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“What if I am outgrowing Taylor Swift?” Thats such a powerful line, I love hearing QT talk and I do think you def outgrew her! And please can we start having security questions related to sex?!

Immy

It’s the same melody as Cool by the Jonas Brothers

Brianna Nicole

i love qt taylor talks, im not a swiftie but one of my best friends is and i feel like qt taylor talks have genuinely made me closer w my friend bc i know so much more about it and are able to ask her genuine questions abt it and have fun discussions w her and we even had a whole tpd listen and debrief party during a road trip once

karina

As someone who never listens to Taylor Swift and has little to no interest in her, I love QTs deepdive of the album. Always love people taking about thing they are passionate about

Chiefen

The theory about the story of Ophelia's death was that she killed herself as a way to get back at all of her oppressors. Before she dies she gives specific flowers with different meanings to all the different characters and people interpret that as her inexplicit way to essentially get back at the patriarchy and Hamlet.

Lauren McKenzie

"In Taylor fashion, Sympathy is a Knife is 2:30, and she made Actually Romantic 2:43, so 13 seconds longer than Charli's song. Which is just such a Taylor thing to do, because 13 is her favourite number. So that's another little thing where you know they're correlated. It is, it just is." I'm new to this, so can I get a quick vibe check from Swifties: does everyone confidently believe this like QT? I would not have been able to keep a straight face. I don't begrudge a girl having a favourite number; write the number 13 on all the objects you want, have 13 of a thing on-stage at your concerts or in a music video, launch a new product on the 13th of the month, whatever, go nuts. But like, a lot of things can coincidentally be 13 seconds longer or shorter than other things, or happen 13 months after other things, or happen 13 years after other things, and it doesn't make it deliberate. If she actually asked her producer to guarantee the track is 13 seconds longer as a subtweet that only a small portion of schizo fans would be looking for, that's just a cringe thing for a grown adult to do, and maybe Taylor should collab with Goop and empower some healing crystals with the power of 13.

BisonHero

QT should try listening to Adrianne Lenker bc she loves folklore and evermore so much. Adrianne's lyricism is next level and i think QT would love her.

Canyon Akromis

I love whenever QT talks about Taylor Swift. I truly enjoy people talking about their passions, especially long time ones with a bunch of lore and a timeline and little 'secrets'/easter eggs. People enjoying and then info dumping about their hobbies will always be one of my favourite things to listen to (I know I'm repeating myself but I can't stress enough how much it brings me joy to have someone share their passion(s) with others). It'd be dope if QT had a Taylor Swift segment where we get lore updates or she catches Rae up on old lore.

a human

Anybody else think the last song sounds like boom clap… interestingggg

Matthew

Also renewed mine for this one

Lara___I

not vulnerable for her art? pls listen to evermore folklore and ttpd. she is very open in these albums what are u talking about? these were very diffenrent than her other albums as well. she does different stuff. people choose to ignore it

elif

Burnout fr cus she was on this big ass tour for so long and then released an album pretty soon after I feel like ?

SummerPeach

Then leave 🤷‍♀️ didn't need to write all that

SummerPeach

Ngl, the main episode and this patron episode has been the worst episode since Rae has joined and it's not even close!! I know Rae and Fanfan asked qt to talk about it, but 2 hours of talking about Taylor Swift was boring af. Had to 2x the main episode and basically skipped the entirety of this patreon. It's unfortunate cause Rae and Fanfan rarely interact with each other and I was looking forward to them talking and interacting more this episode, but qt just took over the conversation like usual. I miss Press Esc where Rae actually talked about interesting things and where she wasn't overshadowed by her co-host

Galen

Bro the bits of concerts they played… how do people enjoy that I’ve never felt more represented than fan fan lol, I’m sorry I’ll say it a million times, respect to the fans, Taylor is TERRIBLE

Sergio Aragonez

same tbh

Yeson

she is washed but I can see why that's hard to admit lol

Yeson

yup, for someone that's supposedly very deep with her writing usually I can see why people would come to this conclusion aswell

Yeson

I love it so much when people talk about their interests so this episode was so good I had to renew my sub lol I'm staying here I love listening to the girlies <3

Cece

I don't feel strongly about Taylor either way & my opinion of the songs I've heard is they're fun & silly. I'll never tale away that she is very good at writing hooks but it makes sense one would outgrow Taylor Swift since Taylor may be in arrested development from becoming famous so young. From the outside, my biggest complaint about Taylor is that she doesn't seem to push herself or truly be vulnerable for her art form. She has a formuoli that works & has been serving different versions of that for the past 18. I feel sad for Taylor bc she seems hyper consumed by the court of public opinion but it makes her too safe for my taste. She seems like she really needs everyone to see her as America's sweetheart. If a billionaire can't take chances who can? If an artist can't take a risk then?

Paula Mejia

Didnt the general public flame tortured poets department because it didn’t have as many poppy songs and it was mostly deep lyrics? So maybe it really is a “you want made for radio? There you go.”

Lina

Saying I should have kissed you when you had a girlfriend and I should have kissed you after you broke up aswell doesn’t erase the first intent. So it’s super shitty to have an artist that has a huge young fan base that will be in situations like this and feel emboldened to kiss the guy with the girlfriend because he might die and I’ll regret it forever. The good of having girls take the risk and kiss the guy that has broken up, does not erase the broken trust and hearts of people in relationships that suddenly have girls kissing boys who are in couples because they might regret it 🙄 The song could have explored how she might tell him he wants to kiss him and hoping he’d breakup with his girlfriend. Which is still shitty but atleast not betrayal. Then going into their broken up I should have just kissed him. That’s the same thing but with nuance and compassion

Sable M

Tay tay sounds kinda cray cray ngl. But so it goes with artists sometimes

Jam

I say this as a long time Taylor Swift enjoyer: Fan Fan is so real for laughing out loud at Taylor’s lyrics

Joseph

Okay I think the best argument against the “onyx night” lyric being racist is because in the first chorus she’s talking about how her mom told her these things and then it’s not until the second chorus that she flips it to Travis. It’s such a reach! Also it is 10000% a fourth wing reference DUH

Maria Villanueva

I got annoyed tbh at the take on Ruin the Friendship. Like he died….she’s only thinking back now about making a move because at the time she didn’t want to out of fear. Also, the whole cheating thing, in the song it’s clear that in the time they knew each other, he broke up with that gf, and she still didn’t make a move because she didn’t want to upset the now ex gf….like its not a horrible song about cheating, it’s just jot

Laurel

(Just repeating the arguments from tiktok): People said some songs had racist undertones because 1. In Opalite, TS directly references a viral video of Travis and his ex not getting along, and the same song juxtaposes his previous Onyx nights to his now Opalite skies 2. In combo with this, there are lyrics that are just weird "I'm not a bad bitch, this isn't savage" "have a *couple* kids, got the *whole block* looking like you" 3. Her new necklace for sale that has the SS lightning bolt (not for sale anymore now that it's been pointed out publicly). I'm not making this argument, but can totally see why it is a topic of discussion

Lilith

Ruin the friendship is every other romcom movie made. It sucks when a movie needs some forbidden thing to get drama.

Torayume

It woule be cool if the gen z lingo music was all a guise to unveil the true versions lol

Torayume

if this is how some people have explained why opalite doesn't sit right with black women, i see why people think it's a reach😭

ricekrispy

this is an onion article, im sick oml 😭

ubiiiiiiiiiiiii

CHARLI XCX DIDN'T HAVE COCAINE AT HER WEDDING 😭😭😭😭😭😭, she had cigarettes for all the guests. she did do a bump of something at one of her boiler room sets tho. Misinformation pod strikes again

ubiiiiiiiiiiiii

the taylor swift CTE theory endures...

ubiiiiiiiiiiiii

English is my third language and I probably won’t articulate myself very well in this situation but guys - there are lyrics out there like “that’s that me espresso” or “watermelon sugar high” that are considered AMAZING pop songs while the lyrics are just, well, not very deep. We are spoiled with Taylor because she is an outstanding songwriter and it is completely fine to be disappointed about the album not being to her usual lyrical standard - but I don’t think she ever advertised this album as something more than just a good pop album to dance to, correct me if I’m wrong. This is certainly not tortured poets but she never alluded to that being the case. This song is more a music listen, not a lyrical listen if you get what I mean and imo that’s okay!! Because apart from a few exceptions, the lyrics are a lot better than some charting pop songs out there!! (Doesn’t mean the others are bad, they are charting for a reason.) For Elizabeth Taylor: it don’t understand the take “she is stalking about rich shit that not relatable” the song is literally named after a very famous super rich it girl- of course me as a teacher cannot relate to that lol. But I love being immersed in a world of money and glamour and using that as a story telling device. For ruin the friendship: I think it’s important to see that she write this song AFTER he died, so in grief, and in knowing that you cannot turn back time, there is this moment of - oh man I would/ should have done ANYTHING to be with you, even if it’s not an invitation, not convenient (not right) I even would have kissed you (really not to be taken literal imo) when you had a girlfriend. That’s how much I miss you and regret not doing anything to be with you/to show you that I care about you. Just my two cents

Micky Sinner

i am literally in the same boat as ruin the friendship LOL i loved that one. my best friend took me to TLOASG movie premiere. and we just looked at each other during that song. oh drama drama drama

jaspersjourney

I need a video with lore and deep song dive on each of the albums ... patreon bonus maybe ?

Chatters_Mom

I'm far removed from Taylor Swift lore and her music in general (no hate). I had fun listening to the Taylor discussion as an outsider. Some prolific artists (e.g, Bob Dylan) will complete change writing styles, forget how to write the way they used to, or not even understand how they wrote their earliest work by the end of their career. It can happen, and not always for the worse. I also think that this could just be a product of burnout in some regard, where she's set up these immense expectations for herself through her fandom and she can't keep up. Having made an album myself, I can't imagine releasing 1 or more albums a year and touring at that caliber.

Fin

Also that CANNOT be the end of Taylor Swift lore time when rae has so much to catch up on!!

Melanie Stewart

I always wish i could just remind qt of certain swiftie lore like why she cries her eyes violet or that the track fives aren’t “the saddest” songs but the most vulnerable! :)

Melanie Stewart

I love Taylor's writing and lyrics and depressing songs...but LOASG is good if you take it as it is - fun, good to work out to :)

Olivia Heber

Just noticing that QT got a new phone case lol it’s cute!

Shelby

This album feels happy to me, like pop girly but happy and I like that. The only song I don't really like is cancelled. It just feels like everyone is getting upset over it not being deep longing poetry and I love those songs but I like these songs too.

Taylor

Me loving Wish list and sitting here while everyone shits on it

Taylor

I’m very giggly both fanfans episode and bonus were t swift lore fillers though I know it was asked for by both Rae and fan fan

Mia Luna

I have no opinion on Taylor's music but after listening to Qt she convinced me she's washed. Her argument was that Taylor already made songs about these topics but did it better. So this has to be intentional. To me it just reads as someone who has ran out of interesting things to say so they had to go back to their old work and just repeated herself because she has nothing new or interesting to say. It has to be something in the water because Joe Abercrombie and Brandon Sanderson also just put out new work that is widely considered their worst/weaker than the rest of their career

BS

This EP was the first time I heard it and I thought it hit

BS

I haven't heard about this drama but just to add. Lightning bolts are also Nazi imagery(SS) and the iron cross was an award given by Germany. So as a neutral 3rd party that's sus as hell

BS

I don’t know why we are expected to hold female pop artists to a standard of being ‘relatable’, and specifically for Taylor’s lyrics to all be assessed with a literal/gospel energy is kinda wild. at the end of the day this album is art and it’s subjective - if you’re a ts fan and you don’t enjoy it there are 11+ others to hang with. and if you like this, thrilled for you! i’m somewhere in the middle but the criticism of TLOAS is shared in such a weird ass way lmao

Tara

I’ve always been a music lover who listens to everything. My dad used to tell me never to hate a whole genre, because somewhere in there is at least one song that’ll inspire you as an artist. (I used to make music and wanted to be a producer, but my hand joints started cramping too bad to keep playing.) Because of that, I usually get why artists blow up — I even called Paramore and Gym Class Heroes back when they dropped their first albums. But I could never understand her rise after the Self-Titled era. The only song I ever added was “Safe & Sound,” and even that wasn’t one she wrote solo. I’ve been confused for years — until QT explained it. Now I totally get what FanFan was saying. I’m not adding her to my playlist just yet, but I finally understand the appeal.

Fueled_by_Tea

I’m very saddened both fanfans episode and bonus were t swift lore fillers though i know it was asked for by both rae and fan fan

Ty

Was planning to get the Patreon event but had to cave for the hyped Taylor lore from QT’s perspective as a man, musician, and as someone VERY unfamiliar with Taylor. Was worth it for the impassioned rant I hope QT gets another album drop this year that can distract from some of the letdown of this one.

Jayden Brown

CTE is contagious is the only logical explanation for this album

maybug

Im not a swifty but MAN i was invested in these swifty episodes - ty for girlypop nation keeping me in the loop - so interesting

Amy Mitchell

Exactly! I feel the same way about it, beautifully put.

Alanna M

But now you have access to the backlog! They have a few other FanFan bonus episodes, and many other guests. Watch those before your month sub is over!

Lilith

just finished the episode,, pleaseeeee tell the lore of evermore and folklore, i also haven’t heard like any of the songs and want to know the backstories

Adrien🍀

As a non-Swiftie, my top 3 faves on first listen and still now are The Fate of Ophelia, Elizabeth Taylor & Opalite. I also like Father Figure (despite the cringe 'dicks bigger' parts). With Cancelled idc about the lyrics I like it sonically and then TLOAS I like the story and Sabrina's parts especially but the song was kinda 'meh' at first, though it grew on me. The song that I really began to appreciate is Ruin The Friendship after understanding the lyrics more and what/who they're about, very emotional. I also listened to Forever Winter because of seeing fans say it's about the same guy (Jeff) which made it even more sad plus I like the bittersweet high school nostalgia aspect and urging you to live without regrets. It's a shame that people focused on the girlfriend part and reduced the grief as well as touching message of the song to just 'omg she endorses cheating', no it's much bigger than that and it seems more like encouragement to take opportunities in life that perhaps you're hesitant about in the moment but if you don't try, you may end up regretting and wondering 'what if' for the rest of your life. Eldest Daughter & Honey are ok but forgettable, wouldn't go out of my way to listen to them and then my least favourites are Actually Romantic, Wi$h Li$t & Wood. Not for me.

Alanna M

Gonna be a nerd for a minute and make a correction on the Taylor-Olivia drama lol. So Olivia didn't sample "Cruel Summer" on "Deja Vu." She stated in an interview in April 2021 that she got inspiration from the bridge in "Cruel Summer" to use shouting vocals in the bridge for "Deja Vu." She got permission to interpolate the opening chords of "New Year's Day" on her song "1 Step Forward, 3 Steps Back" and credited Taylor when "Sour" released. Then in May 2021, Taylor and Olivia meet... internet goes crazy. THEN in July 2021, its reported that Olivia had to go back and give Taylor, Jack and St. Vincent credit for "Deja Vu," three months after it's already been released. Olivia hasn't spoken about Taylor unprompted ever since and possibly wrote "The Grudge" about the whole situation.

censoredcolors

(i don’t think this ive just seen it on tiktok) people are also saying she’s racist bc she came out with a necklace for opalite and there’s 8 lightning bolts on the chains and the gem is in an iron cross(?) and both have racial ties bc h is the 8th letter in the alphabet and 88 is a dog whistle for heil hitler

Adrien🍀

seconded; like yeah totally feel the radio song piece but "trolling and memes" "this isn't savage" isn't made for radio lyrics, they're just jarring. maybe i'm huffing paint but her previous radio-friendly lyrics weren't this brutal??

Noah

this is my point too! it’s all intentional!

Tara

As someone who likes to passively look on over at /r/GaylorSwift - kinda in the same way you watch animals at a zoo - I admire their ability to come up with explanations for anything. Kinda funny QT agrees with them that this could be intentional rage bait / upset the fan base.

VenomdP

folklore/evermore are also my favorite albums not just of taylor but of all times. i just love it when albums have a collective tone or style, that you can just shuffle the entire thing when you feel like you're in the mood. pop artists dont usually do that. so pleeeease qt if u do the album review with fanfan can u please stream it? lol also scootish please upload qt's life of a showgirl soon!! i wasnt gonna check it out but i'd totally wanna watch qt's reactions

Yupooman

The end of the free episode made it seem like they were gonna talk about fanfan or atleast something other than TS. I got scammazzed didn't I.

Osaus

okay but on a side note, gabriette was soooo fucking funny on quenlin’s cooking show. i’ve followed her for a while just cause i thought she was really pretty but had no clue there was drama with her and taylor lmao

Ana ☆

Don't you pay to be here?

Byconite

so interesting hearing the echos of her style being reskinned within her own work

Juju

I will defend my dick is bigger with my life. Like that line is a mega fucking banger

Todd Sutherland

yeah as a longtime ts fan with a tattoo of lyrics from the lake, i just genuinely cannot fathom her making this album with a straight face. maybe im just huffing straight copium but she’s been doing this for literal decades. like i just cannot believe that this album was published with her thinking that it was actually 100% good.

waterbuffaloes

peace always makes me cry ;-; so beautiful

Zandra ♥

im gonna be honest here i get what qt is saying and i agree she wrote this album to be more radio friendly. however i truly do think that like half this album is unlistenable imo. like actually bad. I think she got burnt out writing all radio songs that she did "get lost in the sauce" as rae said. I dont hate taylors music im kinda in the same boat as fanfan, theres some songs i really like, i think this album is just objectively bad in comparison to even her other radio songs

gettreed

if you have feelings for someone in a relationship and need to distance yourself i dont think you should tell the person because whats the point of telling them than hoping for whatever chance. Even if its for "closure" for you, i feel like its almost like trying to bait cheating and you should just hold that rather than share it

Avery Schrader

I love QT and Valkirae but can someone please get Emily a mic pretty please with a cherry on top!!!!

Alphonse Shehata

Ah yes, classic QT “it’s a reach” Cinderella, loved the ep but lmao 👱🏼‍♀️

Nina

MORE TAYLOR TIME LETS GOOOOOOOO my hot take is the album is like that meme where the horse is on fire but then drops off to a crude drawing but like after the first two songs 🥹😭 Oh well I really like ttpd I'll just be chilling over there :3

Carto

I'm sure they love talking about something than themselves anyway mhm.

Torayume

I thought you said we were done talking about Taylor swift? Am I about to listen to wt talk about Taylor swift for ANOTHER hour???

Ian Overstreet

I'm definitely replaying this week's episodes over and over, I love pop girl content!!

Torayume

I love the context now I love father figure way more now I see the perspective and everyday scenario men making themselves a father figure to trust but they skeezeballs mhm

Torayume

I love QT deep dives. Her explanation on Kendrick vs. Drake is probably my favorite patreon episode

Paula Mejia

Loved all the Taylor Talk! I really love seeing people find out about her lore and storytelling. I think this perspective of ‘Ruin the Friendship’ is what I thought immediately but I have changed my thoughts on the lyrics since listening more. I really do think this song is rooted in grief and showing that there are ebbs and flows with that healing process. And I think we kind of go through the classic “What if” with her. Would you be by my side today? In her scenario, could I have saved you? Would he still be alive if our relationship was more than a friendship. Because one leap of faith could have changed everything of his outcome & even hers. Any small change in your life can change the path you have created now. I think there is a million ways she could have said this, but I also think it’s a choice to make it a little less lyric heavy because the grief and start of the relationship happened when she was so young. The story telling and being in high school was important to put you in the shoes that he had his whole life ahead of him with the addition of this is the Taylor he knew when he was alive. This is how he ingested her music at that time. And in a way it just feels like a time capsule or a diary entry after he passed and her reflection on it. All in all I think it has made me reflect differently on grief. Thinking about how one might feel 15 years from the moment it happened. Knowing that it’s sad for others too and grief isn’t something you are only through is kind of comforting.

McKenna Park

man im upset that they didnt talk about ruin the friendship as much as they should have...that song is devastating but they were hung up on one verse

ray

Is it possible like an author writes different characters maybe this is what taylor did here. She is singing each song as a different character or at least some of the songs. Maybe show girl is clue to this.

Pookha hare

I'm shocked they don't know about Olivia and Sabrina, that was everywhere when Driver's License took over omg

Mary Fuller

I think the whole album was written by AI and she is like this is what you guys wanted.

Cody Skalsky

i wish they went more into how eldest daughter is trying to be cringe its so important to the song..i dont like the song outside of the bridge (INCREDIBLE BRIDGE BTW!!!) but shes done this on multiple songs before, TTPD title track for example. the whole thing eldest daughter is saying is that she tries to be cool when she isnt, she tries to be someone she isnt, shes using these out of date/cringe phrases on purpose which is key to understanding why the song is that way

ray

Being in my 60s and an elizabeth taylor fan here is a little insight. On that song type in stuff with Elizabeth taylor. Suspect Cartier refer is to huge diamond Richard burton gave her. I think the place is associated with Liz. Liz was a child actress. She lost a big early love to an accident. She was often searching for love. But she did lot for charity especially for aids. On other stuff natural opalite is full of color , different ones. Back in Shakespeare time some wondered if madness waz contagious. So maybe hamlets madness infected her?

Pookha hare

1 hr and 20 min episode! yay! 🥰💜

Kirsten Tracey

I disagree with QT on down bad man, I love the lyrics on it.

Alexander Overbey

respectfuilly: give the crew some mics dammit, I want to hear what they are saying

Ole Heide

the reaction on "I consider myself an historian" was hilarious

Ole Heide

Lmao mentioning the shirt matching fanfans skin tone as if it wasn’t black pixels the entire main episode

Sun

Yippeee

spam_musubi2

When will replace the image for the collection on Patreon with Rae instead of Maya?

PhsycoRed

wowie

AxialMars

wahoo!

Faye852


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