The Sopranos 3x06 Reaction
Added 2024-11-30 22:02:59 +0000 UTCthe one good thing i got from this episode is that now i cant stop listening to living on a thin line by the kinks..
also a heads up, haikyuu is coming on monday
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While I love the show, episodes like this highlight a problem with modern society. The crew has killed, destroyed lives, maimed people and threatened to castrate the jewish hotel manager (which is played for laughs). But it isn't until they mistreat women that people are appalled by their behavior. While we can all agree that Silvio and Ralphie were especially reprehensible in this episode, why are we only outraged when certain groups are targeted? Why can't we hold the suffering of all people, regardless of race, sex, or orientation, as equally abhorrent?
DustmanNorochj
2024-12-19 06:19:49 +0000 UTCmy favourite song because of this show
Nik
2024-12-07 19:26:57 +0000 UTCmerry christmas
LM Reactions
2024-12-04 18:18:21 +0000 UTC"Living on a thin line" definitely an appropriate song for this episode and how it is working close to sociopaths like these
Saw Sonex
2024-12-03 07:33:58 +0000 UTCYeah, I did say Tony went to "the" bridge at the end of the episode, not that he went to the same one. Tony knows which bridge Makazian jumped from because he told Sil "route one bridge" specifically (but maybe he knows it by name but not what it looks like lol). In any case, I think it doesn't really matter because he drove to the bridge after he had a conversation with the madam about Makazian (and even the idea of therapy/shrinks was mentioned in that conversation) and after he flipped out about the Pussy/Jimmy situation. I think even if one wanted to go with the interpretation that his motivation was more internalized mortality based, the link established between Makazian and Tony was a bit too overt that I think you'd have to really reach that he wasn't thinking about him or sympathized even a little bit. (SPOILERS FUTURE SEASONS) in "The Test Dream" he even comes back as Finn's father as a more respectable figure, so we know he retained some aspect of him in his subconscious. And I did notice that scene in s1e8 with the particular camera work after reading the sopranosautopsy blog on that episode a while back. I like your reading of it here.
Veya
2024-12-03 01:59:52 +0000 UTCThey are LM Reactions !
MichaelChiklisCares
2024-12-02 19:24:25 +0000 UTCSomething which just hit me about this episode is the great insight we get into GEORGIE as well. Much like Bobby, Georgie is often portrayed as a "nice" member of the Bing crew. He's not a Made guy, he works as a bartender and general roustabout as a normal dayjob. He's soft-spoken and often getting pushed around by Tony, and here we see him actually get flailed by Ralphie. In the previous episodes we've never seen him rob anybody, or extort a business, or work as muscle, so we can view him as just another victim of the hardened criminals. Until the end of this episode, where we see that he is extorting bribes and sexual favors from the strippers themselves. And apparently has been doing so all along. He shows that there is no "good" member of this crew. Even the quiet ones are only quiet when confronted by the people above them. Once they're in a position of power, they take just as much advantage as the Made guys do when they think they can get away with it. You can't just dip a toe into the pond, if you're in then you're IN all the way.
JBK405
2024-12-02 19:13:39 +0000 UTCNot disagreeing with anything you said, but fwiw the bridge Tony is standing by at the end of s1e11 is clearly a totally different bridge to the one Vic jumps from. I'm not sure the meaning of that little scene, but for me I think the point of it is more down to the framing used where the barge is pushing into Tony's heart, and the bridge runs through his head. That sounds a bit weird, I know. But the same thing is done in s1e8 when Tony is waiting for Chris by the train line. They frame this shot such that the train is like a bullet striking Tony in the head, and the camera moves to follow the train. I've always thought that it was some hint towards mortality running through the whole show, not sure how to phrase it, like the infrastructure of the modern world is "killing" him, which goes with the theme from the very beginning of "coming in at the end" and how modern America is dissolving the old culture. It's pretty oblique, not sure if that makes any sense, but anyway. The barge pushes into Tony's heart like a knife/sword, while the bridge goes straight through his head like the train line in s1e8. There are other bits like this but can't think off the top of my head. But maybe he just didn't know which bridge Vic jumped from and went to the wrong one.
Abacus
2024-12-02 17:46:18 +0000 UTCYeah, this is a very dark episode, but Ralphie was also swinging a chain around and quoting Gladiator. It feels so heavy because of the way the violence punctuates the other modes of the show.
Mike
2024-12-02 05:25:03 +0000 UTCYes
Jack SV
2024-12-01 17:48:52 +0000 UTCThis episode and the Melfi one are too hard to watch. I always skip them if I'm rewatching the show. I understand the point they're making with this episode (these are disgusting people and should not be glorified).. I don't need to watch it again to get that point... The show continues to have dark themes throughout the rest of the series. Fortunately though, I'd say you're past the worst ones. It doesn't get as bad as either of those two episodes I'd say
windyMelon
2024-12-01 16:05:02 +0000 UTCHe was a user, and in my opinion pretty devoid of empathy.
Marcus Cato
2024-12-01 14:08:02 +0000 UTCWow, I can't believe I never noticed that! It seems so obvious now you've pointed it out. It's also foreshadowed when Tracee tells Tony that she's pregnant and he tells her "you need another kid like you need a hole in the head".
Abacus
2024-12-01 11:55:17 +0000 UTCI love how this was directed. The foreshadowing with the Dinemtia film. the lady with her head open. And all the cuts were perfect.
robert klein
2024-12-01 11:06:17 +0000 UTCFor the record: Irina (Tony's ex-girlfriend) isn't 20, she's 24/25/26 in seasons 1/2/3. When Tony said to Melfi that she's "twenty years younger" he was exaggerating to make a point. This is confirmed when he first shows off to Melfi about her in season one: "I already got a girlfriend. Russian. 24. How old are you?"
Abacus
2024-12-01 09:34:42 +0000 UTCIanJ sharing his notes from last semester. I'm talking primo notes! Another little link is dentistry. Tracee has braces to correct a natural malformation (symbolic for what seems like a naturally malformed life, born/grown in bad circumstances), and even that is done by Sil in such a way as to "juice" her — while we repeatedly hear about Meadow's potential appointment with the dental hygenist for a scheduled cleaning, which Meadow is casually dismissive of. It's not touched on much, but this ep also has subtle use of the Sopranos fav technique of animal symbolism. Tracee is referred to as a "thoroughbred", while Caitlyn happily talks about going away to horse farm as a mental health retreat, where the "horses" are in a safe, natural, healthy environment, rather than cooped up at the Bing.
Abacus
2024-12-01 08:38:18 +0000 UTCNoah hit it and quit it. Typical man just like the others in this episode using a girl for sex then moving on. Somebody tell homeboy that you're only supposed to pump & dump with Webistics.
Abacus
2024-12-01 07:53:43 +0000 UTCFor sure. In fact the more I think about it, University might be my favourite episode of Sopranos. Terrence Winters wrote the best episodes of the show (for me, at least), and even in his weaker ones there are still things memorable enough to discuss about. Tony being the most emotional he's been in therapy for Tracee is also interesting for me. Since the girls already brought it up, her reminding him of Meadow and their strained relationship this season definitely plays a role in it. I will go back to this scene for future episodes.
IanJ
2024-12-01 07:45:03 +0000 UTCOh come on! "Look at Kirk Douglas' fuckin' hair. They didn't have flat tops in ancient Rome!"
ajs
2024-12-01 07:35:45 +0000 UTCOne of the most acclaimed and general consensus funniest episode of the entire show hasn't even happened yet lol.
Veya
2024-12-01 06:16:17 +0000 UTCIt's also a uniquely jittery episode in terms of pacing and structure which the show only does occasionally and it's hard to pull off well but the episode succeeds. The themes and different parallels start stacking throughout the episode and the juxtapositions becomes more and more extreme until it boils into the two drastically different endpoints for Meadow and Tracee. Also a coda of contrast to further blend humanity at the end with Noah coldy breaking up with Meadow and Tony being the most emotional he's been in therapy in some time. Honestly while both are tough watches and powerful, and I think Employee of the Month is more acclaimed overall, I do think this episode was better crafted and far more nuanced. Employee of the month did have that incredible final scene though.
Veya
2024-12-01 06:11:46 +0000 UTC“It stopped being funny.” is the best way to describe this show.
Cole
2024-12-01 05:23:51 +0000 UTCThis is actually one of my favorite Sopranos episode because of how thematically rich it was. It's ultimately about class privilege, the dichotomy between Meadow and Tracee, a young woman on the high end vs. the lower rung of Mafia life. Ralphie even said in this episode "Every advantage, this kid." He's referring to Jackie Jr. but it's also easily as applicable towards Meadow. Some of the observable contrast between Meadow and Tracee in this episode: - Meadow goes through a happy college romance early on, while Tracee's boyfriend Ralphie refuses to kiss her because of, paraphrasing "How many dicks have you sucked tonight, honey?" - Meadow loses her virginity and she enjoys it, while Tracee cries as she sells her body to strangers. - Meadow post-virginity glow and being friendly towards Carmela, while Tracee considers getting an abortion. - Meadow telling her mom that they should go shopping cause she needs to buy shoes and tops (on her mother's expense of course). Carmela says she's waiting for Meadow's laundry to be done. Meadow tells her to let the maid finish it, then holds out her empty glass for Carmela to refill it. Tracee, on the other hand, gets smacked around for missing work. - Meadow was left with a broken heart in a college library by her boyfriend, while Tracee was left with a shattered skull in a ditch outside a strip club by hers. For the cherry on top, the song utilized by this episode lays the theme perfectly. "Living on a thin line/tell me now, what are we supposed to do?" I'm glad Lola acknowledged that song as one of the positives of this episode haha. Another thing this episode shows us is the parallel between Meadow and Tony. They are both approached by a young woman who needed their help, and both doesn't care enough to give them any meaningful assistance. Despite their conflict this season, they are more similar than they thought. Tony even alluded to this in season two, paraphrasing "You're just like me, nothing gets by you"
IanJ
2024-12-01 05:01:37 +0000 UTCI think the fact it comes right after Employee of the Month is genius. In that last episode, Melfi suffers a real life random tragedy.. but justice is not served and thus we feel that Melfi should have told Tony to satisfy ourselves. But then this episode shows up and shows us the reality of that world. Like it makes us question, I know you were hurt by that injustice.. but THESE were the guys you were gonna turn to for help? It really shows you a good idea why the mafia became so powerful and is so glamorized in the first place.. and then hits you with the brutal reality of who they truly are. They became powerful and glamorized because they were the guys willing to do the things we wish we could do to get what we wanted. But they're irredeemable scumbags at the end of the day. If they wouldn't blink twice at committing horrible deeds, what makes you think they wouldn't do it to you to keep you trapped in their debt. To squeeze more business out of you.
Reuben Filimaua
2024-12-01 04:43:19 +0000 UTCUnder "The Rules", Tony has the authority to have Ralphie killed over killing Tracee. Not for the killing itself, but because it was done here and now, which could implicate Tony and everybody else as an accessory. But under those sames rules, Tony doesn't have the authority to BEAT UP Ralphie since he is a Made guy. Kill him, yes, but not manhandle him in front of other Made men. To all the other Made guys standing around watching, Tony may have actually made the bigger error than Ralphie.
JBK405
2024-12-01 04:33:26 +0000 UTCFor what it's worth, I think that this episode is the worst that the show gets, at least for a while, when it comes to specifically graphic and extreme violence against women. At least as I remember it. Of course, there's general violence amongst the mobsters and such, but I don't recall many scenes that are triggering in this specific way after this episode, at least for a while, and I don't remember feeling that they were this hard to watch or worse. I don't know if y'all are reading comments but if so I hope this is somewhat encouraging
a. tree
2024-12-01 04:23:41 +0000 UTCTotally agree
cheech
2024-12-01 03:40:36 +0000 UTCyou guys really are the best reactors. Especially for episodes like this. I don’t know if it’s just the chemistry of your friendship or the pov you both bring but it’s so satisfying to watch. The lingering sense of dread throughout the entire episode. Waiting for the story to go where you hope it won’t but deep down see coming a mile away. The back and forth between Caitlin and Tracee. You guys looking physically ill every time Ralphie is on screen. Lola even at one point says she wants the ep to end already. Before ralphie even does what he does. And by the time we see it it’s so brutal you’re kind of in shock til The Kinks start playing. The credits roll and you come to terms again that you’re watching monsters. It’s a perfect encapsulation of what I believe is David chase’s entire goal for the rest of the show. For the audience to sit and deal with all those feelings, good and bad.
cheech
2024-12-01 03:39:54 +0000 UTCBack when the show was airing the extreme violence against women put a lot of people off it, but it's completely intentional. These are not the good guys you're watching, and David Chase wanted to make it loud and clear, because after the second season aired so many people started idolizing Tony and his men. Season 4-6 are still fairly violent (it's gangster show after all), but not in the same way Season 3 is.
Andrew
2024-12-01 03:31:06 +0000 UTCAnd when I think about it more and more... Ralphie is a sociopath as well. That is to say he is very strategic but also insane. Tony sees him potentially as a threat because he is smart and talented at the money making aspects of mob business. Case in point... he has taken up with Rosalie (the widow) who is close to Carmela and positions him at the other end of the home dinner table with Tony. He "dates" a girl from the bing which seems unusual- I don't think most of the characters actually date them. She seemed to be silently coming up to Tony from the start even when Tony rejects her. Is she trying to get protection from Tony? Had Ralphie been doing things beforehand not mentioned in the sequences? Is it a cry for help? She ends up being nice to Tony and he gets to know her a little bit unlike the other girls at the bing. They never really explain it. Ralphie is a complete monster we know. That is my conspiracy that is doing all this to get close/mess with Tony.
Robert
2024-12-01 03:15:14 +0000 UTCAt least it’s not as dark as the wire or band of brothers.
Cole
2024-12-01 03:11:39 +0000 UTCI never really paid attention to the events right before Tracies death. I always saw it as just a shock episode really, and just looked at it as more brutal imagery and to be edgy on tv the way that sopranos was. Anyways, looking at it from Ralphie's perspective.... obviously he's a complete psycho and even the rest of the crew hate him and the one guy says one day they're gonna find this guy dead. Signaling he's the type of guy to get whacked. He gets away with his antics disguising everything as a "joke". But, logistically something happened where Tony passed him up as captain in the crew for the other guy he kisses on the lips. So, ralphie is known to be intelligent and a "great earner", but being passed over and being the tweaked dude he is, he is just acting out and messing with everyone. So in the final scene before tracie meets her fate in the alley, she tells him to piss off and says, "what man?" in front of all the other guys. Ralphie walks out and does what he does, which appears quite psychotic and everything we initially think. I suspect it was a sort of manuever as well as a message to show the other guys he is very serious and won't be disrespected and possibly to get Tony to lay his hands on him, a "made" man which is against their longstanding code. But anyways, obviously most are disturbed by it and definitely Tony, but perhaps it was more then just a psychotic outburst as it initially seems.
Robert
2024-12-01 03:02:33 +0000 UTCAs I commented on the full reaction, the audience that keeps watching accepts that main characters are unsavory, there will be violence, and that women will be exploited and abused -- after all, it is a horrible business and that is a premise/setting of the series -- one deals with their revulsion so to watch a stellar groundbreaking series. The Sopranos IMDb 9.2, RT 92% (Audience 96%), Metacritic 94% (user 9.3) It may be generational. The older generation, while repulsed, seem more willing to deal with the disagreeable/unpleasant premise, including whether depicted is the cultural norm of husbands having mistresses or sex workers being exploited, etc. In contrast, my daughter who is 28, likely would not deal with the premise. Though, I do understand from my kids and from what I read that there was a surge of popularity of The Sopranos series among younger people, e.g., back during the pandemic.
Clay F
2024-12-01 02:34:53 +0000 UTCYou girls are right that to the extent that any of the guys feel bad about Tracee it is tony more than anyone else, probably because of tracee's similar age to meadow. Though Tony is still bad because he doesn't care about her more than making money or the "reputation" of the mob. Tony's cares as much as he cares about a fleeting thought of thinking and comparing the girl to meadow and that's about it.
Nicholas
2024-12-01 02:17:17 +0000 UTCYou add up all your mortal sins and multiply that number by 50 = Ralph in for it
Ben G
2024-12-01 02:03:48 +0000 UTCI honestly don’t think Ralphie’s that much worse than all the other guys. I could see them all doing the same thing.
Cole
2024-12-01 01:53:06 +0000 UTCI’m sorry to say it’s only gonna get darker from here All the women in this episode are tortured in different ways by men who are using them People are wild for saying Janice is the most hateable character in the show when Ralph exists. He’s literally the devil
space colon
2024-12-01 01:50:59 +0000 UTCnahh
Josip
2024-12-01 01:27:31 +0000 UTCEh, there are definitely stuff in the later seasons that are just as brutal though, maybe not as prolonged. Overall, the volume of violence it isn't that high though, chase just upped the brutality. It feels like a lot this season because there was only one breather episode between this and the rape episode. But I think in general there really isn't that much for a mob show. In fact when the show was airing during some of the middle portions, a subset of fans complained with "less yapping and more wacking" and I personally know people who came from Breaking Bad who complained about how slow the show is.
Veya
2024-12-01 01:23:59 +0000 UTCYep as many people have mentioned the creator of the sopranos, David Chase, was getting disturbed by how audiences were starting to idolize characters of this show. This season and this episode in particular was him basically saying "here, these are the guys you idolize." That's why this season is so dark.
Nicholas
2024-12-01 01:22:42 +0000 UTCThat's why for me nothing else can compare to Sopranos, no one will write characters so purposefully to be hated like David did and him being the first to do it is just another point, people were used to good guys and he ended that.
ashton
2024-12-01 01:06:12 +0000 UTCThis show is actually still relatively unique in terms of this, at least to THIS degree (I mean, I think Succession rivals it somewhat). It's actually very interesting because a lot of people will cry for the gangsters in The Wire, but I think most americans familiar with black-communities, at least the sub-culture shown on the show, actually know how poorly woman are treated there as well but because it's not shown or focused on (understandable because the show is focused on different themes and less on the personal lives), the empathy is easier. This show is more confrontational about how much you're really supposed to root for these people even though a lot of the systemic/environmental issues are still present and informs the character's decisions and natures. We even see mentioned in this episode Ralphie had to drop out of school to take care of his family. And the dismissal of "well these guys are adults" doesn't hold a lot of weight when these guys don't have control over how they develop into adults from their childhoods in the first place. It's just more comfortable for people to dismiss them once they're older even though it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
Veya
2024-12-01 00:58:21 +0000 UTCAlso, Tony's empathy is pretty well established at this point. It's just that his empathy on this show follows a more real life flow. It doesn't develop into a sequential arc. People regularly preach about caring about social issues like the environment or where their stuff comes from but don't change their habits or do the bare minimum. Sometimes it sticks. Sometimes it doesn't. Life also gets in the way and they don't think about it 24/7. Tony's diminished empathy and parenting and how his mafia lifestyle should also be taken into consideration as to why his empathy flows the way it does, but he absolutely feels them. Regarding the episode with the detective, it did end with Tony going to the bridge at the end of the episode. The show doesn't come out and directly say it, but I think there's an implication there that he did feel something or why else would he make the drive to the bridge. It's also not something that would realistically pop up in his therapy at the time nor would it be something he mentions to his associates. It's very low-key.
Veya
2024-12-01 00:46:31 +0000 UTCYeah all the best Shakespeare characters are awful human beings, appreciate a story about a three dimensional characters
space colon
2024-12-01 00:44:03 +0000 UTCI really forgot how dark this season was...
Figgerson
2024-12-01 00:41:00 +0000 UTCAlso .. Christmas is around the corner and I’m just suggesting this, but.. a good Christmas present for us would be a reaction to the movie The Godfather.. just putting that out there ☻
Jack SV
2024-12-01 00:40:45 +0000 UTCThis episode was a spiritual successor to "College" as a duo Tony/Meadow episode. It continues the theme of last episode of the limitations of empathy and it's dense with parallels and foils layering the idea with more variables and shading. - Tracee and Meadow is the main overt parallel which the specifics were already mentioned in the discussion. Ultimately the show still knows they are pretty different, the final scene with Meadow underscores this. - Tony and Meadow have the main thematic thrust in terms of exploring the limitation of their empathy and how difficult it is to navigate situations that don't have a clear answer. As mentioned Tony could have been a bit more warm with Tracey when she came to him mid episode and she immediately went back to Ralphie afterwards. On the other hand, he isn't exactly wrong that they have a more employer/employee situation and he did still try to give her advice even if he didn't put too much effort into it. And it's clear he didn't see to what extent that Ralphie would have gone to. Meadow and Caitlin are somewhat similar. Meadow tries to do as much as she could within pretty normal social parameters for college kids. She told Caitlin she needs to speak to someone, but she can't exactly force her. She tried to take her out and tried to combat Noah's growing apathy but there isn't really an easy solution presented. She can try to be warmer overall, but I don't think most would blame a college kid without that emotional maturity and it seemed like a very realistic way someone of privilege would react. Melfi's moral choice in the rape episode and her role as someone on this show who can actually help people is just emphasized with these plot-lines. - Tracee and Caitlin parallel is pretty clear. They both are the people that need help but surrounded by people who either don't care or aren't equipped to really help even if they wanted. - Noah and Tony even parallel. Meadow describes him as "nice in one moment and a different person in another". Remind you of anyone, Meadow? Tony and Noah even breakup with their girlfriends in a pretty cold manner. It's such an irony that Tony dislikes him on the basis of race given how similar they are regardless of how different their station in life is. They both have diminished empathy and make the easy choices over the right ones. Noah gets one bad grade, becomes petty and cuts both Caitlin AND Meadow out of his life. Tony feels for the cop last episode, one argument with Meadow, and then his pettiness takes over and screws the cop over. Terrible people all around.
Veya
2024-12-01 00:33:01 +0000 UTCWhat hurts me about Tracee the most is that, beyond the glaring misogyny, on an individual person/human level, nobody cared about her. She was only treated as a piece of meat/object. It looked like she was lonely (I mean she spent her free time with Ralphie for fucks sake). Besides her being treated horribly and getting slapped around, Tony also acted kinda cold towards her when she was alive. I mean I understand, it's good that he kept a healthy distance from her and didn't get in a relationship with her, that's good. But it's just, she didn't get any love or care from anybody. And then she died in a horrific way at a very young age. And... that's it. It feels like she didn't really have a chance. That was her life. Then people moved on with their lives (including that scumbag who killed her). As if she didn't really exist you know (somebody else in this comment section mentioned that silvio said "cover 'that' up" regarding Tracee's dead body, which adds to my point). That's somehow more brutal to me than the violence itself. This is one of the reasons why I love this show. Yes there's a lot of violence in the show but the real brutality of it is on a deeper level. Btw the actor who plays Ralphie is Joe Pantoliano, he's terrific. He actually won an Emmy for this role :D He was also in some amazing movies like The Matrix and Memento.
enchantertim
2024-12-01 00:30:47 +0000 UTCIt's kind of unbelievable that people hated the more normal characters in the show and totally got attached to the gangsters. After six seasons, the most understandable thing for me is the love for Tony. James Gandolfini's brilliant performance and his charismatic manner were essential for that, but for the rest, David really did everything he could to make people dislike them.
ashton
2024-12-01 00:29:54 +0000 UTCwell not Ralphie, talking about the main characters. The ones we've been with since the start.
BNJ
2024-12-01 00:27:22 +0000 UTCI have seen the entire show and I have never had any sympathy for Ralphie after this episode.
Damien Fenton
2024-12-01 00:25:00 +0000 UTCEveryone hates these characters now, but I guarantee by next season they're going to be back to rooting for them and feeling sympathetic for some of them. The show is so well written that it completely fucks with you that way.
BNJ
2024-12-01 00:21:27 +0000 UTCIdk.. we always knew these characters were always despicable and horrible human beings so for me it wasn’t a surprise once we get these kind of episodes. I get that you girls were fond some of these characters because they are funny or sometimes they might do some good but at the end of the day don’t get it twisted..they are in the mafia, I don’t expect any of them to be saints. Now I do understand that the tone of the show might be a bit darker but than the previous seasons but I do feel the core of the show is still there.
Jack SV
2024-12-01 00:18:34 +0000 UTCThe way this episode follows three young women (Meadow, Traccee, Caitlin) from vastly different circumstances and the relative hardships that they have to face based on those circumstances is incredibly well done in my opinion, from Meadow getting dumped, Caitlin having a nervous breakdown, and Tracee getting brutally murdered. This episode and others like it do not hold back and, even though they are very difficult to get through, are a big reason as to why this is my favorite show.
Kevin Frey
2024-12-01 00:12:02 +0000 UTCI am sure many comments have said, but David Chase hated the blood lust of his audience, so he wanted to show their true evil. I would like to add the rest of the season is way more up your alley, you have gotten through the most difficult of the eps.
Mitchell
2024-12-01 00:04:43 +0000 UTChe was a douche from the start
BNJ
2024-12-01 00:03:52 +0000 UTCI love when they watch things that make them uncomfortable. It's good to feel that way sometimes, especially when it comes to situations that happen in real life. Also, it's important to remember that these are not good people, I think it's easy to forget that sometimes.
BNJ
2024-11-30 23:57:30 +0000 UTCMeadow choosing Columbia was purely a narrative convenience thing. If David Chase wanted Meadow to continue interacting with her parents, she needed to be close to NJ, otherwise they'd have to justify her taking regular flights. It just wouldn't have made sense.
Damien Fenton
2024-11-30 23:45:07 +0000 UTCThis episode and Employee of the Month are definitely the most unpleasant of the entire show for me. By a long shot. As others have pointed out, David Chase was getting fed up with people cheering for these characters.
Marcus Cato
2024-11-30 23:36:32 +0000 UTCthere's some episodes that are equally upsetting to me but more in a character focused way, as opposed to how stomach churningly brutal this and EotM are
castration_rite
2024-11-30 23:26:29 +0000 UTCEven after Ralphie killed Tracee. Silvio: Get a rug and cover that up Chrissy. He couldn't even acknowledge her as a human being, but as a "that".
Johnny_Raincloud
2024-11-30 23:13:29 +0000 UTCIt's clear that they had a point to prove with this episode. Coming right after Employee of the Month too. It feels like smashing into a brick wall. I respect it but it is a hard turn compared to the earlier episodes. I think with Meadow's friend, the connection to Tracee might be that nobody cares enough to help either of them.
Mark M
2024-11-30 23:12:52 +0000 UTCLol he was such a weirdo.
Johnny_Raincloud
2024-11-30 23:11:35 +0000 UTCThe therapy scene after Tracy’s death is one of my favorite of the whole series, because it shows exactly how Tony’s lifestyle sabotages his therapy. He can’t go into detail about Tracy’s death with Melfi because of her obligations, and he can’t even say it was a young woman because Carmela would think he slept with her, and she would have reason for that due to his past actions. So he just has to lie and keep his thoughts and emotions to himself, which is the antithesis of what therapy is supposed to be.
Thomas De Peña
2024-11-30 23:04:01 +0000 UTCI completely agree, David gave the first two calmer seasons, with funny gangsters and without preparing the audience for what was to come and then dropped season 3 like a bomb in the viewers' laps, it's the season that started the path of what made Sopranos what it is... brutal.
ashton
2024-11-30 23:02:08 +0000 UTCIt's regarding their comment about haikyu dropping on Monday instead of tmr. Was just a joke
T T T
2024-11-30 23:00:09 +0000 UTCWhat you mean? Have they decided to drop the show? I haven't opened the vid yet but from the comments I'm kind of worried..
Reuben Filimaua
2024-11-30 22:55:30 +0000 UTCone of my favourite episodes for how well it delivers on David Chase's desire to stop audiences identifying with the gangsters. the cut from Ralphie and Silvio being cruel to Tracee to them laughing at dinner with their wives is brilliant. there's definitely other upsetting episodes, but in my opinion this and Employee of the Month are the most viscerally horrible i'll also admit i find Paulie's "that too" kinda hilarious albeit in the most grim way
castration_rite
2024-11-30 22:52:08 +0000 UTCI just find fascinating (in a very sad way, of course) the juxtaposition of the life of Meadow and Tracee. What a cynical show.
Matías F. Aros
2024-11-30 22:47:08 +0000 UTCThis episode introduced me to ‘Living on a Thin Line’ as well, it’s my favourite Kinks song now
Darrach
2024-11-30 22:38:43 +0000 UTCI think David's intention was never to make a show where people would love the characters (and even so, Tony Soprano is perhaps the most loved and idolized on TV, even though he's a trashy person). The mafia violence getting worse and worse with each season was very intentional and it's one of the things David has already said about how HBO gave him total freedom to express this. Chase must have thought "I'm going to make the most horrible characters and I'm going to deliver the best writing that television has ever seen." A genius.
ashton
2024-11-30 22:26:58 +0000 UTCSoapranos
Dale Tucker
2024-11-30 22:15:18 +0000 UTCThe Sopranos lost a lot of viewers after Melfis rape, the golf club attack and now Ralphie beating a pregnant woman to death. David Chase was getting annoyed with the fans who thought these guys were happy go lucky gangsters with funny one liners, so he decided to put the fans in their place. Many couldn't handle it back in the early aughts.
Johnny_Raincloud
2024-11-30 22:14:51 +0000 UTCyou know who had a shitty arc? noah
snaps
2024-11-30 22:11:32 +0000 UTCAlmost every male character in this show is a scumbag. But there is something about Ralphie that makes him the absolute worst, even worse than other psychos like Richie. After this episode, I utterly despised him and was hoping for his comeuppance.
Damien Fenton
2024-11-30 22:11:08 +0000 UTCThere they are!!! He, he, he🤟
Duh Istoka
2024-11-30 22:10:09 +0000 UTCTop 5 needle drop in the whole show
cheech
2024-11-30 22:05:38 +0000 UTCwhat am i supposed to do with my sundays now.
T T T
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