02/03 Rogue-Like update, v0.94

Well what you could do to make the transition easier is to start the bar completely white, (with the little hashes of course). As inhibitions lower, fill the bar with Super Hot Neon Pink (from the right or left at your discretion.) An idea, what do you think Sirs?

Dinker

See, that's almost how it originally worked, the bar started full and emptied, but that was visually a bit confusing too when the other bars all start empty and fill. As for the mechanical details, basically it wasn't that hard to do, I just left it as 0-1000 behind the scenes, and all that changed was the way the display bar worked.

Oni

Last though on this, as I was approaching from a language perspective, which was fun for me. Use inhibition, but display it as a negative value. So 0 to -1000. Then nothing needs to change mechanics wise, little bar still fills up, but an increment to the variable is represented as a decrease. Honestly, I think current representation get the point across just fine, albeit in a slightly counterintuitive manner. However, increasingly large negatives could probably be viewed in a similar manner. Plus, I'm not sure how annoying a display change would be. I imagine you use something on the order of a function call that includes the variable and quantity, which would require either additional if/then complexity in the function or use of a separate function.

Lyre13

Well Oni, it's your game. I just think you have to accept that in this case what the character and Rogue are literally doing is causing her to shed a puritanical form of morality. Puritanical morality is virtuous and good. Getting rid of it is bad. I can't find a word in English that succinctly conveys that concept without it being synonymous with either licentiousness or depravity or loose morals. Because that's what the concept is. And it's not that these words are inherently bad. I mean when you get down to it cheese-making is a corruption of milk. But if we've been raised in a certain environment and we were taught english a certain way we know how broad swathes of society will view certain words. So we can either call a fig a fig and a trough a trough or... idk... pretend we're talking about a concept we're not. Along these lines I've totally corrupted my girlfriend's POV, with imgur and video games and BDSM and booty sex and she's way cooler now. :P

Dinker

Right, and that's the feeling I want to convey, but "corruption" is an inherantly negative thing, not the "positive/empowering thing" you describe, so if I called the stat "corruption" then I would be labeling it as a bad thing.

Oni

Half tempted to just start hacking in a name. :P It's such a silly, minor thing, I know. But still! Just because a girl likes sex doesn't mean it's bad. And just because some people think a word sounds bad/prejudicial doesn't mean that it has to be. I mean if the concept was taking place in a fan fiction outside of Oni's head I'm betting that Rogue would tease the player for corruptin a pure southern girl. :P I dunno, I think embracing the fact that you like things because they're fun and they don't hurt anyone else is a positive/empowering thing, especially if society says you shouldn't like/be ashamed of your body. But Oni has creative control, so whatever the Oni says, goes. Unless Oni's silly enough to open up a user poll. Then I suspect the top picks for the stats name would be "Cock Up Butt Approval" and "Cum Sluttitude" ... because groups of people are dumb.

Dinker

Indulgence might be fairly close, "Hedonism?" I don't know, the closer we get to an accurate description, the less likely people will understand them. ;p

Oni

On a related note, this is why I fail at languages other than English. I can get the right flavor of the word or concept for English, then any attempt to express a thought in Spanish is frustratingly bland or inaccurate.

Lyre13

Hmm, I'm guessing Indulgence, Decadence, Carnality and Nymphomania won't work because of negative connotation as well. Hard to avoid that connotation after all: Evil is Sexy <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsSexy" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsSexy</a> (Incidently, if I have introduced any to tvtropes through this, I apologize for loss of time due to wiki walking). More neutral options, but probably not there: Lasciviousness, Kink, Idiosyncrasy. Positive connotation, but potentially less accurate denotation: Confidence, Independence, Passion, Ardor, Elan, Vim. I sort of like Ardor there, but think it likely too abstract.

Lyre13

See, you say I'm the more eloquent, and then you pull out "Libertinism." :D But yeah, that one's probably a bit "highfalutin" for a core stat.

Oni

You're far more eloquent than I am atm. It's 4:30 AM. And I didn't want to bring this word up but it's probably the only one that doesn't have the negative connotations that every term that properly describes a fully maxed out Rogue's sexual attitudes; Libertinism. Of course the only reason it doesn't have negative connotations is because no one knows what it means. It's not about moralizing or judging the actions of the player, but literally that's what the stat represents; getting Rogue to a point where she doesn't care about the standards of sexual behavior set by society. I mean there's also impropriety, but that again has negative connotations because society doesn't approve of that behavior. I guess, if a stat means a behavior or attitude that is in fact characterized by a word it isn't prejudicial or disparaging to label that stat accurately even if the word that is being used has connotations beyond what you intend the stat to represent.

Dinker

I hold myself to my own standards! ;D I don't want to call it "corruption" because I don't think it should be a bad thing. If she's got maxed out "Inhibition" then she just has a very open mind about sexual stuff, she's not "corrupt" or "depraved," I don't think that should be considered a bad thing, it should be celebrated! And yeah, the option is there to take the "renegade" path through the game, and take some darker options available, but you can and should also max out all three stats via "paragon" options, so one of them shouldn't be viewed as "evil-izing" her. If that's how you want to frame your journey through the game then that path is available, but the game shouldn't moralize that choice for you.

Oni

I think you can safely assume that people who want to play a game where you can seduce a cartoon character by addicting her to your touch and making her pierce her nips and teach her to enjoy taking it in the pooper are ok with the word Corruption. ;) I personally like Corruption or Depravity. Though if you wanted to soft sell the idea you could go for something like Liberation or Imagination. (Though I personally think those two sound seriously silly with what the stat represents. It's like how Inhibition is sorta ok simply because it means the exact opposite of what it is.) :)

Dinker

Yeah, but see, all those have kind of negative connotations, and I want to avoid it being a bad thing. :)

Oni

I actually rather like that solution, but potential other antonyms: corruption, depravity, lewdness, debauchery, lechery, impropriety.

Lyre13

Ok, I can't be certain that I fixed that undressing dialog, but I think I took care of it. At the very least I cleared up some other problematic dialog around that area. Maybe keep a save around that point and test v0.95. My guess at this point is that it was asking if you wanted to remove her overshirt, when she wasn't actually wearing one.

Oni

For the ass slapping stuff, it does have certain diminishing returns and stuff, so you'll get less benefit out of them after a while. I'll look into the dress-up issue, I know what it is but not exactly where the issue is, basically it's trying to use the name of the thing, but the name is empty for some reason. It might help if you knew what clothing was around that item? What menu it was under? The Rogue being aggressive bit are both part of the "sex friend when actually you're dating" change I made a couple patches back, although she should be in the room with you, I think the latter should be fixed by some other changes I made. I do want to add some more dynamic actions on her part, that if you want to tell her what to do, she tends to listen, but depending on her stat balance, sometimes she'll take the initiative herself. These mechanics aren't ready yet though. You're right about the undressing dialog disconnect, I might change that around a bit, or at least have her in her sleep clothes. That'll take a little work though.

Oni

Edited in a couple more complaints I mean bug reports. :P

Dinker

I fixed the tutorial bug you mentioned (naming error). Inhibitions, yeah, I agree and had the same issues you did coming up with a proper alternative. In the earliest versions, it was actually tracked in reverse, she would start at 100% inhibition and fall to zero, while the other two started at zero and climbed, but that seemed a bit confusing.

Oni

But I can still do bug reports! :D At the beginning of the game Rogue gives you a "Nickel Tour" when she probably meant "Nickle Tour." Also when running the sexual stats tutorial I got this: While running game code: File "game/script Scenes.rpy", line 1449, in <module> NameError: name 'Focus' is not defined Also, as a suggestion, Inhibitions means how inhibited a person is. So the more inhibitions a person has the less likely they are to do sexy stuff. Might I suggest thinking about changing the name to something else? My three second off the top of my head recommendations would be Exhibitionism (which isn't exactly accurate), Perversion, Aggression, or immodesty (man, that one is cludgy.) Just a thought to noodle around. Edit for great bug reportingness! When you flirt with Rogue and slap her ass it isn't doing a +2 obedience float. (Sometimes, apparently) Did you mean to leave your debug Rogue buttons active when you released .94? Cause currently I can fiddle with her stats to my heart's desire. When you get her to undress you can try to convince her to take off just the "O" ... did you mean her choker? If so it's not being removed, in fact I'm not sure what is supposed to be removed. Woo! Rogue was being super flirty when I came into her room. "Rogue gives YOU butt a little squeeze." She got super flirty when I went into my room one time and she stole Jean Grey's powers! Without even being there "Rogue gives YOU package a little squeeze." Also when you walk into her room at night; she should probably be just getting undressed, not just getting dressed. (Who gets dressed at night? Well people with night jobs and club goers... but other than them! Well Vampires.. but come on!) :P

Dinker

Heh, so you got it? You might not want to bother though, I'm putting out a new version probably tomorrow. I just need to run a basic test to make sure I didn't create more new bugs than I fixed. ;)

Oni

... read your messages Dinker. "Why? That sounds boring!" Cause you might have a present! "oooh, I like presents, yay! Thank you Oni!" :D

Dinker

So, apparently I pledged this month and it's been paid... when do I get a build for the game?! :D

Dinker

Yeah, I've got both of those issues taken care of, for now at least. I still need to touch up a permanent fix, but it should at least no longer be "weird."

Oni

Just a heads up, I just spent a couple hours reworking the shower room and think I've got it working right now. She should no longer stay permanently moist (except in the right ways), and she should no longer be invisible after the scenes in there start. It was an issue about the game not changing where she was located when it should, annoying behind the scenes stuff.

Oni

Well, right now, you can't access the clothing menu while in public, but if her stats are high enough, you can get her to undress in her room and then go out like that. I believe you can also activate the "dance for me" and get her to strip in public, but I believe she'd put her clothes back on at the end of that. Fair point though, I'll try to add in the option to change her outfits in public once she's truly shameless.

Oni

Just curious, I've played some of the previous builds and I was wondering if it is actually possible to get Rogue to the point where she will be willing to undress in public and if so what stat determines that.

Arcturus

And one more I found when she's in her gym stuff without the purple top. Doggy style with her ends up with a black box covering her up when her arousal level gets too high.

NegimaSensei

nevermind, it was my browser that was causin the prob

murray quill

Huh. . . that shouldn't be anything I did, is it maybe the mac version on a PC or vice-versa? Let me google that. . .

Oni

can't get mine to load, keep getting a archive.rpi is missing

murray quill

Lol, that's actually an issue with the showers, she never towels off. ;) I've fixed that for the next build though.

Oni

After I bumped into her at the Gym she is constantly covered in like sweat. LOL

There's also another missing call when you tell her to leave after she comes to you twice asking you to touch her. Specifically the one where she tells you she figured out what was causing the buzz

NegimaSensei

Ok, thanks, I'll take care of that. She's technically "there," it's just missing a call to display her sprite. Thanks to you guys I've been able to swat down a lot of these things, I'll probably have a new patch ready this weekend.

Oni

That's intended, something I was toying with. She keeps the pink shirt on when she's a bit more shy, takes it off once she opens up a bit. I might change it to something else later.

Oni

small bug i called rogue to the gym and she wore her purple top on top of the gym clothes or is she supposed to wear it, also if it is i recommend just making the gym outfit in 2 forms: form 1 covers a lot of skin, form 2 more skin shows

Shadow

small bug i called rogue to the gym and she wore her purple top on top of the gym clothes or is she supposed to wear it

Shadow

Here's a vid. <a href="https://gfycat.com/WarpedUglyKrill" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://gfycat.com/WarpedUglyKrill</a>

NegimaSensei

Yo, thanks for the update. Just a quick thing I noticed that didn't give me any errors but was obviously not meant to happen - Started a new game, went full asshole mode on her, rejected her, then hung out in the showers for the first day. She showed up to class soaking wet in her regular clothes, so I left, found her in the showers the next day, and then when she was supposed to be there she wasn't. Just the number things and the option to have her flash. Then she showed up in a towel after I asked her to stick around.

NegimaSensei

1. Yes, although I suppose I could expand those options a bit. This is a system that I plan on expanding further with Kitty as well (which would retroactively apply to Rogue). 2. That option should still be there, but you need to reach a certain point to unlock it.

Oni

Good point. Fixed.

Oni

During the tutorial where is explains the core relationship stats it still mentions 100 instead of 1000. Where is says "If you can reach 100 in all three stats" if that helps.

Staris

Ahh, I see I see. So, two bug related questions then. 1. I tried putting her Inhibitions past 1000 and she still runs away when other students see you, is that normal? Is there just no other option or instance in which other students don't catch you in the act? 2. I got caught by Xavier's telepathy again but in the last version there was an option to have Rogue take over his powers and make him stop bothering you and I didn't get it to come up this time around. Did you (temporarily) remove it or did it bug out and disappear?

hornguy6

No problem, I'm glad I could help.

Arcash

Ok, yup, that was just me being stupid, a miscapitalized variable. ;) I went through and fixed all those. For the record, you see where it says "full traceback?" I usually only end up needing the bit right above that to figure out what went wrong. Thanks.

Oni

While running game code: KeyError: u'R_petname' -- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------ Full traceback: File "script Locations.rpyc", line 80, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "script Locations.rpyc", line 80, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "Rogue_Addiction.rpyc", line 1279, in script call File "script Locations.rpyc", line 173, in script call File "script Locations.rpyc", line 173, in script call File "script Locations.rpyc", line 275, in script call File "Rogue_Chat.rpyc", line 140, in script call File "Rogue_Sex.rpyc", line 65, in script call File "Rogue_Toys.rpyc", line 423, in script File "C:\Users\Arcash\Downloads\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\renpy\ast.py", line 593, in execute renpy.exports.say(who, what, interact=self.interact) File "C:\Users\Arcash\Downloads\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\renpy\exports.py", line 1021, in say who(what, interact=interact) File "C:\Users\Arcash\Downloads\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\renpy\character.py", line 817, in __call__ what = what_pattern.replace("[what]", sub(what, translate=translate)) File "C:\Users\Arcash\Downloads\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\renpy\character.py", line 799, in sub return renpy.substitutions.substitute(s, scope=scope, force=force, translate=translate)[0] File "C:\Users\Arcash\Downloads\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\Rogue-Like-0.94-win\renpy\substitutions.py", line 229, in substitute s = formatter.vformat(s, (), kwargs) File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 543, in vformat File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 565, in _vformat File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 626, in get_field File "/home/tom/ab/x64lucid-deps/install/lib/python2.7/string.py", line 585, in get_value KeyError: u'R_petname' Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1 Ren'Py 6.99.4.467 Rogue-Like 0.94

Arcash

Ok then, so the basic actions might be intended, but it shouldn't throw an error, so I'll have to see what's causing that. Does it say what the exception is? Like a line number or something? A screenshot of the error screen would be nice too, otherwise I can just try to replicate it myself. And yeah, I like the wet look myself, but it's intended to only appear in the shower and then clear itself off, so there's something a bit odd there.

Oni

Just wanted to say I also have the "always soaking wet" bug. And not wet in the fun way ;)

hornguy6

Yup, and potentially even other Marvel characters or even DC ones if I feel like it. The first few will be X-Men though.

Oni

Just so I understand this correctly, this is called Rogue-Like, but eventually you intend to expand to the other female students of Xavier's academy?

hornguy6

When it happened it went like this. Touch pussy -> shift actions -> want to stick dildo -> keep going -> cum -> repeat -> begins to get tired and tells you -> keep going and she keep telling to finish up a few times in a row-> throw exception -> ignore -> sex session has ended. Happens always i did it but it's not game breakin at all. The wet thing, nice adition by the way, is not a problem since can be removed with the cheat options and the over stats doesn't seem to cause problems. The schelude thing was just to mention that the trainning option throws an exception even if its not activated. Being honest i did not read the notes until i had played for a while :P, i did not read that it was not meant to work until i tried it for it few times. Not very important since you are not suposed to use it yet but i always "need" to try all the options.

Arcash

She is intended to start at 500, that's meant to be "neutral", whereas any love status below 500 is treated as "dislike" and anything below around 300 is more like "hate." All events are balanced around the idea that she should have at least 500/3000 points right off the bat. It should still be tricky to push this up to 900+ though, and if that's not the case then I can continue to tweak how quickly it's gained. It's also worth noting for the record that other characters might start with a different balance, but will typically be balanced around this 500 point baseline. Kitty, for example, will likely start with 400 Love and 100 Obedience, as she is less prone to like you out of the gate, but more open to authority.

Oni

Yeah, like I said in the notes, the schedule just plain doesn't work in .94, it will in .95 though. I've also seen the wet thing, definitely not working right but should be easy to square away. The over 1000 stats, that shouldn't stick around very long, but it is possible for them to rise above 1000 occasionally for brief periods of time, it doesn't stick around too long, does it? I'm not sure about the dildo issue, is that when you're trying to use it as the primary action, or the offhand action? Does it always occur, or only some of the time? She should, for example, get tired after multiple actions in a row, is that when it happens, or first thing?

Oni

Hey something I've been wondering - is Rogue meant to start on 500 love? It kinda makes the early game a little too easy...

JoeForest

I noticed a few things also. The first is in the schedule for custom outfits, the weekdays seem to do nothing no matter what you click and the training wear option throws a exception that can be ignored. Another exception appears when you touch her using a dildo and she grows tired and force exits you of the scene. Again yo can ignore it and continue playing. That is for exceptions, also noticed some instances of values over 1000 on the stats. Finally, maybe it's me but could it be that once she gets into wet(shower) mode she stays like that forever? I let pass a few days but she always look like she just came out of the shower.

Arcash

Ok, the tutorial bug was a stupid one on my part, easily fixed. I couldn't get the first vid to play, it says it was corrupt, but I think I might know what could cause something like that. Was it that you got caught and then it didn't seem to work right? I just tweaked that in response to a bug someone else reported. And btw, the her being wet thing is also a bug I'm going to have to pin down, probably an easy fix, but I need to track down where it's being caused (something to do with the showers). As for the addiction thing, yeah, it's a number of different bugs at play. She's "invisible" because she isn't technically in the room, and my event caller shouldn't have started the scene like that, it should have just told you that she wanted to talk and only launch when you were both in one of your rooms together. Messed that up, but should be fixed now. I'll also do some more tweaking in there to double check, and also make it so that there are some built in delays to prevent her bothering you constantly, I can at least cut it down to once per day, and eventually she should settle down if you really want to stay out of contact. Love the "pointer acting," btw, and thanks for the vids, they really cleared things up. I'm probably going to be putting out a new version by the end of the week with corrections to the simpler bugs that have been coming across.

Oni

Here's some videos for glitches I encountered (the rest weren't posted in that previous message for some reason) - Rogue "runs away but is still there but won't have sex with you" - <a href="https://my.mixtape.moe/gwjrem.mp4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://my.mixtape.moe/gwjrem.mp4</a> - "Sexual Stats" bug and the aforementioned repeating addiction bug - <a href="https://my.mixtape.moe/nfgcal.mp4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://my.mixtape.moe/nfgcal.mp4</a> Also, I think it's worth noting that the addiction glitch-loop has been happening even in .91 (the version I first played)

Peeves

Well that's not good. ;) Probably something not clearing properly. I also heavily tweaked how addiction clears out due to actions, so it might be that it's just building up way faster than you can reasonably reduce it, in which case I might need to pull it back a bit. Are you getting to a scene that starts with "Hey, so we figured out what's causing this buzz."? That's meant to be a repeated sequence, but it shouldn't be happening too often. I should probably also put in some sort of failsafe for if you deliberately choose to NEVER give her a fix, without her bothering you at every turn. This system has been on the backburner for a bit, since the way the previous systems worked, most players didn't need to mess with it much.

Oni

Current bugs encountered: If you start a game, selecting the most beneficial options in the intro section, let Rogue's addiction grow until she drags you in to her room, and reject her as much as you can, the game starts glitching pretty heavily. I'm talking her dragging you into your room for addiction every single action you take, becoming invisible, and repeating the menu after saying dialogue that infers you being done with the action.

Peeves

Report away! You can either list them here if you think they're worth discussing with others, or just message me with them if you prefer. When a bug occurs, it usually goes to a blue crash dialog, which will say things like the line where the error occurred. There will be a block at the top, and then a "full traceback." Usually the most important line is the one right before it says "full traceback," and will say something like file"something", line ###, that bit is usually the most important, so if you can tell me that, that's great. Or send a link to a screenshot of the error screen, or just describe what you were doing at the time and I'll try to replicate it. Whatever's convenient is helpful.

Oni

What's the procedure for reporting bugs?

Peeves

Oh I cannot wait until I get my link.

Arcturus