Quarantine Mini - Schoen- CRAP!
Added 2020-05-02 21:45:47 +0000 UTCMike refuses to take his medicine, aka, 12-tone music.
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I’d like to know Mike’s opinion of Hindemith? None of his pieces are in any particular key but they can still carry a tune to an extent. I love his English horn sonata
Mallory Bacon
2025-07-31 02:22:27 +0000 UTCRe: The metaphorical caustic paste rubbed on your leg that removes the skin, there’s a real thing called bloodroot that is a lot like that, and there’s a group that believes it only reacts to cancer and say the pain means it’s working and go on to disfigure themselves to get rid of skin tags and freckles.
Mallory Bacon
2025-07-31 01:53:09 +0000 UTCThis music truly is awful. Couldn't agree more
DukeTunis
2022-11-12 20:27:01 +0000 UTCOh, wow, I just finished "Ulysses" and...concur.
Moviegique
2020-12-29 01:10:28 +0000 UTCThis is how I feel about James Joyce's "literature"
Emily Brown
2020-05-05 04:43:00 +0000 UTCVerklärte Nacht is gorgeous too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
John G
2020-05-04 17:13:17 +0000 UTCTo make things worse, Schoenberg was actually capable of writing incredibly beautiful music. I suspect that even Mike would agree that Schoenberg’s Opus 1 is a masterpiece of late romantic art song. Later, Schoenberg famously negged his student John Cage by saying “In order to write music, you must have a feeling for harmony." I’m not sure if he thought you needed that feeling in order to disregard it entirely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI23nHeYJ50
Brent Cockerham
2020-05-04 17:04:18 +0000 UTCI can't *believe*, when reaching for an example of another deeply unpleasant activity a human could take part in, that you didn't leap immediately to "reading trash like Shadow Moon".
Balaji S
2020-05-04 00:29:42 +0000 UTCThis was hilarious! I like angry Mike!
Taylor Conner
2020-05-03 21:57:52 +0000 UTCYou have convinced me - 12-tone music is indeed garbage.
Mike Truman
2020-05-03 21:35:57 +0000 UTCSchoenberg did an orchestral arrangement of that Brahms piano concerto. I almost refused to go see it because it was Schoenberg, but it turned out to be enjoyable. It was still Brahms.
Bryan Olive
2020-05-03 00:13:03 +0000 UTCThat said, I totally agree with Mike. It's a fraudulent theory, and represents some kind of brutalist mathematics that supposedly transcends aesthetics. (Arnold was always jealous of Stravinsky; they both lived in L.A. at the same time but people actually LIKED Igor.) AND perhaps worst of all, Schoenberg's music, if you analyze it, doesn't even follow the theory.
Moviegique
2020-05-02 23:17:34 +0000 UTCFor decades both USC and UCLA had Schoenberg buildings. (USC had a falling out with Schoenberg's heirs in the '90s.) I actually stole Arnold's book on composition from the library when I was a student at UCLA because it's very good. And I'm rather fond of this Schoenberg choir piece, though it was written a decade before the theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIlYVjV_Crc
Moviegique
2020-05-02 23:15:45 +0000 UTCWebern was great before he got warped by 12 tone.
372 Pages We'll Never Get Back
2020-05-02 23:06:23 +0000 UTCWhat did Twain say about Wagner? His music is better than it sounds?
Moviegique
2020-05-02 23:06:12 +0000 UTCI studied and taught 12-tone music for a number of years. It is great to analyze, but less so to listen to. If one MUST listen to 12-tone, I find Anton Webern and Alban Berg to be slightly more agreeable.
John G
2020-05-02 22:52:37 +0000 UTC
