Hbomb / Here's the first 90 minutes of the Plagiarism Video!

Nooo why did you remove it :(

David Meyer

2025-10-28 20:53:00 +0000 UTC

And now it is gone.

David Meyer

2025-10-28 20:52:42 +0000 UTC

Nearly a whole year later and I still think about when I accidentally called the actual subject of this video. I hope you got a laugh out of me doing so, hbomb. Still an outstanding vid. Glad you had your finger on the pulse when I'd barely caught onto it.

Stormbourne

2024-10-24 02:36:13 +0000 UTC

even after the full version has been released and most of the illuminaughti stuff removed, I still come back to watch this version. something about it just hits different

Nina Johnson

2024-09-14 02:58:33 +0000 UTC

I think "doing the same thing she is" was the point there. But that's not to say intention negates your criticism. I do agree, doing the same thing she did but as part of a bit didn't work and is more annoying than funny, or at least it would work better if you cut it down by like at least half.

Rice G.

2023-11-26 19:12:08 +0000 UTC

I'm assuming this one is on its way soon, very excite (I've already watched this one twice)

Lottie Lynn

2023-11-20 19:00:14 +0000 UTC

Unfortunately I think iiluminaughtii is moving faster than hbomb can ever edit for

cacao

2023-10-23 09:24:16 +0000 UTC

lots of folk are talking about cutting down on iiluminaughtii's copying of Brian Deer, and while i agree, the examples are just too shocking and funny. maybe upload the rest to twitter, or here, as a patreon extra? :)

Finn, sitting upon their rollator throne because they got tired while ruling the world

2023-10-21 22:33:42 +0000 UTC

Or speed it up very gradually, so you almost don't notice.

Daniel Thewes

2023-10-20 15:30:47 +0000 UTC

IMO it's just doing what Illuminaugthy does

Batti

2023-10-16 22:48:17 +0000 UTC

When you mentioned the fanart of iilluminaughtii bro-fisting the friend she had recently issued a C&D to, I felt compelled to mention that it's actually gotten way worse since then, and she's gone as far as FORECLOSING ON HIS HOUSE.

Dylan Roy

2023-10-16 17:57:09 +0000 UTC

Just wanted to echo that I feel like seeing iiluminaughtii say the same thing as Brian Deer for ten minutes did go on far far far too long - I think it could work better after the first couple of quotes as a very quick montage, or even a separate bonus video for pacing reasons

cacao

2023-10-15 21:59:50 +0000 UTC

Extreeeemely late so you've probably already decided where you're going with it, but I just wanted to echo the statements of other commenters that said the Fyre Festival examples went on too long. Partially because it got boring after a bit as others said. But I also just wanted to say that I actually ended up skipping through it specifically because the previous section actually made me want to watch the Netflix documentary itself, and it eventually started feeling like I was just straight up watching the documentary, but in the most annoying and inefficient way possible. I feel like including that much of the documentary almost takes it to the point where your attempt to satirize iiluminaughtii's over-use of quotes becomes an actual case of you doing the same thing she is, just by a degree of separation. Loving the video so far otherwise and I'm excited to see the rest!

Haiokusa

2023-10-15 02:06:37 +0000 UTC

literally eating popcorn while I watch this. I saw the initial exchange on twitter and have somewhat followed some of the discourse that followed. I did not realise that the it went this deep and am sadly both shocked and not surprised. I had even seen the response video and remember thinking well that sounds reasonable, followed by wait she didnt even address that actual claim that Hbomb made.

Avidkeo

2023-10-13 08:31:14 +0000 UTC

Not sure if you're already looking into this but there's a massive issue in games journalism with people ripping off guides. The problem is there's no copyright in facts so as long as the guys stealing the content file the numbers off just enough, even though it's clearly been nicked there is no legal recourse. Also the reason a publication would remove all work from a plagerist, especially when reviews are involved is that it opens them up to getting sued for defamation, because the main legal defence that stops pubs getting sued for a bad review is that it was the writers honestly held opinion. And if you jacked the review. You lose that vital legal defence.

Gareth Newnham

2023-10-13 08:05:09 +0000 UTC

i miss myst this just feels bad man

Edward

2023-10-10 12:39:01 +0000 UTC

Honestly, all of the "to cut" stuff in the iiluminatii section needs to stay, and like half of the parts where its just long chains of examples of her plagiarism need to go. There's more than enough evidence to make the point compelling and these sections feel pretty sluggish. It feels that proving a point for personal reasons was the driver behind those sections of the video, which is entirely understandable, but they really kill the flow and long unbroken strings of the same quotes being said twice quickly stop having the same weight as the first few examples. Other than that, another incredibly well made and interesting video, can't wait to see the whole thing.

Thudd

2023-10-09 21:01:49 +0000 UTC

Obvious question: have you guys considered saying fuck it and making two- to three-part videos again

With Quiet Eyes

2023-10-09 20:54:10 +0000 UTC

ah man Hbomb's videos are so great and make me so happy

What's Therapy

2023-10-08 21:31:14 +0000 UTC

There's an entire video about transformation in that early-on bit you're thinking of cutting. I've been saying something like that for a while, since I was a little kid: we have a different idea of idea theft now, maybe an equally valid possible way of thinking about it, because we've seen levels of artistic reinterpretation with editing being explored by the masses. The tools to do that weren't widely available for a lot more people to play with until recent decades. I hope that the reason you mean to cut it is to avoid the distraction of the wider topic and expand on it later, rather than not to talk about it altogether. I'm worried a lot of people won't get that good joke about having to do more work in Filip's section for having less material still available, then getting to kind of coast a bit through Blair's sections for her vast available crap. Maybe they'll have to wait for their third viewing.

Crescent Minor

2023-10-07 14:00:22 +0000 UTC

I really like this sampler, and while I do agree with a lot of the folks here that the Illuminaughti parts drag a bit I feel like it's also really important to have in to provide context and have multiple examples of Blair pulling her content mill scheme over and over, and it also adds to the sheer what the fuck of her attacking LegalEagle. I don't really have the editing knowhow to suggest how to speed that bit up (and a ton of people who do seem to have commented already) but I do think that its helpful to showcase how she does that copypaste and read stuff so often that it's her actual workflow, not just one or two lazy off days

scrapmice

2023-10-06 17:45:32 +0000 UTC

the only part i felt like should be shortened was the moulin rouge bit, i got the joke but it kept going so long i kind of thought the clip would just keep going, then it ended. felt awkward. also, the fyre festival stuff has a lot of time spent for a pretty simple point, i don't think you necessarily need to cut it, but it's not really hard to tell with the side by side that she's just directly putting things in. also maybe talk figures on how much you've been offered? i know it might seem in bad taste, but the taboos around how much people get pay only hurt workers, and it's hard to get a true sense of scale from "a fuckton of money". our fucktons could be completely different, and unless it puts you in legal trouble to say what an average is here, i think it would be a worthy inclusion.

Andrew Lamb

2023-10-05 04:25:53 +0000 UTC

To weigh in on the length of the iilluminaughtii stuff, towards the end of it (during the fyre festival stuff) I was getting to a point of thinking you should cut some of it and move on to the next bit more quickly. Part of that was even halfway through I was getting sick of the sound of her voice. Not really because of anything about her voice or how she spoke, but because your point had been made so thoroughly that her wrongs had made her voice disgusting to me. But then suddenly once it was done and you went on to the ads and sponsorship stuff it all felt completely justified. I'm honestly not sure I've had that sequence of emotions handed to me so pointedly before. As you kept going it all just feels more and more justified. There are definitely times when you're comparing her stuff to her sources where it drags and feels mean. But even with your own involvement in the drama, you ultimately manage to keep a calm distance to enunciate why this kind of thing is important and its ramifications for the sources being plagiarized. I love what you've got so far, and look forward to being able to see what kind of horrible shit you get to expose in the rest of the video.

Kevin Saalen

2023-10-04 21:06:27 +0000 UTC

Just know, iilluminaughtii is litigious; she is working on taking away the home of that guy in that one fan art with her.

RogueDragoness

2023-10-04 19:00:53 +0000 UTC

Ive been waiting for a new video and I loved every minute of this, for what its worth I think you should keep it all, I love your long form content and I thought all of the material you have so far was entertaining, funny as hell but most importantly informative. I want this video to be as long as possible by the time you finish it, as you said these videos take a long time to make so I'd love to be get as long of a video essay as you are able to give us. Plus I think we need more awareness on this topic in general, I see some creators shedding light on this issue but I see a lot of people either just name-calling creators that steal content (which I feel can weaken a persons argument at times) or simply repeating a story that 4-5 other creators commented on. I love how deep you go down the rabbit hole to get your facts straight and present us with fresh and informed takes to make your case. Great video so far!

Joseph Souza

2023-10-04 09:36:06 +0000 UTC

It's very funny watching this and then getting to the Fyre bit cause I've just recently watched the Fyre documentary again that was made and (I'm intentionally writing this comment before I see the inevitable reveal) but the images of the people were ones I distinctly remember from that documentary. Like it actually helps illustrate the point for me more that in the ones I wasn't as aware on, I missed it, but since I know that documentary well it's so damn obvious that it's from this documentary. To the point where I feel confident calling it out beforehand!

Adam Gaffney

2023-10-03 13:14:17 +0000 UTC

Hey HBomb, love the video. Are you familiar with Jacksfilms and what he has been doing? It isn't 1:1 to your video topic, but he has been on a campaign against YouTubers who "curate" (steal) other people's tiktoks, reddits, instas, etc and "react" (make basic cookie cutter comments) without any type of credit or anything. He has called out several creators, most notably Sssniperwolf among others, pointing out how is its non transformative and stealing, rather than "fair use". He has interviewed individuals who have had their work stolen and have helped get their works claimed and protected. It's probably too late to do anything with him but it'd be great to have his work give some influence on your subject.

Syd L

2023-10-02 19:34:42 +0000 UTC

Sorry for being VERY late to the conversation: Those last few minutes in particular actually hit me pretty directly. I'd stumbled onto Blair's channel by happenstance about a year ago, and until a few months ago, I was happily subscribed because it was great white noise for my usual activities that just so happened to feel informative. Not only has finding out about the scale of plagiarism on that channel really forced me to take a step back, but in trying to find out as much as possible as responsibly as possible has had me dealing with the DramaTube ecosystem, which I genuinely hate. I just wanted to know if a channel I followed actually did the shit people were accusing them of, not twenty minutes of waffling before hearing the same vague point be made by the fifteenth person in a row. It's a special pain in the ass because I try to judge responsibly and not do things like guilt by association, or openly engaging in mob mentalities without being properly informed. Looking forward to the full video!

William Greene

2023-10-01 07:06:58 +0000 UTC

I feel like this is quite a late addition into my thoughts on the cuts, but the beginning part that is "To Cut" at 3:20 I think is a good choice. However, I do think a lot of the illuminaughti stuff should be kept. especially the Silent/Hill Centralia since it has a good intersection of what I imagine is your own personal interests and a good portion of the audience does too (Video Games). also, the line "this has the fun side effect that almost every illuminaughti video on any topic creates a brand new sub-community of people who know she's full of shit" is so good that I would be remiss to not bring it up because god that hits so hard The issue with illuminaughti is that it's a little too easy to pass it off as a one-time/couple time mistake as a result of their workflow and how much content they knock out. The section where you played back to back clips does drag on a little, but it highlights an extremely important thing that this isn't the exception, it is 100% the norm. however, the clips where you had the original content she stole from and Blair speaking at same time with layered audio was the stuff that perked my brain up every time it occurred. I think slimming that section down and trying to incorporate more of that layered audio where it has both speaking at the same time (Maybe having the one word she changes blasted on screen if there is a slight change) would help that section from dragging on but also highlight the point that she's just stealing content. Thanks for reading, can't wait for the full video!

GrooveSlinger

2023-09-29 01:49:42 +0000 UTC

Oof, I've watched a ton of Illuminaughti vids. 😅 Would opinions be different if they had marketed and produced the channel as "digest content" instead of essays? That is to say, what if their goal was transparently "I'm going to repackage this into shorter more concise chunks of information for your morning routine"? Because that's when I'd watch their videos. Not actively so that I can absorb. It was low value background video for me to get a rough idea of what's going on. I don't like to do that with HBomber's videos. I'd be missing some of the best bits. Hell I saw their Vaccine/Autism video and then was suggested HBomber's Vaccine/Autism video. And like, I was super excited to see he made a video because I knew I'd get the deep dive I wanted after seeing the plagiarized bit (I didn't know about the plagiarism) To be clear, I'm not referring to just Blair's videos, but asking about a possible "better" avenue for content farm patterns that may actually drive viewers to the sources.

Jody Alford

2023-09-27 03:22:41 +0000 UTC

How DARE you slander chicken nuggets! You monster!

Geoffrey Beatty

2023-09-26 08:31:48 +0000 UTC

What are the plugins Filip uses?

Toby Cruse

2023-09-26 02:33:03 +0000 UTC

I don't think it's just you, I would say that section dragged a bit. Especially because it doesn't seem like we've gotten to the crux of the issue yet. The transition out of illuminati feels like it's building but without context it's hard to say.

kaemon bonet

2023-09-24 11:51:30 +0000 UTC

Oh and also— are you going to discuss how AI impacts this process and entire channels are just AI copies of YouTubers doing review content? This seems to be coming up recently. It’s reminiscent of the Filip segment but with more AI.

Katarina Silvestri

2023-09-24 11:23:39 +0000 UTC

Finally got the chance to watch… we very much enjoyed the video and generally felt it was well composed. Tried to keep track of the “to cut” items but found the one thing that I’d personally cut back on if I was making it would be the different clips from Blair’s videos toward the end of these 90 minutes to show the scope of her plagiarism and how you can basically “set it and forget it” (like what she does!). That was the one place where the pacing felt off and slowed down in a way that disrupted my sense making a bit and took me out of the video. The little funny bits are on point— my spouse and was doing his high pitched cackles at these points (a good sign for humor) and wants me to shout out the “yeehaw” face stretch and “strap in or strap on happy pride month.”

Katarina Silvestri

2023-09-24 11:19:54 +0000 UTC

Lol, please don't remove the "happy pride month." Open every video that way please.

kaemon bonet

2023-09-24 09:56:01 +0000 UTC

Okay, I would have sworn I already commented this somewhere, but I can't find it so I guess I'll say it again? I really think the sheer amount of clips in the Illuminaughtii section is important to the point you're making, but also think it slows the pacing down a bit much. Is there a way to make that bit tighter while still including most, if not all, of the examples? It's also entirely possible that it's just me who feels this way, her voice is like fingernails on a chalk board for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.

orestes

2023-09-24 04:23:41 +0000 UTC

no cuts the content is perfect

daniel armitage

2023-09-22 13:12:17 +0000 UTC

Lost about what?

Hellen Smith

2023-09-22 10:56:31 +0000 UTC

I think you might be lost.

Renteks

2023-09-22 08:36:54 +0000 UTC

47:17 I hate how you use term "commie" for creators who properly quote their sources. What communist do best is steal credit for work they didn't do for shit

Hellen Smith

2023-09-21 22:41:25 +0000 UTC

The more I have learned about this person, the more her addled attack on Legal Eagle makes perfect sense: It wasn't simply that she had no concept of sharing ideas, but far more probable that she felt she was being "exposed" somehow by the editor of a legal YT channel asking (innocently) pointed questions about her work and causing her to panic. She wasn't really afraid someone was trying to steal "her" editing and effects methods, it's that she thought she had been caught with effects she had stolen from someone else, and was deflecting by trying to stick the "plagiarist" label on the ones who "caught" her. After all, there is no way she did even that small bit of graphical embellishment by herself. But that's just a theory... a SHAME theory...

Motorsheep

2023-09-20 23:55:49 +0000 UTC

I'd rather see the 58-62 min "To cut" part to stay in, and instead shorten down the MMR part(mostly the the second half). This "to cut" segment shows other angles of their channel that feels crooked, while the MMR part gets a little long winded. Also the 62-63 min joke would not hit as well without the previous "to cut" segment.

Oskar

2023-09-20 10:08:35 +0000 UTC

Something I felt like you should have touched on was that Blair did have writers. Many of them apparently, and who knows what they actually did. But I do know that one of them at the time everything with Blair blew up was Robin Nelson, who's one of the VOs for Emkay (which, speaking of content mills, there you go). But anyway it was in his Twitter bio for the first few months of 2022? I'm hesitant to say this just knowing what Blair's done to people she was close with, but if you wanted a primary source, he's maybe not a bad choice.

Kelsey Hoover

2023-09-20 00:54:04 +0000 UTC

Regarding the bit where you show that IiIluminaughtii cited a pirate site rather than Hulu, I think there's something poignant/incredibly depressing about the juxtaposition of a creator strip-mining a documentary so they can paste a thin veneer over it and generate sponsor and plushie revenue, and them choosing (or more not caring enough not to) direct viewers to a piracy site, directly lessening the revenue that can be generated for those that actually did the work (in theory anyway - I know that anyone that actually worked on the doc has roughly zero chance of ever seeing proceeds from hulu subscriptions as a result of their work because we live in a capitalist hellscape, but that's a different conversation). I think the entire section should stay, or at least, should be uploaded alongside the main video, mostly because its good but also because she sucks and deserves to be shown for what she is.

William Whitty-Ryan

2023-09-19 19:18:00 +0000 UTC

I like how you pointed out that only people with a lot of knowledge on the specific topic will notice how sloppy Illuminaughtii's content is. I used to watch her videos occasionally until the whole exposed as a terrible person thing. But I probably would have noticed how lazy and derived her content was if I had seen a video that talked a lot about molecular science.

Austin Luther

2023-09-19 18:04:03 +0000 UTC

I don’t think he sued them but he definitely pointed it out and got a lot of people saying it’s all in his head. He’s got public posts on his Patreon about what he’s been up to. Not recently though. Hope he returns one day.

Nina

2023-09-19 18:03:45 +0000 UTC

Is Sideways in a legal battle with Vox? Poor guy, he does really great musical analysis. I just heard he'd stepped away from YouTube for personal reasons.

Austin Luther

2023-09-19 17:57:14 +0000 UTC

Yeah there was like a three day period where I binged a lot of her content but then I just hit a wall where I was like "wait this is all so similar and seems so dull compared to other creators on this website" and then unsubbed. Guess that was a good instinct haha

sgthombre

2023-09-19 17:35:05 +0000 UTC

illuminaughtii part is definitely long but the subject is good

Jordan Knezha

2023-09-19 13:35:25 +0000 UTC

I see some comments saying that the illuminaughtii part goes on a while. My view is that your commentary on her channel/practices is completely warranted given that you had a public interaction with her on twitter, and her practices are demonstrably harmful to the larger community. In explaining how plagiarism harms creators, I think hers is a very informative example, especially when it comes to the manipulation tactics she employs against her own following.

Evasive Emu

2023-09-19 03:25:14 +0000 UTC

To her, Emeveryone from Brian Deer to Oz are just pawns to use and abuse.

RogueDragoness

2023-09-18 15:53:41 +0000 UTC

A little late to this party but I think Iiluminaightii section in full can stay. I think the idea is to drive home a point- and I think the point was made. I don’t see a reason to hold off a point. I see people talking about pacing etc. they know more than me. I just think the average viewer (me, probably, people like me) could be hit in the head over and over a little more to help absorb the point. I’m in favour of what he’s made. Either way exciting for the final product.

LadyTato

2023-09-17 20:10:09 +0000 UTC

Illuminaughty stuff has been the algorithm darling for a bit, so the huge side by sides of her work do feel extra repetitive - however, I think we should normalize 15 hour videos, so that's fine. There's also whatever the hell happened with Internet Historian's Man In Cave video getting supernuked for plagiarism as a cautionary tale, for how likely or not it might be for her to get takedown sniped someday.

C W

2023-09-17 07:23:56 +0000 UTC

That was my first thought too when I heard of this video. He’s definitely worth including not only for the audience response (especially as a contrast to Blair) and for the severity of the plagiarism. Vox literally won an Emmy.

Nina

2023-09-17 06:11:42 +0000 UTC

It’s almost two in the morning but I just saw your guest on supereyepatchwolf’s stream talking about this video. I haven’t had a chance to watch this cut yet (I will I promise) but I had to tell you about what is happening to Sideways (great music YouTuber that made that cats video) who has been dealing with this issue for two years and hasn’t been posting because of it. Vox allegedly plagiarized his video and won an Emmy for it.

Nina

2023-09-17 05:55:21 +0000 UTC

Holy shit after the latest update by Oz Media I wish you'd fucking demolished illuminaughty even more than you already have. What a fucking scumbag.

SmugKitsune

2023-09-17 01:20:00 +0000 UTC

I agree with this! Also, I started to find her videos incredibly grating to listen to (that weird fake and fast content mill lilt).

Claudia

2023-09-16 19:54:15 +0000 UTC

i'm getting an error has occursed messaged is that just me?

EvilElitest

2023-09-16 03:11:52 +0000 UTC

I saw a tweet earlier this week in which you said you had made a discovery on a currently being produced video... is it at all related to this topic or... the next one ?

E. Filleul

2023-09-15 13:23:44 +0000 UTC

I definitely think the Silent Hill stuff is really good! (the whole video is of course but seeing as how that is marked to be cut)

Morgan Sides

2023-09-14 20:51:02 +0000 UTC

The phenomenon you're describing where plagiarists reword sentences to avoid detection to the point of absurdity has an actual name: tortured phrases. You can find hilarious examples of tortured phrases in academic plagiarism, such as "counterfeit consciousness" instead of "artificial intelligence", "immense information" instead of "big data", "haze figuring" instead of "cloud computing", etc. I plagiarized these examples from the paper by Cabanac et al. (2021), available on arXiv (arXiv:2107.06751). Retraction Watch also has some articles on tortured phrases in academic writing that are well worth reading.

Jonathan Peck

2023-09-14 20:50:10 +0000 UTC

So ngl, I always thought there was something off about Illuminaughtiis videos, the quality always seemed inconsistent at the best of times, and most of them seem to end really suddenly, and really unsatisfyingly. And I always just assumed this was because she rushed to write them to stick to her quota of 3 videos a week. But now that I know she doesn't even write any of her videos, I have to question whether or not she even knows how to end a video in a satisfying way or if she has to "quote" that too.

Mythic

2023-09-13 08:29:40 +0000 UTC

Is there a way to keep most of the clips from the Illuminaughtii section, but make them shorter without losing the point? I agree that the pacing gets a bit bogged down in that section, but also think that the volume of examples is important to the point you're making.

orestes

2023-09-13 04:37:41 +0000 UTC

Enjoyed this, but I think you could cut out a lot of the Illuninaughtii stuff and make the point just as effectively. I feel like you give so many examples of her doing the exact same thing (particularly in the Brian Deere section) that started to feel repetitive. I appreciate that you need to show this isn't an isolated issue and is literally her entire videos, but it really affected the pacing for me. Looking forward to the rest of it! Keep doing what you do. ❤️

Beth Thomas

2023-09-12 18:11:30 +0000 UTC

I'm just gonna jot down my thoughts while I watch the video, do with it what you will :) The part at 11:47 feels a little repetitive, seeing as you mentioned that "people who are caught plagiarising, probably have done it and gotten away with it before" earlier in the video while discussing Filip Filip's "apology" video's remind me of the formula/checklist that I believe Pyrocynical made when Logan Paul apologised for the Forest Incident, and quoted after with other YouTuber apologies Another story about plagiarism is Morgz stealing MrBeast's ideas and thumbnails, but this might be too niche. What about the "Great artists steal" defense?

Nyx, the Deity of the Night

2023-09-12 07:57:34 +0000 UTC

can't wait to see the next two hours of this!

sven terje bang

2023-09-11 01:21:04 +0000 UTC

Wow, that disclaimer that you might ruin a youtuber I like would have been very relevant two months ago. Thankfully, I got tired of her videos just ending without payoff and moved on to other video essay tubers.

SmugKitsune

2023-09-10 06:46:12 +0000 UTC

Amazing job, thank you so much for sharing! I had not been familiar with Illuminaughti before, but I keep seeing her videos as recommended all the time. Looking at the examples you added, it genuinely would be hard to tell these are long strings of quotes.

Marta Przybylak

2023-09-09 11:59:42 +0000 UTC

this only makes sense if this is a video about illuminaughti, which i would disagree making for other reasons, but a video about her in particular would of course showcase mainly her but on a video about plagiarism, spending ALL of this time going on about how this one person's content in particular is all stolen. it comes off less as trying to show us about the ways in which content mills exist to create repetitive, boring content, and more of just wanting to get in on the drama

Phoenix Rose

2023-09-05 20:28:01 +0000 UTC

I think it might be good to edit it down for the Youtube video but keep the whole thing for Patreon and please do draw attention to the fact that a lot of this was cut (i.e. what you show in the final edit are not cherry-picked examples; there's a whole lot more). You could also release the full comparison on Youtube as a separate video (not sure if this would screw over your YT stats).

Anita Karsa

2023-09-03 10:59:06 +0000 UTC

I'm very late to this conversation, but I really like the part in the beginning where you reach into your ruined sleeve as a pocket. Please keep that part in the video to please ME in particular. It's quite important.

MortenGru

2023-09-03 01:14:21 +0000 UTC

I remember me and my partner finding Illuminaughtii's videos and liking them as a sort of summary and overview of something interesting. I also remember us talking about how the heck she can make so many videos in such a short space of time - oh how naive we were! Blair's history of different content mills was definitely interesting, and gives good context for the current incarnation of her channel. I also thought it was funny you took aim at drama channels when we all know as soon as this video hits YouTube it will be mined for every grain of "drama".

Dan Bryant

2023-09-01 14:43:42 +0000 UTC

Dont cut too much! Showing the full scale of her theft is a lot better than just showing a couple examples and saying "you know those examples? All of her videos are like that."

SnowSkeeze

2023-09-01 02:52:10 +0000 UTC

I'll go out on a limb and disagree with the people saying you should trim a lot of the illuminaughtii stuff. I thinks it's important to go beyond just showing a couple legit examples, and show the true scale of her theft. People are saying "I get it, you can move on," but the point isn't to convince you. It's to show that practically every second of "content" she produces is stolen. One or two solid examples is too easy to dismiss as an aberration and wiggle out of. If you go through an entire video and show all of her lines side by side, you get a clearer picture of what she's actually doing than you would if you just said "you know those examples I showed? The whole video is like that."

SnowSkeeze

2023-09-01 02:37:11 +0000 UTC

I'm a bit late to the party here but would just like to add to the chorus of comments here and on YouTube saying don't cut the Silent Hill stuff! It has more footage of you speaking and giving your opinion than the MMR section, which makes it feel more personal and less like you're just providing a litany of clips for evidence.

All-Natural Fig Jam

2023-08-30 15:26:43 +0000 UTC

Thanks! I'm making a lot of cuts to this section, so hopefully it flows much better

Hbomb

2023-08-30 12:55:51 +0000 UTC

Corroborated* lol. And thank you!

Noah Mendell

2023-08-29 23:40:55 +0000 UTC

i dont think that it qualifies entirely as heresay as it has been co-oberated (i have no idea how to spell that word) by the actual person who wrote the note. although if youre going to include it, maybe make sure to include a warning about its mention and maybe try to find a way to seem less "flippant" (something im sure is not the intention)

Zagreus

2023-08-29 23:28:05 +0000 UTC

This is great so far! Too lazy to read the other comments (as is the theme of the video) to see if anyone else suggested it, but some of the Illuminaughty comparison clips are a bit too long. After like 30 seconds, I'm just thinking "I get it, she copied it. I don't really want to hear what she copied for this long."

Kellen Malone

2023-08-29 23:04:18 +0000 UTC

Echoing what the comments say, needs some trimming on the illuminaughty stuff but other than that, hilarious and informative as always!

Josh Gribben

2023-08-28 00:31:47 +0000 UTC

I have to agree on pretty much every point here. I distinctly thought to myself about half-way through the illuminaughti stuff: "I get it, i get what you're saying" and spent the rest of the video looking forward to moving on to another example. It was all still great, really enjoyed it but did labour a bit too much on stuff.

Josh Gribben

2023-08-28 00:23:53 +0000 UTC

Keep the Ben Shapiro joke ….i need it! Thoughts: Maybe use more of a secondary outline for the different forms of Blair’s documentary karaoke- since each of your examples highlights different ways of hiding the original work….but i think comes out as “just another example” when viewing it the first time around. To me i see this: A. The duet (your first example with Brian Deer documentary then Blair taking turns reading) B. The solo with occasional improvisation (the Wikipedia stuff) C. Wardrobe change using filters (Fyre) to trick YouTube In the end, it is still karaoke, but with different ways of trying to hide the karaoke machine. Speaking of music, seems like plagiarizing songs is easier to litigate (e.g. the Robin Thicke and Marvin Gaye lawsuit among others) versus writers. Sorry if anyone else made this point, i did not read all the posts. Well done. Can’t wait for the final product!

Powndini

2023-08-27 16:12:17 +0000 UTC

So, it took me a while to get to this and I’ve now watched it three times to try to figure out exactly wasn’t working for me. I think you’re spending too much time in this first part of the video on this copy/paste behavior when most people will probably already agree that it is wrong, especially after they’ve been shown a couple of examples. (Clearly, this does not apply to some especially vocal parts of Blair’s audience, but I think that they are the outliers in this case.) By giving so much time to instances of outright copyright infringement, both from Blair and from others, you might be undermining the stickier (and to me more interesting) issue here. This gets highlighted by your inclusion of Brian Deer’s tweet at 1:25:40, which points out that the plagiarism that BBC4 did—where more clever and well-resourced creators launder and re-present someone else’s work/ideas—is way more insidious. You mentioned that some of what Blair is doing falls more into the latter idea of plagiarism, but most of what we see reads to me as the former. I don’t really know if this is where you’re planning to go next in the second half of the video. If you are going to spend more time discussing this idea laundering issue, it might be more effective to get to that point more quickly, since it’s probably going to take more discussion to get the audience fully on your side. Also, this may be too pedantic for most of your audience, but it might be worthwhile to distinguish between copyright infringement and plagiarism. At least in US IP law, plagiarism isn’t wholly a legal issue. While plagiarism can include copyright infringement, there are kinds of plagiarism that are effectively not illegal. It doesn’t make it ethically right obviously, but I think that since you start out with a US legal case, it might be a distinction worth making, especially since it goes a long way towards explaining why there haven’t been many successful plagiarism legal cases. Anyway, despite all of the criticism, I did really enjoy this, and I’m looking forward to the second half of the video! I’m a librarian in higher ed, so I spend way too much time thinking about citation and the difference between synthesis and regurgitation. I’ve been thinking for a little while about creating my own video essay about citation in audiovisual media, and this has gotten me riled up enough that I might actually go get started on that script.

M Roos

2023-08-26 16:20:37 +0000 UTC

oh, absolutely, but it depends whether the point of this is video is "there is a problem and fuck this youtuber in particular" or "there is a wider problem and here it is laid out". Admittedly, this is only a part of the video.

timberhill

2023-08-26 08:21:58 +0000 UTC

I did also just learn today (from the podcast You're Wrong About) that the guy who ran the Stanford prison experiment apparently just copied it from one of his grad students, too, so if you decide to keep that part, that could be a fun little fact to bring up. It's plagiarism all the way down!

Stormbourne

2023-08-25 22:33:11 +0000 UTC

while i do think the illuminaughti section goes on a while, i dont think the 'shots taken' are unnecessary even in the slightest. She's been making tons of money doing low effort copy paste video essays, she and anyone else like her deserves to be made fun of lol.

nyans

2023-08-25 19:55:47 +0000 UTC

If you do decide to cut the iilluminaughtii bit (I think it runs too long/repetitive but I don't think it necessarily takes potshots when the point is that she's been doing low-effort monetizable content for a long time in different genres), there are some other "video essayists" recently being caught out for similar behavior you could also point to -- first one top of mind is James Somerton, recently caught copying text wholesale from books and blocking anybody who points it out. I think you've got a good point when you say that video essays are getting content-milled these days, but to really drive it home it might take pointing out other people who do it.

Stormbourne

2023-08-25 01:49:45 +0000 UTC

Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was waaayyy too much. Like, I think it's an interesting topic to discuss, but there's a lot of redundancy in this long a discussion on it.

Aurora H.

2023-08-25 00:25:44 +0000 UTC

going to go with the seeming-consensus and also what i said on the youtube video and say that the illuminaughti section goes on for way too long and takes unnecessary shots at her, when the video is supposed to be about plagiarism and it's toxic effects on content creation as a whole very much looking to see how the rest of the video goes; seems like it can go in a lot of very interesting directions and the mention of AI from some seems very promising

Phoenix Rose

2023-08-24 19:54:21 +0000 UTC

Please don't cut the Shapiro joke. It's too good, the world needs to hear it.

Austin

2023-08-23 19:49:42 +0000 UTC

I might recommend omitting the bit about the suicide note at the end, just because (I would assume) it's hearsay. If there are receipts that I'm not aware of then nvm but if not it might look like your reaching a bit for your argument. Great video otherwise. Very personal and insightful about the current state of video essays and edutainment!

Noah Mendell

2023-08-23 17:22:12 +0000 UTC

I like that you brought up how plagiarist will steal from less important figures cause this was a plot point in the Peter Bogdonovich film What's Up Doc when the issue of the grant money being resolved cause it turned out that Kenneth Mar's scientist character plagiarised his findings from a very obscure old journal that was only published once and thought forgotten.

Molly Rasberry

2023-08-23 17:20:28 +0000 UTC

One thing I noticed is Blair's cadence seems very similar to Kevin Perjurer from Defunctland which got me thinking, do other popular, reputable channels, like Defunctland, do documentary/explainer videos well and without plagiarizing? I'd love to hear some comments about this, to further hammer in your points of some channels doing this especially badly. Not sure if additions are what you're looking for with these pre-screenings, but thought I'd chime in, I guess this is more of a note than a request anyway. Looking forward to seeing the final video!

Michael Peckover

2023-08-21 22:07:15 +0000 UTC

I do! I don't think it would be fair to release it, though. For all my jokes there's a level of meanness that feels wrong.

Hbomb

2023-08-21 13:55:52 +0000 UTC

Thanks! I'm still going back and forth on so many sections and I think this decided it for me

Hbomb

2023-08-21 13:54:40 +0000 UTC

I feel like you should keep some of your critique of the quality of Filip's content, specifically the comparison between his and nihongo's arcade stick review. I agree that it initially feels like kicking a man while he's down, but I also think it's an important view into how plagiarism can be a substitute for a lack of identity, and not just a result of laziness. And besides, watching a man use an arcade stick for a platformer and claiming "this game is so much better now" is so bizarre yet priceless.

Ryta

2023-08-21 01:23:03 +0000 UTC

"He stole because he wanted fame and money." I would argue that that is the tragedy. Someone that believed fame and money was so important that they lied and stole and tried desperately to be something that they never should have tried to be. And then, when they were exposed, were humiliated on a scale that few humans in history will ever experience. And then, for years, still kept trying, kept clinging to that false dream, that false belief that being heard is so important, even if you don't have anything really to say. Filip absolutely is a tragedy, not because he's good person that did a bad thing and suffered more than was fair, but because he bought into a lie that his culture was feeding him from day one, and he clinged to it, for years, long past when everyone else could already see it wasn't going to happen. And now, here we are, talking about him, years later, as just this pitiful cautionary tale. But I think that should be the lens through such we view him at this point. Pity. And hope. Hope that he's learned that the things he was willing to steal and lie for weren't really worth anything in the first place. And hope that he's found some kind of honest, dignified life for himself. There's so many people out there, right now, hurting people, lying, stealing, pursuing the same lie as Filip, and they're growing. I save my anger for those people. For Filip, I just hope he's able to find some kind of peace.

Lulaire Noroub

2023-08-20 04:43:57 +0000 UTC

I don't have anything profound to say, just know that your doing incredible work (outtakes and all). Also by any chance do you have lukiepoo's full response video archived? I'd love to watch that.

MaskMeh

2023-08-19 23:16:38 +0000 UTC

I have never felt before like a crime has been TOO proven before. It was all very thorough, very well put together, but the pacing is off. I 100% agree with Violet though, the Ben Shapiro joke was amazing... I'd cut some of the side by sides and add more Ben Shapiro burns 😂

Laura Webb + Michael Garcia

2023-08-19 14:53:03 +0000 UTC

i really like the video as it is honestly, get rid of any comparisons if you want to but that shapiro medusa joke is gold

Violet De Boer

2023-08-19 14:07:03 +0000 UTC

Voicing my agreement with the consensus: The pacing of the video is rather hamstrung by the side-by-side comparisons of the original content and its plagiarized derivative. There are several videos out already doing such comparison. It might help to keep these comparisons limited to the most illustrative stuff ("been long controversial" sure is a sentence).

Håvar Skancke Karlsen

2023-08-19 03:30:14 +0000 UTC

This becomes The Endless Eight, like I get the bit here, but I’m so over it I had to stop multiple times lll.

Alrx

2023-08-18 18:20:53 +0000 UTC

Squeezed out? I believe you mean "extruded" (I hope nobody has already made this joke on the plagiarism video)

Daniel Lewycky

2023-08-17 20:38:24 +0000 UTC

I like how long and repetitive (forensically thorough and well-researched) and angry (justifiably) it is.

Seb

2023-08-17 20:19:53 +0000 UTC

Overall I am in favour of this video's subject. That said this might be my least favourite of your current output in its current unfinished state. I will list my reasons although it seems to align with what a number of people have already stated here. 1) It feels overly repetitive, your instincts on what need cutting are honestly on the money. You only need a few examples to get the point across. If you are concerned about people not believing how prevalent it is why not make a separate unlisted video with more examples and link to it. Add a section in the vid where you can point the still unconvinced people towards it. 2) There is a element of mean spirited-ness that is present that this material doesn't need. I think because you are used to handling scumbags like Crowder your overall style is great at giving back what they dish out. In the case of Filip his channel has been dead for a year and he was publicly ostracised, bullied and belittled in a punishment that didn't fit the crime. Did he do bad, yes. Has he taken his lumps and then some, yes. As for illumanaughtii I think removing the mention of some of the other drama could help your case. It feels vindictive to mention the suicide note stuff and could make the video age like milk if whatever those allegations are turn out to be a nothing burger. Focus on the verifiable, her plagiarism and bizarre treatment of Legal Eagles editor. Anyway I hope this feedback is useful. Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.

James Leach

2023-08-17 15:57:57 +0000 UTC

You've been repeating yourself like crazy, in this and the deus ex video. What's up with that? It really hurts the pacing and makes the videos boring any lecturey. Like bro I heard you the first time. This would've been better as half the length

David Farrell

2023-08-17 09:54:14 +0000 UTC

Yesss hello fellow Australian media-about-media/ABC enjoyer haha! Given how much of our news is dominated by Murdoch, the fact that the ABC has so many great shows pushing back against that is super valuable. Plus they're just generally very entertaining, and not afraid to have a bit of fun (even at their own expense) which is enjoyable to watch. And honestly, given I grew up always watching those shows, it probably explains why I enjoy the sort of video essay content I do, so thanks for making me realise that lol

carapace

2023-08-17 02:01:27 +0000 UTC

I think when it comes to school, the idea is that it is a combination of writing about something that you aren't passionate about (so you aren't thinking about it/ don't care enough to have your own words to say about it), and the anonymity of your paper being one of 30+ that your teacher has to grade in a week. You know that they don't have time to look at all of your sources so you plagiarize because you can get away with it.

Little Onion Sprout

2023-08-15 14:26:16 +0000 UTC

the cornucopia of evidence of plagiarism stops becoming a feast of comedy and instead becomes an avalanche of evidence so encumbering that it completely eclipses the memory of filip in the same video and instead becomes an illuminaughty video.

m0sifer

2023-08-14 02:01:11 +0000 UTC

I do perfectly understand the urge to do an hour long rant about illuminaughty, we all do, but I think it would help the pacing of the video to keep it short and sweet here. Id say establish the plagiarism of brian deer, jump straight to an abridged version of the fyre fest stuff (you only need 3 blatant examples tops) then move onto the Legal eagle stuff, her response and her abuse of a suicidal employee. Ahh sorry, how did that get on there, hmm guess thinking about illuminaughty got me a bit riled up...

Alice Alysia

2023-08-14 00:15:07 +0000 UTC

My eyes went 👀 at Lindsay Ellis's books in the trash (?!) at 2:30

Daniel Leach

2023-08-13 05:57:28 +0000 UTC

I don't know. The Illuminaughtii part just goes on and on. I got the point of the bit within the first 10 minutes: she's a lazy hack and is a good example of the garbage content mill. But the it just goes on and on. It's also grating because I don't think most people watching will know who that is and why the video is devoting so much time to some otherwise forgettable internet personality. The entire segment feels like it's beating a dead horse. But perhaps that's clever the joke of the segment? Like, going back and forth over and over ad nauseam as a sardonic way to illustrate how much effort and research should be done in the name of serious subject matter and documentarian-style video essays? Mean all the best! You are a busy boy my goodness.

Count Crackula

2023-08-12 20:53:45 +0000 UTC

Is the Good Doctor Foundation associated with the show The Good Doctor?

kingmushido

2023-08-12 02:41:30 +0000 UTC

Whoops, accidentally hit enter too soon. I wanted to say that my most urgent piece of advice is definitely don't keep the line about how fucked up it is that she maybe shared a suicide note. It feels off-topic and like it's just there to make her look worse. Also, I know nothing about about drama, but if it ends up that she did nothing wrong (wrt that issue specifically) you won't feel good to have contributed to misinformation, even in a super mild way. I did really like how you said "good luck with the other 4(? or so" things while addressing her directly, that was funny without crossing any lines. In my opinion at least.

(Gay) Rosencrantz

2023-08-11 16:39:40 +0000 UTC

I love this video. Definitely cut down the illuminaughti stuff; though not your intent, it is likely to appear as a personal grudge and just provoke unproductive conflict. Could probably cut half the examples, or at least speed them up a little.

(Gay) Rosencrantz

2023-08-11 16:37:10 +0000 UTC

Think the Illuminaughti section should be trimmed way back. I got to ~55mins and realised that the next ~40 were still going to be on her and had to stop. By that stage I'd got the point. In fact I'd had the point rammed through my brain. And it was painful.

Sam Fairley

2023-08-11 14:36:02 +0000 UTC

Also, I'm really looking forward to the second half of this! And I thought the exploration of why people plagiarize is particularly interesting. Plagiarism at my grad school was so rampant that basically every professor had their own unique way of detecting and discouraging it. For my final group project, I had to ask for an extension because the other 4/5 of my group had all plagiarized their parts and I had to essentially redo all of them. I've always wondered why people do that.

Elizabeth Greenberg

2023-08-11 14:27:20 +0000 UTC

I second? Third? trimming the Illuminaughtii section. I definitely understand that it's this long partly because she misrepresented the contents of a shorter video, but I still feel like you could make the point effectively with maybe half the examples.

Elizabeth Greenberg

2023-08-11 14:22:35 +0000 UTC

Enjoyed! I would say it doesn’t quite have the same escalation of the OOF video, which (to me) makes it feel a little longer than it actually is. But then Blair is generally a less interesting person than Tommy, especially when you’re trying to avoid the quagmire of her associated dramas.

dan le sac

2023-08-11 13:53:42 +0000 UTC

I would say that the marked-for-cutting section on Miucin's history should stay; I think it provides essential context for the guy and his "work". The to-be-cut section on Iiluminaughtii should probably go, and the final stretch of excerpting from her videos goes on WAY too long; it was excruciating by the end.

Izzy Killeen

2023-08-11 00:22:40 +0000 UTC

REPENT, HARLEQUIN

Sydney Roper

2023-08-10 13:17:37 +0000 UTC

Maybe that bit with handles on it at 3:19 is my favourite part. I've long held a little suspicion that our idea of what 'art' is now allowed to be much more derivative, and more allowed and celebrated if it's also highly transformative, because of the 'remix is original work' nature of the space. I have a positive feeling about that, generally.

Crescent Minor

2023-08-09 20:38:28 +0000 UTC

When the full version of this comes out can I just take the video, dub my own audio over yours, and edit out your face from the video? I'll put a link in the description so everyone knows I used you as a source.

Kamikaze Sasquatch

2023-08-09 20:10:09 +0000 UTC

I'm echoing others, but the Illuminaughti section could be trimmed down. Specifically the Fyre Festival bit. It has some good jokes, but at some point it starts to feel less like a video solely about plagiarism and more like a personal vendetta. That said, the LukiePoo apology gag was chefs kiss.

Slade Dillard

2023-08-09 15:46:14 +0000 UTC

never thought I'd see him beef with other y******rs again

Connie Smith

2023-08-09 02:10:49 +0000 UTC

Agreed

Jahaha

2023-08-08 18:05:29 +0000 UTC

Hold on I need to draw you swinging a baseball bat at a beehive, then I can give more insightful input. (REALLY Good stuff so far!)

Corvidivus

2023-08-08 15:29:50 +0000 UTC

This is a good point. Her views are down 90% and her reputation is trashed already. Not because of the plagiarism but because of the adjacent drama which understandably Hbomb sidestepped. It makes for a weird watch from someone who has context about the fallout from the other accusations (like myself). If the thesis is supposed to be about content farms and not Blair exclusively then unfortunately a lot needs to be cut to make that clear.

Ashley

2023-08-08 14:33:52 +0000 UTC

Maybe she can take a frame of Harris looking silly and lie about a bunch of the things he said, like she did last time.

Renteks

2023-08-08 14:26:37 +0000 UTC

Wish I had more critique to add, all I can say is I love what I've seen so far and I'm very excited for the final vid!!

Nic Weyand

2023-08-08 03:33:51 +0000 UTC

oh finally! something to do for the next two hours!

Coughing Sounds

2023-08-08 03:25:41 +0000 UTC

Bravo, can’t wait to see the rest!

BiscuitSneaker

2023-08-08 00:20:29 +0000 UTC

Cut nothing. Release 15 hour videos, I can't listen to you enough at work.

Tuna Fish

2023-08-07 23:14:17 +0000 UTC

Yesss it’s exactly that

Ren

2023-08-07 22:48:36 +0000 UTC

First of all, I love this concept and what we can already see! Since you asked for opinions on cuts here goes: I do like the parts you said you want to cut (as in Id actually mostly keep them in), but I think you can significantly cut down on the examples from Blair, especially the Fyre festival ones and even significantly on the vaccine ones (tho i get why these are important to you and I loved the update from Deer!). I loved the parallel reading where the voices overlap and I think after that would be a powerful ending of this section. Then when you tell Rachel to play more clips of the Fyre festival video, I think you can just play a few more seconds and then be like 'Ah I think you get it' (because we do). I don't know what else you have planned but I'd love to see a few more examples than just Blair, though she is a very famous one. It doesn't need to be that much as I know it's also not easy finding these. I agree with the others that the Shapiro joke should be kept in :D. (also oh my god that Deer could actually track the sales of his book on the graph like you wished for!! I love that for you!) Good luck with the rest of the video and I really like this format of feedback :)

Ashe_Wottlin

2023-08-07 22:46:14 +0000 UTC

I’ve got no beneficial critiques lol but I think in the context of AI this is such an interesting video. Are all of these examples of plagiarism not also what AI does. cutting up chunks of other peoples work, splicing it together and then calling it new? it’s frustrating to me that calling a person who does this a plagiarist is much easier than convincing them that when lines of code do it, it’s also bad.

Ren

2023-08-07 22:42:51 +0000 UTC

I think this is absolutely fantastic so far! I definitely agree with the cut content sections, except for the one between 58:30 and 1:02:50, i think that actually adds a lot to the video and doesn't detract from the pacing at all! (Also I really like the Ben Shapiro joke). I agree with the other comments that you could definitely cut down on the Fyre examples a little, that section did drag on just a little bit too long.

knife cat

2023-08-07 21:31:59 +0000 UTC

i get where you are comming from but Filip is very much not a tragedy. He stole because he wanted fame and money. Just because he didnt do that very well and didnt succeed doesnt make him a tragedy. Obviously if the amount of hate he got is what you described thats inacceptable but that is another topic of people being shit online. People can be shitty and also be treated unfairly.

Kiki

2023-08-07 16:12:18 +0000 UTC

I really like the inclusion of the stuff that's being cut! I agree the pacing is going to be better without it but as a patreon bonus it's fun seeing that content and seeing how the original compares to the final work, so thanks! <3

Anathema

2023-08-07 05:09:09 +0000 UTC

I was surprised someone as prideful as Tellerico didn't really respond to the oof video, though it also probably didn't hurt his bottom line like this will for Blair. She'll almost certainly have to respond to this when the full version is published.

Oxnard Mantalvo

2023-08-07 01:29:07 +0000 UTC

I didn't know anything about the iilluminaughtii drama until watching this video. I used to watch her all the time in high school and I never even thought about the Idea of checking her sources. thanks to this video Im going to be careful about whom I watch. also HI! Hbomber you are my first Patreon subscribed creator.

Jahaha

2023-08-06 18:07:29 +0000 UTC

Awesome!

Why Forgot

2023-08-06 14:55:03 +0000 UTC

I have just fully finished watching this, I think you could cut a chunk of the examples of blaire talking because your point would be made just as well with fewer, and it might help keep the pacing a bit snappier. There are also some absolute banger jokes in the cuts which could be recontextualised with content that isn’t being cut. I am so happy to be able to watch this as my first patreon sub video.

EggsMcGee

2023-08-06 14:23:00 +0000 UTC

If you find the space, leaving the bit about every one of blair’s videos spawning a new community of haters in would be worth it. I stopped watching her after her tequila video and it made me so irritated I blocked her. I felt very seen

EggsMcGee

2023-08-06 13:45:19 +0000 UTC

Hey, so, hmm. I don't... love this? I mean, it doesn't really matter what I think. Plus it's an important topic, it's high quality, it's definitely the hbg I know and love. Buuuut, Filip isn't Wakefield. Filip was a hack with a dream, that found himself doing a job he couldn't do, and, yeah, it was bad. He absolutely shouldn't have done what he did. And also, yeah, he was manipulative in how he kept trying to control the message. But that guy got it hard. All the pent up anger and frustration of so many people. The left, the right, the centre, for a period of time, everyone hated him just so much. I posted a message to his video at the time, sympathising with him, but telling him his career was over, he needed to do something else, but that it was okay, he just didn't have to be a YouTube guy. I knew no one would read it, but I just felt like, it was something he needed to hear, just on the of chance he read it. He didn't get that message one way or the other. He kept his own channel going for years. Decent production, regular uploads, sure the content was nothing, but it's still clearly work. His videos struggled to get a thousand views. Looks like he finally gave up about a year ago. It's just so sad. A guy that should never have been doing this in the first place, just bleeding out for years in front of an audience of sureal levels of hatred. Alls I'm saying is, go a little easier on Filip. Not on the history or the facts or the things he did. But he's not Wakefield, he's not out there actively killing people for profit. He's a tragedy. Not because his career failed, but because he believed that was an important thing to be in the first place, he just kept singing and dancing, hoping that something would change, and it was just never going to happen. Louie CK feels sorry for himself, but he's still rich, still famous, still has a platform. It's just not as big, because he was a creep, and most of his audience just had no more patience for that crap. Filip has nothing. Plagiarism and hatred are the only things anyone knows him for. I don't know where he gets his money now, but my guess is, he got a job. Jobs are hard enough as it is, but he's doing it with all of this preceding him. I just can't help but feel bad for him. Just throw him a bone, I guess... sorry

Lulaire Noroub

2023-08-06 05:53:03 +0000 UTC

I definitely say keep in the Silent Hill bit. I feel like it helps with your broader point about Blair being sloppy both with her research as well as showing her pattern of making accusations in her work based on her own half remembrance of what she's content quoting, but also legitimately serves to further undercut her attempt to redefine Plagiarism in Part 3. Plus, it does keep the pacing consistent by giving a breathing spot between the Anti Vax and Fyre segments. Definitely keep.

Joshua Roberts

2023-08-05 22:35:10 +0000 UTC

this was fascinating and I can't wait for the second half. I remember watching your first plagiarism video long ago, so it's really nice to see you expand on the subject. I agree on the parts you said you're going to cut, I think my main note would be to cut some of the fyre documentary examples? there are plenty you provide and I think you make the point pretty well after the first few examples - esp the part after 1:11:30 which runs for about three minutes, I think it might get a little tedious to keep watching when the point has been proven. otherwise a wonderful video as always, plagiarism is such an important subject to talk about and I'm curious to see where you're taking this re: how to deal with the issue. thank you!!

Jordy

2023-08-05 20:54:52 +0000 UTC

I can agree with that! I'll say the fyre fest section is the most blatant display with what is wrong with this kind of "citations" but towards the end (and in other sections as well) when it just becomes back-to-back clip comparisons is less fun and interesting than the sections with actual commentary

Danny Couch

2023-08-05 20:40:54 +0000 UTC

I suggest the term "Tabloid-Tuber" for the most egregious drama tubers. Great video, can't wait for the rest.

Thuul

2023-08-05 19:50:35 +0000 UTC

That makes a lot of sense! I'm obsessed with anything to do with whales and dolphins, so (much like you with Butch Hartman) I assumed I'd followed the SeaWorld story too closely to learn anything new. Interesting that we both thought we'd followed a story too much, rather than thinking that iiluminaughtii may not have followed closely enough 😳 😂

Bec

2023-08-05 19:36:02 +0000 UTC

I found the long parts to be an issue with this specific thing you mention last, I rewatch hbomb videos constantly and love the length, but the comparison parts are like minutes and minutes without Harry at all, I really don't want to rewatch an echoed 10 minute clip of a fyre festival documentary for example.

David Rodríguez Madriñán

2023-08-05 18:32:50 +0000 UTC

Oh lmao you do get to exactly this in the next few minutes (I'm sorry, it bothered me enough to pause the video but I probably should have waited). In that case, then, I'll just encourage getting to this point more directly.

daeranilen

2023-08-05 17:14:21 +0000 UTC

Also, re: "it becomes plagiarism when you try to hide it" - I understand what you're trying to get at here, that repackaging another text is lazy but not plagiarism if you're honest and engaging in proper citation practices, but it sounds like you're saying that plagiarism requires malicious intent. I think it might be of use to you to know that as far as academia is concerned, plagiarism operates exactly like the copyright infringement issue with the Roblox oof. At least in terms of identifying whether your work has plagiarism, whether you MEANT to plagiarize or KNEW you were plagiarizing doesn't technically matter. Plagiarism is a yes/no proposition. It's a question of your failures in citation. Ethics are implicated not because we have to determine whether you personally are a bad person who did it on purpose or not, but because professionally you have an ethical duty to your fellow writers and scholars to fairly credit them for their work - so any failure of citation, regardless of your personal morals, is a breach of your professional duties. Now, of course we CARE whether you did it on purpose or not - but that has no actual bearing on whether or not your work contains plagiarism. It just has bearing on how you're punished for it.

daeranilen

2023-08-05 16:58:42 +0000 UTC

So I taught a first-year writing class at university for 7 years and tutored before that, and I just want to say: what iilluminaughtii is doing is unambiguously plagiarism. I can't tell you how many conversations I had to have with students about what constitutes quoting vs paraphrase vs summary vs plagiarism, and how often and where you have to include attribution if you're substantially pulling from a text (which comes up most often in literature reviews). But a key takeaway is: even if you make sure to properly introduce Brian Deer and his documentary at the top of your essay, and even if you include it in your works cited at the end, if at any point in your work I could construe his words for yours, that's not walking up to the line of plagiarism. That is plagiarism. Easily fixed and often unintentional plagiarism! But still plagiarism.

daeranilen

2023-08-05 16:41:10 +0000 UTC

See that was me with her Butch Hartman video. I was like "yeah, learned nothing new here." I just assumed it was because I had being following so close there wasn't much new info to gather.

KevlarNinja

2023-08-05 15:26:39 +0000 UTC

Harry, I have some terrible news for you : You use the term "chewed up and spat back in you're a little baby bird". You are plagurizing a video titled " Deus Ex: Human Revolution is FINE, And Here's Why" Released a year ago, perhaps you've heard of it?

Harper Onions

2023-08-05 11:01:07 +0000 UTC

I like the Illuminaughtii bit. I did grow up watching ABC's Media Watch with David Marr (I don't enjoy Paul Barry as much) and a lot of Media Watch is just proving plagiarism to snark at media and calling out dangerous misinformation. They usually have two people read the two articles at same time for the plagiarism pieces (usually while highlighting the words as they're read, sometimes on torn paper graphics so maybe Blair really liked Australian television) or do the back to back clips like here. It's not easy to convey plagiarism. I don't think I'm alone in "if you enjoyed Media Watch/Gruen, you'll enjoy hbomberguy" demographic. So I do think it'll be interesting to see if there is a noticeable difference in Australians raised with weekly news show covering plagiarism and thus having a higher tolerance/finding it extremely cosy and nostalgic vs people who didn't and their enjoyment of the Illuminaughtii section.

Hannah Anthonia

2023-08-05 06:05:05 +0000 UTC

1:03:00 When you were doing 'cartoon poses', I can't believe you didn't just make a cup of tea (with teabag tag hanging out) just appear in your hands, haha!

Naomi Hatchman

2023-08-05 04:48:41 +0000 UTC

What a treat for people who have watched the antivax video enough times to memorize the Brian Deer quotes <3 I agree the Illuminaughtii section feels too long and repetitive. But I think the Fyre Fest part of it is very strong. I'd suggest taking out the stanford prison experiment bit? and maybe some of the antivax video. the point of her section is made pretty quickly and it doesn't need as much time as it gets. (although I will mourn that the Ben Shapiro short statue joke will be cut... that's a good one!). I will say though that as someone that puts your videos on in the background in order to draw, I AM a fan of length and extra content. So I likely will be coming back to this version just for more of your flair of video making; my suggestions are only wrt the video as a persuasive essay :)

Danny Couch

2023-08-05 02:51:38 +0000 UTC

I like the Silent Hill section because that is a great example of a self perpetuating myth and specifically spread by the internet. I think the examples of reading articles directly can be trimmed and as odd as it might sound I think the Stanford Experiment can be dropped in favor of moving the Fyre festival stuff forward out of the “burned out on Blair zone.” I think it’s more impactful as it shows her using tricks to get around copyright strikes but it’s placement after so many other examples makes it lose its teeth. I did wince at the bringing up of the suicide note. If an example from the drama must be used, perhaps a more general comment about her broadcasting the mental health diagnoses of a former employee. That person is still active in creating content and probably doesn’t want that time in their life to be their legacy.

Itsa Wasa

2023-08-05 01:51:53 +0000 UTC

I totally understand all the comments calling for cuts, but my popcorn-eating ass wouldn’t have wanted to miss just a single second of this. Oh my gooood, one of the most satisfying videos yet.

Lin

2023-08-04 20:18:27 +0000 UTC

I loved this. Definitely agree with other posts that there needs to be a lot less of the proof-that-there-was-plagiarism stuff, just for pacing and to avoid beating a dead horse, but the experience of seeing it all laid out like that definitely did make an impression on me. I knew she was lazy and derivative but the sheer scope of the plagiarism is staggering

Glyph

2023-08-04 17:09:48 +0000 UTC

Another great video start. I'm looking forward to the whole thing. I also think the Silent Hill section should be kept. On my view, all content there helps with the overall context of the video. I wouldn't cut a thing. But again, the longer the videos for me, the better. Also, am I the only one waiting for Harry to put his hand in the wall, then look at the camera and say "you thought this was a green screen, didn't you? THIS IS REAL, I FOLLED YOU ALL ALONG"?

Hely Branco

2023-08-04 17:09:11 +0000 UTC

You complain about drama channels, but here you are, trying to start shit with Lindsay Ellis. . . . anyways, the video is fascinating and now I want to watch again to review your notes. I was an Ill. subscriber for maybe a year, kind of half-listening to her videos and thinking they were quite mid (as the kids say), and then the wheels came off. Even through the few decent videos of her dealings, no content creator I saw caught that she was just straight reading lines from the documentaries she “cited.” Yeesh.

Amanda Jones

2023-08-04 15:44:38 +0000 UTC

Strongly think the Silent Hill section should be kept! It reminds me of a post that Rod Hilton wrote about other famed plagiarist Elon Musk (I feel like there's another quote out there about mass media that's in the same vein, but I can't remember it well enough to find it): https://mastodon.social/@rodhilton/109572674700288958 Realizing that someone is talking shit when they start saying obviously wrong/recognizably plagiarized things about a topic you're knowledgeable in is both pretty relatable AND a core idea of the video. It's one of the big ways people start getting suspicious of someone's research. Hell, you could even apply that to Wakefield!

Marnix

2023-08-04 15:30:40 +0000 UTC

How do I know if I’m a worm or a beetle?

Sarah L

2023-08-04 13:52:07 +0000 UTC

I would agree with the general sentiment that the Blair section is too long. I think it needs to cap out at 30 minutes, otherwise it comes across less as criticism as more as a continuation of some Twitter beef, and just generally for pacing. Using the technique of overlapping the two voices together is a really excellent way of showing the same thing as playing them one after the other but saves time and is more attention-grabbing. I think it would be better to find more examples from a wider pool of videos and show the examples faster, keep the audience engaged a bit more. The points are all good, but it can get a bit repetitive seeing long examples of the same conduct played out one after the other. I actually think the stuff you were gonna cut in the Filip section about his original channel and content would be a big shame to lose - to me, it added a nice amount of context and character to the later stuff he got caught over. I'm generally of the opinion that being 'mean' isn't really something you should have to consider when critiquing work that people have put out into the world to make money from. Like, he should get called a talentless hack who had to steal because his own content was worthless, because that's the observable truth. It feels substantially less mean than something like Dan Olson's Nostalgia Critic video, which to me is the apex of criticism of other online content. Also I would personally lose the Pride Month joke, partly because it's obviously not Pride Month anymore but also because it's kind of a weak joke imo. Not terrible but I didn't really laugh compared to some other lines in here that got full belly laughs out of me. Really really fantastic video though, I've been itching for a followup to that old plagiarism video for years so it's great to finally see it. I also wonder why you're not just titling it 'Plagiarism: A Measured Response' or something like that since this does fit the format of some of the older Measured Response videos (specifically thinking of the Bill Nye two-parter). Would also be totally fair if the idea is to phase out that branding as a whole, but if that isn't the plan then this does fit with that series.

Lisa Haves

2023-08-04 13:31:05 +0000 UTC

At 51:12 there’s a strange audio glitch that needs fixing

Almighty Gadd

2023-08-04 11:18:02 +0000 UTC

really nice video maybe too much quotes at 38:00

Neuronyak

2023-08-04 07:06:03 +0000 UTC

Great video Hbbommerguyerer!

Nick

2023-08-04 06:36:43 +0000 UTC

Hell yea, not at all surprised that you’re already a Tran fan lol. He’s so fuckin cool

Beth

2023-08-04 03:30:07 +0000 UTC

also the FUCKton joke had me dying, loved that one

Butty "Kent" Butterson

2023-08-04 03:25:45 +0000 UTC

at 1:10:21 you used foie gras as a verb, it’s actually the culinary term for the liver of geese and ducks and not a process. something like pulverized or processed might work better, or maybe a different metaphor. if u wanna get real gross chewed up and what out could work

Butty "Kent" Butterson

2023-08-04 03:24:35 +0000 UTC

HBomber, do you know what video/topics Filip's deleted videos are on that you're looking for? I might be able to find some deleted videos for you if needed. Thx ☺️❤️

Raconteur M

2023-08-04 00:36:01 +0000 UTC

The iiluminaughtii section was definitely (horrifically) enlightening for me, especially the info about her Seaworld videos and the LegalEagle situation. The full extent of how dishonest and hypocritical these content farms are is a side of YouTube that I think is super important to dig into, and I thought your examination and explanation of Blair's work and its problems was really well done. Overall, I felt that the MMR section with all of its examples took up a bit too much time, and could probably be cut down or shuffled around for pace (though the other examples of Brian Deer speaking about plagiarism are essential imo.) I was really intrigued by the sheer variety of lazy content Blair creates, so I think giving more of that weight to some other examples of her videos (with less depth than the MMR) would help communicate the bigger picture of her character to the audience. Still, every part of the story as told by you was as gripping as ever, and I'm super excited to see the whole vid come together :)

Evely

2023-08-03 21:53:39 +0000 UTC

Obviously the video is not complete yet but I do feel the Illuminati section gets a bit repetitive. I think a trim might be in order as when I think about it some of the claims start to disappear as they pile up. I’m sure the rest of the video will go into other stuff but it feels like after awhile it starts to be more a video about Illluminati rather than the broader issue of plagiarism online.

Gracie May

2023-08-03 21:40:37 +0000 UTC

What can I say...we love books.

Arun Rajkumar

2023-08-03 21:29:29 +0000 UTC

Of the camp that the iiluminaughtii bit is too long and also necessary to explain just how widespread the plagiarism goes. I'm not an editor, but that part where she was talking, and then the original narrator was talking, and then you overlapped both voices really emphasized how bad it was for me. Just as I was starting to get fatigued that pulled me back in. Maybe if you do cut her bit, you could emphasize the point using something like that more? Like a cut of multiple videos with that sort of framing?

Duck

2023-08-03 20:45:18 +0000 UTC

i understand why you'd cut the shapiro joke, since you're cutting everything that leads directly to it, but it's really funny XD. i also love the "or strap on, happy pride month!" line and think it would be hilarious if the video eventually comes out sometime other than june lol it looks like many people have already said this but i definitely think the Blair section is too long, it's an hour of the video and half way through i could barely focus because it became so repetitive. (not to mention that the content of it is literally repetative because it's her video and documentaries saying the exact same words, makes it really hard to focus on for this long.) i think showing some very distinct examples and stopping there is enough, it's not necessary to go through the entire fyre festival video or even as much of the vaccines ones. it's clear what she's doing from maybe 20 minutes worth of examples or less. and it feels like even you realized it's too many when you go "i don't have to do anything just hit play", since watching you talk about/analyze things is what i watch the videos for. it was definitely cool to see the things you were going to cut anyway! i was just surprised that almost none of the blair stuff was included in that. really curious what the direction of the rest of the video is going to be!

Quinn

2023-08-03 20:39:50 +0000 UTC

Which...is kinda fascinating, innit? To the point where it almost feels like it SHOULD be its own video. There's so much more going on than just the plagiarism here. I don't need DramaTube, but this weird little God complex seems at least as interesting as the whole Tommy T exposé, at least to me.

BLB

2023-08-03 19:50:01 +0000 UTC

Rewatched this last night and with the Filip stuff, it struck me how it seemed like he had an opinion on video games but didn't know how to express it. He thought it was fine to steal from other people who were putting into words the same opinions he was having, because in his mind "having an opinion" is the difficult part of being a critic, not "expressing it well." I think words, language, communication gets devalued as an art form because... we all use words every day, right? So how hard can it be? People don't understand that having an opinion or an idea is the EASY part of writing. Communicating that idea well is the whole challenge.

sarah

2023-08-03 19:21:50 +0000 UTC

I think that is kind of just semantics though. Her point is that Legal Eagle's videos have similar visual elements and the messages are evidence that the editor does in fact watch her content and uses it directly for inspiration. It's a stupid and hypocritical complaint but I don't think which effect the editor was asking her about and what video it was for is that relevant to the issue.

Chase

2023-08-03 18:58:59 +0000 UTC

This beetle agrees with the opinion that some of the Blair footage could be cut or shuffled, instead of focusing primarily on the MMR and Fyre videos perhaps a few more examples of her plagiarizing could be introduced as example cases without needing to go into too much depth? At the very least it will encourage folks interested in doing their own research to cross reference her work. I think the addition from Brian Deere is crucial to keep in, definitely.

Cass Svitak

2023-08-03 18:53:00 +0000 UTC

I appreciate all the examples of Blair's plagiarism for my own consumption, but agree some examples could be cut or shortened! I think yall already know this, so thanks for the extended cut! Excited to see the finished product!

Corrine Schaible

2023-08-03 18:44:13 +0000 UTC

In the past I've skipped over watching these rough cuts on the assumption that it might dissuade me from watching the finished version; "seen it before" and all that. However after two watches each of Pathologic and Deux Ex, three of oof.mp3 (my mother's disgusted and won't return my phonecalls) and five of RWBY, it's probably safe that I'll see the finished version regardless so I shall watch away

Sedric And Charlie

2023-08-03 18:27:40 +0000 UTC

The iiluminaughtii section where you're showing her reading off the Deer's documentary script in multiple instances is a bit too long imo. The sea world bit seems very relevant to the vid/doesn't need to be cut maybe?? I also listened to her when cleaning couple of times about MLMs, but then I took a look at her channel and it was really odd how 'diverse' the videos are on so many unrelated topics, as if she's kind of uninterested at any depth in all of those topics. Maybe lack of focus can be a plagiarism tell. She's probably going to be back someday but use AI or some bs to churn out similar guff.

SibirianBlue

2023-08-03 18:00:05 +0000 UTC

There’s a different Creative Commons license for that (a couple, actually), CC BY-NC (NC for “Non-Commercial”). https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/ Wikipedia uses the Share-Alike license, however, so commercial usage is permitted. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

Marcus Smith

2023-08-03 17:48:39 +0000 UTC

That’s what I thought, but I looked it up a little while ago and she isn’t totally kosher under the current version, which I believe has to do with financially benefitting from the work. I’ll find a link.

Kat Lo

2023-08-03 17:44:32 +0000 UTC

Oh, another thing. Something that I think gives some texture to the situation that I find important- the way its framed makes it seem like the editor was asking her for the paper tear or highlighter effect, which is an okay omission of detail, I get that it isn't a callout post on her specifically. But considering you spend so much time on Blaire and a lot of it is very repetitive, cutting some of that repetition and replacing it with the clarification that the effect the editor was asking how to create Wasn't the highlighter or paper tear effect actually used in legal eagles videos, but was a completely separate effect for his Own channel, is kind of relevant to me? She couldn't even actually call out the random editor for the videos on his own channel (because where's the clout in that, she can't namedrop Legal Eagle), she had to grab some completely unrelated effects that happen to be the same between her and Legal Eagle's videos to try and really stretch her case.

robbie

2023-08-03 17:29:10 +0000 UTC

Just peeked at a couple of Blair’s recent YouTube videos and her comment sections are almost exclusively people saying horrible shit about her. I’d never even heard of her before so maybe I’m missing context but I’m not sure this thorough of a takedown is necessary. Seems like she’s already in a downward spiral. Doesn’t quite hit in the same way as tommy t stuff. Other than that incredible work as always, seems like you maybe just got a lil too deep in the weeds on this one. Scrolling up I realize now this is a completely redundant comment but I’ve already typed it out so…

Chase

2023-08-03 16:24:43 +0000 UTC

If you want to cut the silent hill part that's cool but I liked the overall point that every new video she releases exposes her plagiarism to a group of people who know about the topic. That was my personal experience with her channel (in my case, the mlm stuff). Also, this is not a call out but didn't you use the "filters to avoid copyright" technique before, I think in the Sherlock vid? Again, not saying it's the same thing or accusing you of anything, just giving feedback that I thought about that when you were making that point.

Ashley

2023-08-03 16:11:37 +0000 UTC

While I don't disagree with the overall thrust of this, Iiluminaughtii is NOT a big corporate entity concerned only with profits. She's a small insular entity trying to emulate the power politics of a big corporate entity to feed her own ego, and that's part of the problem. If she were a big corporate entity concerned only with profits, she'd have PR people to oversee and manage this stuff, and they'd be effective at their jobs.

BestStressed

2023-08-03 16:03:32 +0000 UTC

I love the unhinged pronunciation of places in PA lol hearing them flawlessly handle "Youghiogheny" and then follow it up with "North Versailles" using full Ls is so funny.

Ashley

2023-08-03 16:01:27 +0000 UTC

Finished the video and I agree the parts on blair can feel a bit much and slightly mean spirited. I think mean spirited is acceptable with alt right youtubers, alan wakefield, someone in positions of power like tommy, or someone who personally wronged you like lukiepoo. However it feels off putting when your subject is someone like blair, who seems to be pretty dishonest but not at same magnitude

Dominic Florin

2023-08-03 15:19:37 +0000 UTC

I know I'm a broken record but definitely keep the Ben Shapiro joke lol. This could be redundant b/c I don't know what's in the second half, but I feel like it could be useful to contrast some of the accountability systems for different fields. I'm currently a law student, and it stood out to me how both higher education and law take plagiarism really seriously, there are really robust systems in place to hold people in the field accountable if they're caught plagiarizing. But it seems like that's not the case in the art field, especially in the more modern area of content creators on platforms like Youtube and Twitter? I'm sure Youtube's terms of service technically say that plagiarism is not allowed, but it seems like a top-down approach. Like corporations, or even individuals with enough money, like Colleen Ballinger, can hit people with content id, but if you don't have the resources, it doesn't seem like there's anything you can do except publicly call the person out. IDK, I'm not an expert, but I think this context might help contextualize why you have so many examples of Blair's plagiarism and why you're going in on her--because there really aren't many other ways to address plagurism in the Youtube content creation field

neonlesbean

2023-08-03 15:05:39 +0000 UTC

Still watching (and so far enjoying!) but a few notes... definitely cut the "to cut" sections on Filip... he's pretty dishonest and deserves the criticism, but at this point he's already been disgraced publicly and spending to much time on his lack of talent seem bit like dog piling. Also maybe reword your criticism on reagan, you're correct he did create the "war on drugs" which unjustly targeted communities of color, especially black communities... but the way you voiced your criticism might not be the best way for a white critic of reagan to phrase it

Dominic Florin

2023-08-03 13:42:01 +0000 UTC

I know some people aren't fans of the illuminaughtii section and I do agree that there are a couple places that repeat themselves and drag a bit, but overall I really liked it. I think that bringing up multiple examples is needed to show just how widespread this form of plagiarism is across her whole channel, and that kind of necessitates a justification for why you're saying it which means that this section is going to be longer. I know a few other folks have also commented on how this video feels mean-spirited, but personally it doesn't come across as any worse than like, any of your other videos that talk about people who do shitty things. I don't remember anyone having an issue with you absolutely dragging Tommy Tallarico or Andrew Wakefield or Sargon of Akkad. Sure, you're dragging Blair, but given the absolutely insane amount of work she's stolen? It's well-deserved.

Zyka

2023-08-03 13:02:30 +0000 UTC

This doesn't matter at all bc I'm pretty sure his audience have never used one, it just stood out to me

ChartSol

2023-08-03 12:53:08 +0000 UTC

Minor note on Filips arcade controller review, he's really obviously not using the controller, like he's very obviously holding it wrong and pressing the wrong buttons

ChartSol

2023-08-03 12:49:42 +0000 UTC

illuminaughti must have the award for most documentaries produced in her lifetime… her mother is very proud 😏

Starfield Signal

2023-08-03 12:32:43 +0000 UTC

On the subject of quoting Wikipedia articles and citing sources, it’s worth noting that Wikipedia articles are openly licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license. So it encourages you to copy, reuse and remix its content… as long as you obey the terms of the license. Which in the case of CC BY-SA are: 1) cite the source; and 2) any derivative works must be licensed under the same terms. Copy without doing that though, and you’re in breach. So ironically, reading out a Wikipedia article would have been absolutely fine, within the terms of the license, and encouraged, if she’d just cited the source (and licensed the video as CC BY-SA). 😅

Marcus Smith

2023-08-03 12:01:45 +0000 UTC

the endless examples of illumi triangle girl doing a quote read/pasting footage from various documentaries gets overbearing, just 30% of it would be more than enough otherwise it's all fine hog slop

Elias Forslind

2023-08-03 11:48:53 +0000 UTC

i mean, lukipoo went from literal piece of shit as his icon, to what... seems to be a riff on a greek neofascism symbol? so a downgrade there as well

Artie Wolfe

2023-08-03 11:35:33 +0000 UTC

Is "My Researcher, Ali and I" really three people or, "My Researcher Ali, and I"

Frog

2023-08-03 11:31:05 +0000 UTC

illuminaughtii section is a bit long. The ben shapiro joke is great, would feel sad to see it be cut ^^

whitefenix

2023-08-03 10:18:35 +0000 UTC

As always, I really enjoyed the video. It's a bit.. meta(?mind-freak?) learning about the depths of the soulless garbage other people put out, in this video that is obviously carefully, thoughtfully crafted, it's great. My gut reaction to seeing the first bit that will be cut, the part that mentions that anti-plagiarism measures could easily be weaponized, was 'omg no don't leave that out! that is so easy for people with privilege to overlook', but it is a very small point. Also, just wanted to says that I empathize sooo much with the bit at 1:00:30 about being amazed at the lack of effort, when people put fractions of fractions of effort into the same thing that I am doing and just do not seem to care about it.... it's almost like, then why even bother doing it?

BoxoKittens

2023-08-03 09:13:48 +0000 UTC

It's so interesting watching this because the only illuminaughti video I ever saw was her Seaworld one, and I remember thinking: "Huh. I didn't learn anything there that I didn't already know from watching Blackfish." Now I know why!

Bec

2023-08-03 08:45:18 +0000 UTC

It could use some cutting down for clarity and brevity. Also, I hate that I understood the circumcision joke.

Jesse Dusk

2023-08-03 08:01:33 +0000 UTC

At 1:14:49 there's a slightly weird cut. I can't quite tell if it's because of what she's saying or not but I think it was cut a tiny bit too early or late.

Lourdes Death

2023-08-03 06:34:27 +0000 UTC

i can’t say no visuals didnt hurt but most of the sections i felt were frivolous (extended portions of playing the fyre documentary and her video side by side) had working visuals. i think the fyre festival is good to have to show it can be hard to tell plagarism without the source material (which is why they try to file the numbers off their sources) but in my humble opinion any more time spent to just proving she plagiarized a documentary is wasted by this point in the video.

Will E.

2023-08-03 06:28:37 +0000 UTC

Hmm I don't think I agree, to my knowledge none of it is related to plagiarism in any way. (Just to be clear I'm not referring to the LegalEagle stuff here, that's definitely relevant! But like the Sad Milk/Discord stuff.) Bringing up unrelated accusations of bad behaviour is something I associate with like, Twitter call-outs, where it's just meant to be a 'no smoke without fire' way make you feel more negatively towards the person in question. The start of the video says it's about looking at ways to improve the issues of plagiarism, it's not a callout video! The lesson for this bit (just in my opinion) should be "Be more discerning and have higher standards for your content consumption," not "Also don't watch Blaire anyway because she's a bad person," which I think someone could currently take from this!

Charlotte Fabb

2023-08-03 06:11:22 +0000 UTC

Ventriloquism online

Coy Cadaver

2023-08-03 04:48:48 +0000 UTC

Man I used to watch the iilluminautii. Didn't realize how bad she was for plagiarism. By the way, I know you don't want to dive into these but if accurate you should probably know she gets pretty hecking vindictive. https://youtu.be/m-KaXJkerAA

Jonathan Robillard

2023-08-03 04:42:20 +0000 UTC

I really enjoyed this video. I agree with others that you could cut some of the examples of illuminaughti's plagiarism for time. I feel like this could even be a 2 part video if you really don't want to kill your darlings. Otherwise I am happy with the compromise of having extended versions of your videos available on patreon :)

Little Onion Sprout

2023-08-03 04:33:00 +0000 UTC

I feel like at that point it would just be an illuminaughti call out video very similar to the tallarico video. Including the details that you bring up here don't really have much to do with her plagiarism. i agree with other people that hbomb could even cut some of his examples of her plagiarism and still get the point across

Little Onion Sprout

2023-08-03 04:26:16 +0000 UTC

The moulin rouge bit is really funny and I can see why you'd want to share that anecdote about the vaccines video, but with the surrounding context of being about plagiarism, I thought the setup of "I spent really hard trying to find a version of the video without the timecode" was naturally leading to "and then Blaire used the same footage with no timecode, wonder where she got that!" but instead it was just a non sequitur funny story. I don't know if i'd even cut or restructure it, I just thought i'd point out it did add a bit of friction to my video-watching experience.

robbie

2023-08-03 02:51:34 +0000 UTC

35:37 SOUP EMPORIUM REFERENCE MY BOYYYYY HE'S MADE IT

bmueller

2023-08-03 02:37:56 +0000 UTC

I already know that is video is going to steer into AI plagiarism for the second half. Machine learned models, by their definition, are derivative and plagiarizing pre-existing art work. But it has also made stealing for the user so much easier. People like Filip and Blair will not have to yank paragraphs from published works, the middleman will do it.

David Bowie

2023-08-03 02:08:28 +0000 UTC

I had a heart attack when I saw Part Three, Legal Eagle cause I was immediately terrified that he was also doing a plagiarism. I agree with other comments about condensing Blair’s stuff, even by 10-20%.

Sage

2023-08-03 02:05:56 +0000 UTC

I do see what you are going for, Kristina, but I think H Bomb makes a valid point. All that other stuff Blair did is wrong and speaks volumes of her character. But it's not really directly related to the plagiarism stuff, and has been covered by others extensively on YouTube

KevlarNinja

2023-08-03 01:48:24 +0000 UTC

If there is one thing I would add on the illuminaughtii as an example of her laziness: her video on why she doesn't support Greenpeace uncritically cites noted grifter and weed killer drinker Patrick Moore. She's so lazy she couldn't even do the basic amount of googling that would show Moore regularly does videos for climate deniers.

KevlarNinja

2023-08-03 01:44:08 +0000 UTC

I really don't think you should cut the marked bits, they were good and added variety and entertainment to the video imo. On the other hand, the examples you play of ilumiwhatever-the-spelling-is really bogged down the pacing of the video, and made it so there were minutes of just looking at her videos and hearing her voice. And that was good with Tallarico bc he is a trainwreck of a man, but this is just watching her cheap crappy videos. I'd try to find a way to cut or condense the examples section by around 70% and make it closer to the philip part, or maybe moving some of it to AFTER you show her video defending herself from your tweet, since at that point the tweeted example is way less obvious than his other stuff and it could offer a sort of narrative crescendo of batshit plagiarised nonsense. Or maybe remove it and put it in a link in the description for whoever still needs more proof, or for her to not be able to debunk... But let's be honest she'll just leave out the parts she can't debunk anyway. But yeah, fun stuff when you are on screen and such, but really really slow examples from antivaxx and fyre festival.

David Rodríguez Madriñán

2023-08-03 01:42:50 +0000 UTC

Counterpoint - maybe more iilluminaughtii? I think it’s important to cover the stuff about her content mill. Specifically the parts where she was in the process of buying homes and cars for her employees to rent from her, making her own little company town. Blair charging Wonderstruckguy for the early dissolution of their imaginary car lease (for the depreciation of a car that he never owned) and “repossessing” his car while he was living in it and throwing away all of his belongings. It’s all so wild, but it’s a good demonstration that running a big corporate content machine with eyes only on profits miiiiiight make you do some unethical shit to keep that machine running.

Kristina

2023-08-03 01:13:38 +0000 UTC

It would be a shame to miss out on the bit where you point out how cartoonishly wrong Blair is all the time. Maybe it can just be punched up instead?

Collin Json

2023-08-03 01:09:04 +0000 UTC

I’ve been excited to watch at least part of this one since I found out what the topic was from Twitter. My only critique from a first viewing is that the side-by-side examples of iiluminuaghtii’s plagiarism go on far past when I think you made your point. I actually ended up fast forwarding through the last couple of those blocks because of how tedious it became. And given that you segue into talking about how you called her out for plagiarizing Brian Deer during the whole Legal Eagle thing right after, I feel it could be misconstrued as you gilding the lily out of personal spite. That section could be half, may even a third of its current length and still make its point, I think. I really liked the first section on Filip though, and felt it was well paced! Excited to see the rest of the video.

AsterianMonarch

2023-08-03 00:56:26 +0000 UTC

Well, it just gets worse and worse, doesn’t it? lol But this is exactly the chaser I think is needed after the CWHM video, especially since she poses the question “how” Blair generates so much content in such little time. That’s been sitting with me ever since, and now I know! I think my soul left my body when you reveal she reads Wikipedia to her audience. Had I known I could have pulled up the article and read along. Or just read the article, and saved potentially hours of my life forgone listening to the most worthless audible ever. I love everything about this! Making the distinction between a mistake versus deception, and demonstrating what deception looks like, whether it’s use of distancing language/rationale, bisexual lighting to get around copyright strikes (that’s going to stick with me), selling your own branded plushie, or lying by omission by secretly performing as an anthropomorphized text-to-speech is useful (this last one I think really drives your point home). Also demonstrating that bad actors blur the lines between the two, which is unethical and gross as all hell, but also stifles the quality and ingenuity of content overall. I think the theft of Brillo to be later produced as “Future Cop” says it all. I mean it took me a bit for the fuzz reference to click, but when it did I felt robbed too. I guess there’s something to be said about the incentives baked into the algorithm developed by a for-profit corporation that align neatly with such unscrupulous practices. Google has long since rebranded from their “don’t be evil” era (not like they were ever sincere, but they’re also not even trying anymore) so uhh…we live in hell? But I think this will be empowering in terms of spotting and articulating the problem, which is a much needed step in the right direction. Thank you for taking the time to make this - it's really great. 🪲

peachycliodhna

2023-08-03 00:39:29 +0000 UTC

Omg Lindsay’s books in the bin @2:30

Kristina

2023-08-03 00:38:31 +0000 UTC

I love love love this topic and if you haven’t already- checkout dormant YouTuber Sideways’ Patreon- he recently(ish) put out a public statement on his Patreon saying that he’s not gone back to YouTube because the plagiarism stuff really gets to him, and specifically that his own fans have told him repeatedly that he’s making a big deal, it’s not really an issue, and that he shouldn’t let it bother him and like MAN FUCK THAT. He’s so talented, (and so are you!) and if we get less art in this world because people are frustrated with getting ripped off by these content machines then we all lose.

Kristina

2023-08-03 00:27:19 +0000 UTC

I loved the iilluminaughtii stuff, but I’m terminally online and fully caught up on what a garbage person she is. I do think you should better emphasize that you were already working on this video when the Legal Eagle stuff went down, and maybe also state the definition of plagiarism stuff a little more plainly, and earlier. Like THESIS STATEMENT “in this essay I will” but obviously not that. 😄

Kristina

2023-08-03 00:22:13 +0000 UTC

I feel what you’re saying, but I also noticed that the more gleeful dunking is in parts that are going to be cut, so maybe just a cathartic release

Kristina

2023-08-03 00:16:33 +0000 UTC

A lot of Illuminaughty stuff can be cut for sure. But please don’t cut the Ben Shapiro short statued joke no matter what it takes. Please and thank you.

Brian Carter

2023-08-03 00:00:14 +0000 UTC

Lova ya buddy, but there's definitely a time to stop punching. When you've reached puree texture, you're past that.

Professional Void Screamer

2023-08-02 23:38:41 +0000 UTC

I don't think the references to the conflict should be cut, it gets enough attention to not feel like a glaring omission to any viewer who might be familiar with her but he doesn't make it a focus on any of his main points.

Gaiash

2023-08-02 23:36:30 +0000 UTC

Perhaps this is just my take, but it feels a very angry video. I'm not saying that's wrong inherently (plagiarism is shitty) and I understand how having experienced it yourself likely adds to the rightful disdain these plagiarists are owed. What I might propose is either looking to reduce that anger to position the video as a more "objective" discussion of plagiarism in online spaces (as other commenters have mentioned, by trimming certain framing details in the Miucin and Illuminaughi segments, by shortening the Illuminaughi segment to remove the drama YouTube-adjacency of parts) OR leaning more into the anger. Perhaps making clear up front this piece will be even more personal in the opinions from you would free you up to explore those frustrations a little more? If you wanted to, of course.

Gareth Clarke

2023-08-02 23:28:13 +0000 UTC

Maybe this is a hot take, and I'm not defending her, but I think you spend way too much time talking about Iilluminaughtii. Seriously, more than half of the video is about her, and it doesn't seem to be that substantive, mostly just being side by side clips of Iilliminaughtii stealing other peoples content. The joke you made near the end of the video about not needing to write anything would probably have been funnier if there hadn't already been a bunch of similar scenes of the side by side clips played prior to this. I don't think you are wrong to have talked about Iillimunaughtii. I knew she was a piece of shit already, but I had no idea that she was a plagarist who has basically never created anything original ever. While you made good points throughout the section on Iilluminaughtii, it feels like you spent like, ten minutes too long on each section, repeating the same things. I feel like you could cut at least 20 minutes from this video and it would probably be better as a result.

Quitpayload

2023-08-02 23:19:22 +0000 UTC

Just to add my voice for some reinforcement to other comments here! I think the Illuminaughti section is a bit too targeted and mean-spirited, and considering you touch on the drama YouTube angle here, I don't think it would play well, you don't need to stoop to that level. I think the strongest example in here is the Fyre Festival documentary, and probably the vaccine stuff too because that explains your link to it (albeit currently with a lot of repetition). But I would cut a lot of the rest, and tone down the more personal attacks in favour of the 'content mill' explanation and her history with that kind of media – that links drama YouTube too, content for content's sake, lazy and derivative. I would also remove the references to interpersonal drama between her and others – you aren't a drama youtuber and don't need to draw attention to it! I'm super curious to see where the rest of the video leads! I haven't been a patron very long so it's interesting to see this part of the process and how everything comes together :)

Charlotte Fabb

2023-08-02 22:57:47 +0000 UTC

Hi Harry, here some feedback (if still needed). I actually enjoyed the whole Filip section quite a lot and don't think it has to be shortened at all. The Illuminaugthy sections on the other hand would definitely profit from some cuts. (Loved that pun though. Do _not_ cut any puns! The whole puntheon will be furious!) The main problem, I think, is that on the line between demonstrating and proving you're to far on the proving side (which creates the dragging effect). So cutting on the amount of examples would be a good call. The examples where the editing is creative and both videos speak partly in unison are great. It brings the point across even better than the sheer amount of examples. So perhaps you can use it a bit more, while cutting the amount? (Loved the Silent Hill bit, but agree that it has to go.) And i think some spitefulness is quite appropriate, considering the scale of this shit and that Blair tried to make plagiarism accusations herself... I watched her content for a while and wondered, how she can put out so many videos. She has probably a gigantic team of writers and is only the front-woman of the channel, I thought..... Turns out, she really does have a gigantic team of writers. They just aren't paid.

A. Rhizome

2023-08-02 22:30:50 +0000 UTC

I can see why you'd cut the strong disdain of Blair from multiple fandoms from the video. But the mention of 3 different lifelong fandom loves of mine back to back was a blindsidingly hilarious experience. Excellent set up! Never thought I'd hear a vocaloid mention in one of your videos.

MalkavianMinx

2023-08-02 22:24:09 +0000 UTC

Oof, this is a bit of a tough cookie tbh :/ I don't want to be mean, but tbh I think like 80% of this could be cut. You throw around so many examples and I respect the due diligence and plagiarism should be called out, but this sheer listing of misdeeds the creators you talk about have committed in their videos is almost tedious to get through at some point. If you dont want to fully scrap it I'd almost say to make a quantitative analysis of the text read in one of their videos and compare how much of it is not their own in numbers, but really, three examples would be enough to prove your point, and this feels like you're listing dozens. Maybe for bonus material this could be good but not for the actual video. I know others have criticized this for the illuminaughtii section, but i also feel like the one about filip could be cut down massively without losing much of the point you're trying to make. Other people have already commented it, but especially the part with illuminaughtii gets weirdly... insulting? I am not a fan of her either and I don't want to defend any of her actions, but the resorting to name calling and calling her content shit multiple times is just overdoing it. She deserves to be made fun of for her shameless rip offs but this feels like crossing a line. I think there is merit in the video especially since the different creators you're looking at have different facets to their plagiarism, and this is something that could be honed in on, but that interesting part gets lost in the swathe of here's yet another ten clips of them committing obvious plagiarism. Funnily enough I'd actually keep one of the segments you want to cut at about the 1 hour mark (1:00:54 to 1:02:50) because I think dwelving into how these content farms and the constant copy paste muddles information can be very interesting, maybe also under the point of how opinions can be turned into facts though i don't know whether that's the case in her videos. ((obviously the video isnt complete but just as a suggestion for future content)) Also while youtube is a mostly lawless land it would be nice to have some real life guidelines to how citations are handled in other fields (i might be biased as a STEM scientist here who had to suffer through too many citation rules for her works). E.g. the guideline of not more than 10% of your work should be quotes, and how sources are supposed to be formatted. Doesn't have to be a whole segment but if you are already ripping into illuminaughtii's horrible source pastebin (rightfully so) it would be nice to do a quick comparison of how it should be done. Also I'm a bit curious, do you plan on talking about AI in regards to plagiarism? Cause to me that seems like the biggest and newest current problem, but it's also massive as a scope and could probably be its own video. Man I'm sorry for being such a negative nancy here, I really respect the amount of effort that has gone into this, but I feel that it's just way too bloated. Best of luck with your work, and I look forward to the next update in any case!

Clara R

2023-08-02 22:09:41 +0000 UTC

Me as I'm watching this: Oh man, can I assign this to my students for class? I'd love to have something more lively and interesting to assign than the usual dry and/or patronizing explainers about why you shouldn't plagiarize! ...no, it gets too overtly political to make good general pedagogical material... ...it's got some really good points, though. Maybe I could make a summary version of my own that features that stuff presented in a less politically inflected way? ...would that be legitimately transformative? ...I could title it "I ripped off Hbomberguy's video on plagiarism!"

BestStressed

2023-08-02 21:44:10 +0000 UTC

Blaire's grandkids are gonna be so embarassed once this video goes public

Melody Williamson

2023-08-02 21:36:38 +0000 UTC

There's a lot of comments so I don't know if someone else has said it but I think the Shapiro short-statue bit should stay in

Captain Chaos

2023-08-02 21:35:25 +0000 UTC

I appreciate the director's cut and understand the rationale for potentially excluding the flagged bits. I like the Silent Hill bit and the more significant point it makes about a copy of a copy of a copy repeating things enough to become misinformation outright. In other words, I vote not to cut the circumcision part. ❤️

Luke Smith-Adams

2023-08-02 21:30:15 +0000 UTC

THANK YOU!

DCS

2023-08-02 20:41:03 +0000 UTC

6:54: "roguelite" (on screen) should be "roguelike" instead 7:20: "extended" (on screen in orange) should be "the extended" 17:17: On screen maybe you should strikethrough "that come all bunched together" since he omitted it? 52:50: On screen missing attribution on clip from Brian Deer's documentary That's what I noticed while watching. Good luck!

Mathias Rav

2023-08-02 19:56:27 +0000 UTC

I really liked the human centipede annals of history pun, definitely keep that.

Jay

2023-08-02 19:49:56 +0000 UTC

I love how I will balk at the idea of watching a 2 hour movie, but I'll revisit an Hbomberguy video several times with no hesitation. Granted, sometimes it is background while I work on other things, but I'll revisit them an obscene amount of times until I can damn near quote it verbatim. I think I saw someone else with a similar comment, so I am confident that I am not alone in this.

Glenn Case

2023-08-02 19:13:50 +0000 UTC

Hi Harry, Its Harry Hope you've been well I've been enjoying the video so far but I would like to inform you that we own the same Argos bookshelf While its a great shelf and I understand you are a man of good taste this combined with the naming incident means I cannot stand idle while clearly being copied This rampant plagiarism must come to an end, see you in court Harry

Harry Is Cool

2023-08-02 18:46:48 +0000 UTC

I get why the Silent Hill anecdote is cut, but gods a reference to the circumcision story always makes me smile!

Garga Lenoir

2023-08-02 18:39:05 +0000 UTC

I don’t want to be mean, but this video feels like you just wanted to dunk on Illuminaughty & just tacked on two other plagiarism examples on top. It moves the video away from being about plagiarism in general, to just being about how bad this one plagiarist is. That, & it becomes very obvious that this controversy was the main reason you made the video. Like, in a spiteful kind of way I’m glad you knew to cut some of the Illuminaughty stuff out, but the video severely needs more of it gone. It should be around the same length of, or slightly longer than the segment about Philip

Michael Snodgrass

2023-08-02 18:28:08 +0000 UTC

As a writer I'm terrified of accidentally plagiarizing. Terrified. I caught an accidental paraphrase recently and it put me on edge about the whole manuscript. Then I see people like Blair doing this so shamelessly and even defending their actions after being called out and I'm like... oh no I'm doing fine lol

sarah

2023-08-02 18:16:30 +0000 UTC

He said this is (hopefully) only the first half of the video, its a WIP!

David H

2023-08-02 18:12:41 +0000 UTC

The Iilluminaughtii method of content creation where you just read one book and recite it is such a problem for creators of longform non-fiction, especially historians, because people will just snatch the information from a book, inject some entertaining banter or visuals, and not cite or highlight the original research. On one hand I'm thrilled as a historian to see stuff get popularized, on the other hand it's kind of nerve-wracking to think that anything you produce that goes popular could get ripped off like this. I've seen a lot of more established people in this field talking about this happening to them on Twitter. At the same time I don't want to just put podcasters on blast because I've never had to deal with the constant grind of having to have content every week or multiple times a week, and getting deprioritized in the algorithm if you don't. The incentives here are rank since pro historians who teach in unis are the best resourced for research or spend years on topics, but they're also disincentivized to spend time on public outreach and often don't have the charisma factor or marketing savvy, while content creators know the marketing end and have followings but are financially incentivized only to have regular uploads and keep as many eyeballs as possible for as long as possible. Being able to sustain yourself on a dedicated audience while not uploading that often seems to be an exceptional status for content creators. (And as a minor video critique, I feel the details about Blair's vaxx videos could be condensed a lot - we understand that she was repeating Deer and it feels a bit belaboured, although I can just feel the indignation in your voice in that part. Blair's particular case is extra galling to me too because hey, she has a whole team of video editors and co-writers, why isn't the detail or citational honesty there? She's more resourced than most video essayists. I think that she wrote her scripts or recorded her voiceovers then failed to communicate to her video editors as to what parts are quotes or not, so when they added the visuals they just assumed it was all her words. Same dishonesty, just she's would also be lying to her own team implicitly, but I still noticed a lot of the phrasing in the Blair section of your video made it sound like she was personally making decisions about what would be shown as she speaks, which doesn't seem to be the case based on accounts of her labour practices as an employer to several video editors.)

Heather McIntyre

2023-08-02 18:10:30 +0000 UTC

No need to be sorry! If you heard me pronounce "Lancaster" you would hate me too

PerfectlyAdequate

2023-08-02 18:08:51 +0000 UTC

Wow, sorry! I got the pronunciation from an American who was a big fan of silent hill and just ran with it.

Hbomb

2023-08-02 18:05:55 +0000 UTC

If I recall, it was deleted very quickly. I still have a copy however.

Hbomb

2023-08-02 18:04:39 +0000 UTC

Cen-trail-ia or more like Cen-trail-ya. That’s how I’ve always heard it anyway. I’m not from the area but I am from PA so I’m pretty sure that’s the correct way

PerfectlyAdequate

2023-08-02 18:01:16 +0000 UTC

Thank you for the preview! Having never heard of them before, I think there are too many examples of the beat for beat plagiarism for illuminaughtii - the Wakefield and Fyre Festival bits for sure felt too long. I liked the Silent Hill. It feels good to demonstrate its not a one off behaviour but too many examples from the same videos for me which starts to feel a bit like you're labouring the point.

Becklespinax

2023-08-02 17:55:57 +0000 UTC

How do you correctly pronounce it?

Hannah Lyons

2023-08-02 17:52:03 +0000 UTC

Like multiple people have said, the part about Blaire is really long and starts to drag. The part about the filters on the fyre video and avoiding content id was good, but maybe can be made while shortening that whole part?Also as someone else said you saying "i won't comment" and then commenting on it anyways is weird. Also the stuff that happened there is really horrible and tbh ever since i figured out you were making a video that was talking about her as well i was afraid this would come up. A lot of people shared very personal information that they should not have had to share, and having this half sentence about the suicide note there is kinda weird and not fitting when that is not the point of the video. Also i feel liek it draws more attention to it? like people might want to search for it because of that and i don't feel that's right.

SilverWolf

2023-08-02 17:51:51 +0000 UTC

I enjoyed every part that was labelled "to cut" and think this video is really really good so far, but I also get that murder your darlings is an important thing in the creative process so if you want to cut them then I guess it's important to cut them I used to watch Illuminaughty for about a month or two when I first found her videos and then eventually got tired of them, I don't think the length at which you talk about her stuff is an issue

Sandwich247

2023-08-02 17:36:12 +0000 UTC

Is that video response by lukiepoo on youtube? I can't find it

Melody Williamson

2023-08-02 17:34:17 +0000 UTC

Feel free to cut the bit about Centralia because I hate the way you (and blair) pronounce it lol

PerfectlyAdequate

2023-08-02 17:17:35 +0000 UTC

Hi! Love you and the videos! A couple of thoughts. First, like many people, I felt the section on Blair got pretty long and I started to feel uncomfortable with it. It honestly started to feel so directed it verged on bullying, since I didn’t know anything about the history between you. If you are really going to spend so much time on her and not mix in other creators, you might consider explaining the situation sooner. I am guessing you are probably setting up part 3 to be about drama YouTube so it works well for narrative flow the way it is, but because it is an hour of dragging one person — no matter how deserved — it really starts to feel like the horse is very, very dead. I already believe you, you don’t need to convince me. But it isn’t me you are trying to convince, is it? Second, the setup for the bit about the suicide note feels really un-classy. “I won’t comment on” followed directly by a comment on just undercuts any point you make with her behavior. I think this deserves plenty of time and attention. I will never complain about your videos being too long. I am suggesting that to someone coming in with no context, it feels uncharacteristically mean spirited for you to spend so long nitpicking the actions of a woman compared to the man just before her with a seemingly larger platform (if lower stakes).

Giraffery

2023-08-02 17:02:14 +0000 UTC

I assume that this is because it's unfinished but it could be something else

Sandwich247

2023-08-02 17:00:42 +0000 UTC

I would enjoy an entire mini-documentary on just Blair if you feel like editing these down into a bonus video or whatnot, since there does seem to be a lot to say about her in particular, but I'm adding once more to the voices that say the segment on her in this one extends a bit too far for a video trying to be about Youtube plagiarism at large. It does feel like it detracts from the main point.

Lottie Lynn

2023-08-02 16:49:11 +0000 UTC

"Needs a shot of testosterone and estrogen blockers" Lukiepoo, Harris has no hair because he has so much testosterone. Sorry, I've nothing more to add than that

Niall Carson

2023-08-02 16:18:37 +0000 UTC

I thought the video would talk more about other plagiarizers but the video spends most of its time on illuminati/blair. Which isn't a big deal but it kinda makes the section with Filip seems out of place given how much time illuminati occupies in the rest of the video. Maybe I missed it but it would be nice if it was mentioned that the rest of the video will be on iluminati? If you're looking to reduce the time I would keep all the stuff you wanted to cut and maybe focus the video on one plagiarizer at a time since there seems to be so much content on it. Great work on this though. I'm always excited when we finally get a new video

S. Wang

2023-08-02 16:04:57 +0000 UTC

This rules, please leave all the Silent Hill stuff in, that also rules

Ryan Aston

2023-08-02 15:53:48 +0000 UTC

You might mention that it seems from past mentions of her team, Blair may not even research or write or edit her own videos, which is how she cranks out so many and why there are no retakes. Apparently she has researchers and writers and editors and she herself literally just reads what someone else wrote, so inadequate supervision of the people whose work she directly uses (or willful blindness or teaching them to plagiarize) is part of the problem.

Laura C

2023-08-02 15:53:17 +0000 UTC

It’s absolutely wild to see just how bad Blair’s plagiarism is, especially after some of her past instances with smaller creators feeling like they were plagiarized by her - one instance including another hilariously bad example of source citing. The one thing I don’t like is how you talk about other videos about Blair. It isn’t just ‘Drama Youtubers’ talking about it. And those that do (at least that I’ve seen) don’t worry much about the plagiarism accusation because everything else that came out is just so horrific. Make fun of the fact your initial video is getting credited wrong by all means but it feels bad when most of the people she’d wronged are in the Redit and Drama YouTube communities. Still. Amazing work as always and this was a delight to watch!

SpiralShock

2023-08-02 15:43:29 +0000 UTC

LOVE this. so happy i was able to watch this morning. The part at around an hour in that you have to cut showing Illuminaughti saying her first silent hill video is 3 minutes when it was actually 13 and just putting *13 minutes on screen I think is important to leave in. It really hammers home the level of laziness these creators will leave in

Eric Shepperd

2023-08-02 14:55:44 +0000 UTC

i think i agree but it is also a good bit

Evan Dahm

2023-08-02 14:37:15 +0000 UTC

My thoughts exactly

That One Irish Furry

2023-08-02 14:31:22 +0000 UTC

Looking at the comments im glad i wasn't alone in wanting to point out that you went a little to far on proving Blair just straight rips from documentarys was the first time i ever fast forwarded through a part of one of your videos in my opinion you don't even really need to fill that void with anything this may be a good chance to actually make your video shorter XD By all means you can keep some of it in so the "hit play rachel" joke can still work but i felt like i had fallen into another video specifically about Illuminaughti close to the end hope this helps!

That One Irish Furry

2023-08-02 14:30:32 +0000 UTC

Ack! No— jokes. This was jokes. Apologies!

Noelle Harrison

2023-08-02 13:45:23 +0000 UTC

Obviously I haven’t seen the rest of what the video will be, but the crux of what illuminaughti is doing is precisely what I think a comfortable majority of all Americans would do if compelled to do research regularly. Sargon, anti-vax, every terrible uninformed social media debate, Americans chronically voting against their own personal interests when swindled by propaganda, nutritional health fads, and so on. The inability and/or unwillingness to actually comprehend what plagiarism is, and care what it is, can only be understood in my mind as just a massive symptom of our species’ crisis or critical thinking deficits in the complex world we built. Avoiding plagiarism only ethically matters if you think the integrity of your work matters in and of itself. People like Blair only measure practical impact. Love your work as always, I agree with a few other posters that if you wanted to find places to trim, the quantity of Fyre doc and Brian Deer docs probably could be reduced.

Arlen McCann

2023-08-02 13:16:55 +0000 UTC

Maybe a few too many examples of Blair ripping off the Fyre documentaries, but far too many people were taken in by her "explanation" of why listing the Brian Deer doc in her sources makes her theft OK.

BinturongGirl

2023-08-02 13:02:53 +0000 UTC

At some point you are just showing the same five clips from the Fyre documentary in an endless loop. They are not even good clips to look at, with the horrible color grading and the shaky camera. I would much prefer looking at you talking.

nora_1312

2023-08-02 12:56:12 +0000 UTC

I guess he hasn't escaped from the pit then

Kat Lo

2023-08-02 12:28:01 +0000 UTC

hi, thank you for the preview! in the beginning of the video from 3:20 onwards, there is a section labelled "to be cut" that i personally would like to ask you to keep in. i think it's very important to stress that taking inspiration from something isn't necessarily plagiarism, and that it's in fact an important part of the process of making art. every artist, documentarian, etc takes inspiration from somewhere, and that is generally a good thing. i think it's good to start by making that clear, because it adds to the complexity of the issue. however, personally, i thought the parts where you quoted blair were way, WAY too long. i’m not familiar with her at all and i’m not on twitter any more, so when you explained the way she interacted with you i sorta understood what you were trying to do (build an airtight case against her) but without that context, it’s honestly just boring to watch. i skipped a lot of it because imo the point was sufficiently made after like, two or three examples. also, there’s a really funny mistake where you say she quoted reddit while showing a tumblr screenshot at 1:04:00 ;)

Will Barker

2023-08-02 12:27:33 +0000 UTC

I sent this to hbomb when we were working on the vid because it felt so relevant lol

Kat Lo

2023-08-02 12:25:41 +0000 UTC

What do you mean by this? Do you have any examples?

Kat Lo

2023-08-02 12:20:18 +0000 UTC

for a good maybe 20 minutes of run time I thought you might be being a bit harsh on the youtube sona illuminati girl but blinding hell fire, she's a good example.

Frog

2023-08-02 12:10:16 +0000 UTC

Regarding the "most recent plagiarism case I could find" at the beginning, I know Claude Robinson on top of my head, which happenned in Canada in 2010 and is pretty much the same story beat for beat (Robinson also won), but it involves far less recognizable faces and corporations. Writers do win sometimes.

Santo Guevarra

2023-08-02 12:07:29 +0000 UTC

1:09 to about 1:19 is a black screen for me, but the audio is still there

With Quiet Eyes

2023-08-02 12:05:24 +0000 UTC

I really enjoyed this video but I’m afraid every time I hear the word “plagarism” all I can think of is Herbert West with the shovel from Reanimator Keep up the great work, editing all this down must be tough!

Ben-K

2023-08-02 12:00:03 +0000 UTC

I think there’s too much of the illuminaughti theft examples, it starts to get redundant and unnecessary edit: ok I just watched the missing ten minutes and it’s mostly just more redundant examples of theft when I already got the point a while ago

Evan Kranzler

2023-08-02 11:53:56 +0000 UTC

I would watch quadruple this amount. Thanks for making the Snyder cut real

RebeccaC

2023-08-02 11:47:38 +0000 UTC

the amount of examples from blair/illumainaughti got a bit overindulgent in my opinion, i think i would cut some of the stuff between discussing brian deers documentary and the experiment with fyre festival, perhaps discuss each example in shorter form instead of cutting examples outright. Another idea for this could be to have the cut out parts in the sources document of this video or as a link in the description to really add layers of irony Also the "ill just borrow clips joke is funny" AF

Loke Ho

2023-08-02 11:36:05 +0000 UTC

ayo, since you mention correctly crediting people in the end of this first half, would you mind crediting the music youre using in your videos? If i remember correctly you didnt use any music yourself in this video so far (aside from the clips the clips youre discussing), but please do include credits in a manner you see fit when you are done with your excellent work. Also, as a reminder, I only see 2 songs credited in your OOF video even tho in the description there was a mention to add more as soon as you "escape from the pit".

biskuit cookiepants

2023-08-02 11:30:30 +0000 UTC

currently working on finishing my masters thesis and im just in awe with how much plagarism and lack of research people can get away with. Really enjoyed the video and looking forward to the finished video!

Dux Fortis

2023-08-02 11:30:22 +0000 UTC

When this goes out, I suspect there'll be thousands of YouTubers watching, all trembling in their boots as the video progresses, hoping they're not coming up next. :D

Tantacrul

2023-08-02 11:21:53 +0000 UTC

at first i didn't like the desaturated wallpaper background but once i saw the colour-blocked version behind the documentary footage i changed my mind, what a nice piece of stylisation!

LucasProbably

2023-08-02 10:56:41 +0000 UTC

It's like it was made by a completely different team, that mirrors some of Photoshop's way of working, but just slightly differently to trip people's brain. Like a staircase with uneven steps.

Xelias

2023-08-02 10:53:49 +0000 UTC

Adobe Photoshop is a joy to use. Same for After Effects (it would be perfect if it could easily export stuff) I do not understand why premiere is such a pain in the ass to use.

Xelias

2023-08-02 10:52:59 +0000 UTC

I understand the want to make your videos more accessible as well as streamline the idea to make it more bold and straightforward... so I'm not going to tell you to keep everything. But I am deeply glad that us patrons get to see fulls cuts bc I just want more video to watch.

jeff schlueter

2023-08-02 10:35:22 +0000 UTC

"failed this test with flying colours" lol

Tantacrul

2023-08-02 10:33:20 +0000 UTC

this is a great video! as regards my terrible opinion i think the first two cuts actually give context on filip. the cut you have suggested in the illuminati piece is interesting - personally the part talking about her autism and fyre fest videos could be shortened and has too many bits of text flying around (i am autistic this could just be a me problem) whereas the other examples give more a more rounded view of what exactly she does.

DedicatedSideA

2023-08-02 10:28:59 +0000 UTC

Really enjoyed this! Made me think of [Citogenesis](https://xkcd.com/978/)

Manuel Costa Reis

2023-08-02 10:12:10 +0000 UTC

When I was watching it I totally agreed with Will E, but now that I go back and listen to and try to find content that I would maybe cut to make it feel less like “stop stop she’s already dead” I couldn't really find anything obvious that felt "extra". I did realise why I felt the way I did, though and that was the examples of her talking and then the documentary talking. There felt like there was quite a few of those, especially since it was just established in the vaxx section that she does that already. On a totally different note, I did appreciate the part about all writers feeling anxious about their writing. That pretty much sums up about how I feel about writing my thesis. And why it's taking so long, and probably driving my supervisor nuts.

Kingepyon

2023-08-02 10:07:21 +0000 UTC

For the love of everything rainbow, don't cut the pride joke. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

OrangeFlavouredPineapple

2023-08-02 09:58:15 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much, made my day! The Shapiro joke IS hilarious, but I think you are right to cut it, punching down is never cool ツ

Kristopher Faeley

2023-08-02 09:23:42 +0000 UTC

one of illuminaughties worst videos is about the CIA supported cult "Falun Gong" where her main source is obviously from the cult itself. She keeps referring to people as "Falun Gong practitioner" which is the specific phrase that only the cult uses about itself. no wonder shes a redditor

ALL GOOD ALL GOOD

2023-08-02 09:23:20 +0000 UTC

lmaooo hi hbomb 🥺👉👈

LucasProbably

2023-08-02 09:22:00 +0000 UTC

I worked VERY HARD not to make that joke PLEASE

Hbomb

2023-08-02 09:21:13 +0000 UTC

This is useful feedback, thanks a lot. I've been thinking a lot about whether to shorten it or make that section a separate video entirely. One question though, would it have been a more effective part of the story if you could have seen the visuals as well? That version's visuals were broken for some reason.

Hbomb

2023-08-02 09:13:54 +0000 UTC

I love Taran, I've been a fan of his for years. One thing I already cut for time (but might put back in later anyway lol) is a reference to this thread and his work

Hbomb

2023-08-02 09:11:46 +0000 UTC

I'm so sorry about this! I went to bed once the video was posted and the test video I uploaded the day before was fine. I just noticed now watching it through. No idea why Premiere did this. Those ten minutes are going up now on their own and I'll try to cobble together a working version when I know what's wrong

Hbomb

2023-08-02 09:10:02 +0000 UTC

bova deez nutz

LucasProbably

2023-08-02 09:02:28 +0000 UTC

Thanks for pointing this out! I was just watching the Patron version through this morning and it turns out, for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, ten minutes of the video is just black now??? Thanks Adobe! Uploading those missing ten minutes right now and will hopefully figure out what the heck happened and get a proper fixed version up soon

Hbomb

2023-08-02 08:58:10 +0000 UTC

Don't you dare cut that ben shapiro joke

One time I was out in the parking lot tryin to remove my excess earwax with a golf pencil when I see this guy Marty

2023-08-02 08:41:17 +0000 UTC

ah, video is back from around 1:20:22

Sarah Peper 🏳️‍⚧️

2023-08-02 08:15:40 +0000 UTC

is it just me or is the video audio-only from 1:09:20? (is my youtube broken?)

Sarah Peper 🏳️‍⚧️

2023-08-02 08:14:22 +0000 UTC

Which is the point, I know, I know

Sarah Peper 🏳️‍⚧️

2023-08-02 07:38:40 +0000 UTC

I feel like watching a video on plagiarism and it's getting repetitive

Sarah Peper 🏳️‍⚧️

2023-08-02 07:38:24 +0000 UTC

"happy pride month everyone!" looks at calendar checks out

Vee

2023-08-02 07:27:33 +0000 UTC

I can’t believe I was duped by illuminaughtii for so long. I stopped watching her a while ago, but I didn’t really understand how bad it was until recently.

Victoria grew insolent in her chromatic perversion

2023-08-02 07:24:55 +0000 UTC

A lovely example of how synonym switching to mask plagiarism can drastically change the meaning of a sentence: ‘a group of solicitors’ and ‘a firm of solicitors’ mean very different things.

Horse Macho

2023-08-02 06:55:23 +0000 UTC

This was cathartic to watch

sarah

2023-08-02 06:52:44 +0000 UTC

Don’t change a thing; every month is Pride Month

Jackson Bockus

2023-08-02 06:41:33 +0000 UTC

i have nothing important to say re: the video that everyone else hasn't talked about! i am just here to zoom in on the words "in defence of invisible war video" pwease. that game was my brother & i's childhood and i wanna listen to you talk about it SO BAD

Isa

2023-08-02 06:32:00 +0000 UTC

I’m currently traveling in the UK. I should pop over and check your spelling. 🤪

Lynn Short

2023-08-02 06:22:45 +0000 UTC

Out of curiosity, which of his videos are guilty of this?

Wezla

2023-08-02 06:20:16 +0000 UTC

I just subscribed to this patreon last month but i love to rewatch these videos so much I don't mind getting it in parts. I can't wait to rewatch it on release :)

E. Filleul

2023-08-02 06:12:33 +0000 UTC

The Ben Shapiro lead-in is the best thing you've written since the MIDI Godzilla joke

The Beating of a Horse's Hooves

2023-08-02 05:54:10 +0000 UTC

IMO basically all the parts marked to be cut out should probably not be (they still flow real well and give some much needed levity), but I'm also with everyone else here that thinks that part II really does drag up to the Fyre Festival part - I mean even skipping the parts when the video blacks out still kinda works. Plus the video kinda just turns into one about Blair by the end, but if the subsequent parts are even wilder rabbit holes than the ones you've already showed here that might not be that big a deal

theparocine

2023-08-02 05:49:05 +0000 UTC

😘🤏💕 3:25 is an important point that gains steam at the end but the initial "what should you be able to do about it" framing, speaking to creators who have presumably had their work stolen instead of immediately framing it around the real problem (bad faith actors exploiting the system) probably makes it weak enough to cut 20:30- tragic casualty BUT 21:30-23:00 is really solid and I would be sad to see it go 1:20:00 oh dang I remember this one. i ended up writing a whole vague scrawl about it https://twitter.com/giovan_h/status/1649231890820243458

GiovanH

2023-08-02 05:34:58 +0000 UTC

so, at first i felt like it was an excessive amount of clips for illumanaughti’s plagiarism. I felt like you had sufficiently proven your point, but when i got to the part where you were dragged into the scandal i was like “OH!” you’re foolproofing this argument which is good. thats my genuine reaction as someone who didn’t know about the illuminaughti drama. idk thats just my initial thoughts about pacing. other than that everything else flowed. I’m going to force myself to not endlessly rewatch this, so when the video full video comes out it will still feel fresh! yay!

Creamer

2023-08-02 05:33:03 +0000 UTC

Please expose Dan Olson. He doesn't deserve it but... what a thing that would be.

Noelle Harrison

2023-08-02 05:32:40 +0000 UTC

Longest 10m of my life, I was so sad watching it in the dark. :(

Callan Christensen

2023-08-02 05:15:05 +0000 UTC

Lovely video, but I agree! Made the video feel a little unnecessarily bloated. Maybe a fair chunk of the A/B examples could be used as an addendum video linked in the description of the main upload instead, if it's important to include as justification for any perceived "attack". As it is, I feel like it's the same point being made in the same way too repetitively to hold attention and too long to be considered a consumable "chapter" to revisit on a later viewing date.

Multifish

2023-08-02 04:59:47 +0000 UTC

Not sure if you noticed - but Illuminatii copies Brian Deer's documentary so closely that she uses the present tense to describe Fudenberg and his treatment of autistic children. Fudenberg died in 2014. She couldn't even be bothered to update the tense when copying a 15 year old documentary.

urbestfriend9000

2023-08-02 04:59:42 +0000 UTC

hbomb a drama channel? jk love the video, good luck to pyramid woman

thequeerquartz

2023-08-02 04:51:28 +0000 UTC

i think the plagiarism system point at the very beginning is interesting but is also feel like i was waiting for the punchline to be the current copyright system if that makes sense. also about 10 ish minutes of the video is just a black screen for me. and generally i kinda get “stop stop she’s already dead” from a lot of this section. i think this is either a plagiarism video or an extensive illuminaughti (sp?) take down video and i personally would rather see the plagiarism video if that makes sense. i think the part about her fake apology video is helpful but im not sure the fyre fesival part needed so much screen-time. i feel like the point was made.

Will E.

2023-08-02 04:49:08 +0000 UTC

“…these pretentious little commies…” I replayed this line a few times 🤣 (47:13)

Callan Christensen

2023-08-02 04:47:50 +0000 UTC

While the video on the whole makes some very good points, I have to agree that having an hour of the video focused on Iilluminaughtii feels extremely long, and trimming it would probably be for the best. (Absolutely do not get rid of the Ben Shapiro joke though)

SonicKurosaki

2023-08-02 04:44:12 +0000 UTC

The silent hill / sea world / etc section is more clearly a tangent that could maybe be pared down but it is a lot of fun, especially the setup into the Ben Shapiro joke

Christopher Cantwell

2023-08-02 04:43:31 +0000 UTC

Some of the flagged “to cut” sections do include “zoomed out” points that I still think are valuable to make (talking about the dangers of an over-aggressive plagiarism system at the beginning or the broader role of content mill bullshit in perpetuating lies across the internet around the 1:02:00 mark) If some of this is set-up for the point being hammered home in a later concluding section I could see trimming them down, but think it would be a shame to lose them entirely

Christopher Cantwell

2023-08-02 04:40:37 +0000 UTC

In case you arent already aware, the legal eagle editor in question is Taran Van Hemert who goes into great detail about the highlighter elements lol https://twitter.com/TaranVH/status/1673410438850314242?s=20 Side note, he’s awesome and makes really excellent youtube videos and I think you’d love him

Beth

2023-08-02 04:40:01 +0000 UTC

That stack of books at 2:30....if we're going to get a discussion of the youtuber I think we're going to get a discussion of, then I absolutely can't wait.

August

2023-08-02 04:03:06 +0000 UTC

I think Madison’s story (and video) show great examples of Blair, like Filip & Luckie Poo, blatantly stealing from smaller channels and not giving a shit about consequences because she thought they were too small to hurt her. After Madison PM’d Blair about her concerns, Blair went on a podcast and blasted her, claiming Madison did bad research and just only used Wikipedia, Buzzfeed and TMZ. This is so goddamn funny now seeing how little research Blair does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x04ssLoNs2g

Lilebile

2023-08-02 04:02:37 +0000 UTC

Same exact thing happened for me! Also totally agree on your other point. The video seemed to drag on and on for the Illuminaughtii part. I think it could easily have 15%-20% of that part removed. The Fyre Festival section you mention was particularly numbing. Maybe it was because half that whole section had no video to it, but I started browsing Reddit out of boredom lol.

Alex Schlesinger

2023-08-02 04:00:50 +0000 UTC

Great video so far! I am seeing the same issues as the others with the black screen and think if you wanted to cut stuff that section does belabor the point a bit, but I think the emphasis is worth it personally. Although I would be careful ab the bit of Illuminaughti reading someone’s suicide note. That sort of feels like a ticking time bomb drama wise

Conor McQuiston

2023-08-02 03:53:02 +0000 UTC

happy pride, i think the directorscut version of videos for patreons is a great idea. I'd cut out the suicide note bit, it already feels like you have a personal problem with blaire and go harder on her than other people and with the inclusion of the suicide note it feels more like another tool to point out that she is a horrible person rather than you treating it with the care and respect it demands and deserves.

Kiki

2023-08-02 03:45:27 +0000 UTC

For me the black goes from 1:09 (during the fyre fest section) until 1:20 (start of pt3 and when Legal Eagle appears on screen). Seems consistent across devices to me.

Ken High

2023-08-02 03:45:27 +0000 UTC

Pretty nice video so far. I will say that a lot of the video is A/B evidence of direct copying. It's important to establish proof on which to base an accusation of plagiarism, and I think you have shown more than enough evidence. I do think some of these A/B comparisons could be cut for pacing purposes, but I understand that someone who is on Illuminaughti's 'side' might need to witness the overwhelming weight of evidence.

Steven Dalamaras

2023-08-02 03:44:50 +0000 UTC

Riveting stuff. Er, 1:10 to 1:20 has a black screen

Seth A. Robinson

2023-08-02 03:40:18 +0000 UTC

Looks at date. Indeed, happy pride! As for the rest of the video, I had no idea. That is egregious. I look forward to the rest of it!

Oltanya

2023-08-02 03:32:21 +0000 UTC

Can confirm the error -- video went black for me around 1h09min for about the same amount of time

Bee

2023-08-02 03:22:34 +0000 UTC

Really loving the video! Do agree with what some others are saying that it feels like there's more examples of illuminaughtii plagiarizing than may be necessary to make your point, though. I also just wanted to say, if you haven't seen/heard of it already, a YouTube channel named Cruel World Happy Mind that focuses mostly on scammers just released a video about illuminaughtii like 6 days ago that goes into a lot of the shady and down right shitty things she has done to people. A lot of it is covering other things besides the plagiarism, but towards the end Madison talks about a time when it looked like illuminaughtii had plagiarized one of her own videos and how she'd reached out to her about it and the fall out of that. It's kind of wild and the reaction of course falls in line with that of Filip and Luckie Poo so I thought you might at least find that interesting. I don't know if it would be super useful for what you're trying to do in this video but either way I thought I'd mention it just in case! It's called The Fall of iilluminaughtii: YouTube's BIGGEST BULLY... by Cruel World Happy Mind

Poorly Fleshed Skeleton

2023-08-02 03:08:36 +0000 UTC

the line at 26:26 is hard to understand

Grey

2023-08-02 03:05:23 +0000 UTC

Absolutely loved every minute of it. I love all the potential “to cut” scenes and understand if you decide to keep them out of the final version, but appreciated being able to see them here

Daniel Gonzalez

2023-08-02 03:04:51 +0000 UTC

Love the preview! I'll second/third what other people have said already here though, the section about illuminaughtii and many (oh, so many) examples felt like they were dragging on a little, but it does make for a very thorough takedown. Outside of that, I gotta say, the greenscreen of the old set got somehow even better than last time you used it, you can't tell at all that it's one without already knowing. (Unless you somehow recreated the set again but physically instead of digitally)

Marc-Olivier Goyette

2023-08-02 02:57:08 +0000 UTC

Anyone taking bets that the second half transitions into AI copyright/plagiarism?

anonymous

2023-08-02 02:51:35 +0000 UTC

Blair's transgressions is such a CVS receipt of a list that you can probably get away with just a lightning round of greatest hits to encompass the additional stories like with SeaWorld and Silent Hill and on and on. I do really like the instances where you play her voice directly over the original recordings of the clips she uses. Absolute gold. I think her Fyre Fest video was one of the last ones I watched when I used to follow her work. It was in that moment that it became clear to me that she was just regurgitating half-digested documentaries into a video essay format. 😅 Better late than never oop Looking forward to the finished video, great job thus far!

corycatte

2023-08-02 02:47:29 +0000 UTC

Glorious.

Clancy Bundy

2023-08-02 02:46:40 +0000 UTC

Really great so far, especially on something I wasn’t initially sold on. Feel like the bit at the start on the difficulties of YouTube implementing guards against plagiarism could be longer and more developed actually, and that it feels a bit odd to reference Illuminaughti not showing your video without showing at least some of it yourself? Super excited to see the final cut! Hoping language models and ChatGPT could come up because they seem to have brought this regurgitation of information issue completely into the mainstream with news articles and exam papers/essays etc.

Jan Goede

2023-08-02 02:46:30 +0000 UTC

Can you talk about Aronofsky and Perfect Blue please 🥺

Vaikus

2023-08-02 02:45:00 +0000 UTC

Def seconding this experience. Except I was one of said pesky psych students at the time, lol

Naomi Jichita

2023-08-02 02:43:13 +0000 UTC

Which is to say, I would love that all to come out because maybe people will get wise and fewer of these bullshit channels will get away worth it? Like, audience members coming to re-think the work of someone they used to respect. (Source: Hbomb. This video. ...😜) Maybe making this into two partner videos, with one mostly focused on Blair, would be a plan?

Naomi Jichita

2023-08-02 02:40:18 +0000 UTC

I did indeed think "fuck, when this comes out, the main takeaway is gonna be HBomb eviscerating this woman ['s agregious content mill bullshit]" and I'm DEFINITELY NOT against that but agreed that it's certainly a lot.

Naomi Jichita

2023-08-02 02:35:43 +0000 UTC

This is so good, I just hope the part where you plunge into the outer darkness remains in the final cut of the video

Kresimir

2023-08-02 02:28:20 +0000 UTC

i would definitely trim down the clips of illuminaughtii and the fyre festival. I feel you could make it half as long, and cut out the least egregious examples and the ones that are super short. Also, a good idea might be to play the two clips simultaneously at certain points to show just how word-for-word her plagiarism is

Alex Baradarvar

2023-08-02 02:27:45 +0000 UTC

I felt this too, the section on Illuminaughtii started feeling like a more personally invested takedown. I think the quickest fix would be to cut some of that section? It seemed unbalanced compared to the previous sections. Otherwise I still really appreciate the in depth look at how plagiarism is massaged into not looking like plagiarism.

Rebekah Hickman

2023-08-02 02:25:37 +0000 UTC

I had no idea about the Luke Stephens stuff so I was like, oh, I watched some of his reviews to get an idea of games but found him weirdly kind of empty. Then I got to the Sargon bit, all makes sense now. Imagine trying to defend yourself by saying "well that guy's wrong because he criticised Sargon", absolutely wild

Juji Gatame

2023-08-02 02:12:16 +0000 UTC

I cannot properly express to you how validating this comment is

Jace Jones

2023-08-02 02:09:20 +0000 UTC

The video goes black at about 1h 9’ and stays black for about 15~20 mins. Might be just a glitch on my side (if it is it persists on all my devices) but I thought I should point it out. I enjoyed it but I wonder if the length of part I muddies the point of the video. At some points it felt like it stopped being about plagiarism, esp. on youtube, and started being an extended takedown of Illuminaughtii specifically (might be partially due to the fact that the video is incomplete). I understand all the points are important but I felt a little fatigue during the subsection about the fyre festival video.

Mimosa

2023-08-02 02:07:08 +0000 UTC

23 minutes in and realised I can never hear an accusation that someone is an imposter without flashbacks

Kilda

2023-08-02 02:06:40 +0000 UTC

I'm begging you to leave in the "Happy Pride Month!" bit regardless of when the final video comes out without referencing it at all in the remainder of the video

Clar Fon

2023-08-02 02:03:59 +0000 UTC

Great video! I did feel like the Blair clips went on a bit too long, especially when it gets dark. I thought the parts you thought about cutting though were all great additions, though!

Jason Hoskin

2023-08-02 02:02:44 +0000 UTC

Ugh I remember when that video came out! I felt the same way.

Jason Hoskin

2023-08-02 02:00:32 +0000 UTC

it must be so annoying to be working on illuminaughtii part, I am sure you know how it drags, but it would be hard to cut things out, because everything is needed to prove consistency in her laziness and stealing. Great stuff tho!

Piotr Klimko

2023-08-02 01:59:54 +0000 UTC

when you can trigger a RWNJ into advocating for gender affirming care, you know you've hit a nerve 🤣🤣

Wobin

2023-08-02 01:59:21 +0000 UTC

1:10 forwards has about 10min black video

SkaveRat

2023-08-02 01:54:54 +0000 UTC

God I love this. If part 2 turns reveals that your reading from a documentary script I might die laughing .

Bryton Christensen

2023-08-02 01:52:28 +0000 UTC

A minor thought on the Illuminaughtii section, I used to watch her content a fair bit and I think you hit the nail on the head with the content mill descriptor. When I didn't know anything about the topic she covered I always thought the videos were fine. However, I watched a video she did on the LDS church (which I am an ex member of) and it just revealed to me how lazy the videos were. The vid was littered with small errors. For example, she couldn't even pronounce the names of important religious figures in mormon theology. She mispronounced moroni (more-o-nye) as (more-o-knee). unforced errors like this makes content inaccessible to current members of the church and makes it easy to write off legitimate criticism of the LDS Church as misinformed or unresearched. Thanks for the opportunity to air this specific gripe

Jace Jones

2023-08-02 01:51:34 +0000 UTC

Just as a heads up, looks like the video goes dark at around the 1 hour and 10 mark, and stays like that for a while! Watched until that point and I would keep all the To Cut parts, I think it flows well!

renard

2023-08-02 01:49:41 +0000 UTC

I'd like to be helpful but I genuinely can't tell if there are too many Blair clips or if I'm just tired of hearing her voice lmao About the red square, I'm not sure if someone on here is visually impaired, if you're aware of that you might also add some audio cues signaling where the "to cut" sections are 💖 I love the tangents being kept in as an extended version!!

Donna M

2023-08-02 01:40:05 +0000 UTC

"There's a difference between having imposter syndrome and BEING AN IMPOSTER" lmao

Cold Crash Pictures

2023-08-02 01:39:03 +0000 UTC

I'd love more Deus Ex videos. Put out that Invisible War section!

Brainfreeze

2023-08-02 01:31:21 +0000 UTC

"I might ruin some of your favorite Youtubers" Jokes on you, I don't have any. Ha!

James Rule

2023-08-02 01:24:10 +0000 UTC

As a Phillip, I'm in favor of keeping every second of taking down Filip.

Phillip Burns

2023-08-02 01:23:09 +0000 UTC

Love the idea of an extended edition. I've got a small suggestion about the "Happy Pride Month" joke. What if you put some kind of acknowledgement for how late this video is? Add some text that says "Now you know how late this video is", or something like that. Also, the editing so far has been stellar 👍 very fun to watch so far

Matthew Morris

2023-08-02 01:22:14 +0000 UTC

I hope to watch this later today. I like the idea of an extended edition that we can comment on.

facemask12

2023-08-02 01:22:07 +0000 UTC

I BROUGHT HOME WORK THAT I’M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING! YOU’RE DISTRACTING ME FROM MY LIVELIHOOD, YOU BASTARD! YOU BEAUTIFUL BASTARD!!!1!!

Cuzn Ed

2023-08-02 01:16:43 +0000 UTC

I, as a Beetle, appeciate the incousivity.

Tim-Tam Toe-Jam

2023-08-02 01:01:50 +0000 UTC

"The first half I hope" is both pleasing and scary

Aurora H.

2023-08-02 00:55:59 +0000 UTC

I seriously appreciate the red box indicator! This is exactly the type of thing I’m interested in as a patron — not just having access to a pre-release, but giving insight into the parts you value more (or less) without me needing to do a comparison analysis with the released video (which would be such an assignment for a 90 min part 1 lol)

Tyler Wolfe

2023-08-02 00:55:50 +0000 UTC

YUUSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Noclip

2023-08-02 00:43:22 +0000 UTC

I've rewatched most of your essay videos to the point of practically being able to recite them, I could suggest keeping the potentially cut content in the full patron version and cutting for the YouTube version. I don't think anyone paying for early access to your content minds the tangents

Wyatt Mowry

2023-08-02 00:36:07 +0000 UTC

I second this

Edoardo Ortiz

2023-08-02 00:29:53 +0000 UTC

Honestly, I've already rewatched your for several days worth of time, I'd keep it all in, mate xD

Xavier Dillon

2023-08-02 00:29:50 +0000 UTC

You can’t release a 90 minute video 30 minutes before a new Jon Bois documentary drops. It’s not fair…

PerfectlyAdequate

2023-08-02 00:28:34 +0000 UTC

I second Creamer!

Reese

2023-08-02 00:28:20 +0000 UTC

Clearly the title should be "Original Video: Do Not Steal"

AViking

2023-08-02 00:28:07 +0000 UTC

yes!!!

Creamer

2023-08-02 00:27:07 +0000 UTC

Here's the first 90 minutes of the Plagiarism Video!

Comments

Nooo why did you remove it :(

And now it is gone.

Nearly a whole year later and I still think about when I accidentally called the actual subject of this video. I hope you got a laugh out of me doing so, hbomb. Still an outstanding vid. Glad you had your finger on the pulse when I'd barely caught onto it.

even after the full version has been released and most of the illuminaughti stuff removed, I still come back to watch this version. something about it just hits different

I think "doing the same thing she is" was the point there. But that's not to say intention negates your criticism. I do agree, doing the same thing she did but as part of a bit didn't work and is more annoying than funny, or at least it would work better if you cut it down by like at least half.

I'm assuming this one is on its way soon, very excite (I've already watched this one twice)

Unfortunately I think iiluminaughtii is moving faster than hbomb can ever edit for

lots of folk are talking about cutting down on iiluminaughtii's copying of Brian Deer, and while i agree, the examples are just too shocking and funny. maybe upload the rest to twitter, or here, as a patreon extra? :)

Or speed it up very gradually, so you almost don't notice.

IMO it's just doing what Illuminaugthy does

When you mentioned the fanart of iilluminaughtii bro-fisting the friend she had recently issued a C&D to, I felt compelled to mention that it's actually gotten way worse since then, and she's gone as far as FORECLOSING ON HIS HOUSE.

Just wanted to echo that I feel like seeing iiluminaughtii say the same thing as Brian Deer for ten minutes did go on far far far too long - I think it could work better after the first couple of quotes as a very quick montage, or even a separate bonus video for pacing reasons

i miss myst this just feels bad man

Obvious question: have you guys considered saying fuck it and making two- to three-part videos again

ah man Hbomb's videos are so great and make me so happy

Just know, iilluminaughtii is litigious; she is working on taking away the home of that guy in that one fan art with her.

How DARE you slander chicken nuggets! You monster!

What are the plugins Filip uses?

I don't think it's just you, I would say that section dragged a bit. Especially because it doesn't seem like we've gotten to the crux of the issue yet. The transition out of illuminati feels like it's building but without context it's hard to say.

Oh and also— are you going to discuss how AI impacts this process and entire channels are just AI copies of YouTubers doing review content? This seems to be coming up recently. It’s reminiscent of the Filip segment but with more AI.

Lol, please don't remove the "happy pride month." Open every video that way please.

no cuts the content is perfect

Lost about what?

I think you might be lost.

47:17 I hate how you use term "commie" for creators who properly quote their sources. What communist do best is steal credit for work they didn't do for shit

I don’t think he sued them but he definitely pointed it out and got a lot of people saying it’s all in his head. He’s got public posts on his Patreon about what he’s been up to. Not recently though. Hope he returns one day.

Is Sideways in a legal battle with Vox? Poor guy, he does really great musical analysis. I just heard he'd stepped away from YouTube for personal reasons.

Yeah there was like a three day period where I binged a lot of her content but then I just hit a wall where I was like "wait this is all so similar and seems so dull compared to other creators on this website" and then unsubbed. Guess that was a good instinct haha

illuminaughtii part is definitely long but the subject is good

To her, Emeveryone from Brian Deer to Oz are just pawns to use and abuse.

That was my first thought too when I heard of this video. He’s definitely worth including not only for the audience response (especially as a contrast to Blair) and for the severity of the plagiarism. Vox literally won an Emmy.

Holy shit after the latest update by Oz Media I wish you'd fucking demolished illuminaughty even more than you already have. What a fucking scumbag.

I agree with this! Also, I started to find her videos incredibly grating to listen to (that weird fake and fast content mill lilt).

i'm getting an error has occursed messaged is that just me?

I saw a tweet earlier this week in which you said you had made a discovery on a currently being produced video... is it at all related to this topic or... the next one ?

I definitely think the Silent Hill stuff is really good! (the whole video is of course but seeing as how that is marked to be cut)

Is there a way to keep most of the clips from the Illuminaughtii section, but make them shorter without losing the point? I agree that the pacing gets a bit bogged down in that section, but also think that the volume of examples is important to the point you're making.

can't wait to see the next two hours of this!

Wow, that disclaimer that you might ruin a youtuber I like would have been very relevant two months ago. Thankfully, I got tired of her videos just ending without payoff and moved on to other video essay tubers.

Amazing job, thank you so much for sharing! I had not been familiar with Illuminaughti before, but I keep seeing her videos as recommended all the time. Looking at the examples you added, it genuinely would be hard to tell these are long strings of quotes.

I'm very late to this conversation, but I really like the part in the beginning where you reach into your ruined sleeve as a pocket. Please keep that part in the video to please ME in particular. It's quite important.

Dont cut too much! Showing the full scale of her theft is a lot better than just showing a couple examples and saying "you know those examples? All of her videos are like that."

Thanks! I'm making a lot of cuts to this section, so hopefully it flows much better

Corroborated* lol. And thank you!

Echoing what the comments say, needs some trimming on the illuminaughty stuff but other than that, hilarious and informative as always!

oh, absolutely, but it depends whether the point of this is video is "there is a problem and fuck this youtuber in particular" or "there is a wider problem and here it is laid out". Admittedly, this is only a part of the video.

I did also just learn today (from the podcast You're Wrong About) that the guy who ran the Stanford prison experiment apparently just copied it from one of his grad students, too, so if you decide to keep that part, that could be a fun little fact to bring up. It's plagiarism all the way down!

while i do think the illuminaughti section goes on a while, i dont think the 'shots taken' are unnecessary even in the slightest. She's been making tons of money doing low effort copy paste video essays, she and anyone else like her deserves to be made fun of lol.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was waaayyy too much. Like, I think it's an interesting topic to discuss, but there's a lot of redundancy in this long a discussion on it.

Please don't cut the Shapiro joke. It's too good, the world needs to hear it.

I do! I don't think it would be fair to release it, though. For all my jokes there's a level of meanness that feels wrong.

Thanks! I'm still going back and forth on so many sections and I think this decided it for me

I don't have anything profound to say, just know that your doing incredible work (outtakes and all). Also by any chance do you have lukiepoo's full response video archived? I'd love to watch that.

I have never felt before like a crime has been TOO proven before. It was all very thorough, very well put together, but the pacing is off. I 100% agree with Violet though, the Ben Shapiro joke was amazing... I'd cut some of the side by sides and add more Ben Shapiro burns 😂

i really like the video as it is honestly, get rid of any comparisons if you want to but that shapiro medusa joke is gold

This becomes The Endless Eight, like I get the bit here, but I’m so over it I had to stop multiple times lll.

Squeezed out? I believe you mean "extruded" (I hope nobody has already made this joke on the plagiarism video)

I like how long and repetitive (forensically thorough and well-researched) and angry (justifiably) it is.

You've been repeating yourself like crazy, in this and the deus ex video. What's up with that? It really hurts the pacing and makes the videos boring any lecturey. Like bro I heard you the first time. This would've been better as half the length

the cornucopia of evidence of plagiarism stops becoming a feast of comedy and instead becomes an avalanche of evidence so encumbering that it completely eclipses the memory of filip in the same video and instead becomes an illuminaughty video.

My eyes went 👀 at Lindsay Ellis's books in the trash (?!) at 2:30

Is the Good Doctor Foundation associated with the show The Good Doctor?

I love this video. Definitely cut down the illuminaughti stuff; though not your intent, it is likely to appear as a personal grudge and just provoke unproductive conflict. Could probably cut half the examples, or at least speed them up a little.

Think the Illuminaughti section should be trimmed way back. I got to ~55mins and realised that the next ~40 were still going to be on her and had to stop. By that stage I'd got the point. In fact I'd had the point rammed through my brain. And it was painful.

I second? Third? trimming the Illuminaughtii section. I definitely understand that it's this long partly because she misrepresented the contents of a shorter video, but I still feel like you could make the point effectively with maybe half the examples.

Enjoyed! I would say it doesn’t quite have the same escalation of the OOF video, which (to me) makes it feel a little longer than it actually is. But then Blair is generally a less interesting person than Tommy, especially when you’re trying to avoid the quagmire of her associated dramas.

REPENT, HARLEQUIN

When the full version of this comes out can I just take the video, dub my own audio over yours, and edit out your face from the video? I'll put a link in the description so everyone knows I used you as a source.

I'm echoing others, but the Illuminaughti section could be trimmed down. Specifically the Fyre Festival bit. It has some good jokes, but at some point it starts to feel less like a video solely about plagiarism and more like a personal vendetta. That said, the LukiePoo apology gag was *chefs kiss*.

never thought I'd see him beef with other y******rs again

Agreed

Hold on I need to draw you swinging a baseball bat at a beehive, then I can give more insightful input. (REALLY Good stuff so far!)

Maybe she can take a frame of Harris looking silly and lie about a bunch of the things he said, like she did last time.

Wish I had more critique to add, all I can say is I love what I've seen so far and I'm very excited for the final vid!!

oh finally! something to do for the next two hours!

Bravo, can’t wait to see the rest!

Cut nothing. Release 15 hour videos, I can't listen to you enough at work.

Yesss it’s exactly that

I'm echoing others, but the Illuminaughti section could be trimmed down. Specifically the Fyre Festival bit. It has some good jokes, but at some point it starts to feel less like a video solely about plagiarism and more like a personal vendetta. That said, the LukiePoo apology gag was chefs kiss.