CTR 2.1 RC5 - LESSON #1. PART 1. (How to make a diagnosis & profile creation)

Nope, guess I should have said alpha 19 or whatever term the v19 got.

Gabriel

You mean beta 18?

pannal

Beta 19 finally got me scoring the same or better than my best PBO with cooler temps. For example now I match my best PCMark where before that one will always be a win for PBO+CO in terms of performance. Other REAL apps are showing the same benefits. Things are moving forward for sure

Gabriel

Hey, basically all the overheating problems I had disappeared after I swapped my AIO, I assume my pump was broken. Thanks for the help

Timo H

I´m experiencing weird behaviour with CTR 2.1 RC5 (ver.18) and now also with previous RC4. Would like to see if i can have some help. After Diagnosis and tunning process all seems normal, profile creation, voltages and clock speeds, etc. All good. However, after rebooting system I encounter autoload profile is not working correctly. CTR does autoload but clockspeeds applied are wrong. Undervolt profie now is: VID: 1150mV CCX1: 4175Mhz CCX2: 4175Mhz CCX3: 4075Mhz CCX4: 4025Mhz But Instead of these, CTR is doing: VID: 1150mV CCX1: 4113Mhz CCX2: 3340Mhz CCX3: 3799Mhz CCX4: 3799Mhz This is fo Rayzen 9 3900X with mobo Asus Rog Strix B550I gaming and stable 32Gb RAM at 3200Mhz. I´ve tried clearing config and close for both RC4 and RC5 and repeated diagnosis & tunning process but is giving the same issue. First time this happened was testing latest RC5 version that´s why I wanted to check if going back to RC4 would have solve the problem but it doesn´t. One thing that seems to fix this temporary is desactivating/activating profile manually but after doing this, inspite of applying clockspeeds the right way, log is showing this message "The mutex holding time has expired!" What am I doing wrong? I didn´t find a note about something similar to this in the guides. Thanks.

Santiago Alcocer

I think it's P1

Yuri Bubliy

What kind of temps do you see with this setting?

Mitch Walker

So after doing a manual TUNE with my own reference voltage and frequency Penalties for the final profile: level 1 11:47:40 AM: CCX1 (185): 4675 MHz, 1250 mV OC+ 11:47:40 AM: CCX2 (149): 4575 MHz, 1250 mV OC= Cinebench R20 started Cinebench R20 finished with result: 11961 Voltage: 1.25 V PPT: 220.2 W Temperature: 79.8° Phoenix deactivated! Should I be using that a P1 or P2?

Gabriel

This is not a mistake, just increase your PPT and TDC limits in CTR (TUNER tab > Settings mode Advanced)

Yuri Bubliy

Gabriel

https://ibb.co/xX2CgCf

famich2005

Thanks for the voltage table, but honestly,after adjusting VC manually in the BIOS the voltage runs up to 1.375 not more and the cpu is running 4900-5050 range

famich2005

Boost does not work with manual voltages ;) https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AMD-Ryzen-5000-Desktop-CPUs_Temps_Overclock_Power-Limit_Profiles_2-740x416.jpg

Yuri Bubliy

I m aware of that. Is 1.5V really maximum allowable voltage by AMD ? Yesterday I tried 1.3125 or so in the BIOS @1.32 under load - Cyberpunk 5050-5100 boost . Can upload screenshots. My point being at such voltage CTR is not gonna bring me anywhere near it.

famich2005

I keep having the issue of all the media in my PC speeding up

Sebastian Grob Pla

That's just your guess. 1.375 is sweet-spot. The maximum allowable voltage is 1.5V (AMD). You have textbox fields in which you can set the voltages. After the new voltage has been installed, a recalculation must be performed.

Yuri Bubliy

I am not getting 80C, no way.. maximum 63C with a good AIO/ Liquid Freezer 280/. BTW, the reason for my post, the point is called the DISCUSSION. I have stated that before, not everyone is a sheep following the shepherd at the end of the day. BTW the PX voltage 1.375 at the top column is a permissible voltage by CTR, right ? I did not get me anywhere near 4900+ like OC on Dark Hero did. End of story.

famich2005

I dont think the PX profile is working correctly my cpu doesnt boost anywhere higher than 4.4 but it says that its in px high right now. I have a 5950x on Asrock x570 Creator.

Brandon A. Martinez

I just noticed it hit 180a EDC (limit I had set) @ 81 degrees (peak). Is it worth bumping that a little higher just to see what it can do? I'm on a custom loop (5x120mm) so I have decent cooling. I've never seen it hit 180a before, kind of surprised me. Aorus X570 Ultra motherboard. Edit: Was doing some more testing and EDC spiked at 256a with a CPU Die of 128.7 degrees (and reported core 0 clock of 74,599mhz (HWInfo 7.02). I'm assuming it's all erroneous data. https://flic.kr/p/2kW5cPB

Aaron Weigand

If you press calculate ob, the computer reboots and the ob value comes out to zero. Why is that? My CPU is 5900X and my main board is ASROCK Steel Legend B550M.

에르도

Yuri there seems to still be so much confusion about the goals of the project. It might be good to work on the branding a bit. Patreon and twitter, with the occasional youtube/guru3d article might not be enough. Of course this would distract from the development...

Doug Wilkinson

This is not a limit, it is a basic safe frequency. The OB can increase this frequency (depending on the sample and the conditions).

Yuri Bubliy

Absolutely incorrect comparison. I even made a video for this, so that people don't try to compare 200 W and 100 W, but they keep doing it for some reason. I also don't understand the reason why you don't increase the voltages? What is the point of this post? Let me explain again, the base volt is the base TDP. Many users hate 80 degrees in the game, they like 65 degrees. If you like 80, I repeat again, set the voltage to what you like. What's the problem?

Yuri Bubliy

I think I will pass another month or so on the subscriptions, got inconsistent results. I got a low VID CPU and, honestly, CRT is still not better than PBO + CO, at least for me. WIth CTR I got 4800+ boost at 1.157 or so, PBO brings at 1.27 boost over 5000 on large part of the cores. PX profile still does not work as it should.. 1.27 is completely safe voltage.

famich2005

Ran the diagnostic on my 5800 this morning and test stopped at 4.8ghz with 1325mv. Is 4.8 a limit of the software or is that what CTR determined was a limit for my CPU because of the voltage used to hit that clock (poor scalability when using higher than that)?

Aaron Weigand

So I noticed my cpu getting hotter in games now as well, I applied new thermal paste checked my coolers,connections etc. to be on the safe side I ordered a new AIO since I wanted a new one for a while now anyways. Hope this fixes it. Still, here are my Logs. I appreciate the help! https://filetransfer.io/data-package/Zcpp8K4r#link

Timo H

Lets check Ver 19. alpha https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mjqpZBr4XqCf9mFQ6Gl1wzx8Od0sdM0v/view?

Yuri Bubliy

Lets check Ver 19. alpha https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mjqpZBr4XqCf9mFQ6Gl1wzx8Od0sdM0v/view?

Yuri Bubliy

This doesn't open on my pc at all , CTR Loader is Listed ,will not open or load with windows even did shell:start up .no luck at all

Ricky Campbell

all logs, folder in CTR

Yuri Bubliy

You can stop the diagnostics when the OB test is finished :)

Yuri Bubliy

I'll send you an individual build and we'll check it out.

Yuri Bubliy

This doesn't open on my machine at all ... CTR Loader is listed in running programs. Nothing opens.

T R

hi! love this video. Can't wait for part 2 😁 I'm wondering if on zen 3 we should stop after successful diagnostics, or we should take the "Reccomended values for overclocking" for Profile 1 and 2 and use the tune function with those? I read in the manual that its only necessary for Zen 2 but these values are still created for Zen 3 and the clocks are higher so wondering what the guidance is...

Doug Wilkinson

The log of the cb Crash?

Timo H

Show your log please

Yuri Bubliy

Basically same happens, i see my core voltage raise to 1.4v and the temp raises at the same speed from 50 to 90. Will check bios. Checked cooling multiple times and everything should be fine.

Timo H

Every CPU is different. What -22 is for you could be a +28 for someone else. Negative values are rare but I know a few. About temps, double check your cooling! This is not normal. What are your temps at stock on CB20 all core test?

Riwwelorsch

It’s the PX Low test. I will try LLC 4 and report back

Mark Emmanuel

Also my OB value is -22 which seems kinda odd since I only saw posititve numbers so far

Timo H

As soon as I run the Diagnostic my 5800x goes above 90° and the test instantly gets cancelled, if I go through calculate profile one by one I don't have issues most of the time, only sometimes in px where it overheats again. Not due to manual failure, tested fans pump etc. already and swapped thermal paste. Any clue what I could be missing?

Timo H

are you talking about the OB test?

Yuri Bubliy

LLC 4

Yuri Bubliy

Part 2 tomorrow

Yuri Bubliy

thx. are you missing a clip at the end?

S. D. G.

Followed instructions to a T, as closely as possible. I fail during test #3 of diagnostics every single time. 5800x stock, CPU LLC set to level 3 on Asus TUF x570 Plus. Followed the rest of the requirements and steps, cleared config upon launch. Using RC5 v18 on latest version of windows with all updates.

Mark Emmanuel

cliffhanger at the end of the video! I suppose that will be in part 2 :) Great info.

Kryptonic