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Lonesome Dove Lecture: The Valley of Death (Chapters 26-74)

"It's all right, though," Augustus said. "It's mostly bones we're riding over, anyway. I'm told that over in the Old Country you can't dig six feet without uncovering skulls and leg bones and such. People have been living there since the beginning, and their bones have kinda filled up the ground."

Today we are discussing the second part of Larry McMurtry's masterful Lonesome Dove. We are meeting even more compelling characters, continuing to wrestle with the deepest themes of the human condition, and riding on with our crew of friends.

We're discussing vigilante justice vs law and order, remembering death in order to live, the mundane reality of mortality, how to map out your hero's journey, the American Sublime, talk as an antidote to grief, chains of thoughtless actions, lost love, friendship, and much more.

Please feel free to listen before, during, or after your reading and enjoy the work at the pace that best suits you. You do not need to have read all of these chapters to enjoy the discussion as I am keeping only to plot details revealed in the second part of the novel.

Timestamps:

0:00 meeting the characters of Fort Smith

4:00 my technique for meeting characters

7:00 July Johnson and Roscoe Brown

10:00 delaying the call to adventure

13:00 Aristotle’s art of living ethically 

15:00 Peach as voice of vigilante justice

18:00 Jake Spoon’s unromantic downfall

20:00 remember death in order to live

21:00 the women of McMurtry’s world

23:00 what does it mean to be a hero?

25:00 the duty of being a human being

28:00 the painful backstory of Elmira 

32:00 July & Roscoe’s journeys begin

34:00 two options are no options at all

36:00 the mundane reality of mortality

38:00 mapping out your hero’s journey

40:00 being in the belly of the beast

42:00 meaning in the battleground of life

44:00 a great storm hits the cattle drive

46:00 the power of near death experiences 

48:00 McMurtry & the American Sublime

51:00 physical pain is emotional pain

53:00 Augustus on the shortness of life

55:00 the lost love of Clara Allen

57:00 why did Gus delay his journey?

59:00 the first death on the cattle trail

1:01:00 talk it through vs get over it

1:03:00 the character of Louisa Brooks

1:05:00 the chain of thoughtless actions

1:08:00 numbered days of the human race

1:10:00 ‘the grave’s our destination’

1:12:00 why talk’s the way to kill grief

1:14:00 life philosophy of Gus McCrae

1:16:00 fate as consequence of actions

1:18:00 Bolivar leaves the cattle drive

1:20:00 Gus vs disrespectful bartender

1:22:00 ‘I guess they forgot about us’

1:24:00 taking moral inventory of life

1:25:00 justice as duty to community

1:26:00 The Last Picture Show film

1:28:00 the visit to Clara’s Orchard

1:30:00 Call as the father of Newt

1:32:00 Lorena Wood & Gus McCrae

1:36:00 the antagonist of Blue Duck

1:40:00 kidnapping of Lorena Wood

1:41:00 The Searchers film appreciation

1:45:00 riding through the valley of death

1:48:00 Augustus in the heat of action

1:52:00 Gus collides with July & Roscoe

1:54:00 Call fears the death of his friend

1:56:00 July Johnson buries his friends

1:57:00 Gus warns against vengeance

2:00:00 Jake Spoon proves a coward

2:02:00 we are who we associate with

2:06:00 the Spoon saga gets worse

2:08:00 you make your own chances

2:10:00 hung by friends vs enemies

2:12:00 your thoughts on the novel?

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Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will cover up to and including chapter one hundred and two of the story, which takes us through part three and to the powerful close of this saga.

This coming weekend, we will be discussing our next Greek tragedy with Oedipus Rex by Sophocles, which means the following weekend we will be back to Lonesome Dove. As always, if you're running these reads at the same time, it would be great to know how you're finding that experience.

Questions for You:

1) How did you feel about of the new cast of characters?

2) What does this novel teach us about love and friendship?

3) What did you make of the events of this part of Lonesome Dove?

4) What series of choices and events led you to where you are now?

5) 'Anything gets boring if you talk about it enough. Even death.' Do you agree with how Gus gets through grief?

If this is your first reading of Lonesome Dove, I would love to know how the story is meeting your expectations. If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to the story? And please do share with us your favourite passage from the second part of the story.

Happy reading, everybody!

Lonesome Dove Lecture: The Valley of Death (Chapters 26-74)

Comments

I finished today and I feel an emptiness inside. I’m so sad. I think I need to sit with my feelings and thoughts about the characters.

Susan Kelley

I made my dad and father in law read this novel because I simply cannot stop talking about it. It’s my entire personality. I wonder if the rest of the saga is just as good. Has anyone read it? I purchased Streets of Laredo on kindle because it was on sale but I am scared to start because I don’t want it to ruin Lonesome Dove for me. I was so sad when Roscoe, Joe and Janey died. I was heartbroken. I think Roscoe might come off as unlikeable but I loved him. Him being paired with Janey was just brilliant. I just finished the book last week and I am heartbroken. I miss these characters so much. I am planning a reread during the summer.

Marina Swartz

I keep telling my family they should read this. I can’t explain why I am enjoying this so much. Mc Murtry is an amazing storyteller.

Christina Munson

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Gail Rothschild

Jeanya, I used Gifford and still recommend it, but you're right it can be a little tedious and too far into the weeds. I haven't a copy of this, but by many accounts the new gold standard seems to be Annotations to James Joyce's Ulysses edited by Slote, Mamigonian and Turner (Oxford Univ Press, 2024). At 1424 pages, it's a doorstopper. I may have to invest in it myself. I also have Patrick Hastings's The Guide to James Joyce's Ulysses, it's good (and a featherweight 328 pages!). Sounds like you're looking for an exhaustive guide though, so the Oxford is probably for you. Let me know if you acquire it!

Yoknapatawpha

I agree. The last thing he did was the best, saving his friends from doing it

Jaye Cee

I don't know why I waited so long to read this book. I intended to when it first came out! Every element is close to perfect. I read it and listened to the brilliantly narrated audio version. The juxtaposition with the Orestaia is brilliant. Both powerful treatments of the theme of justice... And so much more.

Aida Farrell

Me too, Susann!

Paula Baker

I wish we could have pictures on here but can imagine your horse farm.

CoffeePlease

I’m almost done with the book and I do not want it to end though it is getting sadder by the page. 😭😭😭

Susan Kelley

I just finished Part 2 yesterday, and haven't watched the video yet. But man, it gutted me. Roscoe was my new favorite character. I wanted so bad for him to go back to the widow farmer and start a whole new life. And Jake Spoon - an infuriating character who showed his humanity in his last moments. You can see why people would want to like him, and then be perpetually disappointed. (I just had to get those thoughts off my chest!)

S.B.E.

I’ll avoid spoilers but some part 2 moments were TOUGH. This is entering cannon tier for me and may read all four in the cycle just to spend more time in this world

Sean

I first read this amazing book as a 34 year old hot shot and now again as an old 74 year old with a horse farm west of Fort Worth. My best friend is buried in the cemetery near me where Oliver Loving (Gus) is buried. What a different ride it's been. Larry McMurtry understood old men even in his 50s when he wrote this.

Skinner

Great session Ben! This is such a great book, an amazing journey for the characters and for me as well. It's bringing so much to my life right now!

Bruna


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