Stocked Pistols: Pros and Cons (ad-free)
Added 2023-07-28 12:00:03 +0000 UTCStocked pistols: they have been around as long as pistols have been around, but are they really all that useful?
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Dear Ian, thanks for a great video, do you think the problem with the sights is that you and I are 20-ish years older than the primary intended users for, say, an artillery Luger?
Tore Martinussen
2023-07-31 20:22:36 +0000 UTCJust a bit of entertainment industry trivia here on the subject of stocked pistols: in the 1960s there were many TV series set in the 'Old West'. Most of them included some kind of specialty firearm for the main character. One of these series was "The Restless Gun" staring John Payne. He carried what appeared to be a regular Colt Single Action with what I believe was a 5 1/2" barrel. In some episodes he would get in a situation where he would reach into his saddlebag and take out a stock, barrel and some kind of tool. He would then remove the 5 1/2" barrel with a simple turn of the tool and install what looked like a factory 12" barrel. With the stock then attached, he would have what we now call a PCC. That would be an interesting gun to find and do a video for it. Lest we forget the other 'space gun' of the sixties was the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." modified P-38s. According to a contemporary article in "Gun World" magazine, the armorers at MGM modified 4 P-38s to select fire, detachable shoulder stock, barrel extensions with included suppressors and extended magazines. After the MGM auction, no one talked about what happened to those four unique pistols/PCC/submachine guns. Those would be another fascinating "Forgotten Weapon" to find.
Dana Arbeit
2023-07-31 12:53:00 +0000 UTCIn your Desert Brutality video you mentioned that you thought the Browning-Whiting tilting barrel action was causing a lot of the dispersion. Has ammo consistency replace this as what you feel is the limiting factor? Considering PCCs can hold a tighter group (admittedly not checked performance while both are clamped) with the same general ammo but are all fixed barrel simple or delayed blowback it seems like the action still has a strong influence.
Will Sanders
2023-07-31 12:09:13 +0000 UTCI agree with all of your comments in the video. I was thinking of the M712 Schnelifeuer which really wouldn't work without a stock. 100,000 made and presumably used. I'm sure any German issued one would have preferred an MP40 though. Also, the Spanish had a version of this, probably most went to China.
Thomas Batha
2023-07-30 15:12:13 +0000 UTCStocked pistols are a lot of fun to shoot, a M712 is dangerous without the stock with the selector in the "R" position. I have not fired any stocked pistols other than the C96 Mauser, M712 Mauser, Sketchin, and other various machine pistols, but I'd like to.
Steven E
2023-07-29 01:42:57 +0000 UTCInstead of a Long Rant of Why I think it's a Good idea let's just summarize it down to a simple little statement, "Practice Makes Perfect"!!! 🤠👍
Paul Beck
2023-07-29 00:30:11 +0000 UTCExceptions exist though: an 1887 Werder pistol- with a red dot and a carbine stock; and a Colt Officer's Model target in 32-20. Both inside 10" at 150yd
Brian Ross
2023-07-28 21:56:43 +0000 UTCI agree that accuracy, and therefor range is greatly limited by the ammo and calibers of stocked pistols. 125 yards seems to be the threshold.
Brian Ross
2023-07-28 21:49:45 +0000 UTCGood review, not just theory but practical experience. Hands-on info is always great. Still, I'd like to get a holster stock for my C96, just "because". Perhaps time to research the ATF guidance again, so I can go shoot it that way and not be glancing over my shoulder all the time.
Derek Elsberry
2023-07-28 16:02:17 +0000 UTCMost removable stocks are, at best, a compromise. You are correct that the worst aspect is the iron sights and that modern red dot optics do make improved performance.
EyeBall
2023-07-28 15:32:11 +0000 UTCNot only does it provide more consistent accuracy at long ranges and stability for followup shots, I find that using the stock greatly improves the reliability of my C96s. I have found that failures to feed or eject usually occur when shooting freehand. With the stock it's like clockwork. Free tip: to remedy a wobble, put a small strip of cardboard in the stock slot.
Thomas Walls
2023-07-28 15:27:32 +0000 UTCwell some weird adjustables going hundrets of yards is obviously silly given the ballistics and effects of a handgun. some ghost ring is maybe the way to go. I'd assume that is an option like 25-100 max. they look cool. the time to reconfigure from handgun to stock attached is maybe somewhat unrealistic. but laws aside I bet the glocks are the c96s of today. quiet a few stocks from the smallest to pistol/carbine/conversion out there. people still have the idea in mind. for pilots sniper sidearms or cops maybe rightly so.
Guido Schriewer
2023-07-28 15:26:44 +0000 UTCWhen and if, someone with lots of money and 'standing' challenges the NFA's ban on stocked pistols, this video should be use as evidence. Obviously, the Founders were aware of stocked pistols, therefore the " constitutional text and history" means that the NFA ban is unconstitutional. Thank you Ian.
JacksonCZ
2023-07-28 12:52:37 +0000 UTCThey're great... at allowing pistols to accomplish tasks for which they were never intended [ie: those tasks for which a proper rifle/carbine is a better choice.] And no, an AR "pistol" is just an SBR w/o a stock, so putting a stock back on doesn't make it a "pistol w/ a stock," any other legal considerations aside. [Any&all federal gun regs being de facto infringements.]
Bruce Brodnax
2023-07-28 12:26:00 +0000 UTC
