Important post for Patrons about the Top Tens (Please read all the way to the end)
Added 2015-12-31 03:45:00 +0000 UTCThese top tens are the bane of my existence.
I might as well present the point of this message upfront: I'm going to split the Top Tens in two parts this year, just like I did the previous year, and I plan to charge for each part as a separate video. So the two Top Ten lists will count as four episodes for Patreon purposes.
"What? That's bullshit!" Don't worry: If you don't want to pay for four episodes, you absolutely do not have to! Patreon lets you set a cap to the amount of episodes you want to pay for per month. If you only want to cap your patronage at three, two or even one episode a month (just for one month, or for every month) that's entirely your prerogative. How much you pay is entirely up to you.
But as for this being bullshit... yeah, I kind of agree. Believe me, I'm not thrilled about it, especially because a couple people asked me if I was going to do so and I said I wouldn't. I don't like going back on my word, especially as I released a previous Top Ten list on Patreon without charging twice.
But that was back when I was still getting money from Blip. Due to Blip's closure and my continued headache with Maker, Patreon is now my only source of income from my online life. I hate talking about the money aspect of what I do with fans, but as much as I truly enjoy this work, this is still my job. These top tens are twice the length and three times the work of a regular video. I hate doing them. (I also love doing them.) Rest assured that I have no interest in half-assing them, but at this point in my career, I also don't want to starve for my art. (feel free to add scare quotes around "career" and "art")
And to make it up to you guys, I have plans to add some special Patreon exclusives. You guys are the best and I can't thank you guys enough.
--Todd "In the Shadows" Nathanson
Comments
With all the content you already made I don't mind something this minor one bit. And that whole twitch thing just sucks.
Flamie
2016-01-28 10:36:32 +0000 UTCI just subbed in advance of the Top 10 lists for the year. I've pretty much delved the archives and got so much fun out of it that I figured it was my turn to pony up some cash. Rock on, you shadowy figure.
2016-01-08 01:59:18 +0000 UTCas long as their not released apart its all good
2016-01-07 21:45:49 +0000 UTCI was introduced to your videos around two years ago now and they have completely changed my life. My standards are naturally low, but your reviews were my first encounter with critics and criticism, and it has totally upended my way of thinking about entertainment. I really appreciate the difference between good and bad in a new way and I have you to thank for it.I'm kind of going on and on, but the point here is that I love your videos and if you need me to pay double to make ends meet I will do it gladly. Keep up all the good work!
2016-01-07 00:25:48 +0000 UTCThanks for the heads up, Todd! I have absolutely no qualms with it, but its nice to see that you're concerned about your fans. I think I speak for most of your fans that agree that we have no problem paying for the content we consume; its your job you SHOULD be paid for it. Happy New Year!
Kamiki Kitsune
2016-01-04 15:18:57 +0000 UTCAs a brand new Patreon but some one whose been watching for years (hurray for a promotion that took effect Jan 1st that allows me a little extra money to support content I love) I'm just really happy to hear you're doing the top 10s at all. I was just talking with my Fiance yesterday about how much work those must be and I was concerned that you'd finally decide that they weren't worth the trouble when they are easily among my favorite videos of anyone's, let alone of yours, on the internet, especially for rewatching them years later to take a nostalgic trip back to the year in question, if only for a half hour.
2016-01-03 17:27:30 +0000 UTCNo problem, man - I'd rather just make you have enough money to get by! Besides, the top 10 videos are typically about double the length of a regular review, so when it comes to $$ per minute it's basically the same. :)
2016-01-02 23:44:42 +0000 UTCI understand the need to explain this, at least from your perspective, but I think most of your fans agree that making money so that you can sustain a living (and feed that Kali that is too small, perhaps if you feed her more, she will grow?) is more important than a couple of bucks out of our pockets for a service that we want. After all, you never forced anyone to support you on Patreon. Or maybe you did and you're a horrible person, we'll never know.
2016-01-01 21:35:42 +0000 UTCI've been slowly putting my stuff back up on Channel Awesome. From now on, make that your one-stop shop for all things Todd.
Todd in the Shadows
2016-01-01 17:45:55 +0000 UTCI get my money's worth with every video you release, so I can't complain in the slightest
2016-01-01 12:04:11 +0000 UTCHonestly, what annoys me about splitting the lists up isn't the money at all, it's the need to track down both versions of the list should I want to watch it again in the future. It's actually kinda hard to find a full set of your 2014 lists online and that was only last year. I don't mind if you divide the lists in two for the reasons you gave, Todd, but once it's all over and the Patreon triggers have fired, do you think you could put out a combined version of the lists for those of us who want the whole thing in the future?
2015-12-31 21:34:58 +0000 UTCThanks for the heads up, but I'm sure this year's top tens will be well worth it!
2015-12-31 17:29:05 +0000 UTCHey, no worries. Thanks for the headsup! I modified my pledge, but it was so I could cover all 4-- Happy New Year Todd.
Zachary McAnally
2015-12-31 17:15:52 +0000 UTCTodd so greedy, wanting to earn enough to live. PFfft. :p It's fine dude, as long as the top 10s keep flowing.
Jaszon Alexzander
2015-12-31 17:01:12 +0000 UTCYou are the king of the Top 10s. $20 for each is worth it. Baby, it's worth it...give it to me, it's worth it. Wonder if they'll make the list?
2015-12-31 14:14:27 +0000 UTCI always look forward to your year-end top tens Todd, I don't care if its in two parts. Happy New Year :D
2015-12-31 13:15:52 +0000 UTCI love your videos whether they come in one or two parts. Thanks for the entertainment!
2015-12-31 12:02:55 +0000 UTC1) Some of my fav vids to look forward too each year. 2) Being upfront about it goes a long way.
2015-12-31 11:58:13 +0000 UTC1) Some of my fav vids to look forward too each year. 2) Being upfront about it goes a long way. Looking forward to the vids, cheers.
2015-12-31 11:58:13 +0000 UTCTheir my favourite videos of the year so I don't mind at all
2015-12-31 10:55:44 +0000 UTCalls fair. You gotta eat man. We're not gonna give you trouble for that. It sucks that blip went down and left you guys holding the bag. I hope you can keep yourself going with Patreon and get a more stable situation. looking forward to those top 10s, however they get to us :)
2015-12-31 10:05:12 +0000 UTCI certainly don't mind, but I do aprichiate the heads up. I really enjoying hearing about your top favorite songs, so I'm always looking forwards to them. Also, starving for ones art is highly overhyped, and I tottaly understand that you don't want to go there.
Miriam
2015-12-31 09:21:51 +0000 UTCDon't worry about it, we understand. The year end lists are the highlight of the year so it's totally worth it 👍🏻
Kylie
2015-12-31 09:16:56 +0000 UTCNo worries, really looking forward to them.
2015-12-31 08:29:15 +0000 UTCI love hearing you talk about the music you actually like, and I get that this is how you support yourself, so I'm doubly ok with this for the top 10 best list. And ok, I also like the schadenfreude of the bottom 10 as well, but you've said in the past that you don't think most people even like it when you say positive stuff, so I want to specifically give some love to the top 10 vids.
Bradley Smith
2015-12-31 07:12:12 +0000 UTCNo worries, I'll gladly support all four
2015-12-31 07:02:23 +0000 UTCI personally look forward to the Top Tens all year so it's totally worth it for me!
Kaye
2015-12-31 06:06:27 +0000 UTCI'm a brand new patron, so maybe my view is different, but I look forward to the Top 10 lists all year. I'm glad to be a Patron now and I'm looking forward to the videos.
2015-12-31 05:18:37 +0000 UTCThanks for letting us know, Todd. It's understandable. Personally, I don't do this for exclusives or putting my name in the credits or any of that stuff, I do it because you're one of my favorite entertainers, I want you to be able to pay the bills, and I want you to be able to keep producing videos. I'll also add that I don't know what you mean by exclusives, but I do hope that you're not planning to start paywalling song reviews or OHW or anything like that. I have at least a few offline friends who enjoy your work and don't have the extra cash to put into Patreon, and I'd hate for them to start missing out on your work. Otherwise, thanks for making great videos for so long, and keep it up! I hope to see you complaining about how much of a pain Top Ten videos are for years to come.
Jacob Alys Rudolph
2015-12-31 05:15:28 +0000 UTCLol, the amount of videos per month I capped you at just happens to be 4 videos. No problems from my end and thanks for the heads up and the info.
2015-12-31 05:14:11 +0000 UTCThen I guess you got at least 120 coming your way that month.
Josh Spicer
2015-12-31 05:06:32 +0000 UTCThat's a totally reasonable decision, I'm happy to pay a little extra for all your extra work!
2015-12-31 05:02:34 +0000 UTCI appreciate the honesty, and given just how entertaining these top tens have always been for me, i'm glad to pay an extra few bucks
Adam Nelson
2015-12-31 04:55:08 +0000 UTCJust going to add to the list of people saying this is a fine decision by me, I know you have to pay the bills, and thanks for getting ahead of any potential problems by making it clear up front so people can adjust as necessary. As with several previous posters, I might also drop my normal cap for this month since it sounds like these really kill you.
Daniel Beckett
2015-12-31 04:49:54 +0000 UTCUnderstood. And this will just make me look forward to them more. Maybe even more detailed reasoning to each pick? I'm excited. P.S. I'm hoping Fight Song is the worst of this year ;)
Yvette
2015-12-31 04:35:54 +0000 UTCSHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! Seriously though, I don't mind this at all. It's not like you are breaking every video up in half. This is a once-a-year thing. And I really look forward to these videos.
Caleb Lee
2015-12-31 04:31:05 +0000 UTCGotta pay the bills somehow man, it's all good, but thanks for the heads up.
Mitchell McIntyre
2015-12-31 04:24:09 +0000 UTCThanks for the heads up! I just double checked I do have a cap set. I'm going to change it now so it will include all of the videos. I hope you get more support like Blip again soon. I recently found your videos & the top ten lists are gold! Looking forward to them :)
2015-12-31 04:21:41 +0000 UTCtwice the length? twice the effort? I get to hear your voice...todd...sweety...stfu and TAKE MY MONEY!...its always worth it man XD
Basil Six Shooter
2015-12-31 04:21:31 +0000 UTCI hate talking about money in the context of my job, too. It makes me feel like a mercenary. But I have to earn a living, and so do you, and neither of us needs to be ashamed of that. I look forward to your top tens twice as much as your other videos, and I'm happy to pay twice as much for them.
2015-12-31 04:10:01 +0000 UTCChiming in with everyone else about being good with you charging for each part of the top 10 lists. They're twice the length, extra work for you, and well worth the extra cost.
2015-12-31 04:02:39 +0000 UTCSo long as you thoroughly mock at least one pompous pop star (more would be good but I'll try not be greedy) then I'm fine with however you organize the videos.
Kim Huett
2015-12-31 04:00:44 +0000 UTCThank you for all your work Todd, happy to contribute a little extra this month, your top tens are one of my favorite parts of New Years.
Deanna Banana
2015-12-31 03:57:26 +0000 UTCI respect the honesty. I currently have my pledges capped at 2, but I think I might uncap that for January. If I think I can afford it.
2015-12-31 03:50:44 +0000 UTCIt'll totally be worth the end product; your lists are one of the biggest highlights of the new year for me. In fact, I'm going to remove my cap for this month (it's usually set to 3) to show my appreciation. Looking forward to the end result!
Owen W
2015-12-31 03:50:23 +0000 UTC