Avatar 18+ pg 42
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so now Katara wants to let things go ? wow just wow
IzukuVance
2024-04-06 15:22:28 +0000 UTCIβm gonna say this about the zuko to azula comparison we saw zuko go through a lot of development through the original season changing his was etc. Azula was devout in her madness from start to end no deviation except falling deeper in and now suddenly she's changed up? So we should just accept her sudden goodness and put her on the same tier as zuko?
jango381
2024-04-03 11:37:15 +0000 UTC"But nice false equivalence" my guy that is LITERALLY pulled from the definition of gaslighting. So you admit to not knowing what gaslighting is and now you're so commited to not looking foolish you bury your head in the sand. Quite telling. I guess you do claim your friends are gaslighting you when they tell you to chill. "Far what was present in the show" you do know comics exist yeah? Or did you think only the show and LA existed? Or the light novels you're saying those done exist? I'd suggest less watching and more reading. "You're points about Zaheer and Yangchen are irrelevant" only because it proves you're wrong. "They're inspired not a 1:1" except when it is. Detachment of emotions/earthly ties IS a 1:1 comparison. HA! Caught you slipping. "Momk gyatso, the guy literally advocated against detachment" you just admitted detachment is infact a part of air nomad culture. You cannot say it wasn't a part of his culture and upbringing and also claim people in said culture are against it. Imma discard the part you used relating to cannon. Just like with the word gaslight you don't seem to know what cannon means. Yes he's dismissing her and said we can talk AFTER the ceremony. Because between the 2 of them clearly Aang knew there would be a lot ot drama and potential in fighting. Which surprise surprise he was right now that she's batting for azula the person who MURDERED a guard and shows zero remorse. I think I'd rather take the side of the air nomad who is angry at himself showing he has some remorse over the murderous fire bender who gave good seggs one time and is somehow able to be forgiven despite showing no remorse. Okay so I see you're using bad speech and trying to build Katara to be some frail/fragile victim bit she's not. Gaslight was used wrong, cannon was wrong and now the way you use victim is wrong. Katara was a victim of Aang cheating. She was not a victim of some sort of abuse like how you're portraying her. She doesn't get to force herself onto Aang no more than Aang gets to cheat. Both are wrong. Not really an "understanding" when the murderous fire bender is trying to escape instead of staying at the house like they supposedly agreed. Let's ignore the fact she killed someone. Let's ignore the story and fluff up this weird notion that Katara I'd a survivor of... something. No neither of them could because there is no hypocrisy moment for them. None of them have ever said "let things go" to her. If they did you'd have a point but they didn't and you don't. Zuko had to actually work for his forgiveness I didn't realize all he had to do was bang Katara once to be forgiven. Jokes aside Zuko wanted forgiveness and to seek redemption Azula even now doesn't. Considering she is willing to forgive someone who murders animals and people for fun is forgivable and willing to let the past go vs a Monk who didn't kill people or animals for fun is absolutely hypocritical.
Draco7876 .
2024-03-27 15:17:56 +0000 UTC" into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events." you typed all that only to completely ignore how telling someone to be reasonable in a situation they weren't being unreasonable qualifiies as gaslighting... but nice false equivalence. Again, as far as what was present in the show, aang wasn't raised with the concept of detachment. your points about zaheer and yangchen are entirely irrelevant. air nomads draw inspiration from buddism but they do not mirror it 1:1 as clearly seen, again, with monk gyatso. the guy literally advocated against detachment with regards to aang's upbringing and his stance on the subject in general, and i'm taking the greatest air bender of his time's word on the subject with regards to air benders. using actual buddism is a false equivalence here as it doesn't add up with what is present in cannon. when I said after the initial fight, i'm talking about after they left. if you paid attention to what aang was saying, he wanted to move on as if nothing ever happened, then later assumed katara agreed to that. Katara gets to 'force the issue' because he's the one dismissing her. the person who wrongs someone doesn't get to decide how their victims should go about forgiving them and atoning. And you've clearly never heard of the phrase, "right message, wrong messenger"... let's ignore that katara and azula come to an understanding before sex was even involved... Someone who isn't actively avoiding letting things go properly and not resolving the issue first is better equipped to address katara's "hypocrisy" on this subject. it could be zuko, sokka, toph ect. but not aang. like others have pointed out, azula isn't the first person she's forgiven who has committed crimes(see zuko, jet ect).
knightshade
2024-03-27 05:48:20 +0000 UTCThat's not gaslighting that's the part you're lying about. To gaslight means to manipulate another person into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events. Aang did not gaslight her he just made poor choice of words there as no manipulation involved. Are you really about to claim if someone tells you to "calm down" when you're mad they're trying to manipulate you? Detachment of ones feelings has ALWAYS been a part of the airnomad ways. Look up Buddhism and how in order to gain enlightenment one must DETACH from their emotions. Zaheer detached form his earthly attachments and gained the ability of flight it's quite literally a part of air nomad culture. Not everyone can do this because it's a very dangerous and toxic thing to do and goes against the notion of "all life is sacred" Yangchen is an Avatar first and air nomad second doesn't really make a difference. Aang kept his attachments and found a way. Yangchen killed so many people and even got banned from an air temple not even Kyoshi who irrc is decended from an air nomad got banned form an air temple and she killed almost as much as Yangchen. Aang wasn't taught to let go of his attachments much like he wasn't taught to harbor anger or resentment yet he has it and learned it. Part of his upbringing wasn't teaching him forbidden air techniques yet he knows them due to Yangchen. Him detaching and distancing from his emotions especially when he is still mad at himself is 100% valid especially if you're someone who has gone through it. He rejected letting go of it because he wasn't conditioned to let go on his attachments at that stage of being an air nomad. We know very little of their teachings however we can draw parallels by understanding where the air nation derives its teachings from which is Buddhism. Part of Buddhism is detaching yourself from one's emotions and earthly ties to gain enlightenment. Sound familiar? *cough* Zaheer *cough* Neither of them trying to work on it in the immediate aftermath is false. Aang tried he got rejected and Katara needed time to heal. What prevented either one from trying within the time frame of the 1st comic and this? Katara chose now and Aang doesn't want to hear it because he's still upset and blames himself. He's in his own head and it's toxic for him. But I gotta wonder instead of letting go and waiting until Aang is also ready to talk why does Katara get to force herself onto him? Why does Katara get to force aang to talk when clearly he doesn't at that point? Then we get into Azula. She's willing to forgive her because seggs. Meanwhile she literally killed her prison guard to escape and so far Azula doesn't show like she wants to move on in a healthy way either. The only difference is Azula gave Katara some seggs and Aang didn't. Aang has every right to say that and call her out on the hypocrisy. Nobody has said what Aang did back then was right and how he's handling it either. What they are saying is he's right in calling out Katara for her hypocrisy in letting Azula the person who killed someone be forgiving because she gave Katara seggs. Aang actually does get the ability to point this out due to it being Azula and considering Aang wanted to let the past go but Katara didn't is exactly why he made that statement. She is willing to let go of the past for someone who literally murdered someone to get out of jail where she belongs vs letting go of the past to move forward and so she and Aang can heal in their own way.
Draco7876 .
2024-03-27 02:04:03 +0000 UTCit's literally that part! yeah you can say he made a slip of the tongue, but that doesn't change that she had every right to be upset in that moment, so telling her to be reasonable in any context comes off as gaslighting. yangchen is an avatar first, air nomad second. the simple fact of the matter is that detachment is not something aang learned from his upbringing, as seen with monk giatso, so using that as an explanation for his behavior in this context is invalid. why would aang completely reject patiq telling him to let katara go if this was something he was already conditioned to do via the air nomads? neither of them trying to work on it in the immediate aftermath doesn't change what happened the minute one of them did try to work on it. they both on some level gave each other space, but in the moment where they had to interact for the sake of sokka, one of them decided to be an adult and hash it out and the other ran away. and Yes, katara is being inconsistent to a degree. But if anyone is to be pointing this out, it's not aang
knightshade
2024-03-27 01:05:04 +0000 UTCRemind me where he gaslit her when she caught him in the act? Only thing he did was put his foot in his mouth by saying "let's be reasonable" it's like telling an angry person to calm down it isn't going to work. I actually did read and watch the series as well as looked at its inspirations. Even Yangchen said he had to forgo his attachments to do what's best for the world which meant him killing ozai which went against the air nations teachings of pacifism and mercy. Being passive is understandable when there's been a certain time span to which Katara could have also stepped up. Aang and Katara went their own ways, neither of them tried to work it out with the other, neither of them tried to "move past it" in a healthy manner. Both still hold onto it in some form. Whether you want to say it's passive or detachment we all understand it's due to his culture and teachings.
Draco7876 .
2024-03-26 18:33:34 +0000 UTCbecause gaslighting katara the moment he was caught cheating and telling her she's overreacting is "trying to fix things"... lol. it seems like you didn't pay attention because detachment isn't something aang learned from the air nomads, that was guru patiq in the "crossroads of destiny". aang's critical flaw is that he's too attached to people if anything, but the flaw thats moreso a problem here is that he's too passive and prone to avoiding and evading (which is actually what he learned from the air nomads)
knightshade
2024-03-26 16:38:14 +0000 UTCI mean she's really not, you are totally misconstruing what Aang did and what he has STILL not even admitted or has taken accountability for which to start off with fact that he was fornicating with toph behind kataras back and actively denied any of his own problems with himself amd kataras relationship, and now all of a sudden he comes out of nowhere to try and call Katara out when he has absolutely no right more than anyone to, because he is the main one that literally forced her out of their relationship to begin with and ran away from his problems something that he's known to have done in the past and with katara here, it makes him an even bigger hypocrite considering he's an air Nomad and someone who prides himself off of helping resolve people's problems as positively as possible and he literally didn't do shit to try and rectify his asinine behavior except run away as per usual......all he did was ignor what he did to Katara when SHE tried to talk to him about it FIRST. Can we all agree that Katara is a hypocrite here? absolutely! But we also need to read the room and see that aang is the biggest hypocrite here and is by far way more in the wrong than Katara is here..... And in regards to Azula, you guys are also blindly ignoring the fact that Katara and Zuko were alsp omce sworn enemies THEMSELVES, and she absolutely hated the man with all her being, he also tried to hunt them down and actively went after both her family, herself and Aang! Yet somehow azula's even a bigger problem for people than Zuko is?? gtfo. That's hypocrisy at its finest
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-26 15:31:42 +0000 UTCI can't tell if people didn't read the 1st comic or not(cause it seems like nobody here did) but Aang did try to fix it and Katara rejected him rightfully so. Aang accepted Katara was angry and he decided to move on without resolving it. Katara was the only one who didn't want to move on and even now she doesn't seem to want to. Aang is still upset and hurt but he doesn't know how to process it properly due to the teachings of the air nomads(and people genuinely forget this part) being detached from their feelings. What aang did was wrong however Katara is also going about this in an equally hypocritical and toxic manner
Draco7876 .
2024-03-26 07:14:41 +0000 UTCBruv I wanna see Katara get the taste smacked out her mouth πππ
Draco7876 .
2024-03-26 07:01:21 +0000 UTCAlthough i agree, wrong time wrong place is not the main problem with aang here though. It's that he hasn't chosen to hash those problems out with katara AT ALL. Which is why I find it super weird how people are falsely trying to pin all the blame of katara being the bigger hypocrite here when Aang has had EVERY opportunity to talk things out and apologize for his actions towards katara and has done none of that and all of a sudden katara having a thing for azula is now making her the worst person all of a sudden here? Do people just glaze over the fact that She's already with zuko AND mai, who were both once their literal sworn enemy and also hunted them down the same way azula did.........but these comments are ignorantly blind to reading the room. Aang has selfishly chosen to deny any and all confrontation or accountability of his actions with katara and man the fuck up......for God's sake he STILL hasn't even told katara that he's been fornicating with toph behind her back π
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-26 04:18:20 +0000 UTCAll I will say about this is that there is a proper time, place, and way to hash out old grievances, and Aang has chosen none of them in this moment. And panel 2 Zuko is priceless. XD
CrowMagnon
2024-03-26 02:15:01 +0000 UTCThe hair was mostly to help sell the idea that time has passed, but I also like that it visually separates him from the Aang we used to know
EmmaBrave
2024-03-25 23:54:31 +0000 UTCNot saying that she wasn't picking and choosing, but you're seriously glossing over the fact that Katara took it upon herself FIRST to try and fix things with Aang immediately after she caught him in the ACT, she also was the only one to initiate trying to talk out and resolve their problems, something that Aang has always notably been the one to always do given his nature as an air Nomad and his strong Belief in helping others. He's the one everyone is supposed to go to to talk out their problems and to try and help fix things in the best way possible, yet he outright ignores and literally dismisses Katara. The one woman he's supposed to trust and confide in, yet when she's trying to talk to him and trying to resolve what he did and how he wronged her, he flat out ingores her! YES, katara may be wrong for building a newfound relationship with the likes of azula but Katara wasn't the one who created a toxic environment for their relationship nor did she forticate with a close friend behind a significant others back, which aang was whole heartedly doing with toph to begin with.....aang is clearly the biggest hypocrite and asshole ever and there's no way you can deny that.
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-25 21:47:36 +0000 UTCExactly! People are seriously glossing over aangs complete dismissal in trying to fix things with katara here when she CLEARLY asked to do so right off the bat, which is also more fucked up given aangs history of constantly pridimg himself as an air nomad and talking out peoples problems. Aang is not only a massive hypocrite to his and kataras relationship, he's an even bigger hypocrite to his own teachings/customs that he religiously lived by everyday.
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-25 21:41:35 +0000 UTCNot really.
Andrea Andrew
2024-03-25 20:02:37 +0000 UTCKatara digging her grave at the moment.
Julian Fratzscher
2024-03-25 19:33:26 +0000 UTCthe key difference is remorse. if aang had shown even a bit of it, katara would have heard him out. she's outright asking to talk to him and he's ignoring it. azula wronged katara too, yet she of all people showed compassion to katara (in her own fucked up way lol) and the potential to reconcile. that's why she's advocating for her to zuko, and why that's not same as what happened with aang.
knightshade
2024-03-25 16:56:08 +0000 UTCSheβs having a bit of fun? With azula? The same person whoβs tortured her brother, her current partner psychologically for years and asks for her to forgive her? But yet she couldnβt let go of what aang did? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Sheβs picking and choosing
Young Jester
2024-03-25 16:45:29 +0000 UTCNah Aangs a far bigger hypocrite here because he is the reason their breakup ended In a fucking train wreck to begin with tbh. And why shouldn't katara be able to have fun with whomever else she's wants? Lets not forget She was once sworn enemies with zuko, turned friends and is now his lover, she was also attached to the hip with aang and he basically said "fuck you" to his and kataras entire relationship. She shouldn't have to let that go at all just because of her newfound relationship with azula either
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-25 16:37:18 +0000 UTCHaha, I always love toph with her randomn "noice" input. Also especially love the humor between katara and zuko.....also telling aang to fuck off is icing on the cake here π€£ππΏ
GHETTOKINGKAI
2024-03-25 16:30:19 +0000 UTCyeah Aang has the right to call Katara out, especially after what the breakup
IzukuVance
2024-03-25 16:20:55 +0000 UTCnah. asking someone to give a person who you know is open to reconciling a chance is different from "let's forget this ever happened without ever addressing it". aang is just running away as usual
knightshade
2024-03-25 16:14:58 +0000 UTCPossession vs choiceβ¦.hmmmm
jango381
2024-03-25 16:12:04 +0000 UTCYep. These are polyamorous pervs (and I love it).
Andrea Andrew
2024-03-25 16:08:59 +0000 UTCSo is Aang. At least Katara fessed up, and nobody cares.
Andrea Andrew
2024-03-25 16:08:24 +0000 UTCYep
Apolyman
2024-03-25 16:07:17 +0000 UTCYES. TELL AANG TO FUCK OFF! LOVE IT.
FlynnWolf
2024-03-25 16:06:42 +0000 UTCFirst off Aang calling her out is fair lol. Second I'm curious, is Aang having hair story related, like it's because of their broken relationship? Or is it you prefer him with hair?
Moonless Knight
2024-03-25 16:06:31 +0000 UTCKatara is the biggest hypocrite Iβve ever seen lmao
Young Jester
2024-03-25 16:04:50 +0000 UTC
