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Final Ultimate Master Skills List, Mk 2

Skills are crucial because they're the way the heroine interacts with the game world.  They're also one of the things that should make your heroine unique – without a robust way of tracking what your agent can and can't do, all agents can do everything.


WHAT SKILLS DO WE NEED?
Here's a list of things the heroine will definitely have to do during the main quest:

And here's a list of things she'll probably do in side quests:


GRANULARITY
If we have too many skills, the coding, UI and scenario design become complex (because there are lots of skills to manage).

But if we have too few skills, the writing becomes complex (because the game mechanics can't support the scenes that writers want to create).

Too granular
Imagine if the game had both Sneak and Hide skills.  Writing a stealth scene becomes complex, because you have to write a version for characters who can Sneak but not Hide.  (I guess the guards can't see her until she stops moving. 😀)
This solution is too complex.  One Stealth skill would be better design.
Too vague
What if the game had only two skills: Action Heroine and Porn Star?  That's superficially attractive because it's so simple, and it broadly covers all the scenarios above.
But writing now becomes more complex.  Imagine writing a scene where a thug chases the heroine into a dead-end alley.  You want to give the player a choice – scale the wall and escape, or turn and fight!
But if both paths use the Action Heroine skill, the player decision is meaningless – both outcomes have the same chance of success or failure.  The game mechanics can't produce what the writer wants (a genuine decision point) so the writer's job is now a lot more complex.
This solution is oversimplified.  Separate Fight and Climb skills would be better design.
Just right
We need a skill system that supports a wide range of activities but also doesn't have a skill list that looks like a telephone directory.


FINAL ULTIMATE MASTER SKILLS LIST, MK 2
Here's the new starter skill list.  (More skills will be added as writers need them; for instance, if the heroine learns how to give massages in Bangkok, we can add the Massage skill.)

Each skill has a level from 0 (rookie) to 10 (legend).  Training or practical use of a skill can make your heroine level up.


I know what you're thinking: isn't this too vague?  And the answer would be yeah...except for the clever bit.


THE CLEVER BIT
Each skill can have a number of "specialities".  These are different from skills because the heroine either has them, or she doesn't; they don't each have their own level.

Example specialities:

Sometimes it's easiest just to see things.  Here's how this might look on a character sheet:

(This agent has Dance +2 with no specialities; Drive +1 with the Car and Motorbike specialities; and Sports +2 with the Swimming speciality.  The green bars show her progress to the next level.)


How this works


The point of this feature


I feel like I've spent way too long on this feature already; but it's a core problem identified in the MFAGA 2 plan, and if we don't fix this in a way that it stays fixed then it makes every single scene in the game slower to write, for me and for future contributors.  I'm feeling pretty good about this solution, but it will be a few days before we start actually coding it, so please help with critiques/feedback.

Final Ultimate Master Skills List, Mk 2

Comments

I suppose it's possible to make knowledge of a language a toggle like the the sexual predilections. You either have it or you don't. The code for a scene then would become a lot easier I imagine as you either load the description with or without the translation and I imagine being able to speak Thai or learning it is going to be fairly key to survival once you are undercover in Bangkok.

Iain

I had this theory back when I became a Patron that this Patreon isn't about developing a game but rather a reality internet chronicle of a game's development. I've contributed to a number of these over the years and none of them ever reached "Gold" release status. Crush is great at doing updates (usually) but actually delivering on the product remains elusive. I said Bangkok 2021, but for long time backers, honestly, who thinks Bangkok 2022 is more likely than 2021?

Anand

We're just worried because you've been refining the mechanics for gameplay for 3 years but have yet to move on to the actual implementation of that in core gameplay, aka Bangkok. The current gameplay is the same demo you put out 2 years ago, just with more added mechanics. It's important to us (and to you) that this is actually going somewhere, rather than getting stuck in an endless feedback loop until judgement day and trumpets sound.

hornguy6

If I may suggest, you may want to make some of your basket skills a little more vague, actually. Adding in specialties down the road is likely less trouble than a whole new basket that you will have to go back and check into. Example: Firearms to Aim, in case you want to throw in a scene with a bow and arrow. First Aid to Medicine. I expect having a skill to counsel or console others (medicine for the heart and mind) might have a place> Dance to Perform. Singing and stripping might live more comfortably under that. A Perception skill might be needed. If it's a spy story, spies have to notice things all the time. Empathy for people, finding clues, analyzing patterns, while I imagine Tradecraft (that's a good one) is more using tools and techniques with what you find. Good luck!

Erin Blanche

Anand, sorry, I know you brought this up in an earlier comment which I meant to address. This is a complex issue but you guys deserve a serious answer; I'll try to cover it (and Hornguy's comment from a couple days ago along similar lines) in tonight's week end report (or early next week if time runs away with me)

Crushstation

Yes exactly, bloat is the danger here

Crushstation

When Female Agent is complete, I intend to show it to a therapist and ask them what's wrong with me

Crushstation

I originally planned to use languages like skills, but on reflection writing a dialogue scene that took skill rolls into account would be an absolute nightmare for a writer. I do want the game to support language barrier scenes, but we'll probably handle it separately from the skill system (i.e. the heroine either speaks Russian or she doesn't, we don't try to model her fluency using the skill system.) As for the degree subjects – Psychology would probably be a speciality of Charisma, but the others may need to become their own master skills (or possibly we introduce a new General Knowledge master skill, with specialities like Law and International Relations)

Crushstation

This is astute because that's where I think we could trip up in the future. It's trivially easy to add new skills, but that's how we'll overcomplicate this if we're not judicious about that. But yeah, absolutely we can (and will need to) add new master skills.

Crushstation

A lot of emphasis on the framework, very little emphasis on plot development. Bangkok 2021?

Anand

It looks like a good system to keep complexity in check, while still modeling reality fairly well. After all even if you don't know any German, you can still communicate good enough in German if you speak good Dutch. Keeping the skill list from bloating up over time will be hard work though. It's easy to add things as you need them, it's hard to keep those additions as generic as the initial list, merging them as necessary.

Cofi

sounds good! Also on a first glance I read 'Write reports' as 'Watersports' so that's a whole 'nother thing I'd have to talk to my therapist about if I had one.

Antilles

Is it me or are there no language or knowledge skills in that list? i.e the school stuff. I suppose you could make a linguistics skill with language specialism and a profession skill with specialisms for the professional training areas. Law, international relations et al. After all are we expecting everyone to be able to translate the Cicero quote?

Iain

How modular are the skill categories themselves? The specialties are good because you can theoretically add any specific scenario under the skill category it fits into, but do you have a plan or an idea for how to handle skill expansion should it become necessary? To use your finances example, where does that fit? It doesn't seem like it settles into any of the above categories, so, for arguments sake, would it be relatively simple for you to add and seed another category, in this case let's call it "Intellect", to accommodate this? That's the only catch I can see at this point, how modular is the overarching system and does it need to be finalised now or can it be added to later. Still, I don't know shit about coding, so...

Mordschlag

Really like how this looks! Can't wait to see how it works!

elmagio


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