The Legend of Korra 4x11 Reaction

you two know the Firebender in the intro is Avatar Roku right?

rayman

Yeah hence... the job of an assistant. She's not being held captive of coerced. She stays for him but he was too blind to see the good thing he has in front of him.

Lorenzo Baxter

You pay someone who’s specific job it is to rub your feet to rub your feet. You don’t expect a gas station cashier to rub your feet. He treats her like a slave in which she’s expected to do all of his biddings without complaint.

Luis

be carful in Paris its really not the safest place

BOBBY

Thank you so much girls for the heads up!

Rich

Enjoy your trip, we really appreciate your commitment

FFme

Ah makes sense

Harfie

because usually aot is the longest video we film so it takes the longest to edit and export, rn it's because we're out of the country and just got into the apartment, it will be up soon

LM Reactions

Yeah,I’m curious why all other reactions are usually posted usually 2 hours earlier in the day than aot?

Harfie

So excited to watch Lainah eat ice cream 🍨

Waiting for AoT (>•-•<)

Amir Ali

Not really. We can't assume he coerced her into doing that. If she chose to do those things that's on her. We pay people to rub our feet. Thats kinda weird in and of itself. As I said, he treats her like a Swiss army knife assistant. But she was attracted to his brilliance, so she must've been okay with it until now. Thats not disrespect.

Lorenzo Baxter

You know what's actually funny to me? My first time watching Korra, I reacted almost exactly how Lola did with Varick and Zhu Li - I did not think the two would really make a good couple. But after watching it a second time with you both, I must say I have changed and now share the same sentiment as Mileena! XD

David G

You don’t have an assistant scrub your feet. That along with many many other tasks went far beyond what you would ask an assistant to do. So yes, Varrick was disrespectful to her and treated her sub-humanly.

Luis

This debate probably just comes down to a matter of perspective. Since we're both just interpreting things, we may be describing the same thing from different angles, and so little details are perceived differently from our points of view. Which is why I said it's easier to just agree to disagree.

ODIS

Firstly cats are godly so something defo wrong with you there. Secondly as I said, everyone experiences love in a different way, but love is still love. It's the same thing all filtered through us, giving the illusion that it comes out differently.

Lorenzo Baxter

Hmm. "Love is love." I dunno man. I don't love my cat like I love my mom.

ODIS

No clue pal 🤣

Lorenzo Baxter

As I said, people love differently. If Love=Profound for you, then you're just wrong. She does love Bataar, but again.... Pri 👏 ori👏 ties👏 in her eyes in that moment, taking down her enemies and uniting her land was more important than her love for Bataar. It's doesn't magically mean she doesn't love him. That's all I'm arguing for. That talk sounds like it comes from the people who would do anything for love or from people who think love means you'll do anything for your partner, but that shit gets wack. Love is great, but it can't be limitless. At least you can't be willing to do limitless things for love. Otherwise you get unstable, and the relationship becomes poisoned.

Lorenzo Baxter

Well, yeah exactly. That's what profound means. It's a word that measures the intensity of sadness in this case. On one extreme, it's "the kind of sadness one feels for the loss of a loved one." On the other, it's "the kind of sadness one feels for the loss of an important file on a hard drive." Both cases are sad, no doubt about it. The intensity though... debatable. I'm sure Bataar was more significant than a file to her lol, but ultimately, my views align with LM's in this matter. But like I said from the beginning, feel free to agree to disagree. It's all good.

ODIS

Wrong again feel free to re read. You are the one who is mistaken. I never argued that it was profound sadness. Simply that she was sadder than Lola and Mileena seemed to think. Don't stuff words in my mouth to twist my argument to your side. That's weak. Life isn't a chess game. We are talking about love here, not the significance of Gamora, a "Queen" compared to Bataar as a "Pawn". Love isn't weighed. Love is love. Therefore it's a fair comparison. And no. Its not like Nazis at all. I don't feel like explaining the whole of the comic so go read it. It's free on youtube. But that point stands. There's no rules to a conversation. If you can use a measly episode title then I can use CANON comics. Doesnt matter if they wrote it I'm the future. They planned on a Kuvira episode during the show anyways, most likely leading to a redemption arc. I garuntee you these things were paved before we saw the content. These writers aren't shmucks. They know how to write cohesively and realisticly, when they aren't bombarded by studio interference.

Lorenzo Baxter

Hmm. Seems the reply I made to you disappeared... Lol don't compare Thanos' sadness to Kuvira's. Thanos actually looked like he lost something significant, and his sadness was much better depicter. It didn't look like Gamora was just a pawn to him. Also, applying love to Kuvira retroactively after her redemption post her humiliation is like applying compassion retroactively to a Nazi soldier who killed a bunch of Jews 50 years after he recognized that what he did was wrong and realized Jews are people just like him. (Not a strong argument, but worth mentioning imo). Using the comic books as a tool to prop up your arguments is debatable. They didn't exist at the time of this episode's airing. And since it's fiction as you say, the writers can write anything they want. They could have written that Kuvira was just brainwashed during harmonic convergence to convince us she's actually good and kind. So... meh, in my opinion. I think some of your points are compelling and are up for debate though. So, I can at least see where you're coming from. But the main thing is that you didn't actually counter what I said. We WEREN'T arguing whether she was sad or not. Clearly she was. After all, she furrowed her eyebrows loll. We were arguing on your opinion of whether her sadness was as profound as you claim it to be, when I said that she looked as sad as someone who steps on a Lego, or crashes their computer. THIS is the point of our disagreement. But yours is an opinion just like mine in this case. We're both just interpreting her facial expressions.

ODIS

I never used the word profound. You did. I just am saying she is sadder than Lola and Mileena seem to think. Very simple.

Lorenzo Baxter

Jesus how have you not read the comics. Well SPOILER: the comics take place after Korra. They do a redemption arc for Kuvira, in which she sees Bataar again. There's love there. Point proven. Not enough? I never said the eyebrows thing was "affection" it was a sign of sadness. Facial expressions and body language cannot lie. Do some research on the Limbic System. It can't fake things if someone is under stress. It's sadness, ergo, people usually don't feel sad about losing someone unless they felt something towards them. Not enough? The episode title doesn't disprove my points. It's like you're saying that sacrificing someone you claim to love means you don't actually love them. Not how it works. Yes in our world it's not a good sign. But in a work of FICTION, it's different. Ready for an example? Thanos sacrificing Gamora. People try to argue he didn't love her, but he did, yet he killed her. It wouldn't have worked other wise. You cant fool a fucking infinity stone.

Lorenzo Baxter

Lol, I'll take that as a "Yes, I'd like you to please copy paste your previous replies." So, here's the last one you never actually argued against: "What's ironic is that you're doing the exact same thing you accused me of doing. I said that my eyebrows also furrow when my PC crashes. You accused me of defining her level of sadness as lackluster, and said that people don't all react the same way. But you're doing the same thing. For some reason, you think that her eyebrows trembling is a sign of some deep affection? And this isn't an opinion to you? I agreed that she didn't enjoy it, but if all your clues of her love are based on her facial expressions, then yours are just as much opinions as you say mine are. The only thing that's NOT an opinion is the title of the episode. And that title, does not support your claim of some love for Bataar. Only appreciation maybe. He played his part in her mind. As a pawn does. As for the comics, even if they started out something more genuine does not in anyway invalidate the state of their present relationship. She considers herself a queen, and him a pawn." (Paraphrased the last paragraph)

ODIS

OK please try to disprove actual facts that I've stated about the show, and stuff in comics that I won't spoil, all defending the point that Kuvira does care about Bataar. Think real hard cause you might make a fool of yourself if you try to dispute something that we both just watched with the girls.

Lorenzo Baxter

Sigh. All the reasons are in my previous replies. So, please refer to them. They're at your disposal. Unless you prefer that I copy/paste them to give you the illusion that this discussion is on-going? Let me know.

ODIS

Which means "I'm not going to tell you why I'm right, I'm just gonna say it, and not try to prove it" that's a weak argument, which goes to show I'm right here.

Lorenzo Baxter

Like I said, I'd just be repeating myself.

ODIS

Not sure what you're spewing anymore, since when are there rules to conversation? Anyways nice disguised exit. thanks for conceding. Your points weren't really going anywhere

Lorenzo Baxter

Do comics add something to their story? Maybe it started out as more meaningful and she did have genuine feelings for him in the beginning. We're not talking about where they were. We're talking about where they've arrived... it's nothing new as far as relationships go. A majority of them dwindle or fizzle out completely. Anyway, nice chat. But I don't think I really have any more to add. I'll just be repeating myself probably lol.

ODIS

What's ironic is that you're doing the exact same thing you accused me of doing. I said that my eyebrows also furrow when my PC crashes. You accused me of defining her level of sadness as lackluster, and said that people don't all react the same way. But you're doing the same thing. For some reason, you think that her eyebrows trembling is a sign of some deep affection? And this isn't an opinion to you? I agreed that she didn't enjoy it, but if all your clues of her love are based on her facial expressions, then yours are just as much opinions as you say mine are. The only thing that's NOT an opinion is the title of the episode. And that title, does not support your claim of some love for Bataar. Only appreciation maybe. He played his part in her mind. As a pawn does.

ODIS

My argument is that Kuvira does love Bataar. Youre trying to half agree, half disagree with me. The fact is, there were multiple shots of Kuvira with her face quivering, something a persons face does when they are preparing to cry. Then later her eyebrows furrowed upwards, showing sadness. She didn't want to try and kill Bataar, but in her eyes she had to. Those are facts. Read the comics too. Concrete facts can't be disproven by you simply saying "oh you're just wrong". Facts vs opinions buddy.

Lorenzo Baxter

You said she loves him as a real partner would, then you say that "anyone with a brain stem can understand that he's just a pawn"? No one said she enjoyed firing the weapon. No one even said she was neutral about it. Players hate losing even a pawn. But at the end of the day, it's just a pawn. As far as your points go, they are invalid. Because she never saw him as an equal (as couples do), as demonstrated by her actions, and as per the title of the episode.

ODIS

Yes anyone with a brain stem can understand that but... still doesn't make my points invalid 🤷‍♂️ suck on that

Lorenzo Baxter

Dude. The episode is LITERALLY called Kuvira's Gambit. In chess, Queen's Gambit is an opening move which requires you to sacrifice a pawn to let your queen dominate the board and control the center. So if we draw parallels to this with the title of the episode, then it is literally saying that Bataar Jr. is just a pawn for Kuvira in the big game that she is playing.

ODIS

"Why would you ever go dark?" *Glances back at the murder-suicide at the end of season 1*...

ZedW

The creators didn't show her that sad, and there wasn't much remorse. A slight eye twitch. And afterwards she just sighed, and moved on. She didn't even hesitate to fire that thing. Also, you're making it sound like blowing up the building with the Avatar and Bataar in it was her only option. Strength and power were still on her side. She could have chosen not to fire it, and come up with a plan instead. If you're talking about priorities, Bataar seems way down at the bottom. The amount of sadness she displayed for his death is how much I display when my computer crashes when I'm working on something. No normal, empathetic, human in love, immediately decides to just blow their fiancé up when things don't go their way for a minute lol.

ODIS

Everyone makes Avatar theory videos about the mysteries left unanswers in the story and the world building. Lola will be the first to make an hour long theory video about Zhu Li lol

Brandon Wright

Milena giving her Zhu Li x Varrick Ted Talk: 😍🤓✏️📋👩‍💼 Lola in the audience: 🙄🤦

Brandon Wright

Wish you guys disagreed more often. Very entertaining post reaction discussion :P I'm sort of in-between. I don't really ship Varrick and Zhu-Li but they have some cute moments.

Camzeee

And about Varrick and Zhu Li, listen here Lola, if you don't like the ship thats fine 😅 but spending time with someone for such a long time, and knowing as many things about Varrick as Zhu Li does, it's hard not to catch feelings. It's not like he was abusive towards her. Took her for granted absolutely, but never disrespected her or treated her like not human. He treated her like what she was, his assistant while he was busy being eccentric and being a bit greedy. And Stockholm syndrome is definitely not applicable here 🤣

Lorenzo Baxter

Kuvira does love Bataar. She just simply has her priorities straight. Uniting the Earth Empire is the mission and she must complete it. She definitely feels remorse, otherwise the creators wouldn't make the effort to show shots of her being sad, or her face trembling. But there are more important things going on right now in her eyes.

Lorenzo Baxter

Arguing over Varrick is the highlight for me

Isaac

You know who Kuvira really reminds me of? "Blodreina" Octavia from The 100. Both of them have become leaders with good intentions by necessity, they provided much-needed stability through fear and force but then couldn't let it go because they felt they needed to go further. They both have feelings that they hide and suppress (Kuvira does love Bataar, just as Octavia did love Bellamy) and they both lead a war for land they think they're entitled to. I really like how Kuvira coming for Republic City is actually foreshadowed in season 3. Kuvira is, ironically, repeating the exact statement that the Earth Queen has made before: "Republic City is stolen land, it belongs to the Earth Kingdom/Empire"

4Tom4lepus4

uh? what the hell happened now? lately people really are quite rude in the comments, specially in the aot ones

sand_fl

Ok guys I'll delete the comment, really enjoyed the content anyway

sam huggons

Negative Nancy over here lol we are all humans and a spelling error is the first thing you thought would be a good comment lol.

Justin

why are you acting weird like people cant make errors on accident? u should be grateful you even got to see their video man. These girls work too hard for people to call them lazy and its not even funny if you think it is.

Korin

sam huggons