Sight and Sound
Added 2022-12-01 21:20:30 +0000 UTCThe list is out. The number one spot, among others, was surprising. And yet...I feel like I should'nt be that surprised. What are your thoughts? Let's discuss.
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Michael Haneke’s Amour.
Bennett Oliver
2022-12-06 05:40:23 +0000 UTCI so agree. ><
Deepfocuslens
2022-12-05 18:33:27 +0000 UTCHuh. A lot of the films and people I mentioned were on that list, and then some. It only serves to further illustrate my point about what’s being valued for selection. You’re right, it is egregious.
Bennett Oliver
2022-12-02 02:44:27 +0000 UTCGiven what was added this is pretty egregious - https://twitter.com/TomDavidson09/status/1598406907210989577
Stephen
2022-12-02 02:13:15 +0000 UTCOkay, so am I really being led to believe that Portrait of a Lady on Fire, Moonlight, Parasite, and Get Out are deserving of being on a list of the greatest films ever made and Jean Renoir’s Grand Illusion, Erich von Stroheim’s Greed, Ingmar Bergman’s Seventh Seal, Cries and Whispers, Wild Strawberries, etc. (really, just one Bergman film on the list?), or any of the films made by the likes of Bernardo Bertolucci, Hou Hsiao-hsien, Terrence Malick, or Howard Hawks don’t belong on the list? I would be very curious to hear the arguments made by everyone compiling their lists to justify such decisions. I wonder how many times we would hear words like “problematic”, “tone-deaf”, and “white male.” Jordan Peele gets to steal from Roman Polanski’s playbook and get a movie on the list, but because of the crimes he committed that had nothing to do with the films he made, Polanski doesn’t even get a consideration by anyone I bet. It wouldn’t be considered the correct thing to do. I like lists. If only because, at the very least, they provide a guideline for anyone looking for new movies to discover, for me and anyone else. I suppose this list does that as well. But it’s still bullshit. And no, Jeanne Dielman is not the greatest film ever made.
Bennett Oliver
2022-12-02 02:04:55 +0000 UTCLa La Land for being a beautiful tribute to several of the films on the list and just being one of the most technically beautiful films in terms of every aspect from directing to cinematography to camera work to writing to music, etc.
Wolfman Brandon
2022-12-02 01:34:04 +0000 UTCOn the critic's poll, I nearly laughed when I saw Imitation of Life but I am glad they picked the Douglas Sirk version because that's the superior one over the 1934 original but there's no way it's top 100 material. Plus, Get Out? Moonlight? Parasite? Not that they're bad but how did they make it and not Kubrick's Paths of Glory or Howard Hawk's Bringing Up Baby and how in the world do they not have Gone With the Wind? I was worried about political inclusions and sure enough.
Wolfman Brandon
2022-12-01 23:20:41 +0000 UTCAgreed on the directors poll is much better
Stephen
2022-12-01 22:26:06 +0000 UTCI think the directors poll is better than the critics one. You can definitely feel the political shade with the critics one. Luckily I didn't think it was as egregious as The Rolling Stone greatest songs poll that came out recently. Get Out is great but its placement on this list is ridiculous. From the 2010's I think The Tree of Life and Holy Motors should've been included. Any films from the 2010's you think should've been included?
Ken
2022-12-01 22:24:35 +0000 UTCLike ofc the African films they got are Touki Bouki and Black Girl, but nothing egregious in my opinion
jared Clarke
2022-12-01 21:42:48 +0000 UTCYeah most likely. I’ll definitely be interested to see individual ballots.
Stephen
2022-12-01 21:42:24 +0000 UTCI guess I don’t expect out there choices from sight and sound
jared Clarke
2022-12-01 21:41:03 +0000 UTCYeah agin...I kinda think this list is pointedly trying to hard to be inclusive. While in some ways....it's great, in other ways it annoys me. Sure...Dielmann a great and pleasant edition. But...Get Out, Moonlight...I dunno, I find these more to be socially relevant than worthy of a top 100 list.
Deepfocuslens
2022-12-01 21:39:18 +0000 UTCI haven’t seen Jeanne Dielmann so I don’t have an opinion one way or another there. It honestly just makes me want to see it even more. Kind of taken aback that movies like Get Out, Moonlight, Portrait of a Lady on Fire Parasite, and In the Mood for Love made the list. I like them all to varying degrees but definitely not as all time greats. Mulholland Dr on the other hand works for me. While Ive seen a billion movies there’s still plenty on here I still need to catch up with or rewatch. Daisies, for example, is one I liked fine and think I understand what the director wanted to say n do but still don’t get why it’s all time great film. Also Sansho the Baliff or another film made by Mizoguchi should be higher. I saw a lot of his movies earlier this year for the first time and am still floored by how great he is.
Stephen
2022-12-01 21:36:05 +0000 UTCIt's way too obvious. When I said I was surprised...but shouldn't be...I meant that I guess I expected more from them, but shouldn't have been surprised. And yes...it feels more political to me. Portrait of a Lady on Fire feels like an easy way to just give an answer to the feminists complaining about not enough women on the list. There are better films to pick, and better filmmakers imo. And yes...wouldn't it be lovely if Zulawski and Cronenberg and Haynes to be represented. But...it's not fashionable to be a white male artist these days unfortunately. I know that these lists are rarely about quality over status or political background but...I am disappointed in the pointed nature of this.
Deepfocuslens
2022-12-01 21:33:10 +0000 UTCI think Jeanne Dielman is a fantastic choice for the top 10, and I don't mind its top 1 spot at all either. Another truly wonderful addition: Meshes of the Afternoon. But on the whole, many of the choices seem too, obvious for lack of a better word. Personally, I would have loved to see some more daring ones, as unlikely as they are to emerge from a consensus algorithm: Forget about Portrait of a Lady on Fire. If there is just one film from the 2010s that deserved inclusion, it would be Peter Strickland's The Duke of Burgundy. Where is Żuławski if not in the top ranks? No Cronenberg at all? Where is Todd Haynes's masterpiece Safe? And so on, and so on.
Michael Hofmann
2022-12-01 21:29:30 +0000 UTCI’m happy Close-Up made it so high this time, and the three-way tie between Casablanca/Goodfellas/The Third Man is cool. The biggest surprise for me was The Gleaners and I making the list. I love it, and I’m happy to see it, but I definitely feel like there are better documentaries out there. The directors’ list is better imo because it includes Come and See, but neither list included Tampopo, which is quite wack.
Jared Angcanan
2022-12-01 21:26:14 +0000 UTC
