Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reaction 6x17
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My head is so messy right now! This episode completely threw me! What is real and what isn't in the Buffy universe right now?!!! Some solid moments in this one. Willow wanting to kick start things back up with Tara only to feel hurt when she sees her with another girl. Spike laying some honesty down on Buffy saying she's a sucker for misery. Dawn feeling lonely and rejected by the person she loves the most. An institution that could really change the whole vibe of the show! Wild, loved it, next episode pwease!
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"I didn't like that".....lol
chunkylover117
2023-08-17 16:13:09 +0000 UTCMan its been a while since i've seen this episode, and i forgot how good it was. It plays the twists well. Like exactly the way you would expect them to, were this the actuall reality and its a twist ending to a show or somemthing. Only it not being the finaly of the season :p. Its done well, and then the scene at the end puts a nice spin on it still, just to mess with you more. Are we out of it,, or not?. I think the key part in this episode is Buffy confessing to Willow. that hopefully helps her recovery.
Bart Aansorgh
2023-08-03 21:17:01 +0000 UTCI don’t feel like this is a spoiler, but please delete if I’m wrong. The thing about that last moment of the mental institute and the doc being like ‘there’s no reaction *dun dun dun*’ it’s really more for the vibes imho, and the emotional resonance, but I don’t think we were ever meant to actually question the canon reality.
Audra Foxgrove
2023-07-28 10:43:42 +0000 UTCI love this episode. It is so emotional. And unlike some others have commented, I believe it does move the plot along, because it helps Buffy to start dealing with some of her trauma and issues. The ending is definitely ambiguous. I prefer to think that Buffy and Sunnydale are real. I love your theory of the final scene being Buffy fighting to stay in her actual reality because she hasn’t had the antidote yet. That’s the first time I’ve heard that, but it supports the idea that Buffy as the Slayer is real but the asylum is not.
Teresa Schultz
2023-07-22 23:55:38 +0000 UTCEasy one of my favorite. Ambitious endings are the best
Christopher weindel
2023-07-21 23:34:55 +0000 UTCAgree and on top of that... the only reason the episode ends in the hospital is because Buffy still hasn't drank the antidote, so she's still going back and forth from the imaginary and real world. If she had drank the antidote, and still went back to the hospital world, I'd think alternate realities... but she even says at the very end "not until I've had the antidote".
Bisibia
2023-07-21 21:35:45 +0000 UTCI've been absent a bit as I was awaiting my new computer. I commented on an iPad once, but it seemed weird, so I stopped. It's really interesting that within a few days you reacted to both the weirdest/strangest episodes of Grimm and Buffy. Both were bizarre and different, but really enjoyable. They didn't advance the storyline much, but who cares? Oh, and Dom was correct: You are the best reactor. You know how much you helped in my recovery after my accident in 2021 because I mentioned it probably too much in correspondence. Just know that you helped me heal. Thanks platelet, you're the best. Oh, and thanks for the shoutout on Angel 3x14. 🖤
Brian Dworak
2023-07-21 06:24:06 +0000 UTCFor me the answer is they are both real. The demon’s toxin lets Buffy slip through both dimensions. Willow confronted her vampire self in Doppelgängland. Two real Willows. So two real Buffys isn’t so inconceivable.
Bud Haven
2023-07-21 01:28:34 +0000 UTCThat's interesting for sure but it's a lot more simple than all that. Your final paragraph is correct. The ending is simply supposed to leave the possibility open that Buffy really is in an institution and none of what we've seen on the show is real. This would also go well with what Spike (or her subconscious) was saying about her being addicted to misery considering the storylines of the various seasons.
Julian Welton
2023-07-20 23:48:23 +0000 UTC"Is it going to be Dawn that gets through to her?" No, it's much worse than that, it's Joyce. This episode serves as a great vehicle to explore Buffy's mental state, if you don't take everything 100% literally. The thing that stands out to me is Willow saying "it will be nice to see you all better" after she thinks Buffy just took the antidote. But Buffy knows that just taking the antidote is not enough to make her "better". She hasn't been "better" all season. She is so lost. The writers also had a good deal of fun with this highlighting the ridiculous premise of the show. But they also slipped in a few cruel jabs, like Buffy's death being reframed as a momentary awakening. Buffy said to Spike in 6x03 about her death: "...and I was loved..." - because maybe she was with her mom.
rattusprat
2023-07-20 23:30:20 +0000 UTCFirst off congrats on your fitness journey. I'm just getting back to it after an injury myself and looking forward to it. I remember this episode being a little controversial at the time it aired as half the fans enjoyed it from a writing perspective and half didn't like the open ending. I saw this more like Hush and Once More With Feeling. This was their version of a Twilight Zone episode a show where they would have mysterious and strange stories that often ended with a question rather than an answer and allow the audience to come to their own conclusion. My interpretation is that this was Buffy poisoned and working through her trauma finally coming to terms with certain issues and she finally got to say goodbye to her Mum.
Collinson
2023-07-20 22:39:52 +0000 UTCI love this episode. It's both chilling and really well done. I am going to posit an idea I've always loved. I hope it makes sense, but this episode could be playing with something called string theory. According to string theory (and I hope I'm saying this right), for every possible reaction to any situation you could have, there is a universe where you did react that way. To give an example, if we apply string theory to the Buffyverse, there is a reality where where Willow chose Oz instead of Tara, a universe where Faith kills Buffy, where Xander marries Anya, one where Spike isn't a vampire, or where Angel and Buffy live happily ever after, ect. Further to this, think of the Wishverse, not as something Anya created to fulfill Cordelia's wish, but as a reality that already exists. That reality is the one in which Buffy never came to Sunnydale. That's also how vampire Willow crossed over. When Anya looked for her necklace, she opened a door to that universe, allowing Vamp Willow to come through. Also, in Superstar, when Johnathan used magic to make himself a perfect person, he might not have created another reality, but instead brought forth a universe that was already there. Going with this theory, both realities in this episode are real. This is the universe in which, perhaps Buffy never found out she was the slayer, or she actually isn't and someone else is, or vampires are pure fiction, which means the slayer line doesn't exist, ect. The ending scene could be what you said--Buffy didn't take the antidote yet, and so she was seeing that other reality again. But it could also be that the demon caused Buffy to tap into an alternate reality, and we are getting a glimpse of what happened once she isn't slipping into that universe anymore. The ending scene is especially chilling because it could suggest that the Buffy in the other universe went catatonic because of our Buffy's choice. It's a horrible notion, but it's also fascinating. One other thing. There are people in the fandom that make a good point about a plot hole in this episode. If Buffy was in an institution for a couple of weeks as she said, wouldn't Joyce have reacted differently when she found out Buffy was the slayer in season 2 if her daughter had mentioned vampires before the series started? Also, there is an earlier episode where Joyce asks her where she was, and Buffy half jokingly says she was slaying a vampire. Joyce didn't really react to this. This makes Buffy having gone to an institution in this universe feel like a retcon, but I have a few head-cannons for that. One, the show has leaned into the concept of Joyce repressing memories of things that happened in order to help explain why, in another episode, she never mentions or seems to be aware of something that occurred in a previous one. Her reacting to Buffy being the slayer the way she did in season 2 could simply be her having repressed memories of the weeks where Buffy was in the institution. But also consider that, in the finale of season two, Joyce says, "You need help," and Buffy says, "I'm not crazy." Perhaps those lines come from a place where she was hospitalized. The other theory I always think about is this. When Dawn was created by the monks, a lot of memories and events were rewritten in order to fit her into Buffy's life. The whole idea of Buffy having been in an institution could be one of the many things that sprung into being with the creation of Dawn. In the fake memories the monks created, Joyce and Hank could have overreacted, making the choice to have Buffy committed in order to protect Dawn. Of course (and I just have to say this because I'm twisted), the Institution stuff could be real, and everything else is fake. Which means Buffy is not the slayer, the scoobies are her escape from reality, Spike is a "funny farm delusion', her mother and father are together and Joyce is alive, Dawn isn't really there... You're welcome. Anyway, sorry this got so long, but I love the possibilities this episode brings up, and I've always found string theory incredibly fascinating. LOL Great reaction, Dak. See you soon for the next one.
Raven Dark
2023-07-20 22:39:27 +0000 UTCI agree, I think the purpose of this story was to get Buffy to a point where she had to deliberately choose which life she wanted to live in, and even though it’s been pretty much a disaster all season, she chose the reality of being the Slayer. I also found it interesting that she was able to choose to stay in Sunnydale, since it meant saying goodbye to her mother, again. It would have been very tempting for her to stay in that simpler world, where both her parents were there to care for her. The encouragement Joyce gives her in the end of the episode is about being strong, fighting for her life, not giving up, and I think what she takes from it is that even though things have been hard and terrible in her Slayer life, ultimately she is strong enough to keep fighting for that life to get better, to feel connected to those people she loves, again, to not give in to her despair. I feel like this episode is a real turning point in Buffy’s character arc for the season. I watched it when it first aired and found the whole premise of the episode very upsetting, but I do think that by the end the point for the viewer is to understand that Buffy has chosen the life she has, the one we’ve been watching for six seasons. She basically was offered a get out of jail free card to play, the chance to escape her troubles, and she chose to stay and fight, instead. Love it.
Leijette Riopel
2023-07-20 21:44:36 +0000 UTCI love how Buffy has been struggling with depression this entire season and Joyce was the one who helped Buffy toward the finish line and helped her take her biggest step toward overcoming. Riley, Joyce, Tara have all been big helps so far x
Kyle Jordan Ashley Brown
2023-07-20 21:24:39 +0000 UTCIt's not important which reality is actually real, there's no answer to that, it's left open for a reason. The important thing is Buffy chose the Sunnydale reality. One of my favourite episodes, so well written and I love that they ended it that way.
Matt
2023-07-20 19:46:58 +0000 UTCI always thought the point of it ending like that was to make people do exactly what you did, question and theorize.
Crabash
2023-07-20 19:34:58 +0000 UTCThis was always a trippy episode to watch. It was a very outside the box concept for a standalone episode but it worked very well. It really forced Buffy to confront some of the issues she was holding in like how she was having trouble connecting with her friends and family and that she was using Spike sexually just to feel any type of emotion. I liked the funny bit when Spike said “you didn’t tell me it was a Glarghk Guhl Kashmas’nik” and Xander replied “because I can’t say Glarba—“. That makes me laugh every time, it’s not even that funny but it tickles me for some reason lol. Interesting bit of trivia I didn’t know until a couple of years ago that the actor who plays the doctor is Jessica Alba’s father in law.
Gabe Morales
2023-07-20 17:55:39 +0000 UTCI personally like the idea that the demon creates alternate universes and/or transports its victims between them; thus both worlds are real. But despite that, I always find this episode very difficult to watch. Buffy is essentially rendered mentally ill in this, unable to recognise her familiar reality as real, causing her to almost manslaughter her friends and family via diminished responsibility. It's not only a disgusting thing for the Trio to do to her, but it would also be something I'd expect to be incredibly traumatising. It feels like this episode should be called 'Horrifying Again'. Plus for those of us who have spent a long time struggling with a sense of not being 'normal' and thus rejecting ourselves, it feels as though the demon is trying to break down our self esteem and undo our progress to self-acceptance, by its trying to do that to Buffy. So to accept both worlds as real is to accept both sides of yourself, the conventional side that wants a peaceful life, and the non conventional side that wants to be yourself and be happy. Thus you are 'normal again' by the end of the episode. Personally, I don't use the word 'normal' anymore, except in maths. In all other contexts, especially social ones, I prefer 'regular'. A character from an animated show once dismissively said 'put [your dislike of the word normal] in your blog'. That's what I'm doing here now.
Ed Green
2023-07-20 17:46:55 +0000 UTCFor me, Sunnydale is clearly the real world. The hospital was only shown to exist with Buffy there. Sunnydale, was shown to exist with the absence of Buffy. Willow and Tara at the college, there was no Buffy. The Nerd Trio in their basement, there was no Buffy. Every scene with the hospital, Buffy was there. To me this shows the hospital as a creation of Buffy's mind, and Sunnydale as truly in existence.
Shaun Houghton
2023-07-20 17:46:53 +0000 UTC
