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[#52] Uncensored - FanFan
Added 2023-12-12 20:00:06 +0000 UTCThis week FanFan joins QT and gets very personal talking about fetishes, boyfriends, her streaming career and how the industry has been for her.
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There are way bigger issues than what a niche internet micro celebrity said about something. If you want to look that deep and dissect everything they say then no shit you arenβt going to be happy about it but at the end of the day if something a streamer said is what causes a lot of hurt in your life then you have it very good compared to most people.
carpetburns
2023-12-29 09:29:26 +0000 UTCLow energy= could be a serious symptom to a serious disease
S Quayle
2023-12-27 21:27:10 +0000 UTCThere are way worse bigoted people. You need to grow up or get a life.
Bowdrie Coonfer
2023-12-24 23:40:44 +0000 UTCIts interesting watching this now (i am bit behind on Wine About It) to hear Fiona talk about LSF when the last few days her GTA clips have been popular on the subreddit and in the more traditional lsf, this is a hilarious clip way. GTA taking over is somewhat good for LSF, its basically OTK, Forsen, XQC and then GTA streamers. Though Squeex is popping off, mainly because his Vivek clips are hilarious.
James Parentich
2023-12-24 19:31:22 +0000 UTCIDK about the fetish part, but I do agree that just because it's a joke doesn't mean all of a sudden it's OK. Like, what's funny about cordoning fat people to a separate section of the airport? It's not even funny.
Obrigaah
2023-12-24 14:05:23 +0000 UTCIt personally annoys me when someone says "I'm not fatphobic" as if that's enough to qualify. It's not enough just declare yourself " not fatphobic" just out of your own personal convience. You have demonstrate it through words and actions, which I haven't seen her do.
Lynn Torin
2023-12-18 10:13:47 +0000 UTCI have to call BS on Fanfan not being fatphobic. She started out this interview by pointing out that a fetish involving people becoming fat is disgusting unprovoked. And yeah, that is unhealthy and not great. But it's the idea of being/becoming fat that disgusted her. She seems annoyed more than genuinely sorry. I think she believes the reaction to what she said to be overblown, and I think that's belittling to the harm her words caused. My partner liked Fanfan from Master Baker . And felt really hurt by her comment. She tries to play it off as if it was another person's joke. Or quoting somebody else with something she doesn't genuinely believe. But I don't quote racist jokes and tell people I'm not racist because I didn't say it. "JK Just joking" doesn't undo the hurtful impact her words have. It's just a qualifier in a bid to hold immunity from the consequences her words have.
Lynn Torin
2023-12-16 06:35:35 +0000 UTCthanks for responding. interesting point about most living species. its not often i speak with someone that has considered other species within the context of morals. the point i would raise is that morals in general are roughly proportional to the level of sentience a being has. some animals have a clear sense of morality. one example is a dog that took food off of a plate while their fur-parent was out of the room. when the fur-parent returns and sees the missing food and they say "ooooooooOOO who took that?", there is a noticeable change in the dogs demeanor, such as the expression of guilt, fear, remorse, etc. this is not to claim that morals work the same at this level of sentience. its unreasonable to expect a dog to achieve something like Buddhahood. i often hear an argument that a universal moral framework cannot exist but i have found this to often be an excuse to justify the abuse of others. my post was not to claim that consent is the only axiom or foundational building block, but it can get one pretty far. another potential axiom i have come across that i cant logically eliminate is *compassion* (being compelled to reduce suffering through the awareness and empathy of others). thats a different discussion though. the idea of consent is more morally consistent than anything i have considered. its about as objective as one can get. i mean it can literally be as precise as an explicit *yes* or *no*. the laws are not necessarily moral. in fact, the system as a whole is incredibly immoral. its built around systemic abuse. we still have slavery, we just call it prison labor (stateside) or outsourcing (internationally). we still enslave women and sex trade them -- and i dont mean underground shit. less common but still prevalent in different regions in the US. women are still have their human rights taken from them (right to an abortion, their general right to self-determination, etc). in virtually all these kinds of instances, the greatest moral offenses could be resolved by the requirement of gaining consent in good faith. good faith is subjective in some context but in many, exceedingly objective. example being corporate lawyers knowing full well no one is going to be able to read and keep up with all the terms, conditions, privacy policies, and etc to give their well informed consent -- bad faith. i have plenty to say on this topic. issues of mass suffering is what occupies my mind on most days. love a wholesome debate (preferably discussion lol) on this topic. i subscribe to the idea of keeping the best idea in my mental library. if youve got something better, im gonna update my shit.
FullPlaid
2023-12-15 16:07:00 +0000 UTCA moral framework built around consent is effectively not a moral framework, simply because most living species in the planet are unable to confirm consent or work within the premises of a long term consistent agreement. You can also make an argument that the law is not a proper moral framework but a series of affirmations similar to a cat slapping your hand away when he's pissed off, these are extreme, necessary tools to handle situations of moral ambiguity, so with contracts we can only get so far as to know how "good" a person really is. With that said, pretty interesting post, thanks for sharing
Arrowni
2023-12-15 08:21:25 +0000 UTCThis was such a chaotic conversation, enjoyed it thoroughly
Christian
2023-12-15 02:43:45 +0000 UTCI do try to be way way nicer/supportive in qt chat cause it's been a wicked year for her. a lot of the twitch chats ends up being abount events or Taylor or focused on the serious things going on. I also kind of feel like a lot of the joking or funnier content to connect with gets shared in the most detail on the various pods more than the streams. big reason I was excited to get baking streams back, it's usually a time where qt is kicking back and really chatting with us (though maybe not exactly comedy either). the reason I've always connected with her content (I don't watch much twitch besides her) is her relentless genuineness no matter what her mood is, the happy the sad and everything in between. and the streams in the last few weeks have been more energetic and engaging so maybe the chat will get spicy in a good way again soon hahah
dee
2023-12-14 22:02:11 +0000 UTCi appreciate QTs burden of gatekeeping the platform and the uncertainty of whether or not a man that is being onboarded isnt going to turn out to be some kind of perpetrator. i was talking to my therapist about this and one thing i mentioned is that its a nearly impossible task with the way our culture and economy is structured. for example, a litmus test could be a mans core values including the idea of *consent in all things*. the idea of consent goes beyond the bedroom but the lack of understanding of consent in general spills over into the bedroom. this test would result in a lot of false-positives because we dont teach it as a moral foundation so we usually have a fairly organic sense of consent (at least for men. women seem to have a strong intuition of consent). reducing the rate of false-positives would require cultural mass adoption. one huge barrier is that so many things in society are based on the idea of not getting consent. weve allowed it to go too far. an obvious example is the requirement of agreeing to terms of service, conditions and privacy policies. these involve very dry and extensive legal language that is the length of a short novel for each application and subject to change at any time. so we technically are responsible for reading all of these documents before and during every use for each application. and how many applications does the average person use? a lot. it is legally provable that it is not humanly possible to track all the things we are forced to "consent" to so we can exist in this system. thats not consent. the idea of consent in all things would destroy that part of the system. unfortunately this means the task of developing consistent moral frameworks is practically impossible at a large scale. anyway, if QT is looking for a reliable way to reduce the likelihood of onboarding perpetrators, testing|training the idea of consent in all things would be one way. higher true negatives (filtering in good peeps and not bad peeps), but higher false positives (filtering out some good peeps along with bad peeps).
FullPlaid
2023-12-14 20:49:49 +0000 UTCso true. i had heard about QT kinda everywhere. i never watched her content until after coming across Maya's sanctuary content and then got pipelined through a co-stream in QTs kitchen. then Wine About It and i was hooked. my first Maya video was YT short about not getting a parrot and tiny mics.
FullPlaid
2023-12-14 18:47:46 +0000 UTCπ¦ a joke about loving and protecting baby seals?
FullPlaid
2023-12-14 16:14:09 +0000 UTCFor the record, everytime QT says there are no funny people on her chat I get personally offended. And in my defense my humor used to be pretty aggro until that time I made that joke about baby seals in the company slack and it backfired on me
Arrowni
2023-12-14 12:21:45 +0000 UTCfanfan's chat IS hilarious, she's right
some_donkus
2023-12-14 06:53:59 +0000 UTCIβm a part of the club that had no idea who Lud was until I found out through QT. Oddly enough, I didnβt even know what Twitch was until I found QT on YouTube and thought she was cool as shit. I literally created a Twitch account to watch QT. Thanks to her, I now know who all these other cool streamers are.
LeahGia
2023-12-13 22:07:03 +0000 UTCThe only streams I go out of my way to watch are Mayaβs. Ok & the occasional nmplol vod. But QT is great, and FanFan was way more chill than expected. Good episode!
Mitch Mitcherson
2023-12-13 21:47:56 +0000 UTCIt is funny to me how we find streamer vs how they think we find them. I found QT and my most watched streamer, Anna Cramling, through each other. I do not know if they know the other exist. Anna I found by seeing list of chess streamers from the awards. QT I found when Anna coached Wirtual who played QT in Pogchamps 5. I had no idea who Ludwig was until after I learned about QT.
BevoTZ
2023-12-13 12:23:42 +0000 UTCPersonally I don't watch many streams bc it often feels like a waste of time in some regards. Events are different though. However, I do try and keep in touch with the community through clips or videos streamers will post.
77katz77
2023-12-13 04:43:11 +0000 UTCI love fanfan's gaming streams
MrWorldExtraWide
2023-12-13 01:22:16 +0000 UTCany chance of the posts announcing the wine returning for guest episodes? i like trying to drink along :)
Simon
2023-12-13 00:40:50 +0000 UTCHoping the Patreon episode is unhinged
Jose Marin
2023-12-13 00:34:24 +0000 UTCfanfan HYPE Pog
wildarmz
2023-12-12 23:52:21 +0000 UTCdamn i missed the mark to be eligible to date fanfan by 1 inch :(
Armando Peralta-Camilo
2023-12-12 23:13:29 +0000 UTCQT come back I promise we will be more funny lmao
Rah
2023-12-12 22:44:11 +0000 UTCslay
Rah
2023-12-12 22:37:04 +0000 UTCOk. I'll try to drop a knock knock joke in chat once in a while. Hope that helps
Pnwoah
2023-12-12 21:57:52 +0000 UTCfanfan great guest ep :) - i feel bad being not nice now so i'm less funny it sucks lol
eirysse
2023-12-12 21:45:48 +0000 UTCQt is so right. I am nice and good-looking and unfunny. She knows us π
Chloe Rene
2023-12-12 21:42:15 +0000 UTCbanger
Stealfydoge
2023-12-12 21:09:30 +0000 UTCBeep Beep
loofilovegood
2023-12-12 20:40:31 +0000 UTCThe episode we have all been waiting for ππ
Chloe Rene
2023-12-12 20:35:11 +0000 UTCFanfan π₯³
Alex Browne
2023-12-12 20:03:32 +0000 UTCwowie
AxialMars
2023-12-12 20:00:30 +0000 UTC
