I think you've hit the nail on the head on it. Presevation's critical - and if they had a private archive of this stuff (for release at the right time), it'd be sweet.
But just because they've got an exemption, probably shouldn't mean they should have blindly uploaded everything.
Plus, I'm a bit meh on the run them in the browser thing (and not just because it seems screwy in Safari). I'd rather have them had the right permission to have a link I can download & set up in my own DOSBox/Boxer environment :)
Rob Caporetto
2015-01-09 21:02:03 +0000 UTC
Same here, it definitely has its charm. Doing it oldschool is sometimes the only true way.
Alyxx the Rat
2015-01-09 19:58:26 +0000 UTC
I'm still quite fond of simply booting up DOSBox and loading every game with every old command I used to use as a kid :)
LGR
2015-01-09 06:33:32 +0000 UTC
Yup, at this point it's really strange.
LGR
2015-01-08 21:48:54 +0000 UTC
I set up DOSBox shortcuts in Steam most of the time or play them through a launcher like 3D Realms Anthology.
Alyxx the Rat
2015-01-08 20:30:58 +0000 UTC
It's going to be axed for giving illegal games to people. They should have included a lot of freeware titles, THEN have gone to each developer/rights holder to get permission instead of just ... uploading cracked games they found.
Seems less like a library and more like a group who's trying to exploit DMCA to give games for free :/.
The Disgruntled Cactus
2015-01-08 20:19:57 +0000 UTC
I would say that libraries are tolerated by publishers and rights holders because of their limited impact but I wouldn't attribute that aspect of the physical copy to the reason why they exist. Lending libraries exist to make works of cultural significance available to anyone regardless of class or status. Being digital challenges this definition of access but it eleminates many barriers as well. Moves like this force a lot of people to have a conversation about digital history. You are right that this site isn't the only one standing up for this, and it also isn't the best) but it has one huge advantage which is that it has been standing up for the underlying issues that are required to pave a way for something better
SNDTST
2015-01-08 07:40:55 +0000 UTC
Yup! Yay!
LGR
2015-01-08 07:04:35 +0000 UTC
...except libraries function because a single copy is taken at a time, and nobody else can access it while that copy is being borrowed. This is 100% different :) Libraries have a law behind them, this does not!
LGR
2015-01-08 07:04:16 +0000 UTC
I beleive it will last and I accept the "Internet Archive is a digital public library" argument. Just because a book is for sale doesn't mean a public library should take it off their shelves :)
SNDTST
2015-01-08 05:26:41 +0000 UTC
Oh, you got your commenting powers back! Hooray! :)
Lindsay Michelle
2015-01-08 05:18:23 +0000 UTC
Hopefully that's all that happens. I just know I've seen tons of ESA-protected "abandonware" get sites taken down for far less over the years. Super curious where this is going.
LGR
2015-01-08 05:13:56 +0000 UTC
Haha, well I appreciate the holding back then :)
LGR
2015-01-08 05:13:17 +0000 UTC
That's the thing -- even THOSE sites don't post the games that are in Archive's collection. They're taken down if they do. And seeing as this is supposedly a more legit source, it's bizarre.
LGR
2015-01-08 05:12:43 +0000 UTC
I thought of you when I heard this news (of course :P) and oddly had the feeling you would not be that impressed especially in the sense of "been there, done that" and the whole legality issue, even though you wouldn't hate the idea completely. Also, I'm not surprised 249034760943705 people decided to message you about this at the same time... good thing I didn't tell you about this, then it would have been 249034760943706 people telling you about it. ;)
Anyways, you summarized your opinion very well in this video and I pretty much agree with you on all counts. :)
Lindsay Michelle
2015-01-08 02:17:56 +0000 UTC
Getting exemptions from parts of the DMCA isn't going to protect them from traditional copyright policing which I imagine is going to hit them hard and fast given how rapidly this move is making the headlines. Granted, the way traditional copyright policing works, all they have to do is take down games they're asked to take down by the rights holders and they're A-OK, so I imagine a certain quantity of games will disappear rather quickly while the rest will stick around indefinitely.