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Important post for Patrons about the Top Tens (Please read all the way to the end)

These top tens are the bane of my existence.

I might as well present the point of this message upfront: I'm going to split the Top Tens in two parts this year, just like I did the previous year, and I plan to charge for each part as a separate video. So the two Top Ten lists will count as four episodes for Patreon purposes.


"What? That's bullshit!" Don't worry: If you don't want to pay for four episodes, you absolutely do not have to! Patreon lets you set a cap to the amount of episodes you want to pay for per month. If you only want to cap your patronage at three, two or even one episode a month (just for one month, or for every month) that's entirely your prerogative. How much you pay is entirely up to you.


But as for this being bullshit... yeah, I kind of agree. Believe me, I'm not thrilled about it, especially because a couple people asked me if I was going to do so and I said I wouldn't. I don't like going back on my word, especially as I released a previous Top Ten list on Patreon without charging twice.


But that was back when I was still getting money from Blip. Due to Blip's closure and my continued headache with Maker, Patreon is now my only source of income from my online life. I hate talking about the money aspect of what I do with fans, but as much as I truly enjoy this work, this is still my job. These top tens are twice the length and three times the work of a regular video. I hate doing them. (I also love doing them.) Rest assured that I have no interest in half-assing them, but at this point in my career, I also don't want to starve for my art. (feel free to add scare quotes around "career" and "art")


And to make it up to you guys, I have plans to add some special Patreon exclusives. You guys are the best and I can't thank you guys enough.


--Todd "In the Shadows" Nathanson

Comments

With all the content you already made I don't mind something this minor one bit. And that whole twitch thing just sucks.

Flamie

I just subbed in advance of the Top 10 lists for the year. I've pretty much delved the archives and got so much fun out of it that I figured it was my turn to pony up some cash. Rock on, you shadowy figure.

as long as their not released apart its all good

I was introduced to your videos around two years ago now and they have completely changed my life. My standards are naturally low, but your reviews were my first encounter with critics and criticism, and it has totally upended my way of thinking about entertainment. I really appreciate the difference between good and bad in a new way and I have you to thank for it.I'm kind of going on and on, but the point here is that I love your videos and if you need me to pay double to make ends meet I will do it gladly. Keep up all the good work!

Thanks for the heads up, Todd! I have absolutely no qualms with it, but its nice to see that you're concerned about your fans. I think I speak for most of your fans that agree that we have no problem paying for the content we consume; its your job you SHOULD be paid for it. Happy New Year!

Kamiki Kitsune

As a brand new Patreon but some one whose been watching for years (hurray for a promotion that took effect Jan 1st that allows me a little extra money to support content I love) I'm just really happy to hear you're doing the top 10s at all. I was just talking with my Fiance yesterday about how much work those must be and I was concerned that you'd finally decide that they weren't worth the trouble when they are easily among my favorite videos of anyone's, let alone of yours, on the internet, especially for rewatching them years later to take a nostalgic trip back to the year in question, if only for a half hour.

No problem, man - I'd rather just make you have enough money to get by! Besides, the top 10 videos are typically about double the length of a regular review, so when it comes to $$ per minute it's basically the same. :)

I understand the need to explain this, at least from your perspective, but I think most of your fans agree that making money so that you can sustain a living (and feed that Kali that is too small, perhaps if you feed her more, she will grow?) is more important than a couple of bucks out of our pockets for a service that we want. After all, you never forced anyone to support you on Patreon. Or maybe you did and you're a horrible person, we'll never know.

I've been slowly putting my stuff back up on Channel Awesome. From now on, make that your one-stop shop for all things Todd.

Todd in the Shadows

I get my money's worth with every video you release, so I can't complain in the slightest

Honestly, what annoys me about splitting the lists up isn't the money at all, it's the need to track down both versions of the list should I want to watch it again in the future. It's actually kinda hard to find a full set of your 2014 lists online and that was only last year. I don't mind if you divide the lists in two for the reasons you gave, Todd, but once it's all over and the Patreon triggers have fired, do you think you could put out a combined version of the lists for those of us who want the whole thing in the future?

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm sure this year's top tens will be well worth it!

Hey, no worries. Thanks for the headsup! I modified my pledge, but it was so I could cover all 4-- Happy New Year Todd.

Zachary McAnally

Todd so greedy, wanting to earn enough to live. PFfft. :p It's fine dude, as long as the top 10s keep flowing.

Jaszon Alexzander

You are the king of the Top 10s. $20 for each is worth it. Baby, it's worth it...give it to me, it's worth it. Wonder if they'll make the list?

I always look forward to your year-end top tens Todd, I don't care if its in two parts. Happy New Year :D

I love your videos whether they come in one or two parts. Thanks for the entertainment!

1) Some of my fav vids to look forward too each year. 2) Being upfront about it goes a long way.

1) Some of my fav vids to look forward too each year. 2) Being upfront about it goes a long way. Looking forward to the vids, cheers.

Their my favourite videos of the year so I don't mind at all

alls fair. You gotta eat man. We're not gonna give you trouble for that. It sucks that blip went down and left you guys holding the bag. I hope you can keep yourself going with Patreon and get a more stable situation. looking forward to those top 10s, however they get to us :)

I certainly don't mind, but I do aprichiate the heads up. I really enjoying hearing about your top favorite songs, so I'm always looking forwards to them. Also, starving for ones art is highly overhyped, and I tottaly understand that you don't want to go there.

Miriam

Don't worry about it, we understand. The year end lists are the highlight of the year so it's totally worth it 👍🏻

Kylie

No worries, really looking forward to them.

I love hearing you talk about the music you actually like, and I get that this is how you support yourself, so I'm doubly ok with this for the top 10 best list. And ok, I also like the schadenfreude of the bottom 10 as well, but you've said in the past that you don't think most people even like it when you say positive stuff, so I want to specifically give some love to the top 10 vids.

Bradley Smith

No worries, I'll gladly support all four

I personally look forward to the Top Tens all year so it's totally worth it for me!

Kaye

I'm a brand new patron, so maybe my view is different, but I look forward to the Top 10 lists all year. I'm glad to be a Patron now and I'm looking forward to the videos.

Thanks for letting us know, Todd. It's understandable. Personally, I don't do this for exclusives or putting my name in the credits or any of that stuff, I do it because you're one of my favorite entertainers, I want you to be able to pay the bills, and I want you to be able to keep producing videos. I'll also add that I don't know what you mean by exclusives, but I do hope that you're not planning to start paywalling song reviews or OHW or anything like that. I have at least a few offline friends who enjoy your work and don't have the extra cash to put into Patreon, and I'd hate for them to start missing out on your work. Otherwise, thanks for making great videos for so long, and keep it up! I hope to see you complaining about how much of a pain Top Ten videos are for years to come.

Jacob Alys Rudolph

Lol, the amount of videos per month I capped you at just happens to be 4 videos. No problems from my end and thanks for the heads up and the info.

Then I guess you got at least 120 coming your way that month.

Josh Spicer

That's a totally reasonable decision, I'm happy to pay a little extra for all your extra work!

I appreciate the honesty, and given just how entertaining these top tens have always been for me, i'm glad to pay an extra few bucks

Adam Nelson

Just going to add to the list of people saying this is a fine decision by me, I know you have to pay the bills, and thanks for getting ahead of any potential problems by making it clear up front so people can adjust as necessary. As with several previous posters, I might also drop my normal cap for this month since it sounds like these really kill you.

Daniel Beckett

Understood. And this will just make me look forward to them more. Maybe even more detailed reasoning to each pick? I'm excited. P.S. I'm hoping Fight Song is the worst of this year ;)

Yvette

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! Seriously though, I don't mind this at all. It's not like you are breaking every video up in half. This is a once-a-year thing. And I really look forward to these videos.

Caleb Lee

Gotta pay the bills somehow man, it's all good, but thanks for the heads up.

Mitchell McIntyre

Thanks for the heads up! I just double checked I do have a cap set. I'm going to change it now so it will include all of the videos. I hope you get more support like Blip again soon. I recently found your videos & the top ten lists are gold! Looking forward to them :)

twice the length? twice the effort? I get to hear your voice...todd...sweety...stfu and TAKE MY MONEY!...its always worth it man XD

Basil Six Shooter

I hate talking about money in the context of my job, too. It makes me feel like a mercenary. But I have to earn a living, and so do you, and neither of us needs to be ashamed of that. I look forward to your top tens twice as much as your other videos, and I'm happy to pay twice as much for them.

Chiming in with everyone else about being good with you charging for each part of the top 10 lists. They're twice the length, extra work for you, and well worth the extra cost.

So long as you thoroughly mock at least one pompous pop star (more would be good but I'll try not be greedy) then I'm fine with however you organize the videos.

Kim Huett

Thank you for all your work Todd, happy to contribute a little extra this month, your top tens are one of my favorite parts of New Years.

Deanna Banana

I respect the honesty. I currently have my pledges capped at 2, but I think I might uncap that for January. If I think I can afford it.

It'll totally be worth the end product; your lists are one of the biggest highlights of the new year for me. In fact, I'm going to remove my cap for this month (it's usually set to 3) to show my appreciation. Looking forward to the end result!

Owen W

You're worth it Todd!

Makes sense to me. More work and hours put in requires more cash. It's more of your time being dedicated to these videos so I dont mind. Good luck compiling it all together this year, I'm looking forward to your lists as always!

As someone who has felt for the past few years that the 'New Year' didn't begin until I got your lists, I'll be happy to support all four. Thanks for everything, Todd!


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