Rogue-Like Update 8/25/2024 (So about that new pose. . .)
Added 2024-08-25 19:24:31 +0000 UTCBeen a while since I just did a discussion post. The new version might get another build or two to polish up a few things, but mostly works well. I wanted to discuss the new pose I added for Betsy, a 69 pose. People had asked for something like that a few times, and my thought had been "that seems like it would be really complicated, I'm not sure how I'll do that," but after giving it more though, I came to an idea that I thought wouldn't actually be that hard to pull off, and while it did turn out to be harder than I expected, it really wasn't that bad, and I think I can do all the rest of the girls eventually.
New polls coming:
To that end, in the near future I'm going to be doing a little poll to decide which girl should be next in line to get a 69 pose. They'll all get one eventually, probably around one added per version, alongside whatever other content I'm putting out, but I'll use polls to determine the order. They'll all likely be mostly similar to the existing one for Betsy, but of course with some variations based on their designs, similar to how the Doggy Style poses work. You'll see when Doreen's comes out next version (it's already in progress, since she's the other character I've been finishing up anyway).
I also at some point want to do a round of polls to select which characters you would like to get a "character-to-character" story scene, similar to Gwen's intro scenes. Again, I will likely do one of those per version for a while. And of course the "next girl" poll will be coming up at some point, along with a few new additions to keep things spicy. I'm not starting any of these today, so don't be looking around for a post you missed, you'll be seeing them soon and have plenty of time to contribute. I just wanted to get the word out before that.
Design discussion:
So back to that 69 pose, my original idea was really simple, just take a missionary pose and flip it upside down! Problem solved! Maybe I'd have to add a new head for them or something, but nothing too crazy. Obviously in practice this did not work out. Even the more laid back ones still just looked too wrong upside down, so I had to complete redo their upper bodies to look right in that position. I also thought that at the very least I could just reuse the lower half of their sex position, and at least in testing that worked fine, but it didn't look right either. For one thing, anything that "dangled" like a skirt or loose panties would need to be redone in some way, because they would "hang" upwards, rather than down. So that was step one.
Then of course the lighting was more noticeable than I'd hoped, they all looked lit from below, so I had to re-shade everything to be lit from the opposite direction. Still, I was able to at least reuse the outlines for a lot of the leg parts, so it was still at least slightly easier than starting from scratch. This probably won't work for all the characters though, like Jean and Emma I'm thinking I'll probably need to start from scratch with. Not sure on Storm yet, haven't given it a try.
Comments
Bug report: when licking Betsy's pussy, with a rear view, then inserting the anal plug, the plug is not lined up with her anus.
Brian Twitchell
2024-09-06 14:47:51 +0000 UTCAh, so side by side in a doggy pose? That would be possible, but not trivial, since they are designed to be centered on the screen and just moving them to the side might cause some issues, as well as it's not currently intended for two to be on screen at once, so there would be some issues like if you did anything to the main one, the partner would also have that happening to them, because they aren't currently set up to be able to tell the difference.
Oni
2024-09-01 20:12:57 +0000 UTC1. Actually, next to each other, which would not need extra design probably. Thank you for your answer, and the good work! :)
Kostas Perperas
2024-09-01 17:16:12 +0000 UTC1. You mean like a "stack?" I might be able to do something like this in some poses, but it would be tricky, because they don't all have the same pose, and some would not "fit" on top of each other. 2. I actually had this in, and will again next build, it just got broken by some other change I'd made a version back. 3. I have been thinking of adding new locations for a while, I'll see what I can do. 4. I don't plan to add a _lot_ of new clothing options, because they complicate the character sprites, and I need to do each of them in up/down variations for every pose the girl has, so it adds up. I currently commit to two basic outfits, a swimsuit, a Halloween costume, lingerie, and a sporty outfit (although sometimes this reuses suitable assets), and then maybe a piece or two extra if it makes sense. They do all have shoes now, btw, often multiple pairs, but they are only visible in their standing poses, since they would complicate the sex poses. I will add an option to view their feet easier in standing poses though. 5. I can always add some more stuff here.
Oni
2024-09-01 02:38:30 +0000 UTCOh and last idea : having "kinkier" dirty talk content, i feel we can push it a little more. What do you think?
Kostas Perperas
2024-08-31 16:03:51 +0000 UTCHi Oni, I hope you are well, thanks again for the latest version, and congratulations since it's becoming even more interesting. Might I suggest again a few gameplay elements to expand the experience a little : - Threesome Action : Having both girls keeping the pose and line up after vag/anal (would probably be compatible only with missionnary/doggy pose I guess). - Threesome Action : When a girl is going down on another, maybe use the rear view to suggest she pleasures the other one. - New location idea : Bar/Pub. Might be nice for dating, can be a way to earn some cash, having girls flashing tits to have a free drink, getting girls drunk to lower inhibitions, dancing and spike drinks with jiz to increase addiction? - More clothing options : This probably requires some boring work but i think this capacity to personalize the girls really improves the gameplay overall. I guess shoes will be coming soon also.
Kostas Perperas
2024-08-31 09:49:45 +0000 UTCSo many cool ideas! Much love, keep up with the good work Oni!
LucStash
2024-08-29 04:04:16 +0000 UTCIt definitely has to be Rogue that gets the pose. Her name is the title after all
tate burgess
2024-08-28 23:50:18 +0000 UTCHave any plans to add Magik to the game?
Glenn Lewis
2024-08-27 22:16:56 +0000 UTCUnderstandable. I see what you mean. Also any thought to fooling around with Emma or Storm at the podium during class?
CometRed06S
2024-08-27 21:16:09 +0000 UTCHey, i don't know how you feel about suggesting stuff, but i have a really cool idea i think people will love! I sent you a DM to discuss. I understand you are a busy guy, so it's just an fyi if you can find the time.
Dreamer, Dreamer
2024-08-27 20:17:51 +0000 UTCEh. . . I get that too, and want to try to optimize things a bit better at some point. The issue is just that when certain things happen, there are a LOT of checks that take place. Like any time you move locations, it needs to work out which girls will be there, it needs to make sure that their clothing is adjusted appropriately, it needs to check to see whether an "event" will take place, etc. I'm pretty sure that there are elements of this that are wasting some time here and there, but I'm not sure which. It's probably worth be going in and turning things on and off to try and figure out where the biggest slowdowns are happening.
Oni
2024-08-27 20:03:56 +0000 UTCHey Oni, I'm having trouble with delays after choosing a option in the game, usually when transitioning to a new location or getting deeper into the choices (past the first choice). It's about half a second. Is there a fix that I need or is this a software thing?
Pbos34
2024-08-27 15:39:45 +0000 UTCIt's always worth asking for stuff, because you never know what's easy or hard, or something I was already working on or whatever, a lot of great additions have been made because someone asked, and plenty of things that were asked for will never happen for all sorts of reasons, but asking never hurt. :D Although I really should do an FAQ at some point to account for some of the more common ones. As for a "hard mode," I suppose it would be possible. I could just add a multiplier to the stat checks, or reduced "payout" on stat improvements, or something, although it might not lead to a perfectly balanced experience. If you haven't already, look back through the older posts to a version I put out in. . . 2022, the "Rogue-Like Ultimate Edition," which was a standalone joke version of the game where I cranked up a lot of difficulty painpoints and added a "you died" state. I don't want to make all that part of the game, but I might be able to have a UI toggle for slightly harder progression. I will note my own design philosophy here, which is that while I enjoy a lot of the hentai games out there for how they do things, I kinda feel like their systems are a little too "gamey" to me, in that sense that you have to unlock each sex act individually. This makes sense from a game design perspective, like unlocking skills in an RPG or something, but in real human terms, these are adult women, if they are willing to do sex stuff with you, then *generally* they should be mostly flexible as to *which* sex stuff. Some girls have certain particular yeses and no's, and more publicly flagrant stuff should be less reliable, but in the bedroom, it shouldn't be some long grind from "they will touch your penis in some ways" to "they will do whatever." At least that's how I see it.
Oni
2024-08-27 02:20:26 +0000 UTCAh ok, looking forward to how everything will play out
deadman25s
2024-08-27 01:27:11 +0000 UTCYo, that's a good idea. I like it. +1
Flaxx
2024-08-27 00:38:23 +0000 UTCAll jokes aside, I hate asking for things since the wishlist is already miles long, but would it be possible to give us a " hard mode" or the option to raise the parameter thresholds for the girls? I enjoy "unlocking" the things they're willing to do but it seems to me that after a blowjob they're basically down for everything else and I wouldn't mind having to work a bit harder for other stuff. As always thank you for all your hard work, I am (and I'm guessing we all are) loving it!
Thesp
2024-08-26 20:06:18 +0000 UTCSo if I read this right this means that the VR version will be coming really soon :P
Thesp
2024-08-26 20:01:48 +0000 UTCI think introing it with Jubilee is a nice way to do it. I think it's an interesting addition for her character to bring. I might consider having some alternative though, if you somehow avoid Jubilee entirely, then at some point it would unlock through some other means. It's not like I locked it behind maxing her out or anything though.
Oni
2024-08-26 17:52:01 +0000 UTCI probably will update the title screen at some point, maybe 1.54 would be a good time, since that will "complete" Betsy and Doreen's core content. I might also try to come up with a more dynamic intro. Those scenes are actually a little tricky to put together, since the actual character art is split across all sorts of layers in multiple files, and actually putting a single "completed" character design to use in the title takes a little effort. :D
Oni
2024-08-26 17:50:50 +0000 UTCI *try* to maintain a generally consistent artstyle as best I can. Obviously the ones based on their Evo designs are more true to that show's character designs (although there are some variations), while the characters unique to that setting I've taken somewhat different styles. If I were going to go back and change anything, it would be more likely a rebuild of Rogue, actually, to better reflect all the lessons I've learned in sprite building over the years. I'm not talking a complete design change, she would still look like Evo Rogue, just maybe some changes to her poses and some details here and there. I have other priorities atm though.
Oni
2024-08-26 17:48:52 +0000 UTCThere will be a "next girl" poll in the near future, I typically do one per year.
Oni
2024-08-26 17:45:44 +0000 UTCI tend to follow a sort of "weirdness" standard? So like having a jacket or jacketlike clothing item that is open is pretty normal, but having someone walk around with a bra on that is *always* pushed up would be kinda odd? So that's why I don't have that as an option. There are certainly clothing combinations that are pretty lewd though. I should also note, just for the record, that it's not currently possible in the game's design to have a shirt "open" while the bra layer is not, they are both controlled by a single variable. I could theoretically change this but it would complicate a lot of sprite coding and also require a decent amount of new art, as the current tops all assume this to be the case, and would clip weirdly if it changed.
Oni
2024-08-26 17:45:06 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't want anything with too much of a sense of finality, and I do have content when you max out each of the three meters, but I guess I could also add a little something for maxing out all of them at once.
Oni
2024-08-26 17:40:34 +0000 UTC😱🤩🤩
MBee
2024-08-26 14:11:42 +0000 UTCAre there any plans to make a mobile version?
Drew Moore
2024-08-26 11:11:45 +0000 UTCWould you ever consider having the mall as a location from the start of the game instead of having it tied to Jubes intro?
Flaxx
2024-08-26 11:03:44 +0000 UTCWell when Kitty cums her mouth expands far too much for her face during BJ's or anything in the close-up view. Also are you willing to change the title screen again to reflect the new girls?
Jelly
2024-08-26 08:33:32 +0000 UTCYeah her front sex pose doesn't really lend itself to a foot job very well. I like the solution you came up with for Emma, putting her in a chair. Though I do certainly understand that making a whole new pose for Jean would be a lot of work.
LordPike
2024-08-26 05:53:52 +0000 UTCWdym they look hotter than the OG bitches and their faces suit their personalities
boodinbleedin
2024-08-26 04:24:17 +0000 UTCFirst off, I want to say you’ve done an INCREDIBLE job updating and maintaining this game over the years. I suppose my primary “issue” is that the facial art style “fluctuates” from character to character. Rogue, Kitty, Storm, Emma, and (mostly) Jubilee mesh together well. But others like Laura, Gwen, and Doreen unfortunately stick out like sore thumbs. I know this would be a HUGE undertaking, but is there a far-off future plan to match up the art styles more in the future?
Anon 49
2024-08-26 01:19:01 +0000 UTCI don't reaaaaally mind, as long as my main girl Kitty gets more attention, so i like that you decided to give the og girls more stuff <3
Harrington
2024-08-26 01:02:51 +0000 UTCHey so I haven't been on here in a while, so I wanted to ask if there was ever anymore thoughts on adding more girls? But as for the suggestion for the next girl to get the 69 pose, I was thinking along the lines of Rogue, Kitty or Laura
deadman25s
2024-08-26 00:33:17 +0000 UTCWhat about being able to fool around with Storm or Emma at their podium during class? Or being able to have the characters where their clothes are partly opened or removed. Like how Jubes and Gwen can have their suit and coat opened to reveal their chest. Couldn’t Storm and Emma also be an able to do this? Or be able to hike the skirt up a bit? Having them nude is nice but the tease with clothing is cool too.
CometRed06S
2024-08-25 23:32:29 +0000 UTCExtra leakage would be particularly good for when both her holes are filled XD
hornguy6
2024-08-25 23:25:24 +0000 UTCI really like this idea. Like, once special scene/option once a girl's stats are maxed
Veteran of the Mushroom Wars
2024-08-25 23:00:13 +0000 UTCWould really like to also see more "End game" content. For instance, getting Kate to max stats unlocks a scene where you can satisfy one of her "fantasy's" or something that would unlock a special accessory or clothing part.
Hungry Carrot
2024-08-25 22:30:30 +0000 UTCBasically, you lick her pussy on at least a few separate occasions, and have her blow you at least a few separate times, and then, if she's got a decent lust level, while blowing you she might suggest it. After that, you should be able to access it from the view shifting menu while doing either activity.
Oni
2024-08-25 22:28:25 +0000 UTCI could certainly expand some of the options there. They all have some unique dialogues, but also a lot of fairly "standard" ones.
Oni
2024-08-25 22:27:12 +0000 UTCi would really like to see a expansion/rework to the "Dirty Talk" system. As it is , its kinda the same across the girls, and they will kinda say the same lines regardless of their status. options for HER asking for "lets try X" or "Cum on/in me".
Hungry Carrot
2024-08-25 22:25:43 +0000 UTCI haven't been able to get the 69 pose how do I unlock it?
Saul Harrison-coupe
2024-08-25 22:10:45 +0000 UTCI have considered adding "even more cum" states, it could be a bit of work to get in there, but it could be fun. :D
Oni
2024-08-25 21:46:43 +0000 UTCHmm, maybe. It doesn't really fit in with her existing poses like it can for most girls, so it might take more work. I'll keep brainstorming the best way to do it though.
Oni
2024-08-25 21:45:02 +0000 UTCI think you could get even more mileage out of the 69 graphic by turning it into another form of doggy style for all of the girls too. You might have to do something with the dick CG but you ought to just be able to lower it in the window and do something with the torso half. Just a thought. On another topic, would you ever consider adding extra cum graphics to the thighs after a certain number of creampies? Kind of like how the girls bottoms will get damp when they're very aroused, but something that signifies just how many loads have been pumped into them that it "webs" between their thighs.
hornguy6
2024-08-25 21:41:16 +0000 UTCSpeaking of new poses for existing girls, do you have any plans to do a front facing foot job for Jean?
LordPike
2024-08-25 21:31:23 +0000 UTCAlways glad to read whats going on in your mind. How you are doing personally, and new ideas you are considering. I loved the scenes of Gwen interracting with other characters they were actually super funny. And having scenes like that of Kitty and Rogue(example) gets me very excited. If you are just starting off or already have your harem maxed out; i just find it super wholesome for your girls to get along with eachother. Also, i am really looking forward to 69 pose for more girls!!! When i first unlocked it with Betsy i was blown away(literally and figuratively 😏)
Dreamer, Dreamer
2024-08-25 21:24:10 +0000 UTCI'm glad that you'll work on existing girls. I would mostly prefer more stuff for threesomes. Would love to see them interact more
MechaWeeb
2024-08-25 20:41:16 +0000 UTCI'm hoping one day we will get third person view poses or some animations for the background girls when they join you that's not just a floating hand or tongue! Hopefully in due time!
Rain Carretero
2024-08-25 20:34:21 +0000 UTCI've been hoping for side-view poses for a while, some of the poses feel a bit awkward since you essentially have a POV from the MC's waist.
AC
2024-08-25 20:19:04 +0000 UTCI mean that streamlining will save your time and sanity a little bit. What will you spend this free time on - will be completely up to you. It any case: in your process we trust!
Darknessinged
2024-08-25 20:18:40 +0000 UTCWell, I like to stick to the idea of having the half-clothed versions of the characters, that the clothing you pick, works out across all scene type (as best I can manage it). I won't *only* be doing these 69 poses all that time though, I typically try to have 2-3 different projects spinning at a time, so other stuff will come out with each version, but this will be one of the things until I finish them up.
Oni
2024-08-25 20:12:26 +0000 UTCYet I would recommend to streamline some of poses(and make some naked only) so you won't get stuck making one pose for a few characters for months and can focus on other aspects that you want.
Darknessinged
2024-08-25 19:57:26 +0000 UTCI like the idea of working on the new poses for existing characters. We have so many of them already and they do deserve some more love. Especially when they interact between each other.
Darknessinged
2024-08-25 19:55:16 +0000 UTCIm fine with you working how fast you want, at last once a month a little Update with how are you and what keeps you awake. And im glad to read from you. ❤️
Chaosdestille
2024-08-25 19:32:17 +0000 UTC