. James has it in his contract that he will never do another scene like that again. I can't even imagine them shooting this scene, given they often have to shoot aspects of scenes several times over for whatever reason.
fatalfae
2025-01-23 18:59:26 +0000 UTCwhat i meant there was that the Scoobies, the good guys, generally make the right choices, unlike Warren or Drusilla, and they do not flip-flop between some good stuff and putting people in hospital or worse every other day, like Faith or Spike. I did not mean that Buffy, Tara, Joyce and Giles never hurt anyone. They do. But they generally try their best to fix things and to do better. Willow almost hurts Oz through magic after he cheated on her, but stops herself. She works hard to restore Angel's soul. She's supportive and honest with her friends. She risks her life often to help Buffy. She does not walk around town trying to rob people or force men to sleep with her, like Warren does. That was my point. If you want to bring up her flaws, might as well go buy a tennis racket, we could trade examples all week about all the wrong choices all the characters made, but their driving choice ,before Tara's death at least, is to do good.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-12 02:37:19 +0000 UTCHaven't read everything, but this stuck out to me: "But good guys like Willow, Buffy, Tara or Joyce or Giles embrace their awkward sides as well as their strengths and they don't choose the route of hurting others just to prove how non-pathetic they are." I would agree with Buffy/Tara and probably Joyce and Giles, but Willow? Willow's actions hurt other people many, many times. I agree with your Spike/Buffy comments though. Violent sex was very explicitely seen to be the norm for them and it's a fine line to walk for sure.
Christina Gmiterko
2025-01-12 02:00:50 +0000 UTCTHAT scene. Allegedly, it was suggested by a writer who had similar experience with the genders reversed. A person trying to rekindle the relationship by forcing herself on her ex. The bathroom was never before a place where any fight ever happened, every other part of the house had seen some extreme events but the bathroom, never. Generally, most humans feel most vulnerable in the bathroom out of all places in a house. The issue for critics seems to be that Buffy being sexuaIIy assauIted is only used to give Spike motivation and development. It is not developing her and/or her own story.We get flashbacks that the evil guy is experiencing, but nothing about her, no flashbacks and no work on healing for Buffy. Yup, we see what Spike wanted to do immediately after he assumed his chip stopped working - he went to murder an innocent woman. He's a seriaI kiIIer, happy to kiII a random woman in this very season. It's only fair to compare it to the scene where they ended up together for the first time, after trading literal punches. He knows he can keep hitting her and she will kiss him anyway. When she was invisible, she went down on him despite him saying No. They never had boundaries, they never talked about consent. .............................................. Yeah, there are hints at Andrew being gay, including this episode, and the posibility that he is in love with Warren, which was finally confirmed here after the arrest. When watching Spike and Anya, he expresses admiration for Spike and then timidly adds as an afterthought "the chick's pretty hot, too". ..................... Pathetic people ... yup, Warren is pathetic. These 3 stooges keep referencing Star Trek and missing that Start Trek is against their own values. They seem to like Star Wars and miss that Star Wars is about fighting space nazis with values of the three of them. How the heck does Andrew say that Warren is Picard in this episode? They are annoyingly inconsistent by forgetting they're the villains in their own favorite franchises. Spike was seen as pathetic by his peers when he was human. Angel - as the Irish human Liam was pathetic. AdoIf HitIer was mistreated harshly by his father. Who isn't pathetic, at the end of the day? But good guys like Willow, Buffy, Tara or Joyce or Giles embrace their awkward sides as well as their strengths and they don't choose the route of hurting others just to prove how non-pathetic they are. .......................... Nick: I wonder who's gonna be this season's villain Also Nick: Torture him forever, Willow! Bully an underage innocent child! ... we all turn into the villain Buffy never can be. The fans are the villains now. Nick is the villain of s6, who wants to "bully more" an underage teen or a kid. When Warren kills Tara, we want to throw out any ethical choices and codes Buffy has lived by. Buffy cannot stake humans. As Willow explains to Cordelia in season 1, that would be fascism.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-06 00:24:58 +0000 UTCi agree that Warren the grownup deserves a harsh punishment for raping/attempting to rape women, and for killing people. I don't agree that underage teenage Warren should have "been bullied even more" . it's disappointing to hear such BS, it's illogical and cruel. I cannot condone bullying, sorry.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-05 23:55:15 +0000 UTChonestly it's hard to even begin to imagine any of my colleagues with whom i've gotten along well, to have to physically lie under me and scream and cry as a part of our job. I've done lots of fun skits on semi-professional stages in my life, but never one where the other actor had to act out being scared of me and beg me to stop. I cannot quite imagine myself not stopping when someone convincingly begs me, even with tons of cameras pointed at me. Depending on what James Marsters had experienced in personal life before, this could have been devastating.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-05 22:58:41 +0000 UTCNever wanted to sleep with a serial killer...he almost married one. He got with Anya very quickly after she became human, unwillingly, in H.S. She had just slaughtered men for thousands of years when they hooked up.
JennaB
2025-01-05 22:55:37 +0000 UTCtrue. he also truly loved Drusilla and he had no problem trying to make her love him by force.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-04 23:46:02 +0000 UTCit's always interesting to me when people seem surprised by spike's actions in this episode. everytime spike and buffy are intimate, they are extremely aggressive with each other. the first time they have sex, they are beating the sh-t out of each other so much that they managed to destroy an entire building and make it collapse. the only reason this incident seemed worse is because buffy stopped him this time. spike is still a soulless vampire and this episode needed to remind the audience of that. while some people may find his actions in this episode shocking, it was completely consistent with the way his character has been this entire season. this isn't the first time he's aggressively forced himself on buffy.
cil
2025-01-04 20:51:36 +0000 UTCIf you've been watching Nick long enough, I would think you would be able to tell what his moral compass is like in real life and that he would not in any way advocate for a child to be bullied. Part of reacting to shows, or even just being a viewer, is being able to set aside some of your real life morality. Not everybody views fictional shows that way but everybody should be able to understand that there are others who do and not judge their character for it.
JennaB
2025-01-03 22:55:58 +0000 UTCRaven Dark i hope you're right, otherwise i wonder what will Nick say when kids from his family get bullied and someone tells him they should get bullied even MORE because of what they will do in the future...
Viera Galikova
2025-01-03 15:41:23 +0000 UTCWait, I know this one. Jokes are defense mechanisms for people who have not yet realized and accepted that they are clearly wrong, or evil. Sometimes the bait is too good to pass up on. Is it bait, though? My thick brain still can't tell.
Ian Ramsey
2025-01-03 05:50:46 +0000 UTCOh It's so on!!
Midnight Crypt Worx
2025-01-03 03:18:04 +0000 UTCLiterally. Warren is a rapist and a murderer. He deserved to die an awful death. Unfortunately, Willow lost a piece of herself in the process.
Tyler Ward
2025-01-02 23:34:53 +0000 UTCOh god…. I am unwell. This episode is such an awful way to start the New Year. 😭😂
Tyler Ward
2025-01-02 23:32:11 +0000 UTCim right there with you king. warren is the WORST
Liam
2025-01-02 20:58:04 +0000 UTCThis episode. One of the hardest & most shocking watches of my life. S6 is so interesting with the villains being human. I think Buffy does underestimate them & she certainly has more faith in the justice system to handle them than I do. But in one moment Warren probably does more harm and damage than any of the evil she’s come up against before. He’s rotten to the core with a soul. Spike & Buffy have always been so toxic. Xander does make a great point - people forget how dangerous Spike is (fans & characters) & I think this episode the writers really wanted to remind us that despite his chip Spike is still bad. He’s still a demon. Can’t wait for you to finish Season 6 Nick. It’s a journey that’s for sure.
Jamie
2025-01-02 20:42:03 +0000 UTCGreat reaction and analysis!
John Schone
2025-01-02 20:31:44 +0000 UTCYeah this was clearly not actually what he thinks. Remember that Warren is fictional and Nick is not. 😂
John Schone
2025-01-02 20:29:31 +0000 UTCThis reaction was priceless ! The look on your face was the exact look I had when I first watched it. It was so satisfying to relive it through you.
Kristen Rose
2025-01-02 18:55:38 +0000 UTCNick is joking. He's using hyperbole. It's the same sort of thing he was doing when he calls Principle Snider 'my prince.' I was bullied too, so I get it. But it's meant to be a joke.
Raven Dark
2025-01-02 17:55:22 +0000 UTC*Spike doesn't need the chip out of his head to kill Buffy. The chip doesn't work with her. He can punch her without feeling pain in his head. So he can probably easily kill her. Spike definitely did love Drusilla ... and how did he treat her?
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 17:10:06 +0000 UTCJoseph Waldscmidt Warren was underage minor when he was bullied, he said high school 5th period. Nick said that as an underage minor he should have gotten bullied more, so in the name of all underage minors who are/were bullied, i disagree and i am on the side of the Good.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 17:01:42 +0000 UTCWho’s the underage minor at this point? With the exception of dawn they’re all in their early 20s or older. Kinda part of the theme of this season…they’re no longer kids…you grow up and sometimes being an adult sucks.
Joseph Waldschmidt
2025-01-02 16:42:32 +0000 UTCKelsey Cook well,and I feel like you need to calm down and so does Nick. It is not justified to bully an underage minor. Or to torture someone forever - only seriously messed up religious people advocate for that.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 16:17:48 +0000 UTCI feel like you need to calm down. Nick is absolutely justified in being upset at Warren. He’s a murderer and all around awful human being who took good souls from this world. People are bullied all of the time and don’t do what he did. He was always going to turn out this way.
Kelsey Cook
2025-01-02 16:15:40 +0000 UTCYou should look up James Marsters interviews, I think in particular with Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor on Smallville). Marsters had to go to therapy over the rape scene and now has in his acting contracts to never have a scene like that again it affected him so much. And yeah. Buckle up for the rest of the season. It goes dark. Remember the shock of it on my first viewing when it aired. It’s dark and shocking but VERY good few episodes coming up. Probably one of my favorite stretches of tv shows on how well they pull it off. Surprise big villain. High stakes. Surprise heroes and appearances. But brace yourself
Joseph Waldschmidt
2025-01-02 16:00:18 +0000 UTCJames Masters needed therapy after being forced to do that scene. 🥺
Ariana807
2025-01-02 15:50:37 +0000 UTCjust watch the opening credits.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 15:43:08 +0000 UTCI missed too!! What it is?
Sofía Reyes
2025-01-02 15:22:26 +0000 UTCErika Xander says he understands Anya. He feels heartbroken right now by Anya, so he can likely relate to wanting meaningless sex himself. He has been rejected before, so he can imagine how Anya feels after he rejected her. But he cannot understand Buffy. He never wanted to sleep with a serial killer no matter how depressed he was. And also, like Willow, he feels sad that Buffy was hiding it from her friends. As for whether he doesn't allow mistakes on Buffy's part, I'm not sure if that is how he feels. It's more that he doesn't allow her to fail his projections. He pushed her to run after Riley in s5, even though that was a mistake, but in his eyes, it was right.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 15:17:52 +0000 UTCBuffy cannot stake humans. As Willow explains to Cordelia in season 1, that would be fascism. Nick: I wonder who's gonna be this season's villain Also Nick: Torture him forever, Willow! Bully an underage innocent child! i'm happy a minor got bullied! You want an innocent kid to be bullied MORE just because of what the kid will do in the future? To make him perhaps even more cruel? If Warren was bullied LESS, and had family and friends like Buffy does, wouldn't he become a better person? I wonder who the real villain is ... A man yelling "let's bully an innocent underage minor more!!!" ... What about Tara being bullied, should she be bullied more than she was, back when Tara was just as innocent as Warren was as a kid? Should I just go out and start bullying people around me today, because maybe in the future they will be bad? Are you any better than him? What about Spike, should he be bullied more 200 years ago, or back when he was human? He killed tons of people and two innocent slayers.
Viera Galikova
2025-01-02 15:06:16 +0000 UTCNo!!! You missed the addition in the opening credits!
Joseph Waldschmidt
2025-01-02 15:05:08 +0000 UTCi’ll definitely have to edit this to add thoughts as i go: but you’re absolutely right. Xander is much angrier at Buffy than Anya. he has always idolized Buffy. he thinks she can do no wrong. like she’s supposed to be super moral because she’s super human. he doesn’t allow for “mistakes” when it comes to her. and i’m saying this as a character who loves Xander!! 😂 he can be super judgmental towards buffy.
Erika
2025-01-02 14:10:25 +0000 UTCNick staring at the opening credits but totally missing the change 🤦♀️
CeNedra
2025-01-02 13:34:01 +0000 UTCOh boy, here we go.
Cheryl Abbott
2025-01-02 13:10:58 +0000 UTCAhhh, here we go... One of the most traumatic episodes of BTVS ever. Between the issue with Spike, to Tara's.... I don't know what effected me more.
Lipaz
2025-01-02 12:57:37 +0000 UTCOh no it's this episode....
Drew Or Die
2025-01-02 12:53:37 +0000 UTC40 secs in and I'm cringing at Nicks hopes for Spike 🤨
CeNedra
2025-01-02 12:45:06 +0000 UTCHere we go...
CeNedra
2025-01-02 12:43:32 +0000 UTCIt was in a chat video after like season one or two. The odds of him remembering are zero to none but Im so excited.
Adri
2025-01-02 12:38:45 +0000 UTCI did say previously we would not have to wait long :) Oh and this, among many other reasons is why I hate Joss...
Hans Engelen
2025-01-02 12:32:40 +0000 UTCDo you remember asking forever ago who our favorite villain is? I said I couldn't say but you've already met them.
Adri
2025-01-02 12:30:25 +0000 UTC
