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I have no regrets. Gotta mercilessly crush the hopes and dreams of a few million souls to make an H-omelette, and all that.

My advice would be to not get overly caught up on the question example. It was just that, an example I came up with on the spot while writing the question. Mainly, I just wanted it to differentiate between the two choice options, which it did. Again, I know that most people fall in the middle of those two extremes, but when creating a survey, offering a middle option generally will make the question moot, as almost everyone will simply select that and you'll be back at square one.

YummyTiger Gaming

Those examples are fine since she gains something in return. Aylia being given those choices means she’s on the fence, pondering what she has to do versus what she will obtain. And if her corruption is high enough she can choose to do more, gaining more. All of that is coherent with a reluctant behavior, where she doesn’t want to but still accepts because of the advantages. However, I was discussing choices more in line with the example for the poll, where she willingly does more without gaining more in return. That specific case doesn’t make sense to me: she’s hesitant, embarrassed, she barely accepts to go on her knees and she probably does it because she thinks there is more at stake than her self-centered virtue, but suddenly she goes “yeah! Remove my dress and play with my naked boobs!”. Something is wrong here even without any character development. And when I talk about her environment, I don’t mean the player makes no choice, for instance if Aylia makes a bet with Triste, the player can choose to let her lose. That’s what I call her environment, things she doesn’t decide (but maybe the player does) that influence what happen to her. It doesn’t mean Aylia cannot be badass either, but the environment becomes important ESPECIALLY if Aylia is badass. It where the fun is, she’s feared and respected, nobody even dare to look her in the eyes but on a regular basis she’s stuck in a situation where she has to let Bogwort has his way with her.

Darian

Yes, I know. Pseudolurker ruins everything! I mean, good God, there is a red ink crisis in 3rd world countries due to his overuse of the substance! :-)

YummyTiger Gaming

I personally have only voted 8,462 times in polls for this game to date.

Ah, I understand what your saying. Yet, even in a reluctant situation, Aylia still has choice. Say she has the option to "bribe" a guard in order to gain access. Ultimately, she could decide the access is simply not worth it and choose not to bribe him at all. Or, she could decide that it is worth the risk of being arrested and attack the guard. Those are still choices, but she could also reluctantly give in and "bribe" the guard. As a player, you have some control of which of those options she chooses. And, those a big choices. Additionally, if she is corrupt enough, maybe she is willing to pull her top down to just get it over with quicker. But, maybe she decides not too because giving the bastard a blowjob is enough. Again, she still has choice (and as such, the player). I never intended for Aylia to simply be driven by her environment, she is meant to develop a personality throughout the game. If the player wants to take her down the badass route, they can. Heck, she may still reluctantly give in to some situations even if she is a badass after weighing the pros and cons, but again, I want there to be some choice here. At this point, there has only been a very tiny bit of character development (a 15 minute prologue), so I don't know that anything is going to "break her character," because we don't fully know her character yet. And, if I have my way, her character will at least partially be dependent on player choices.

YummyTiger Gaming

Hmm, I’m not sure I explained my opinion correctly, reading your replies I don’t think I was understood but maybe it’s just me. I will do it again just to be sure. I think your question was misleading. You asked whether H scene should be entirely determined by Aylia’s corruption or not. After reflection, I’m OK either way. But, if the player is to be given a choice, then I disagree with your example, where Aylia is somehow in control. I’m not saying the player shouldn’t be given any choice during H scenes, I’m saying that -Aylia- should not be able to choose how far she goes during H scenes. IF a choice is to be given to the player, it should be either: A choice made by someone else in the story, like Bogwort. A choice made by Aylia but between two things equally embarrassing. Aylia shouldn’t be given a choice between a small thing and a big thing since it doesn’t make sense. She’s reluctant, she should always take the small thing. However, it doesn’t mean the player can’t select the big thing, he just has to do it in an indirect way, by influencing her environment. But making Aylia willingly doing the big thing when she could have done the small thing would contradict her expected behavior. Even assuming she could (by giving her choices) would break her character. And yes, I was being sarcastic, otherwise I would be an egotistical asshole. I am, but usually I keep it for my friends. Who are all gone, since I am an egotistical asshole. Stupid friends.

Darian

Oh yes, I read it the wrong way - I still think scold and tease show two vastly different psychological states, but obviously I can't quite get the full picture since only you know exactly how the game works --- and anyway, all this player choice stuff is, I bet, quite difficult to juggle. I guess I'm just more a fan of linear experiences.

Well, given the number of people participating. I don't think multiple votes are screwing things up too much. I'm operating on an honor system here, so I'm hoping people will hold themselves accountable and not try to mess up a free English game.

YummyTiger Gaming

I concur, I'm REALLY hoping to get this done. Got about 2 weeks...

YummyTiger Gaming

@Egon: The scene I described did not have a blowjob/no blowjob choice. Not sure where you guys are pulling that from. Her corruption level determines if the scene takes place, the player choice is how it progresses from there (also still based on corruption).

YummyTiger Gaming

I don't think you're understanding the h-scene mechanics here. Pseudolurker is more on point with how things will play out. Corruption will still play a role, as it is a primary theme behind the game. But, as she becomes more corrupt, the player is given choices to how the scene progresses, as opposed to corruption being the only decision-maker. This still very much allows for her to be reluctant, and in fact, she is quite reluctant to do most anything at the beginning. In fact, your later example seems to be more player choice driven than what I am referring to. As for the rest of it, I'm assuming you were being sarcastic :-)

YummyTiger Gaming

Thanks for the update, keep up the good work!

MorningWight

I don't really see an issue with having Aylia's Pride / corruption level determine whether choices exist, and then letting the player decide. From the impression I have, as Aylia's corruption increases (via past events, as events and choices have been mentioned as the sole driver of corruption), then more choices become available. Each player then gets to select how enthusiastic she is about the corruption, which enhances replayability - one doesn’t need to skip initial scenes to see what the lower-corruption version of a later scene is, and so forth. Now, if the blowjob scene in question happens to be the first non-nudity H that Aylia encounters, and it’s with a character she doesn’t find attractive, I can see some potential problems with choices like teasing the guy with a boobie show suddenly being available. I doubt that’s the case, however. All that being said: YT, boo to delaying the game for more art! Art is the LAST thing I play H-games to see – especially quality art! What next, adding even more possible H-scenes? Sheesh! Just steal some random H images from other works and stuff them in the game like some jumbled, discordant slideshow, where the main character’s hair and body proportions change for every frame!

I completely agree with the second paragraph. The excitement is gone when you're able to decide for Aylia, since it hinges on Aylia's reluctance/coercion. I, as the player, in no way feel any reluctance when deciding to let Aylia blow some guy, and just knowing that I am somehow influencing Aylia's decisions (and character) so directly is very detrimental to the overall immersion, since it causes the believability of Aylia as a real person to vanish completely. I guess one possible solution could be to let the choices be much more subtle. Instead of having some quite obvious Blowjob or No Blowjob choices, the choices could perhaps be less obvious as to the consequences. I also don't think the choices should be completely character breaking.. the scold and tease choices seem too far apart, IMO, and it doesn't seem realistic that they reflect the same person.

Hey mate, thanks for the heads up, now boarding the Hype Train

Furanky

Okay...

Hurr

Thanks for the update! Also, I'm glad you're taking your time and not rushing things! A September release would be awesome nonetheless!

Hurr

The only thing that poll proofs is that people disagreeing with me are wrong. Next time you should do a poll where only people thinking like me are allowed to vote, it would make results a lot easier to interpret with only 100% or 0%, proving once again that people disagreeing with me are wrong. I have one comment about the first question (not the result). I don’t have a problem with “the player” having a choice, I have a problem with “Aylia” making the call. From what I understood, most of the time she’s supposed to be reluctant, trapped in a situation where she could in theory say no but she would lose too much by doing so. If she can willingly go further she’s clearly not reluctant. It would destroy the whole point of the situation story wise and create a dissonance in the player’s mind about Aylia’s character. I can see 2 ways to give the player a choice without Aylia being able to decide how far it goes: An intervention from Bogwort (or someone else), like during the blowjob given as an example he can stay quite or tell the guy to check her boobs. A choice for Aylia between 2 evils, for example if she has to be naked in public she can try covering herself in modesty, looking shy and embarrassed, or she can endure the situation, arms along her body, trying to retain her dignity and aplomb the best she can. In conclusion, not only I should be the one answering the poll but I should also write the questions. Obviously it would be so much better for everyone.

Darian

Good luck finishing the artwork in September. I look forward to the release, and the various changes you plan to make to the game as time goes on sound quite interesting.

Mizu

Thanks for the heads up on your work can't wait for the picture even though i choose to be surprise can't help it lol. I will take Quality over rushing any time like some of the games on patron. One think with the polls that i realized when you make it on that site you can vote as many times as you want which can screw up the numbers not saying that happening here but just wanted to let you know. Don't know if there is a better option out there though.