Shinee 'Hard' Recording
Added 2023-07-28 11:38:09 +0000 UTCI'M SO GLAD I watched cos they validated a lot of what I felt and said in my reaction which people didn't like and tried to say I didn't know Shinee's Discography LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
They themselves admit they have not done a song with a main rap part before which was one of my reasons for not liking them going that direction with Hard but people took that as me saying they've never rapped before which now i'm thinking about it is kinda true seeing as this is their first proper hip hop song.
Of course other songs have had rap parts DUH but nothing like Hard. Vocals have always been central to the overall production of their songs. Also Taemin saying it needed a hook and it was overly complex as a song, like THANK YOU.
I'm so fucking sick of stans being defensive over what reactors say because they think it's an insult when the artists probably feel similarly themselves. You could tell they didn't love Hard BUT were looking forward to taking on the challenge anyway which I admire them for.
I could go on about this for ages cos I did not watch several Shinee concerts/Listen to several albums just to be questioned about my knowledge of their music all just to defend a song that's nowhere near their best. I'd respect it more if people were like "yeah tbh this song isn't their best, doesn't really sound like them but i'm glad they're back" instead of trying to gaslight people.
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Fyi the hard that they were talking about not liking, that was the original demo version not the version they came out with. In a reality show they talked about how much they fought to change hard and how happy they are with the version they released. The original demo apparently had a completely different chorus melody etc. So when Taemin is saying it needed a hook and it was overly complex as a song, hes not talking about the version they released. You should watch their roadtrip comeback show if you want to see more on it!
A H
2023-08-01 03:55:37 +0000 UTCIf people put forth their opinion on these forums, and ask viewers to comment, maybe manage your expectations. You don’t always appreciate the comments and the comments indicate a lack of appreciation of your reaction. The level of objectivity among fans will vary, but it is surprising a reactor (or anyone) would expect fans in general to not rise to defend when they perceive a slight. Total human nature. There are old and new SHINee fans, some know their whole discography and others don’t. Perhaps limit critique to the song at hand without reference to whether they have done a genre or type of song before. There is a lot of room for interpretation. In this case, it is not surprising that folks mentioned examples of hip hop and rap (for example, Get Down 2009 and Up & Down 2010, among others). As to SHINee themselves saying they haven’t done this type of song before, they have said they don’t remember all of their songs due to the vastness of their discography. A great discussion can be had about the challenge SHINee faces staying contemporary and what that means. It is harder to argue with a plain old, “I don’t like this song.” If the critique gets into whether they have done this type of song before and such, one is open to folks who may know better speaking up. Again, how that is defined, could be open to interpretation even for SHINee. BTS snippets may not be sufficient for someone to say they didn’t love HARD. They chose it as the title track and worked on it to the point of delaying the original release date.
Robin Harris
2023-07-29 21:41:08 +0000 UTCI knoow! I'm gonna film it today I think.
Koko3op
2023-07-29 08:58:52 +0000 UTCNot related to the video but just wanted to let you know there is a behind recording of Super Shy by New Jeans
Trinity Martin
2023-07-28 19:46:20 +0000 UTCIt’s not about top or who is better at the moment. Sm if they wanted to could do better is just that they don’t want to. They see that some fans are so loyal they would listen to and buy anything as long as their fav did it so they use that to put out content that they didn’t invest on too much. So they don’t waste any money on it. Especially with older groups. Also Yg has BP money but the girls get a big % of the money same with jyp artist. Sm takes the most cut like 90% of the artists earnings. So as a company they are up there after HYBE.
Magical Creature
2023-07-28 16:54:00 +0000 UTCI'm not big enough an SM-group fan to have real insight but I guess a drop in song/production quality can be understood from a money/clout perspective, and their ability to attract the best behind-the-scene talent. SM used to be number one but at this point, Hybe comes first by a mile. It can be argued that Kakao Ent is number two, though they don't act as a single entity, the actual money there is huge. YG is awash with Blackpink money, JYP hit the jackpot in Japan, so SM after the LSM debacle might be even slightly behind them?
Mint
2023-07-28 15:52:09 +0000 UTCMy biggest gripe is the narrative ppl were trying to push about how this is something SHINee were forced into to ~sound more 4th gen~ or modern. Thats comes off as such an insult to their stature. They said the original track needed a lot of work and I assume that’s what they listened to in that meeting, cause Taemin said the final outcome ended up sounding loads different - they still chose Hard though even knowing it needed a lot of work, even though SM was pushing for Juice (likely because it was already ready). Idk why when groups release a title track, if ppl don’t like it there has to be some kind of narrative around this is the company’s doing, look at my poor boys they hate the song too just like me! (Disclaimer: no they don’t). Sometimes your fave will release a song and album you don’t like, there’s no need for a victim narrative to justify someone’s personal taste even though that would get you sympathy likes on twitter. These men are in their 30s and are obviously empowered to make their own decisions over their music, lawrd.
rbygee
2023-07-28 15:45:48 +0000 UTCTrue nothing can stay good for ever.
Magical Creature
2023-07-28 14:43:07 +0000 UTCI had the opposite reaction, especially after human theater, encore stages, comeback show, and K909. I'm so glad they chose to fight for the bigger challenge and do something new. I do wonder what SM said to them to make Key say if it fails it fails but at least they did what they wanted and Taemin and Minho agreeing... like what are we not seeing? I agree with people above though, I'm glad I just hang with Korean fans and og stans because all we talked about was their health, interviews, and getting them a freaking encore. Encore stages was worth having to remember all the apps. I'm also so glad they included the part Taemin mentioned to BoA on K909 about Kenzie saying his rapping was too cute. But is it normal to cut around Kenzie when she directs them? They cut around her so much when I wanted to hear staff and not just Shinee replying. Key saying on national tv he finally found his manhood at 33 because of articles saying they became men with Hard killed me. Their safest songs music wise were probably 누나 너무 예뻐 and Hello honestly so it's never surprising to have split opinions on their titles. Sherlock discourse was worse than Hard vs. Juice when it first dropped. Personally my least favorite things this comeback were 1. Onew Hiatus and Key's wrist 2. That pure sugar donut.
Dory G
2023-07-28 13:32:54 +0000 UTCOh don't even apologise, I literally could've carried on writing for ages hahaha. Yeah SM has been downhill since 2019/2020 which is a shame but maybe the natural course of things.
Koko3op
2023-07-28 12:54:32 +0000 UTCOmg no i didn't see that idufgssaiu he's so cute. Also like idols are busy worrying about their money/contracts/art/shares in companies for some that reactors are their LEAST of their worries lol
Koko3op
2023-07-28 12:53:24 +0000 UTCThis Shinee has always balanced the rap with vocals and they have never only done this kinda heavy rap based song. Why are the stans mad.
Magical Creature
2023-07-28 12:29:40 +0000 UTCI don’t get why some fans especially sm stans don’t get that the quality has definitely dropped in the songs specially for older sm groups. Like you can be a fan and love the group and even enjoy the song but it’s dumb to invalidate others opinions just because they are your favs. I used to love sm songs since 2015 the company used to put so much effort into every release and every group. We got back to back awesome title tracks and bangers from suju, tvxq, shinee, reVe, exo, nct and soloists but in these couple of years they have more misses than hits at least in my opinion. I still bop to hard but I’m not going to say it’s the most amazing thing ever. People need to get in to their head that an opinion is just that an opinion everyone on has a right to express theirs specially when they are experts in that field. Like my ass doesn’t know anything technical music stuff so I loved to hear an different perspective compared to mine because those experts hear it differently and can pick apart the sounds and so on. Sorry for this long rant those stans annoy the heck out of me😂🩵🩵🩵
Magical Creature
2023-07-28 12:27:47 +0000 UTCLITERALLY? I even googled "Shinee Rap songs" to see if I forgot something and literally there's nothing that's even CLOSE to Hard because the vocals are ALWAYS at the forefront as well as melody. People wanted to LIE!
Koko3op
2023-07-28 12:25:53 +0000 UTCIt’s insane cuz it sometimes feels like they are deaf or completely missed the point of what you are saying. It’s funny how upset stans get about anything less than praise when idols look for those constructive /hate comments to get feedback. Have you seen that clip of DO being disappointed cuz he couldn’t find any hate comments about himself? Lol
Christine Nguyen
2023-07-28 12:21:27 +0000 UTCI'm feeling validated with you too. The way they tried to strip my shawol card for hating this song, i just-- The excuse that shinee have always done this never made sense to me because even if they had rap parts in the song, they would balance it with vocals from jonghyun and onew so ??? I swear this comeback made me distance myself from the shawol community because it was mad toxic. Imagine attacking ppl for disliking a song and being patronising to reactors that have different opinions. If they do a repackage I hope we get a tt that is more vocal heavy.
Hibz
2023-07-28 12:16:08 +0000 UTCSCREAMING LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. It's actually SO frustrating cos they make you THINK you're insane.
Koko3op
2023-07-28 12:08:45 +0000 UTCThis is why most reactors don’t voice anything that can be perceived even slightly negative even if it’s constructive. I had engenes jump down my throat for saying Given Taken reminded me of old BTS production. They were like No No No but I saw later that Bang PD produced it.
Christine Nguyen
2023-07-28 12:00:50 +0000 UTCAlso on this occasion, I just want to move on from this so I don't require any further explanations or clarifications in the comments of what people were trying to say etc. I said what i said, It's done now! Just took great insult to it as a shawol as you can imagine. Enjoy the reaction! lol
Koko3op
2023-07-28 11:40:26 +0000 UTC
