The adventurer: Ceorls: History or Hypothesis?
Added 2025-05-05 18:45:26 +0000 UTCWe're working on the Anglo-Saxon ceorls — that middle class who were neither humble fyrdmen nor noble thegns. And we’ve hit a key design question:
How do we distinguish them visually without making things up?
One option we're considering is the use of scale armour made of leather or lightweight materials, inspired by late Roman traditions. There’s no direct evidence of this among the Anglo-Saxons, but we do have suggestive clues: archaeological parallels, plausible reconstructions… and even the Bayeux Tapestry.
So we’re asking you directly:
Should we explore these "plausible but unconfirmed" types of protection?
Or do you prefer we stick strictly to what’s been historically proven?
We aim to keep our miniatures grounded in history — but also rich in detail. Your feedback helps us define that balance.
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Estamos trabajando en los ceorls anglosajones, una clase media que históricamente no es tan pobre como el fyrd ni tan noble como el thegn, y aquí surge una cuestión importante de diseño:
¿Cómo los diferenciamos visualmente sin inventar?
Una posibilidad es incorporar armaduras de escamas en cuero o materiales ligeros, basadas en la tradición tardorromana. No hay evidencia directa de su uso entre los anglosajones, pero sí indicios en la arqueología comparada, reconstrucciones plausibles… e incluso en el Tapiz de Bayeux.
Por eso os preguntamos directamente:
¿Queréis que exploremos este tipo de protecciones “verosímiles pero no confirmadas”?
¿O preferís que sigamos fieles solo a lo documentado sin desviarnos un milímetro?
Queremos que nuestras miniaturas sigan siendo históricas, pero también visualmente ricas. Vuestra opinión nos ayuda a marcar la línea.
Comments
Personally i prefer what is historically confirmed. But whatever you make will look fantastic and i wont complain.
Keg and Krow
2025-05-07 15:03:00 +0000 UTCThank you so much for your trust and kind words — it really means a lot to us! Regarding your questions: For the Thegns, we’ve opted to give them more ornate helmets and richly decorated shields. These kinds of shields might not have been the most common historically, but they’re often the most striking in archaeological finds, and we wanted to reflect that elite status visually. The Gesith will feature mail shirts as their main armor, and in some cases possibly lamellar or scale armor. However, what we find most representative of Anglo-Saxon warriors —and sadly underrepresented in many miniature lines— is the layering of tunic and cloak over the armor. That will be a key visual feature in many of the Gesith sculpts. The Ceorls, on the other hand, will be equipped more modestly, with helmet, tunic, and possibly leather or padded armor at most. Their look is simpler and more practical, reflecting their status. We’re also adjusting shield and helmet design depending on class: the lower the rank, the simpler the shapes and decoration. That said, the real strength of these historical ranges lies in how the parts can be mixed. Just like in our Viking line —which already allows for a wide range of combinations— we aim to achieve the same for the Anglo-Saxons. So even if we don’t release hundreds of unique models, we want to make sure you can create hundreds of unique combinations by mixing heads, weapons, bodies, shields, and gear. We’re very excited about this project — and grateful to have supporters like you who engage with the details and help us push it further. Thanks again for your trust! Thanks again for your support!
Last Sword Miniatures
2025-05-07 14:36:51 +0000 UTCTo answer your specific question I’m very comfortable with YOUR informed speculation … You guys do great work, your sculpts are amazing, and I trust your judgement. What I’m trying to reconcile in the Saxon Line is having three sets of armored sculpts (Thegns, Ceorls, Gesith) and only two sets of light troops (Fryd and Fryd-bows). I’m looking forward to the release of the “pillage” rule set and your historical line will be the minis I use for it. I expect the unit mix (particularly for the Saxon defenders) will require more sculpts of light vs armored troops. Hence my wanting to see the Ceorls (upper peasantry) as light, unarmored troops. The other question is how you will distinguish Thegns from Gesith from armored Ceorls? Assuming the Thegns are the most armored then the armor with informed speculation could work for the Gesith. If it is used for the Ceorls how will the Gesith be armored? Regardless, whatever you decide I will happily back. I love your work. I also appreciate your willingness to interact with us. You guys are rock stars.
Cristian Cooney
2025-05-07 02:22:28 +0000 UTC
