The Sopranos 5x07 Reaction

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Eric Viola

Mad men sucks

fionan franklin

the theme of this show was disconnect. Chris's disconnect from his behavior and the Goomars disconnect from hers. I love you two girls you are the best reactors ever!!

robert klein

Also when the woman is singing “happy birthday Mr. President” is another great moment, you can see in Tony’s eyes the exact moment the tinted glasses clear and this person she idealized as classy, interesting and motherly is just quite literally an old whore, making his father just a pig by extension. I think it made him realize his father wasn’t with her because she was this amazing woman and he couldn’t just deal with Livia anymore, but because it was simply in his nature. It could’ve been any other mistress and he could’ve been married to any other woman, it probably wouldn’t have made a difference.

Gaboxxy

Probably the MOST jarring and unexpected use of music in the whole show would be using a fucking Aphex Twin song for the end credits, in the season 3 FINALE of all things, especially after hearing some beautiful emotional music in the final scene. Just makes me appreciate the show even more, it makes you think "how do they come up with that stuff, why a weird-ass Aphex Twin song for the season 3 finale end credits, why?". Final scene alone was weird enough, with jumping from one song to another in a different language, but they didn't leave it at there lol. Love it.

enchantertim

Chris was severed this episode. His outie was supportive and constructive towards J.T, while his innie kicked him in the face. Insane to see Chris trying to console J.T after putting him through that 😂

windyMelon

Dude WTF

Bxb

The final scene at the bing is probably my favourite scene of the whole show. Its like you can see his perception of his father (and by extension his entire life) crumbling in real time while he attempts to rationalise. Plus the Linkin Park song gives the scene a really eerie feeling for me

Jacob Douglas

@Cole the difference is that Skylar did it in a room full of people, which adds to the cringe factor.

Gaboxxy

Imagine paying to be a douchebag.

Gaboxxy

“Forgive others, not because they deserve forgiveness, but because you deserve peace.”

Gaboxxy

Fran. Skyler’s is just cringy, but Fran’s was cringy and scary.

Cole

Both horrible Skyler done it to Ted infront of his employees while it was simply just Tony and Fran… in a room… alone

Ruben Welsh

"Chicken's nice and spicy" - I died at that line. Tony's storyline is good if a bit hard to watch. I love the ending, how he has to keep up the illusion that this woman is classy so the jenga tower of thoughts about his parents and himself won't collapse. The music is great too. I love this show's use of music, especially when it's something a little jarring and unexpected, like using Kid A at the end of an episode in season 4. I love the rest of the season so glad we're past this one, even if it's still good in parts.

Mark M

The takeaway is very different from that Mad Men scene. There's literally a significantly closer version in Breaking Bad.

Veya

Don't think there's as much to say about it. The funerals parallel Tony's rewriting of his parents/Fran's image, as they can be a way to rewrite or at the very least sanitize the image of the deceased. Also reinforces the nihilistic themes of the show and Junior echos Livia's words.

Veya

A big +1 for Mad Men. MAD MEN (2007) (7 seasons). RT 94%. IMDb = 8.7 --Best TV Shows all time = Rolling Stone #7, Hollywood Reporter #1 --56 Emmy nominations, won 16 including for Outstanding Drama Series --Golden Globe 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 winner Best TV Series - Drama

Clay F

I think the key is that forgiveness does not mean not holding people accountable. It's to create peace for yourself by letting go of negative feelings associated with the person. You'll see it a lot in true crime cases. The victim's forgiveness is not for the perpetrator, it's for themselves. It doesn't mean they don't acknowledge what happened. It's that fixating on blame past a certain point tends to just reinforce negative feelings that can result in more pain. Tony has problems with anger and sadness. His pain is negatively affecting everyone. He of all people needs to learn this. I implore people to read the AV club writeup for this particular episode (it has no spoilers). He's unable to actually view his parents as people, human beings with good and bad and his need to reduce them to set simplistic roles stunts any empathy or forgiveness. Them not being alive and are now only memories just makes this easier to do. And is there not a parallel between Tony not letting go of the fact that his mother gave away his dog a very long time ago (which just results in more walls between him and therapy) and only honing in on the few times Tony said cruel things to AJ (also ignoring other positive aspects but that horse is beaten to death at this point) and attributing his eating or w/e else to that. Tony isn't a kid anymore and AJ won't be a kid forever. At a certain point, part of being an adult for these people will be learning how to forgive, which makes it easier to move on.

Veya

Delete this dumb ass

Nicholas

That thumbnail was inevitable

Abacus

I personally find it hilarious that he kept going to funerals to manipulate his house arrest and as a result became depressed cause all he sees is death lmao Idk why but it makes me laugh everytime

Bxb

Andor season 2 is coming soon if you yall are still wanting to watch it

Jesse S

For me, that scene brought back PTSD from the Sopranos version, which was so much cringier

Octavio

Who did it worse - Fran or Skyler?

BND

He was a saint!!

BND

Always with the scenarios...

Gaboxxy

If I had a nickel for every time a highly acclaimed prestige drama series about crime featured an uncomfortable scene of a woman singing Marilyn Monroe's 'Happy Birthday, Mr. President,' I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

IanJ

The title of this episode, "Camelot", comes from the nickname for JFK's administration after he was assassinated. Very quickly after his death, people talked about his time as president as an almost mythic era. JFK's relationship with the Mafia is actually a FASCINATING subject. His father (Joseph P. Kennedy Sr.) wasn't a member of any crime regime, but he had "associations" with organized crime throughout the USA. There's stories that he was involved with bootlegging during Prohibition, but there's no evidence for any of those stories. The rumors about JPK's mob associations are so strong that there's rumors swirling to this day that the Mafia rigged JFK's presidential election in 1960. As the stories go, they expected the son of their old friend Joseph to make things easy for them. But to turn it around, once he was in office JFK's administration was DETERMINED to break organized crime. He appointed his brother Robert F. Kennedy as Attorney General, and together they passed anti-racketeering laws, focused prosecutions on mob leaders, and (most importantly) PUBLICIZED the existence of the American Mafia. For years the government refused to even admit that there was a "national criminal conspiracy" in existence, and the FBI considered them very low on their list of priorities (J. Edgar Hoover in particular thought it was much more important to focus on fighting "communism", which also included pretty much all civil rights activities). The actions were so effective that some people think JFK's assassination was actually a mob hit. It wasn't, plain and simple, but some people still think so. A lot of this story is included in the Martin Scorsese film "The Irishman", which is based on the life of an associate hitman who was tangentially connected to people who supposedly knew the Kennedys. The historical accuracy of the film is questionable (at best), but it's great look at what organized crime wanted to happen in this era.

JBK405

Nah that’s episode 12 of this season

harrison carter

Damn really wanted to listen to your girls discuss Junior in this episode as well

bondbond53

When I first saw this episode I thought I was safe. My ptsd from the Skyler and ted happy birthday scene came right back

Knot

yeah the take away from that scene in comparison to the Sopranos one is different as well imho

bondbond53

zou bisou was iconic!

Sebastian

Man that scene reminds me of a certain Mad Men scene, ahem 'Zou Bizou' *brings up Mad Men again to keep it in the girls minds*

bondbond53

Nah that’s next episode dw

Darrach

Perfect thumbnail lol

Kitchener Leslie

Yeah.. I don’t usually use this word but there is not other word that I can use but cringe for that scene.. lol

Jack SV

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