[Teaser] Vanilla Factions Expanded - Insectoids 2 feedback
Added 2024-07-19 08:45:00 +0000 UTCHey folks! I know I owe you more devblogs about Insectoids 2, but we've been very busy beta testing it and applying feedback from the testers. I think Insectoids 2 is the mod that has undergone the most tremendous changes mid-beta thanks to the feedback from the community - and it's great! It's important we nail the economy aspects of the bug hives that the player can build, and it's equally as important to provide players with a lot of unique, engaging content.
In this cheeky teaser I will post nothing more than the feedback and how we have responded to it. During the beta process, I highlight concerns that people have and come up with solutions for them. I think it's a healthy way that ensures players get exactly what they want.
When it comes to 'at what stage is the Insectoids 2 development', it's nearing completion. All major systems are in place, all content is in place, we're wrapping up work and will proceed to release soon, probably within 30 days.
Lets take a look at that promised feedback list:
FEEDBACK FROM BETA 1
Concern: Jelly farms yield too much insect jelly and are too easy to manage and build a lot of.
Planned solution:
It now spawns 10 insect jelly every 45,000 ticks to 65,000 ticks.
It has maintenance and needs to be maintained by worker insectoids.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Insectoids can be farmed for chitin easily by slaughtering them
Planned solution:
Disable slaughter gizmo on insectoids that belong to player-built hives. That gizmo should of course return if they disconnect from the hive and become normal colony animals.
Do the same for ‘Release to the Wild’ gizmo.
Make sure you can’t use slaughter designation on insects that belong to the player-built hive.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Empress is underwhelming when under player control.
Planned solution:
Royal Jelly is produced every day instead of every 2 days.
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Swarmlings are too easy and rarely offer a challenge.
Planned solution:
Swarmling do not attack the target. Instead, they will all flee from threat when made.
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Insects spawn as adults from the player-built hives.
Planned solution:
Insects should spawn as babies when they emerge initially from the hives.
However, when changing the insect type, it should keep their age and not make them babies again. Only initially spawned insectoids should spawn as babies.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: There is little difference between Defenders and Hunters.
Planned solution:
Patch Megaspider Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Hellbeetle Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Macrofly Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Megawasp Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Gigalocust Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Venomite Maturity Age: 0.2 years -> 0.1 years, Juvenile Age: 0.03 years -> 0.015 years
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Creeper produces creep too slowly and too randomly.
Planned solution:
Creep emerges from the middle (from the creeper), similar to moisture pump, instead of randomly on any tile in radius.
New tile becomes creep every 18 hours instead of 48 hours.
Creeper radius increased from 6.9 to 12.9
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Insectoids from hives wonder around anywhere.
Planned solution:
Implement Hive area designator
Implement Clear Hive area
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Tendril moss can’t be harvested.
Planned solution:
Tendril moss can now be harvested when fully grown. It has a harvest gizmo similar to normal farm plants.
Worker insectoids will harvest tendril moss when it’s fully grown.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Bosses are only present during thumper boss fights.
Planned solution:
Bosses can now appear defending Insectoid faction bases.
Depending on what insectoid geneline has been picked for generating defending force, it will now ALWAYS generate:
Either Empress or;
Boss of the chosen geneline.
It will only generate 1 boss. Never more than 1.
Assigned: Taranchuk
FEEDBACK FROM BETA 2
Concern: The sound when summoning a bosswave and the thumper sound are too quiet.
Planned solution:
Increase the volume of the sounds.
Assigned: Xrushha
Concern: The Creeper changes player-built floors too. Should probably only change natural floors.
Planned solution:
Creeper will not turn any player-built floors into creep. It will only select natural floors to be changed into creep.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Empress is slightly too weak still, and doesn’t spawn enough swarmlings to really warrant her being a boss.
Planned solution:
Empress spawns 2~3 swarmlings each time she spawns a swarmling.
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Hive walls also break in chunks when deconstructed.
Planned solution:
Hive walls should not break all adjacent tiles when deconstructed, only when destroyed.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Mod options are a bit lacking and could use more options.
Planned solution:
Add mod options for Jelly farm jelly production amount, Creeper spawn speed, Tendrilmoss spawn speed
Add mod option for base artificial hive insect count, ranging from 1 to 5.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Glowpod spire is overpowered.
Planned solution:
Glowpod spire now has maintenance need similar to Insect hives.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Jelly morpher will eat through all of insect jelly without a way to stop it. It also produces royal jelly too rapidly.
Planned solution:
Add a ‘toggle automatic refuel’ gizmo, similar to campfire, to the Jelly morpher, so that the player can stop refueling it.
Numbers changed. The jelly morpher needs to be fueled with Insect Jelly and consumes 6 insect jelly per day (previously 10). It spawns 1 royal jelly every 19,000 ticks to 30,000 ticks (previously 13,000 to 21,000), so long as there is less than 40 royal jelly in adjacent tiles, and so long as it’s fueled.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Consuming royal jelly to speed up boss gestation in colonists is not communicated well.
Planned solution:
Update Royal Jelly description with:
A golden, shining jelly used by the insect queens to create new spawn. It is smooth, rich, and brings joy to those who consume it. Because of its unique biological composition, it boosts immunity and nourishes anyone who has a taste of it. Addiction to royal jelly can compromise the immunity system of the addict. It is also known to increase the speed of gestating hive leaders in victims.
Assigned: Xrushha
Concern: Bosses are easy to lock in a killbox because they always arrive where the thumper was.
Planned solution:
The boss wave now spawns in a random place on the map. This can be anywhere, including in and out of the home area.
The thumper starts a fuse when it summons a boss and then explodes after 160~600 ticks, destroying the thumper. Explosion is in a 5.9 tile radius.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Weird spelling for ‘Needs to be constructed on the creep’
Planned solution:
Change all instances of ‘Needs to be constructed on the creep’ into ‘Needs to be constructed on creep’. Removing the ‘The’, essentially.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Not a lot of reason to get megawasps and macroflies since gigalocusts are better in every way.
Planned solution:
We’re swapping abilities around. They should be as follows:
Macrofly - Insect Farglide
Megawasp - Insect Glide
Gigalocust - Insect Shortglide
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Little difference between Ironclad and Tankroach.
Planned solution:
Increase Tankroach moveSpeed to 2.65
Decrease Ironclad moveSpeed to 1.45
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: Xanides insectoids never regain their armor.
Planned solution:
They regain the armor upon reaching health again.
Assigned: Sarg
Concern: It’s preferable to just make new hives instead of using the pherocores in any other way.
Planned solution:
Reduced base bandwidth of all hives from 3 to 2.
Decrease the bandwidth gained with Exotic hivetech research from 2 to 1.
Pherocores now increase the bandwidth of the hive by 2.
Applying a pherocore to the hive that still hasn’t spawned all its bugs (some died and are slowly respawning) respawns all the bugs of that hive instantly.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Jelly farms are still too strong.
Planned solution:
Jelly farms cannot be constructed in the radius of 3.9 tiles from another jelly farm. This includes placing blueprints of jelly farms.
Jelly farm maintenance need is double that of the standard maintenance drain of the hives.
Jelly farm now produces 6 insect jelly instead of 10.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Basic hives are subpar and get deleted later because of how bad and useless they are.
Planned solution:
Basic hives have no maintenance need and require no maintenance. They should still affect maintenance need of other hives.
Assigned: Taranchuk
Concern: Empress pawn could be more exciting under player control.
Planned solution:
Empress now acts as a mobile Sorne hive, with a base capacity of 2, just like normal hives.
She gets capacity improved with research, just like normal.
Sorne pherocores CANNOT be used on her to increase the size of the hive.
If she dies, her hive becomes normal animals.
We should test how it works in caravans if she’s taken as an animal. Ideally, all her hive will also join that caravan and travel with her.
Defender insectoids should walk around her and defend her. Hunters should deliver food to her too. She’s essentially a mobile hive.
Assigned: Taranchuk
We have also implemented quite a number of new structures that the player can build using the insects!
I'm excited to show them to you soon, but for now, have a screenshot submitted by the tester!
Comments
AAAA titles would make you pay full price for the alpha, never fix the flaws, and make it so you need cutting edge technology to run the game for more than 30 seconds before your processor overheats.
Lucas Edwards
2024-08-03 20:12:58 +0000 UTCok thank
兒 憨
2024-07-24 08:23:30 +0000 UTCWhat about a AAAA title?
Frank Cotton
2024-07-23 21:27:32 +0000 UTCThis is outstanding attention to detail. AAA titles would just ship with these flaws.
Michael Fazzina
2024-07-23 18:30:53 +0000 UTCYes
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-22 07:56:33 +0000 UTCSince multiplayer isn’t a part of the base game Rimworld, we do not test or provide multiplayer support in our mods.
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-22 07:56:16 +0000 UTCI am a player from Taiwan. I would like to ask if this MOD is compatible with Multiplayer?
兒 憨
2024-07-22 06:07:11 +0000 UTCYou don't owe us anything. Thanks for the amazing work and for the feedback, my best wishes to the whole team
Davide Celli
2024-07-21 12:16:05 +0000 UTCWithin a month.
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-20 15:57:11 +0000 UTCYou have a time line to release would love to play this.
the good fat cat clan
2024-07-20 14:54:26 +0000 UTCSo getting insect meat from them also requires manual slaughter?
Mielga
2024-07-20 11:30:38 +0000 UTCOooh, empress huh we're finally getting a princess upgrade then, was kinda upset that the queens couldn't be tamed so this is great.
John Beate
2024-07-19 19:21:31 +0000 UTCIncredibility professional write up, I wish I could get my staff at work to do the same! You don't really ever OWE us a devblog but I definitely enjoy them. Great variety on feedback. Although I haven't tested, the farm-ability of bugs and how creep works with built floors were concerns from the concepts I had. It's great to see the testers have reported concerns and that there's so much balancing going on. I know it's impossible to truly balance mods in a way that appeases everyone, but Insectoids 2 is basically a fully DLC to me. So I'm glad to see all of those little and big adjustments to make it "make sense" both with itself and the larger game as a whole. Once again amazing work from everyone involved, and thank you for the detailed write up Oskar. (I'm at work avoiding a 'mental break' from CloudStrike breaking everything under the sun today. I'd rather have a solar flare. This interesting read refreshed my brain for now!)
ZamazaCallista
2024-07-19 17:13:08 +0000 UTCY'all have been really busy, this really feels like an thick expansion to what was just a small throw in feature of the original game.
Computica
2024-07-19 13:52:07 +0000 UTCThank you! 🙏🏿
Computica
2024-07-19 13:48:52 +0000 UTCThey are now... at a cost! :))))))))
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-19 13:33:19 +0000 UTCYes
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-19 13:33:09 +0000 UTCThey will deliver their prey to the hive location, however worker bugs can do tasks around the colony, for example mining rocks or harvesting plants! You can control hunter insectoids to attack enemies, while the defender insectoids will attack anyone that comes close to their nest.
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-19 13:24:14 +0000 UTCSure it can, but it's much less convenient for the player. The bugs won't fight back since they belong to the colony, they wouldn't really be a good part of your base defenses if any friendly fire triggered them to attack you.
Oskar Potocki
2024-07-19 13:22:59 +0000 UTCAm I corect in remembering that the bosses weren't going to be controllable by the player before, but that they are now
WarCookie
2024-07-19 13:15:06 +0000 UTCCouldn''t chitin still be farmed by just telling a drafted pawn to attack a friendly insect? Or will the bugs fight back like wild animals?
Scyobi Empire
2024-07-19 12:34:42 +0000 UTCSomeone's been very busy... That image with the massive hive cluster just makes me even more excited. Originally I imagined boss bugs would be grown through a big artificial womb structure similar to mech gestators but having them grow inside people is far more disturbing and interesting. Plus the new insectoid structures seem really intriguing... But how deeply do the bugs interact with the base game systems? Can you designate specific dumping zones for hunter bugs or will they take their prey directly to their parent nest? Can workers haul things to stockpiles?
Spoder
2024-07-19 10:43:58 +0000 UTCFascinating devbog! As I am obviously not part of the testing team, only half of what is written makes sense to me... but what I do understand sounds promising! Am I right in assuming that "the creep" is inspired by StarCraft? Will it be necessary to build structures on it, too? (IIRC, you only mentioned it once in devblog#265) I have a feeling that my current Insector playthrough is a bit premature, as this race seems to make a lot more sense when played alongside the upcoming Insectoids 2 mod. The screenshot is exciting, the caves look so organic! Unfortunately, the resolution is way too low to see any details - which is probably the intention ;) But it does inspire ideas! Are there any plans to add these insectoid caves to the planned "Vanilla Mining Expanded" underworlds? I mean... think of the possibilities! :D
Deggial
2024-07-19 10:07:40 +0000 UTCBeing busy with testing and polishing is great, the best kind of being busy. Can't wait for the release!
Dimitry Minchenkov
2024-07-19 09:03:52 +0000 UTC