A Prince of House Targaryen Chapter 69 (A Golden Flower)
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Fujiin F
2023-09-08 07:51:38 +0000 UTCFigure of speech ok I get that, and that talk of “come out and die” well it doesn’t necessarily have to lead to the death penalty, it could end up leading to a life in prison with or without parole. Look I really wasn’t trying to start a conflict or an argument when I first commented on this chapter and the next one after, it feels like this whole thing has a gotten out of control. I don’t understand how someone simply commenting their opinion turns into a full blown debate, can we please just end this because this is getting old and we just have to agree to disagree.
Mason Talbert
2023-07-18 04:01:23 +0000 UTCBecause you're looking at it from 21st century perspective... and using 21st century legal system. That said, pulling a stunt like Brandon's could potentially get you killed even in this day and age. I mean, what do you think would be a response from Secret Service if someone armed, while leading a group of armed men entered White House and started screaming for someone to "come out and die", let alone if that person if member of First Family? As for Rickard... it was a figure of speech. He was forced to call Trial by Combat to determine his innocence (not Brandon's... his!) when charged with treason due to Brandon's actions.
Ripe
2023-07-17 23:14:57 +0000 UTCI cannot for the life of me see people killing each other over something like that and I’m confused I thought Rickard was burned alive by the mad king while Brandon had a rope tied around his neck and accidentally strangled himself trying to reach a for a sword to save himself and his father
Mason Talbert
2023-07-17 22:34:56 +0000 UTCThey couldn't... Rikard Stark cannot allow a person to live after they marched into his halls armed and demanded his heir to come out and die anymore than Aerys (or any other King or Lord Paramount) could! And Barbery's father couldn't demand anything since it's a huge question if he'd be able to keep his head due to how justice worked in medival times (which is era that Martin based Westeros on). Which is also why Rikard lost his head...
Ripe
2023-07-17 21:34:48 +0000 UTCWell either way I’m sure they could have worked it out without someone getting executed in the case of Lady Barbery, her father could have just demanded that they marry to end the conflict, and as far as Aerys the 2nd goes I can only see Brandon being burned alive because the mad king was not merciful at all so I don’t see how he could have survived when it came to his demands about Rhaegar
Mason Talbert
2023-07-17 15:48:31 +0000 UTCWhat Brandon did was suicidal regardless of whether Rhaegar is guilty or not. There is no set of circumstances where he does that and suffer no consequence. No matter who is the King. Best case scenario, he get send to Night's Watch. And while Rikard would most certainly handle things better than Aerys, end result would be the same: Barbery's brother would loose his head and her father might get to keep his if he manage to prove his son acted against his orders.
Ripe
2023-07-17 14:12:24 +0000 UTCI was not saying he was right in taking Jon away I’m saying he was right in his suspicions over people seeing him as a threat to Aegon. I can’t see people not seeing Jon as a threat to Aegon regardless on if he grew up with the Targaryens or not and regardless on if he was a baby or not I don’t see how that makes any difference especially where Oberyn is concerned. I admit Brandon demanding that Rhaegar be punished for something he didn’t do from the Mad King was foolish but he wouldn’t have done that if Lyanna hadn’t ran off with Rhaegar and somehow the lie that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna spread throughout Westeros. As for the Ryswells I’m not sure what would have happened because that’s from 2 different perspectives, though one thing is for certain I’m very confident that Rickard Stark would have handled it Better than Aerys the 2nd.
Mason Talbert
2023-07-17 00:52:50 +0000 UTCOh yes, Brandon and Rickon's death is on Brandon... the moment he rode into Red Keep demanding Rhaegar came out and die his life was forfieted. Best case scenario, he'd be sent to Night's Watch and that is with a sane King, not Aerys who was completely insane by that point. What do you think Rickard Stark would do if Barbry Ryswells brothers rode into Winterfell and demanded Brandon come out and die?
Ripe
2023-07-17 00:39:38 +0000 UTCNo, he wasn't right. People plotting NOW when Aemon appeared out of nowhere with a huge dragon (not to mention direwolf and eagle), disrupting and potentially completely demolishing all the plans they made for last 15 years, cannot be used to determine how those same people would act when Aemon was a baby...
Ripe
2023-07-17 00:34:18 +0000 UTCWell Ned really was right in his concern about people plotting about Jon’s existence and of course it’s both Oberyn and the Tyrells, I really wish the Targaryens would see that Ned did have a point in why he hid Jon from them and the rest of the world. (Even if it was an unspoken attempt at getting back at Lyanna for running off with Rhaegar, not doing her duty, and starting a war, and indirectly causing the deaths and murder of both their Father and big Brother).
Mason Talbert
2023-07-16 21:22:19 +0000 UTC
