Thomas Takes the Podcast Back
Added 2024-02-08 05:31:09 +0000 UTC#T3PB babyyyyyy!
Due to several good court thingies, this podcast is now hosted by Thomas Smith. Not too much can be said, but this episode contains a bit of how we got here, and the plan for the future.
If you'd like to support the show, please pledge at patreon.com/law and get your hands on the first lawsode with Matt Cameron! Plus lots of bonus things coming.
For the time being, any profit over and above the costs of operating the show, will go towards repair and accountability.
Comments
Happy to be back!
The Rule Against Poopiturdities
2024-02-28 23:35:26 +0000 UTCOH MY GOD this is the best news I've heard this week. I've listened to the first 4 episodes with Thomas and WOW is it better than ever. When the schism opened I thought the magic was lost. Thomas and Andrew seemed to have great chemistry and I figured the show was kaput. I could not be happier to have been proven COMPLETELY wrong. I am enjoying this show in a whole new way without all of the "I'm clearly smarter than my audience" energy Andrew had on offer. I've got nothing against Liz but the show really didn't need two hosts with that same energy so I stopped listening to that duo pretty quickly. The new legal experts are so pleasantly level headed and reasonable. They are willing to admit gray area without framing it as two different extremes.
Drew Vogel
2024-02-28 21:04:28 +0000 UTCI haven't listened to the show since everything went down. I was supposed and overjoyed when you appeared on GAM with the incredible news! Happy to be back š„°
Friday Spangenberg
2024-02-27 13:13:59 +0000 UTCRe-joining because Thomas got control of the show reinstated. Thanks Thomas for what youāve been going through on at least my behalf. Its good to be home.
Andrew H
2024-02-19 06:51:57 +0000 UTCHe feared it because it was the rightful consequences for his actions.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-14 20:32:38 +0000 UTCWelcome to the new Opening Arguments! Now featuring decent audio engineering (and humans).
Section B
2024-02-14 18:34:55 +0000 UTCI have a habbit of supporting Thomas on a new podcast venture. I guess this counts as much as any.....
MarsQuibus
2024-02-14 16:17:32 +0000 UTCWelcome back; Thomas. Iām fairly sure I was a patreon back in the day, I know I quit listening long ago because I couldnāt stand Andrew. So glad you got this back, OA was the only show of yours I didnāt listen to.
Tina McCormick
2024-02-14 15:48:13 +0000 UTCI'm back too :)
A Stitch Too Far
2024-02-14 11:32:34 +0000 UTCIām back baby!
Athelstan
2024-02-14 10:20:28 +0000 UTCUh, he admitted what happened.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-13 14:06:09 +0000 UTCWow, welcome back man and have a resub! Not to pile in on the peeing contest here, but since you mention a critical perspective... Andrew had some very impressive predictions on the intersection of law and politics, but the wide-eyed naive view of law and justice he brought truly was one of the few weak points of the old show. After hearing the first episode I'm really looking forward to this. Looks to be some great stuff!
AntiTecLudditeLookingForwardToEliFallingForBCagain
2024-02-12 18:15:26 +0000 UTCThat was a thought Iād had, is this the kind of audience that AT had built up since, or is it self-selecting since they are willing to overlook what happened for content? Either way I wanted nothing to do with them.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-12 15:48:10 +0000 UTCResubbed because Thomas took the podcast back. If AT had been acting in good faith he would have immediately posted the entire story that clearly and unambiguously showed that he was in the right. That didn't happen, because he wasn't. What's shocking is the Andrew defenders in the comments. Guess you don't have to be very progressive to listen to a progressive legal podcast but it's still incredibly jarring to see
Archer
2024-02-12 08:10:51 +0000 UTCI needed this podcast but without Andrew this is no better than Legal Eagle or Aisle 45. I take issue with your characterization of events, Thomas, but if your response is anything like the assault allegation you completely forgot about in the episode above, than I don't expect a mature response.; let alone a better explanation than a vague reference to a Reddit thread.
Fame and fortune guaranteed in the state of Tintucky
2024-02-12 01:26:56 +0000 UTCI wish so far it looks like TS just kicked Andrew out, exactly like Andrew feared a year ago with the lockout.
Fame and fortune guaranteed in the state of Tintucky
2024-02-12 01:18:21 +0000 UTCI agree. I'm not absolving Andrew for drunk texting and acting 20 years younger than his age but the podcast was Andrew. It was a Boomer Law nerd teaching Millenial law geeks.
Fame and fortune guaranteed in the state of Tintucky
2024-02-12 01:15:46 +0000 UTCGlad to finally be able to support OA! Was ready to do so about a year ago, but my timing proved to be bad :) Supported SIO instead, now OA is my second.
Liam Child
2024-02-11 23:29:41 +0000 UTCYou sound absolutely insufferable.
Daniel Noffsinger
2024-02-11 22:29:15 +0000 UTCThis Thomas!
127dot0dot0dot1
2024-02-11 21:59:00 +0000 UTCDisagree about TS. I might have agreed about AT last week. Now with a new law talking guy, and a law talking gal (one who doesn't just repeat what AT says in a more complicated way), I have to disagree.
127dot0dot0dot1
2024-02-11 21:57:02 +0000 UTCSimilar to other patrons, OA was the first podcast I supported, and I cancelled and haven't listened since everything came out about Andrew. Had my cc info not been expired, I would have rejoined day 1 when Thomas was back. I've enjoyed the episodes with Matt, and I'm excited to restart T3BE.
Laura Barton
2024-02-11 21:31:55 +0000 UTCI guess I missed his conviction in "State v Torrez". No criminal case - then the court of public opinion shall be the final arbiter. And I forgot about the principal of guilty until proven innocent. Therefore, "AT had to go." Like most of us, I am sure he has done something wrong at some time (but I am neither judge nor jury). Having erred we must all be forever, irredeemably tainted without potential for remorse or any sort of reform. Hyperbole aside, I am not a judge of morality based on rumors and accusations. I will limit my commentary to those things I have observed directly through the podcast. One host brought knowledge and his passion for the law into my life, making my life a little better for it. The other host does not enrich my life in any way. I choose not to support the podcast in the absence of the reason I came and stayed for so long. That is all.
Anita Bath, Ollie Tabooger, Maya Buttreeks, Ima Wiener, Haywood U. Kuddelmie, Ahmed Adoudi, Maya Normusbut, Drew P Wiener
2024-02-11 21:19:30 +0000 UTCPatreon name gold medal winner.
Jon Herrin
2024-02-11 21:06:00 +0000 UTCNo shame in missing Andrew. He brought his own level of talent and knowledge to the podcast. However, his off-air actions, and his reaction to being called out on them, are - to me - unforgivable.
Jon Herrin
2024-02-11 21:04:23 +0000 UTCThis is the first podcast I ever subscribed to, back around episode 20. I left because of AT and I'm only back now because of Thomas. Glad to see some positive movement and here's hoping for more.
We have moral luck at home
2024-02-11 19:33:46 +0000 UTCIām so glad youāre (rightfully) back, Thomas. Iām so glad to be a patron again. And I am THRILLED to have OA back in my podcast rotation. I canāt wait to see where things go from here.
Julie P.
2024-02-11 18:56:49 +0000 UTCWe shall see. ATs behavior that provoked the upside-downing is reason enough to no longer support the cast but, and probably because I am also ADHD, I'm usually yelling because I am almost at the point of understanding but TS will interject right there, just short of my understanding. Then my brain, in frustration almost to the point of tears, simply gives up trying. As a woman, ATs voice makes my blood boil. But I'm torn as to whether to keep supporting OA. š¤·
MamaG
2024-02-11 17:48:31 +0000 UTCAgree, it meant they skipped over much of the reason I listened in the before times (and the reason I have resumed regular listening and my subs): conceptual explanations like Legal Eagle does but longer and more of a dialogue. Legal thingy XYZ can't possibly be a thing, right? What's a motion in lemonade and how do depositions work and shit like that
Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping
2024-02-11 11:20:55 +0000 UTCIt dropped by over 3/4, from over 4,400 to under 1,100. If Andrew tried to claim he was acting in the best interest of the company, the evidence is not supporting him.
Myk the tango-dancing skeptic
2024-02-10 22:59:12 +0000 UTCSo happy to see the legal process working properly. AT proved himself to be completely lacking in ethics with his actions in taking control of the podcast and relaunching with new a intro pretending nothing had happened. I completely lost all respect for Andrew, after his apology had earned him back a small amount. I couldn't get my disdain for AT out of my head to even have a chance of enjoying the AT/LD version of the show.
Myk the tango-dancing skeptic
2024-02-10 22:41:31 +0000 UTCSeems youāre ignoring why AT had to goā¦
Liam Skoda
2024-02-10 22:38:53 +0000 UTCsame
lauren
2024-02-10 20:22:19 +0000 UTCFor me, AT was the reason for the show. TS was the perpetual reason for yelling "SHUT UP, AND LET HIM FINISH! I want to learn that." Though I agree it is nice to have a lay person to ground the discussion and remind a knowledgeable host to define terms, lay people are the resource in infinite supply. I can no longer support the podcast. TS actively detracts from the podcast no matter who the knowledgeable anchor is, but AT was the figurative heart and soul of the podcast.
Anita Bath, Ollie Tabooger, Maya Buttreeks, Ima Wiener, Haywood U. Kuddelmie, Ahmed Adoudi, Maya Normusbut, Drew P Wiener
2024-02-10 19:21:59 +0000 UTCIām so happy youāre back! Iām so happy that that mess seems to be over. To my shame, some part of me will miss Andrew. Though, if it were up to me to choose one, you (Thomas) would be it, hands down. This past year, the show has been disappointing. You were the real core of the show; No one else can bring your personality, there are at least a few other people who can bring the law. š Thanks for persevering.
Heathen Street Preacher
2024-02-10 17:32:41 +0000 UTCHell yeah. Resubbed and glad to have this one small part of the world feel like justice is working.
BlueBomber
2024-02-10 17:31:14 +0000 UTCI am SO happy about this. I stayed subscribed after Thomas left but phased out listening to the episodes. I kept checking episode titles in the off chance that Thomas might come back, although I didn't have high hopes for it. So glad to have you back in my podcast feed, and very happy control of the show is back in your hands! I'm now a patron! š„
LipstickLumberjack
2024-02-10 17:06:58 +0000 UTCI have personal reasons for describing the past year as āhorrible but necessaryā, so returning as a Patron feels like a fitting step at this point. Youāve been missed.
Muriel Lavender
2024-02-10 11:23:16 +0000 UTC:)
Apprentice57
2024-02-10 08:40:03 +0000 UTCIf there's one thing I could ask: more use of the phrase "new direction".
nowyouhavecancer
2024-02-10 08:34:14 +0000 UTCIs this the timelines starting to heal? Like Doc and Marty got the stupid sports almanac back? I can hope.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-10 06:41:42 +0000 UTCReSubbed - democracy wins Fuck Dershowitz.
Kyle Esposito
2024-02-10 04:34:57 +0000 UTCThomas acknowledges Opening Arguments never left. He acknowledges that Andrew is a good podcaster, and it's not about that, and he promised us to continue to deliver a good Opening Arguments. He said a minute into "the drama episode" that if you don't want drama and just want law show, you can skip this episode. If you don't think Thomas can get new amazing experts and have amazing conversations, then you might not know what Serious Inquiries Only is...
capitalthree
2024-02-10 04:29:12 +0000 UTCIf you want/need a family law attorney's assistance for an episode - I am willing to help, if I can. I immediately resubbed when I heard the great news on DoD!
Laura Friedman
2024-02-10 04:18:20 +0000 UTCalso resubbed! woo Thomas! I don't pay attention to the reddit and whatnot (speaking of boycotts), so it came as a surprise to me when a friend told me you got the show back! I'm a huge WtW fan too
capitalthree
2024-02-10 04:06:13 +0000 UTCYou don't air the laundry when you're the one who shat the bed.
Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping
2024-02-10 03:19:42 +0000 UTCCouldn't be more excited for you to be back Thomas! Congrats on your success and return!
I'm A Vegan Heathen
2024-02-10 01:57:27 +0000 UTCThe receiverās role is to be the tie-breaking vote in matters that Thomas and Andrew as 50/50 partners canāt agree on. The receiverās sole focus is supposed to be on making their decisions based on what would be in the best interest of the company - in this case the podcast. Right now that decision was to agree with Thomasās vision of where he wants the podcast to go. Based on the fact that Liz peaced out when the receiver was appointed, plus the dramatic drop in patrons & podcast downloads after Andrew seized control and took over the podcast, it was probably a pretty easy business decision to go with Thomasās vision. There will be people who will cry foul and assert that the receiver is just going to back Thomas on everything - Andrew being one of them obviously. But given everything that has gone down in the last year, and the fact that associating with PAT is toxic given the accusations, and given the fact that the courts have been agreeing with Thomasās arguments and ruling in his favor, itās possible that agreeing with Thomasās decisions is ALSO what the receiver thinks is best for the company.
Corey Helwig
2024-02-10 01:46:23 +0000 UTCIt's about damn time!
Caspian
2024-02-10 00:38:18 +0000 UTCWelcome back Thomas! We're gonna need Opening Arguments this year.
Caspian
2024-02-10 00:34:10 +0000 UTCWelcome back Thomas!
Caspian
2024-02-10 00:19:56 +0000 UTCWelcome back. I'm glad you once again own the podcast you created.
Checkout DSmagic.us and DeepFakeStop.com
2024-02-09 23:14:58 +0000 UTCOur long national nightmare is over...well, ok maybe not but at least we got OA back! Subbed! Welcome back, Thomas!
my patreon name was chosen by a court appointed receiver and it was absolutely the right call
2024-02-09 23:05:05 +0000 UTCWoooo!! Resubbed! And Iām excited for the larger sampling of lawyers, sounds refreshing and like it might be better than before :)
Maris
2024-02-09 22:40:37 +0000 UTCKeep your head up high and know your doing good work
Thanks thomas for not sucking
2024-02-09 22:19:28 +0000 UTCFirst time sub after a year of boycotting , that opening rocked!
Thanks thomas for not sucking
2024-02-09 22:18:31 +0000 UTCItās like a high school reunion, only it doesnāt suck! Heyyyyyyyyyyyy
Nathan Panuco
2024-02-09 21:47:26 +0000 UTCWho hurt you?
Richard Stifle
2024-02-09 21:37:36 +0000 UTCWelcome back! It's only been a year? Feels longer.
Shannon Klakowicz
2024-02-09 21:26:11 +0000 UTCWell Iām gone
Cāmon
2024-02-09 20:50:36 +0000 UTCShots fired! You're back. I'm back.
Fiasco!
2024-02-09 20:20:31 +0000 UTCOA charges for every-other-episode. That means you're only paying for half the episodes even though two-thirds of the content isn't going to be T3BE. You can go even further into your membership settings and limit your contribution to 8 episodes per month if you want to ensure you never pay for a T3BE episode. (52 weeks per year * 2 non-T3BE episodes per week = 104 per year / 12 months = 8-and-two-thirds non-T3BE eps per average month. Round that down and you get 8.)
Congress- the opposite of PROgress
2024-02-09 19:52:41 +0000 UTCResubbed, ready to see what happens. Congrats, Thomas!
The Beautiful Thumb
2024-02-09 19:30:05 +0000 UTCIt's deeply weird to claim that Thomas is stealing work from Andrew.
Baba Corva
2024-02-09 19:09:08 +0000 UTCBoohoo, AT can still be a lawyer. Heās fine.
Kait from Seattle
2024-02-09 16:59:52 +0000 UTCTHOMAS!!!!!! Omg, the new opening is spicy as fuck and Iām living for it! ššš
Kait from Seattle
2024-02-09 16:58:21 +0000 UTCHis own actions? Andrew seized sole control of the accounts and changed the passwords locking out his 50/50 partner. The courts agreed, which is why there is now a receiver whose job is to look out for the best interests of the company. We wouldnāt be getting this podcast now if none of that happens. I agree the intro is petty, but I think Thomas is entitled to a little catharsis following the vindication of the shit year heās had because of ANDREWāS actions.
Corey Helwig
2024-02-09 16:43:39 +0000 UTCbest birthday gift! so nice to be back.
lauren
2024-02-09 15:29:33 +0000 UTCResubbed. Honestly I was really enjoying just having dear old dads and where thereās woke and had accepted that OA was dead so this was a pleasant surprise. Iām excited for you.
Liam Skoda
2024-02-09 15:25:27 +0000 UTCReading a room? Bruh, like 2/3rds of the patreon subscribers left when this whole debacle started and many like myself subscribed to Serious Inquiries Only, Thomasā podcast.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-09 14:36:08 +0000 UTCBoy that is a really big answer. A year ago roughly, allegations of sexual assault came out against Andrew Torres by multiple women. He was able to lock Thomas out of the show, hence the next year of legal battles in the background. The allegations also started the creation of the Creator Accountability Network, a volunteer group thatās still really getting set up and the firing of Andrew by the podcast group Puzzle In A Thunderstorm LLC as their lawyer. Thatās sort of the digest version. This is why if you look on graphtreon.com at this podcastsā patreon numbers, about a year ago it dropped by 2/3rds.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-09 14:30:38 +0000 UTCResubscribed. Looking forward to a legal podcast that asks smart questions and digs below the headlines.
Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping
2024-02-09 14:28:47 +0000 UTCThis is my assumption as well, however I donāt think the idea is settled yet, itās only been like a day.
Richard Stifle
2024-02-09 14:22:23 +0000 UTCBye Felicia!
Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping
2024-02-09 14:20:23 +0000 UTCResubbed! Woot!
Richard Stifle
2024-02-09 14:15:07 +0000 UTCPatreon makes it easy to set a contribution limit, and Thomas has always been happy to refund folks if they ask for it (also he didnāt say whether t3be is going to be a paid post, iirc before everything fell apart they were doing four episodes a week and only charging for twoā¦)
Tonei Glavinic
2024-02-09 14:12:45 +0000 UTCBest. Friday. Ever.
Faithful to the OA
2024-02-09 14:05:04 +0000 UTCcool story bro
Tonei Glavinic
2024-02-09 14:03:28 +0000 UTCDitto!
Udo ××××
2024-02-09 14:02:47 +0000 UTCyou mean, the contract lawyer? the one who exploited his power imbalance? You know, it really sounds like you're of the ilk that think "when Trump doesn't pay taxes - yeehaw! but if an immigrant doesn't pay taxes - deport him!"
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-09 11:59:14 +0000 UTC"you left without any explanation"... lol
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-09 11:54:40 +0000 UTCOA is back, baby!
Wafflepriest
2024-02-09 11:17:27 +0000 UTCGlad you're back. Re-subscribed.
Liam Appelbe
2024-02-09 09:37:05 +0000 UTCBig win for Thomas. Congrats on winning the public opinion and in the courts) Nonetheless, I'm gutted... Thomas already had 3 (I think?) podcasts bringing in money, now he's managed to take over another one and inherited seven hundred something episodes. Whatever shitty things AT seems to have done (some credible, some less so, and it's not like TS didn't know about this for years), OA was clearly built on his expertise and his hard work. I am definitely in the minority here, but: It feels to me as if Ringo has taken over the Beatles. And come on... charging a weekly episode for TTTBE?!? We've already seen it with SIO, how TS manages to cash in on somebody else (an expert) answering listener-submitted FAQs into two episodes. It just seems like he's milking the subscribers and so many go with it because many are blinded by their hate towards "the creepy guy". Yesterday TS already a published an episode before anybody had the chance to unsubscribe. I will have to unsubscribe (my low-ish membership level). Pity.
Nilek
2024-02-09 07:05:27 +0000 UTCI thought the same before the whole fiasco. I thought Andrew was doing the lion's share of the work and his law degree + experience made the show worthwhile. However, listening to the show during Thomas' hiatus, I now realize that Thomas' layman perspective kept the show on the tracks. The questions he asked made sure the more obtuse aspects of the law got focus to break it down. I don't think Andrew or Liz understood what lay people might not get when they go into their discussions, so having that outside/comedian angle is really invaluable.
Fakename McGee
2024-02-09 05:16:12 +0000 UTCAs Liz has said, 'peace out girl scout.'. I'm outta here.
That one time...
2024-02-09 04:07:31 +0000 UTCAbout 24 hours since Thomas came back and OA has the most members itās had in a year.
Leon
2024-02-09 04:02:28 +0000 UTCYou've said that you're done here on half a dozen posts on just this episode. Take a breath, pull up your big boy pants and leave already. Your whinging is just pathetic.
Jon Herrin
2024-02-09 03:12:15 +0000 UTCYou done?
AJ
2024-02-09 03:05:15 +0000 UTCThatās fine. Again, AT was nothing special. Countless other lawyers will do.
AJ
2024-02-09 03:01:25 +0000 UTCDude what the fuck. This comment is so uncalled for.
SpunRightRound
2024-02-09 00:42:38 +0000 UTCThis whole rant read like a QAnon post
(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Ex Parte)
2024-02-09 00:41:32 +0000 UTCSo glad OA is back with Thomas! Subscribing to show my support ā¤ļø
Lindsey
2024-02-09 00:31:25 +0000 UTCSo glad to have you back! Now I can re-subscribe ā”
Mara S.
2024-02-09 00:30:56 +0000 UTCGlad to have Thomas back, resubscribed. As with all of us, I have no idea about all the behind the scenes shenanigans, but I'm looking forward to the new lineup. Andrew/Liz just didn't click for me, I wouldn't have minded Thomas/Liz though.
AidenP
2024-02-09 00:23:23 +0000 UTCOpening arguments never left. There was no damage to repair. It was self inflicted and not even moreso. I'm glad the courts agreed to assign a third person who agrees with you, rather than making amends you're just going to further sink the ship. I wonder how long until you ask Liz dye to come help you out.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-09 00:09:31 +0000 UTCAs I listen to this episode you're more and more talking out of 2 mouths. "This isn't about who can make a better podcast" "this isn't about who put in more effort" "but I can put in effort, and I am a good podcaster" Andrew never disparaged you, Andrew never aired his laundry, or tried to justify himself to the audience. It's a podcast about the law, and there's a much better one with a much more consistent host at law and chaos podcast.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-09 00:05:18 +0000 UTCThomas, you know who made this more than it was from the very beginning? You. You cow-towed to rumors and left your partner out to dry. You could've stepped up and supported your business partner, or you could've walked away, you took the weakest way out and are trying to claw your way back in now. I'm done listening to you read the Bible, I'm done with dear old dad's, I'm glad I never got into serious inquiries only except for the few times you had guests more interesting than yourself. (Paragraph break via cell phone). You left without any explanation and a year later you're back and you expect everyone to want to listen to nothing but you fumble with a bar exam question for an episode a week? You're narcissistic to the highest degree.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-09 00:01:09 +0000 UTCYup, nothing like a graceful return. This podcast is done to me, I'm giving them a dollar a month in hopes that they don't get ad revenue and patreon takes as much as possible from them. Absolutely no humility from Thomas, or acknowledgement that it was his own actions that kept a consistent podcast from being made.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-08 23:54:50 +0000 UTCI'm going to listen to the person who was "in business"with someone without ever signing paperwork, on a podcast about laws. Truly the blind leading the blind here.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-08 23:52:01 +0000 UTCIf you want a "legal podcast that doesn't care about any of this" go check out law and chaos pod. Thomas made his bed a year ago with his knee-jerk reactions, the podcast continued and improved, and now he's ousted the people who tried to continue doing good work while he had a tantrum. Riding coat tails is never a good look.
No longer the longest name in patreon, but still quite long. Brevity is the sou
2024-02-08 23:49:44 +0000 UTCI said this repeatedly. It was too inside baseball. And I think Liz is a great podcaster who really improved too. Also seriously the amount of times Andrew says inapposite and Liz started doing it too. Like come on people; inappropriate is a perfectly great word.
Bridget Kennedy
2024-02-08 23:16:29 +0000 UTCThomas is back, so Iām back! So excited to get this podcast back! Accusations and legal thingies aside, the Andrew/Liz dual lawyer format, while informative, was dense and boring. Felt like 2 lawyers sitting around and discussing stuff they both know. The format that made this show great is the lawyer/layman dynamic. Excited to have that and THOMAS back!
Corey Helwig
2024-02-08 22:49:37 +0000 UTCAAAAAAAHHHHHHH YAAAAAY!
Aminah
2024-02-08 22:40:10 +0000 UTCI just hope both sides have a good time. Now gimme law podcasts
Cheef Queef
2024-02-08 22:30:41 +0000 UTCResubscribed after a year away, glad to have Thomas back.
Not that millionaire
2024-02-08 22:11:21 +0000 UTCin a world literally overflowing with lawyers, you think Andrew is the needle in the haystack? I could go with that analogy if you mean jumping nonchalantly barefoot on said haystack he'd be the needle that stuck an inch into your heel - but, then again, I don't think he and Kavanagh are the only predatory lawyers you could find in the world
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 21:17:42 +0000 UTCthis reply from fran here is an interesting case study on how our memories are completely fabricated. AT and AG connected as co-hosts (per se) on a completely different podcast, Clean-up on Aisle 45 (which AG continues to host after severing AT the instant she learned about his ... behaviours - and /before/ TS was illegally locked out of his own show). So to start with you couldn't have "up(ped) your subscription" when "AT and AG co-hosted". Thomas was /always/ the co-host, and rather Liz came on from time to time as a *guest* to balance AT's monopoly on the legal angle the show would portray (and I think this was very effective at the time)... until AT dumped Thomas and brought her on as co-host. I understand your sentiment - clearly you've built a new parasocial connection with those 2 at the helm over the past 12 months - but you must know that this was at the expense of someone who was clearly abused by Andrew's power imbalance? (even if you ignore the fridge debacle & silencing TS on the behavioural issues, there's the very act of locking him out of the show: and he thought he could get away with it because, *as a contract lawyer*, he had deliberately avoided entering into a written contractual arrangement! - and then AT's attempts to use the courts & his financial position to strong-arm/financially hurt TS) I think you may be mistaken on how many are in your room.
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 21:07:53 +0000 UTCI assumed he meant the Creator Accountability Network, but it pr9bably would be a good idea to get the specifics out there soon.
Justin Haines
2024-02-08 21:04:58 +0000 UTCThank you, but I was hoping to hear from Thomas or someone else who knows for sure.
bleftbart
2024-02-08 20:53:50 +0000 UTCpersonally I think there's something to the theory of there being a cognitive dissonance avoidance thematic - i.e. they've done some shitty shit in their past, so they recoil at shitty shit being publicly punished because it evokes shame & anxiety about their own shitty shit. And primary motivation for MAGA Rally attendance, imo
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 20:37:33 +0000 UTCI'm back for now.
Michael Rops
2024-02-08 20:33:47 +0000 UTCI would think it's a matter of: this is the plan agreed so far, but haven't worked out the details, and there's *lots* of details to work out - and then, probably, vote on - before can announce those details
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 20:28:02 +0000 UTCIt's ironic that many of the folks saying "I'm out - I miss Andrew/Liz" hold themselves out as bastions of nuance and good faith, yet they're (1) ignoring the fact that the court has clearly sided with Thomas and (2) continuing to blindly stan the former hosts who have both shown their ugly sides in recent times.
(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Ex Parte)
2024-02-08 20:14:43 +0000 UTCCan we get some clarity on what is meant by the proceeds going to repair and accountability? That is ominously vague.
bleftbart
2024-02-08 19:40:58 +0000 UTCPodcasters are more common than a lawyer who is willing to put in the amount of hours for research that Andrew did.
bleftbart
2024-02-08 19:25:50 +0000 UTCAll of Allison Gill's shows are good! You mentioned Cleanup, but I also love The Daily Beans, and Jack.
Big Easy Blasphemy
2024-02-08 19:24:54 +0000 UTCResubscribe after a long year
WhySatan
2024-02-08 19:19:01 +0000 UTCResubbed, happy to have you back
Derek Maxwell
2024-02-08 18:54:42 +0000 UTCResubscribed and repledged!
Kim
2024-02-08 18:36:19 +0000 UTCI'm back baby!
Fredrik
2024-02-08 16:51:33 +0000 UTCThomas!!! You already had me back before the very end of this. Happy to be part of the evidence. I had your back 1000% since the beginning and Iām overjoyed for the return of OA. This new direction is exciting. And Iām one of the people in the subreddit who spoke up about missing T3BE! Subscribed and amazed to have OA back dominating my podcast life. I will still be keeping up with SIO and WTW of course. So happy for you to reach this point after a year of true legal hell.
M. D. Nova
2024-02-08 16:21:19 +0000 UTCIt's good to be back as a patron. I really liked the SIO episodes with Matt Cameron, and I'm looking forward to more of that format in the future. Like many here, I'm saddened that we'll never return to the original OA, but I'm open to the new direction and the return of T3BE and the layman/lawyer combination that I always enjoyed. That said, I personally think the best approach would be to avoid airing too many details of the legal fight on the podcast feed. Obviously you had to say something, but one can already see it alienating some listeners who either joined in the past year or liked Andrew and Liz. The subreddit and Facebook group are much better places for that discussion and those of us who are interested can always follow it there.
Constitutional hardball is the official sport of the Republican party
2024-02-08 16:19:54 +0000 UTCThis is the best news Iāve heard so far this year! Welcome back and congratulations! Looking forward to seeing what you do with the podcast. We missed you!
Alek Gent-Vincent
2024-02-08 16:18:34 +0000 UTCAT wanted the conservative founder of the Washington Examiner to be his third, which would have been a second vote for AT. Judge ruled for Thomas because his pick had more experience with larger podcast and wouldnāt be competing with OA. Both had the opportunity to make a pick and Thomas chose better.
AJ
2024-02-08 16:15:35 +0000 UTCSo glad youāre back Thomas. Happy to support the podcast again
Andrew W
2024-02-08 16:14:08 +0000 UTCSubscribed again. Glad to have Thomas back. Looking forward to enjoying this show once more.
Brandon in Chicago
2024-02-08 15:48:42 +0000 UTCItās a lot easier to replace Andrew than it is to replace Thomas. Andrew is one of tens of thousands of lawyers who can explain the law. Heās replaceable. A good interviewer on the other hand is very hard to find. Think Johnny Carson or Dick Cavett vs someone like Jimmy Fallon. Knowing what questions to ask, especially for an audience of non-lawyers is huge when it comes to making the show interesting and entertaining. When you add the production and engineering skills he brings to the table, itās really not even close. Not to mention the podcast now has zero hosts who have sexually abused womenā¦ The show is on much better footing now, and should thrive with this new direction.
Dave Ellis
2024-02-08 15:41:30 +0000 UTCIf you read up on everything that Andrew pulled to try to make it as difficult as possible on Thomas, taking a bit of a victory lap via the opening quotes isnāt uncalled for at all. Granted, I donāt think they should stay for the regular 25 episode cycle, but using it for a couple episodes is perfectly justifiable as old time listeners start returning.
Dave Ellis
2024-02-08 15:32:18 +0000 UTCI'm out. Until he left the show, I was putting up with Thomas to listen to Andrew. I never found Thomas funny so much as annoying. The podcast was improved enormously when he was replaced by Liz-- knowledgeable and way, way more interesting. Listening to around half of this gloating victory lap convinced me that I have no interest in spending time with Thomas. When and if Andrew starts another podcast, I'll try be the first to subscribe.
Ian Abrams
2024-02-08 15:31:05 +0000 UTCThomas is the co-founder of the podcast. Andrew did a surprise hostile takeover almost exactly a year ago after announcing he was āstepping backā after he was outed as a sexual abuser of multiple women, some of which were attached to the show. Thomas and Andrew have been battling it out in court for control ever since, and Thomas has effectively won and taken control back. The legal issues arenāt yet totally resolved, but the show is effectively back in proper hands, where it should have been a year ago.
Dave Ellis
2024-02-08 15:27:03 +0000 UTCCongratulations, Thomas. Take my money. I was missing the intro and outro music so much. Looking forward to downloading in the future.
MamaG
2024-02-08 15:14:50 +0000 UTCLong time listener (until the thingies happened), FIRST TIME PATRON!! LFG!!!!!!
Professional-Grade In-Car Audio Guy
2024-02-08 15:12:42 +0000 UTCTHAT! IS! A! B R U T A L!!! OPENING! Glad to be giving money to this podcast again.
Jon Herrin
2024-02-08 15:12:23 +0000 UTCThatās not at all what he said.
Shelley S.
2024-02-08 14:48:20 +0000 UTCStrict Scrutiny is great
Erin Hutton
2024-02-08 14:42:38 +0000 UTCIām ending my Patreon now because Thomas implied that staying one shows that I support Thomas over Andrew. I donāt need to be a part of this. Iāll come back when Andrew comes back.
Andrew Katzenberger
2024-02-08 14:29:32 +0000 UTCSo happy to have you back Thomas! Canāt wait for my first T3BE being in law school!
Tired Law Student
2024-02-08 14:16:57 +0000 UTCHoly crap!!!! Welcome back!!!!
Kate
2024-02-08 14:09:32 +0000 UTChappy to be back!
Merideth Blake
2024-02-08 14:01:12 +0000 UTCSo excited to be back! š„°
Alyssa Goldensohn
2024-02-08 14:00:50 +0000 UTCJust subscribed for the first time and started listening again cause Thomas is back!!!!!
Katie Mailloux
2024-02-08 13:56:40 +0000 UTCLawyers are a dime a dozen, and AT wasnāt anything special. Back to support and looking forward to a new lawyer, as it should have been the whole year.
AJ
2024-02-08 13:42:28 +0000 UTCLove 5-4
Screams Into The Void in Supreme Court
2024-02-08 13:35:01 +0000 UTCI expect the news and legal insights will keep flowing, just without the smarmy faux nice-guy routine
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 13:22:23 +0000 UTCI just want to set the record straight - go and read the names of the podcast episodes from about ~1 year ago. And the deliberately-out-of-context half-redacted bank statement Andrew posted in an attempt to publicly discredit Thomas. And there's the Legally Blonde outtro that's been playing the last year. I get your point, but for me this intro rights a wrong. I guess it might have felt good for many of us who've empathised with Thomas' pain. It makes sense to me to at least have it on the first "real" episode as well. And, maybe it's just a placeholder. We'll see.
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 13:11:39 +0000 UTCSo glad youāre back!!! I just resubscribed!
Jennifer Pohlhaus
2024-02-08 13:04:38 +0000 UTCGlad to be back. Thank you for the intro quotes, and I must say a deep part of me wants to hear you lay into the evil that is PAT and what he has done. But, I am also glad you are a bigger person Thomas and I am excited to hear the future of this podcast, tempering the optimism that much of the law is simple logical rules, with the fact that it is usually used to oppress the powerless with arcane rules and extreme legal costs. Thank you.
a
2024-02-08 13:04:37 +0000 UTCAT was always tuned into how we as listeners received the pod. I was a listener when he and AG co hosted. That was great and caused me to up my subscription. Then AG was gone and in came Liz. She was amazing and the two of them made me eager to go from show to show. Iām still following Liz on Law and Chaos. Thomas, you have much to learn about reading the room. Most of the subscribers felt like AT and Liz were family. We get your subtext. Donāt dis my loved ones and expect me to give you a chance. Itās unkind and many will flee to higher ground.
fran reichenbach
2024-02-08 13:00:09 +0000 UTCI'm curious if you made this exact same comment a year ago ...?
I am a philosophical hole
2024-02-08 12:56:49 +0000 UTCI would like to thank you for an explanation at least I got that.
Ed orth
2024-02-08 12:43:41 +0000 UTC5-4 Itās mostly historical law and not so much just Trump Trump Trump.
Kelvin, like the temperature.
2024-02-08 12:30:10 +0000 UTCSo glad to be back! Intro music sounded off until I realised I'm going to have to set my playback speed for this podcast again.
Sam Johnson
2024-02-08 12:23:59 +0000 UTCThe only thing worse than a bad court thingie is a bad podcast thingie. If I wanted to listen to people air their dirty laundry, I'd have stuck it out in family law - at least then I would have been paid to listen to one side tell me who did who dirty instead of paying to hear it from one side. Buh-bye.
John
2024-02-08 12:02:19 +0000 UTCTo be blunt, does appointing a 3rd vote receiver just mean appointing Thomas a second vote? Is Andrew effectively gone for good; the title implies this is just yet another takeover, though on more sound legal grounds.
el que es causa de la causa es causa del mal causado
2024-02-08 12:01:29 +0000 UTCIt's great to be back!
Bear The Bull
2024-02-08 11:56:39 +0000 UTCBACK
Isaac
2024-02-08 11:35:22 +0000 UTCLooking forward to seeing what you do witth it, Thomas.
Jessica
2024-02-08 11:18:43 +0000 UTCWho is this?? I listen for news and legal insight. Suddenly both hosts have been replaced? Yeesh.
Shep
2024-02-08 11:02:09 +0000 UTCNot nice not helpful
Robert (on Patrion) Mortimer
2024-02-08 10:52:54 +0000 UTCYou know, I don't really want to get into the whole Thomas/Andrew business; while I completely understand that the way Andrew basically pulled a coup was absolutely not okay, nor were the things he was accused of which led to the rift in the first place, and I in no way want to diminish those things, I also kind of feel like Andrew was thrown under the bus very quickly and overtly in the first place; and while his apology might not be considered much or even barely enough by many, I did give him credit for at least not denying any of the accusations, and at least outwardly trying to do better. So when I heard this episode, my first reaction was "oh come on Thomas, that intro, really? Do you have to keep kicking a dead horse?" I mean, I absolutely understand that you're hurt, and that is not going to go away any time soon, and you have every right to feel that. And when I heard the plans for the pod going forward, I was kind of optimistic. T3BE was always one of my favorite parts, which I really missed; I can get on board with the balance of deep dives and breaking news analysis; it was fun hearing Thomas' voice again, because I did enjoy the comedy bits - albeit less than the law parts, and I thought they sometimes got in the way of the story, but overall I really missed the old format. And while it's going to be weird without Andrew at first... it was also weird without Thomas at first. And depending on who the new co-host(s) turn out to be, I can see this working. I was especially glad to hear, after that intro, that Thomas doesn't want to get into vindictiveness (which apparently Andrew has exhibited in court, I gather... sad to hear). And then I started the first "real" new episode... With that same intro, a full minute of grievance quotes, and I just sighed. This isn't what I'm here for. I don't want to have to pick sides or be dragged into a messy divorce - I'm already helping my parents navigate theirs at the moment, I dont need an extra one in podcast form. I just didn't want to listen to the rest of the episode as of now. I will probably give it another go later on, trying to recenter on the good hopes I had for the future of the show at the END of this announcement; but if that intro is still used for the next episode, I'm at least temporarily pulling my money... Because no matter what Andrew may have said about Thomas in court, I never heard this type of vindictive low blows on the pod, and they do not belong there, no matter how hurt you are - which I again in no way want to diminish. Hoping that things will clear up, B
Ben Verhaegen
2024-02-08 10:33:39 +0000 UTCIt took a while for brain to catch up. I thought it was just a new set of law quotes. Then I got the theme of the quote - and only just clicked that the music was back too when I read this comment.
Whitty
2024-02-08 10:21:29 +0000 UTCTip: turn off automatic download on your podcast app before you renew your Patreon subscription and it's RSS feed.
Whitty
2024-02-08 10:18:26 +0000 UTCGood lord. I've been so far behind in my podcast listening (and internet atheism news generally, I guess) that I've missed on this whole debacle and just spent hours catching myself up. I guess I had hoped that I had just left my subscription in good hands for when I eventually got to it. Having just learned that it had been forcibly and maliciously derailed behind the scenes for about a year, I'm glad it's back in proper hands. I'm optimistic that the interesting legal breakdowns and commentary will continue to be what makes OA a great listen. I'll also make a quick check in on my other subscriptions while I'm at it...
Jake Metzger
2024-02-08 09:17:06 +0000 UTCItās so nice to be back and to have ethically-sourced OA again.
Babel Fish
2024-02-08 09:11:37 +0000 UTCBye
Colin S McDonald
2024-02-08 08:36:35 +0000 UTCThomas, try not to do too much. I love you man, I donāt want to have you burn out in an attempt to make eight pounds of content a week for us. I would rather have you and your family happy and healthy. One million hugs to you and yours ā¤ļø
Totally A Real Human Person
2024-02-08 08:12:52 +0000 UTCEeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
Stephanie Groth
2024-02-08 08:12:34 +0000 UTCI'm excited to see the new direction. Especially looking forward to the return of deep dive content.
Dominick Pollastro
2024-02-08 08:01:13 +0000 UTCI came back too! LFG
David Larsen
2024-02-08 07:57:30 +0000 UTCBack as a Patreon member. Looking forward to future episodes!
Shad Riley
2024-02-08 07:47:33 +0000 UTCAs I remember it after a few drinks Andrew was prone to acting like the over-entitled frat boy he is. A path to rehabilitation was agreed, but once it came out Thomas had been aware of Andrew's behaviour Thomas basically dumped on Andrew, blaming Andrew for his own failure to act. After that a split was inevitable.
Robert (on Patrion) Mortimer
2024-02-08 07:33:38 +0000 UTCIt's not an ego match about "who's a better PODCASTER", but it IS an ego match (by both Thomas and AT) and it's gross. Thomas gloating about the loss of patrons is gross. You guys both fucked up. The post Thomas did about Andrew grabbing him by the fridge was absolutely ridiculous. Andrew's weird "outing" Eli letter was ridiculous. Everything was just handled so poorly.
Sparkle Donkey
2024-02-08 07:29:01 +0000 UTCYes, as a wise mentor of mine used to say: Change is hard and always bad. Andrew is good at what he does but he fucked around, made some poor strategic decisions out of fear and hubris, he's not entitled to an audience and frankly there are a lot of people who no longer trust him with their patronage. His depth of knowledge was valuable but he's not some kind super special of wizard of law communication. There are plenty of equally experienced and probably even more erudite lawyers out there, and I for one am willing to give Thomas at least a couple chances to find another one.
FINALLY back to what's really important- announcing dates for the Seattle live show!
2024-02-08 07:15:05 +0000 UTCSounds like thereās a great lawyer coming, and having a defence and prosecutor perspective is going to really be a point of difference on those shows.
127dot0dot0dot1
2024-02-08 07:03:03 +0000 UTCItās Complicated and Serious Trouble.
127dot0dot0dot1
2024-02-08 07:01:36 +0000 UTCI valued Andrew's analysis but he's far from the only experienced lawyer in the world capable of communicating with laymen and I frankly never found Liz's scripted counter-commentary as effective as Thomas at peeling back the layers and getting AT down to the bottom line. Looking skeptically but optimistically forward to hearing how Matt's voice fits the show
FINALLY back to what's really important- announcing dates for the Seattle live show!
2024-02-08 06:58:55 +0000 UTCLittle Tommy has shit for brains
Jim Parks
2024-02-08 06:58:31 +0000 UTCFor those who dont know what happened. This is a reddit thread with a lot of the details in it - https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenArgs/comments/1adr52t/what_is_going_on_with_oa_now_and_what_happened_to/
David Bax (Spinobreaker)
2024-02-08 06:56:53 +0000 UTCThomas, I am glad you and your intro music are back, but I think you made a serious mistake in this post. You should have posted something that reached out to the Andrew fans, instead it sounds like youāre taking a victory lap. So now youāre going to have to work twice as hard trying to replace them, instead of keep them. Iām back, and I really hope Iām wrong in that I think thereās a good chance you might have put the final nail in. PS - Adam Klasfeld is available. Can we get him for trump episodes?
127dot0dot0dot1
2024-02-08 06:56:02 +0000 UTCIt's good to be back bayybeeee!!
Polly Hernandez
2024-02-08 06:54:46 +0000 UTCIt was so good to hear the music again!
Adrian Mester
2024-02-08 06:51:11 +0000 UTCRejoined this to support best I can. I wont support AT or Liz. What they did was wrong on so many levels, and thats only supported by Liz bailing the second accountability comes knocking. Bring on the new show, i cant wait :D
David Bax (Spinobreaker)
2024-02-08 06:45:23 +0000 UTCIām elated by Thomasās return. I believe he said it well that opening arguments was more than one person, and Iām glad the court recognized the dynamic Thomas brought to the stage to be integral to the idea of OA. Itās a shame things happened as they did. I look forward to the first episode, and have just subscribed for the first time after mooching for years. If you agree with me, thatās cool. If you donāt, thatās cool too.
Austin Flake
2024-02-08 06:43:31 +0000 UTCIāve never been a patreon member of OA before but I am now that Thomas has the show back! Congratulations Thomas!!!šššššššš
Kameron Jackson
2024-02-08 06:40:46 +0000 UTCLizās new thing and Cleanup on 45ā¦ what else is out there thatās good?
Matt or Matthew, either works.
2024-02-08 06:27:54 +0000 UTCMaybe, we'll have to see how it goes. I enjoyed learning from Andrew, but he's not the only lawyer who can provide meaningful analysis. Best case scenario is that OA can morph again into a solid legal podcast while Andrew can make his own content. I'd rather have 2 podcasts than 1 that keeps changing hands.
Justice delayed is justice denied
2024-02-08 06:25:53 +0000 UTCcoming back as a paying patron :-)
adam kahn
2024-02-08 06:25:03 +0000 UTCItās good to be back here supporting the show!
Chris Johnson
2024-02-08 06:20:52 +0000 UTCSo happy to have Thomas back and it sounds like he has a great plan moving forward. I am more than happy to resubscribe!
Gus the Dog
2024-02-08 06:12:15 +0000 UTCI agree with what has been said and I am also unsubscribing. Sorry Thomas but this was a bad call.
Mark Van
2024-02-08 06:09:28 +0000 UTCAre they going to at least alternate?
Matt or Matthew, either works.
2024-02-08 06:08:15 +0000 UTCI had the same thought. We listen and subscribe for the thoughtful legal analysis. The joking layman is a nice touch but the "comeback" of just whining and (arguably) defaming Andrew in the process is very unappreciated. If you want my patron membership to be my vote, I'm casting mine now and leaving. Andrew was OA.
Ketanji's brown jacket
2024-02-08 05:38:07 +0000 UTCRIP OA. It was such a good thing. Without Andrew this podcast is meaningless. I listened to get Andrew's legal breakdowns. The comedy was just flavor commentary. Honestly a tragic end and I'm baffled that you think this is a good idea Thomas.
Caleb Benningfield
2024-02-08 05:35:01 +0000 UTC
