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Added 2024-12-23 19:54:44 +0000 UTCThis week we're covering Santa, octogenarians in Congress, another Democratic Party post-mortem about the election, and finally a Politico piece on how the future is Saudi Arabia
Article in The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/red-states-walz-vance/
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Here’s two real stories for you: the Soviet Union and Cuba. Anarchism has always been dead on arrival and hasn’t actually achieved anything except spectacle.
Browning Becherer
2025-01-03 06:43:54 +0000 UTCWrong episode but I need to note that I have been saying “I wouldn’t eat that pussy with Nosferatu’s tongue” in bobby dylan voice for almost a week now and I’m very grateful
Matt
2024-12-29 21:29:32 +0000 UTCThis is true in my experience organizing. The psl types have these generalized ideas of anarchism but don't actually know what they're talking about while most of the anarchists I know have a far better grasp on Marxism compared to the others grasp on anarchism.
bearoftr
2024-12-29 18:17:50 +0000 UTC"Marxist tell better stories than anarchists" is such a brain dead, ahistorical take. Anarchists have been trying to tell stories, in both theory, histories & science fiction, for over a century (see Let Guin, Graeber, Bookchin, Kropotkin, etc). Here's an actually real life anarchist story for you: the Haymarket Affair. One of those stories where there are bombs, a show trial, a scared ruling class and subsequently huge gains made by the labor movement at the time. It might be a story without Luigi's perfectly shaped brows, but it had more political ramifications in America than any other event at the time.
ASL
2024-12-28 21:43:23 +0000 UTCSecond on this
That's Good Broth
2024-12-28 18:47:30 +0000 UTCLooking for an old episode where they talk about the Homer Hickam twitter incidient
Paul Fortuin
2024-12-28 10:47:57 +0000 UTCEverybody talks about Dylan going electric, but the more consequential move was when he went stochastic (fuck the haters more bob dylan pls)
Corey Rogerson
2024-12-27 19:46:19 +0000 UTCTarence, what do you make of The Brutalist trailer?
Matt Barlow
2024-12-27 18:20:35 +0000 UTCAlright boys, I gotta throw down the gauntlet on this one. At the risk of outing myself, I’m an archaeologist (PhD candidate) and an anarchist. I disagree that anarchists don’t have stories to tell, histories and futures alike. I say this because I have many colleagues who are anarchist archaeologists who work with folks across the world to tell these stories. Some of us even put together some “counter myths” a couple years back to fight the prevailing stories we tell about the past, because we agree with y’all that we need new compelling stories and futures to look forward to and work toward. You can find it open access here: https://doi.org/10.1111/aman.13940 Some of my friends also put together another article about how we need to look for archaeological evidence of equality, not just inequality (also open access): https://doi.org/10.1017/s0959774323000483 So I reject the idea that we have nothing to say, y’all should take a look at some of this work if you want something to think on. I’m happy to discuss this stuff more, I’d just be glad that more folks are engaging with it. I think it’s compelling, and far from Aaron’s categorization of anarchist history as a choose your own adventure (although those books are sick and it would be fun to make one of those). Honestly much of the history of archaeology and history *has* been a choose your own adventure, it’s just that it’s been the straight white male colonialists who have been choosing which adventures and histories matter, but of course y’all know that. I’m a longtime fan of the show too of course. I loved this episode, I love the discussions y’all have when all three of you are on and I am one of those weird listeners that also loves when it’s just Tom and Terence doing bits like the Race Hustler. (While I’m out here making demands, we need an update on the Bogus Beggar, that story is an all timer for me.) Anyway I’m sticking around, keep doing your thing, but if you’re interested in more discussions of anarchism and Marxism in archaeology I’m happy to talk with y’all more, shoot me a DM if you like. Be well, take care of yourselves, and I’ll be listening in 2025.
Corey Herrmann
2024-12-27 17:15:55 +0000 UTCFingers crossed for a future crossover between Bob Dylan and leaned-out Antichrist Black Vitamin Santa
voteforjefe
2024-12-27 16:03:06 +0000 UTC“I couldve been tammy fae baker but instead i played for the lakers” sounds like a Riff Raff bar lol
Adam B
2024-12-27 16:03:04 +0000 UTC"my two adult sons stayed the weekend. They're down in the basement smashing bulbs on the floor and making christian rap. I'm not going down there again." "George. George! Go down there and tell them everyone can hear!"
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-27 13:43:04 +0000 UTCBaby Jesus was the original vending machine.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-27 13:29:43 +0000 UTCIt seems pretty clear to me from how the administration ran the last two years, alongside the fact that there is no longer any economic program in their platform, and the willingness of both the apparatchiks and the base to abandon socially progressivise policy both during the campaign and in the post mortem, that the Democrats are signalling they will be trying to outflank the GOP to the right in the near future elections. They've perfectly positioned themselves to identify as both the war and border security party. A neoconservative party to combat MAGA. Left and even center liberals will find themselves politically homeless alongside the Left.
Nick L
2024-12-27 03:24:36 +0000 UTCThis ep was so fucking good.
Jordan Hunnicutt
2024-12-27 02:52:10 +0000 UTCLike lots of workers, at the same time I work full time—researching tumor genomes—so I don’t own/create all of the inputs to my “work” but you know it is a long and variably compelling day. I’m fine with helping fellas disconnect their since of self with soul-crushing employment chit chat (by this I mean the lame “what do you do?” questions) . But I don’t hear much realistic push to say “shit that person works from 6:30 to 10:00 and then cleans and intermittently rests for the 6:30 wake up. I mean shift the details and that describes lots of employed caregivers. I worry that we spend all our time thinking how to reach men shocked by the shortcomings of the employment landscape and that to calm them we affirm the “women’s work” is lesser or a humiliation. Sorry if this is incoherent. My baby made two sweet clones and I live and work under this chaos.
BookMisser
2024-12-26 21:12:49 +0000 UTCIndia has mastered SEO on Google. Sportskeeda and Essentially Sports are good examples of it in sports media. They know how to win in the algorithm better than traditional media.
Jonathan Howard
2024-12-26 20:22:28 +0000 UTCI like how they're even getting specialists to weigh in on his new eyebrows https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14214237/luigi-mangione-experts-reveal-eyebrows-dental-floss-fans-glow-up.html
daniel
2024-12-26 16:23:54 +0000 UTCThe guy on the box of King Vitamin and in the commercial is George Man, a vaudeville actor who died in 1977. https://youtu.be/MPJzMgg2U8o?si=5i38NITS2egVQkii
futureyeet
2024-12-26 06:36:11 +0000 UTC"fallen man mode of production" goes so hard
futureyeet
2024-12-26 06:06:53 +0000 UTCNot to be a pedant but the reason Biden didn't pardon Marcellus Williams is bc Williams was convicted of a state-level offense; the president can only pardon or commute federal sentences. I still think he could've used more leverage than he did (none), but that's at least the "official" reason why. Lovely ep as always gentlemen.
Will Griffin
2024-12-26 01:28:30 +0000 UTCher books are so cool.
Billiam
2024-12-26 01:16:54 +0000 UTCI mean I own my own means of production but that is kinda like owning machine to make me need more and more from society while I can “work” less and less.
BookMisser
2024-12-25 23:29:46 +0000 UTC“Women working in fast-food kitchens or drawing blood did not hold the same narrative weight in the American political imagination as men chipping coal from the earth.” So how does communism or any capitalist alternative deal with childcare, elder care, food service and the enormous unpaid/lowpaid but essential workforce? There’s so much easy discussion of “women’s work” as humiliating or unskilled… mostly don’t read fiction so I’m seriously curious.
BookMisser
2024-12-25 21:37:59 +0000 UTCwasn't Biden's brother involved in these type of scams? just a grifter family
cinchal
2024-12-25 21:22:13 +0000 UTCThe comment about southern workers being unwitting scabs was interesting. I remember jokes from old farmers about farming until is was all gone as the answer to “what would you do if you won the lottery”. But even if people understand the unfairness of the system, the south has deeply weird attitudes after hundreds of years of legal slavery (as far as I’ve seen) . I remember people feeling that unions were kinda like ungrateful to the employers offer of employment. Only anecdotal but I found the previous slavers and the poor-farming sides of my family super weird when they tried to describe our economic relationships to each other. Funny but someone mentioned 50 shades of grey as something all women read all the time. I haven’t read it but my impression is that the romanticized subjugation is kinda like what both sides of my family did. The truth seemed to me to be a supremely unsexy even loathsome, lazy, endlessly greedy system grinding away at as many people as it could.
BookMisser
2024-12-25 19:19:31 +0000 UTCGoogle his name and the nation. It is a good read so far. Not surprised that some people commented before finishing it bc it covers pretty vexing periods in history. I read “ This led heartlanders to vote against their own interests, which in turn had destroyed their communities. “All they have to show for their Republican loyalty,” Frank wrote, “are lower wages, more dangerous jobs, dirtier air, [and] a new overlord class.”” And was like wait… was Gore offering more? I googled gore’s campaign and almost passed out reading the lame truth again. For the love of god. Market based mechanisms funded by a government trust to address climate change; a “lock box” for Medicare that could be pilfered for the national debt; and austerity to fund the boomers retirement.
BookMisser
2024-12-25 18:57:12 +0000 UTCfantastic episode. frankly every ep with all 3 trill boys is a banger.
Karl Childers
2024-12-25 17:14:16 +0000 UTCtom do you hate eric adams or fetterman more?
FamilyGorgeous
2024-12-25 16:53:51 +0000 UTCDude, it’s not that serious; I was just giving them some shit for how they worded their response. I could care less for labels because they’re all essentially meaningless for all the actual good they do, defining yourself as part of any “group”.
William
2024-12-25 15:03:19 +0000 UTCI randomly carried a box of books for Elaine Pagels on campus once. Super nice lady— had a nice chat about religion in Cold War era East Africa and how I probably wasn’t interrogating it enough in my senior thesis at the time.
Ryan Chavez
2024-12-24 23:16:51 +0000 UTCUnnecessarily antagonistic response; right now all leftists (who are doing stuff) are essentially at the same level, doing the same stuff. There's no power to have a power struggle over. Maoists vs anarchists is mutual aid with a red hankie vs mutual aid with a black hankie. It's not like communists in the US have gained power while anarchists are floundering The Trillbillies are cool because they are MLs and/or Maoists and/or anarchists, but they don't dwell on the labels because labels don't prevent prisons or clean up water tables
Andrew Dunn
2024-12-24 23:09:14 +0000 UTCSo what I’m hearing is that communists read Marx first, then try anarchism, and realize they don’t need it, while anarchists are closeted marxists?
William
2024-12-24 20:22:58 +0000 UTCKing Vitamin was the bomb!!
Jennifer
2024-12-24 19:29:11 +0000 UTCI think uncle Rerun deserves a cut of the patreon from all the content he’s provided
Ohforsure
2024-12-24 18:44:30 +0000 UTCOnly a black swan cataclysm is capable of defeating capitalism and the right wing. Posada was right.
Al Harris
2024-12-24 17:40:30 +0000 UTCAaron mentions Ursula K Leguin later in the episode. (Not that you were necessarily talking about fiction narratives when you said "story")
Andrew Dunn
2024-12-24 16:34:46 +0000 UTCIt’s a hard time to feel good about a new year coming, but I hope for you that it shows you again and again that quitting that job was the right thing to do 💫
Eva
2024-12-24 15:44:41 +0000 UTCMy lover and I got a new kitten. We named him "Matey." MARSHMALLOW MATEYS sent us to the moon! hahaha
Michael Harrington
2024-12-24 14:48:59 +0000 UTCTerence is right, libs can't piece the loss together. I work with a libs and she completely lost it over the election and still talks about "irregularies"
Warbs
2024-12-24 14:27:03 +0000 UTCBanger ep young men
holystar64
2024-12-24 13:48:00 +0000 UTCOn that Saudi note, I left my pretty cushy job as a carpenter for a certain pretentious French Canadian circus company over the companies decision to participate in Muhammad bin salmans propaganda campaign to bring western entertainment, couldn’t bring myself to be given slaves instead of local stagehands to put up my dumb sets to cover for the worst people on the fucking planet
Mae Berens
2024-12-24 13:05:18 +0000 UTCI can’t find Terrance’s article. Can you put it in the show notes please?
Marty Shambles
2024-12-24 11:45:35 +0000 UTCFar as I know he was the beneficiary of a pardon of a class of non violent felons who were put on home detention during covid. Real scandal is that he was already working the system to his maximal advantage. Corrupt judges should burn in hell.
Louis Wilkins
2024-12-24 10:18:32 +0000 UTCShelby Foote moonlighting as Santa seems accurate.
Norma Louise
2024-12-24 09:10:24 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/Yr9ckzVK-fs?si=bdIN3mTSmYjxxgVE Matt Christman unashamed of the gospel 🙌 🙏 "The socialist movement, with Marxism as the holy book at its heart, becomes the next phase of a materialized Christianity"
Evan
2024-12-24 08:05:39 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/R82fb6GYqXk?si=N9G7HW52XRN37xD- Building heaven on earth - Matt Christman
Evan
2024-12-24 08:02:48 +0000 UTCI made a youtube channel just to clip Matt Christman when he started to talk about Christianity and shit on his vlog. https://youtu.be/mgoeculHSoI?si=ymsmEsJoMvlMeAPd
Evan
2024-12-24 08:00:57 +0000 UTCI wasn't raised to believe that Santa existed, because, as my mom later told me in my late teens "if you learned we lied about Santa Claus, what were you going to think about God?" Good question, mom. I like how Tom tries to make the point about government jobs having whimsical duties, and uses internet gambling as his example, and then Aaron immediately follows it up with pardoning a turkey, a much better example. (Extra funny because I recently listened to the Gambling Guys episode of Guys where a certain Trillbilly gets sweated by the Secret Service) Yeah, they weren't called oompa loompas because oompa loompa was a funny magic word for a race of mythical creatures, they were called oompa loompas because it's a stereotypical Papua New Guinea style tribal name like "unga bunga tribe". And it wasn't changed when the book was published, in the original book, they are just happy African slaves that work for food and lodging.
Andrew Dunn
2024-12-24 07:17:02 +0000 UTCDemocrats are raspberry Airheads. Even the mystery white is a better pick because it has a good chance of not being raspberry.
Luke T
2024-12-24 06:59:04 +0000 UTCWe were all originally intended to be a black child I think.
Louis Wilkins
2024-12-24 06:54:52 +0000 UTCThe only anarchists I knew were the best cooks I've ever met. I'm sure no one was offended by your comment.
auf die Welle
2024-12-24 06:02:45 +0000 UTCProbably sounds harsh I apologize in advance of anyone reading this. Love the show, have a good rest of the year
Harper
2024-12-24 05:24:35 +0000 UTCCommunists love to read 0 or maybe 1 anarchist book then say anarchism has no story. I'd be disappointed if I hadn't heard the same shit 100 times before. You just don't know the stories. Anyway more Marxists should read more anarchist literature. God knows Anarchists are reading Marxist literature
Harper
2024-12-24 05:23:28 +0000 UTCI know it's probably obvious, but this episode really clarified to me why the democrats--and worldwide liberalism--seems to be failing so fucking hard. Liberals represent the status quo, which is only good for a handful of people, and the majority of the people hate the status quo. They lost to Donald Trump twice! He's the literal embodiment of the thing that most people hate but he at least pretends to be aggrieved by the status quo, which makes him more relatable than the fucking dems. God, I hate them so much.
Richard Cochnar
2024-12-24 02:00:21 +0000 UTCFree space is “dog” on my card
Uso Dayo
2024-12-24 01:59:39 +0000 UTCI lost today because he didn’t mention his mother
Uso Dayo
2024-12-24 01:58:17 +0000 UTCIf my girl wasn’t horny for Luigi I would be heavily concerned
Jackman Ochs
2024-12-24 01:25:30 +0000 UTCWell, obviously Santa is an anagram of Satan. It’s right there in the name
Uso Dayo
2024-12-24 01:14:13 +0000 UTCTarrance’s comment at the end regarding Saudi Arabia is spot on. Material conditions will lead to caste system in the US. It’s easier to explicitly forbid social mobility than provide socialism. Also, in the book Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Charlie himself was originally intended to be a black child
Uso Dayo
2024-12-24 01:01:24 +0000 UTCIf you don't have any core beliefs - ones you can say in public, anyway - it becomes very difficult to "not do unforced errors". If your center of gravity is completely emulated, "the line" you shouldn't cross is similarly synthetic. It becomes a constant intellectual calculation instead of the immediate sense in your gut you get when things are straying way off course of "what you want". Not to be twitter-reductive, but it really is that drill-tweet of nervously gauging the audience how the dial should be moved, instead of "just knowing", and leading by that conviction. Anyway, that's not this party's deal. They absolutely have core beliefs, and those can be found in how they actually work and what they fight against when challenged (usually from inside their own group). Try to implement national healthcare and tamp down on "essentially insider-trading as a congress-person" and you see them roar into action. What they say they "are for" is completely immaterial. I suspect a big reason why people are so fed up with democrats whole thing is that - on top of not actually wanting to do anything good - they also waste your time going "ooooh, ooooh, aaaaah, we really want to but we couldn't, ooooh I knoooow, everything is so terrible!". They arrive to roughly the same conclusion policy-wise as republicans, but the republican party is a lot more upfront and direct about what "they want to do". It's the condescension of a fake-hug vs a look of open disdain. One of these takes a lot more time to decode, and that's very annoying if the underlying animosity is roughly the same anyway.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-24 00:45:38 +0000 UTCI got bingo on my Aaron card- 5 across; “Calcified” “Necrotic” Free space “Not to cut you off, Tarence” “Floating in the ether”
William
2024-12-24 00:25:16 +0000 UTCIf the Demonrats can recover from the Mondale Reagan election then they will recover from this. Sadly.
Andrew Ratcliffe
2024-12-24 00:21:26 +0000 UTCWe love our Aaron don’t we folks?
Chapo has always branded nu metal as right wing
2024-12-24 00:18:51 +0000 UTCHell yeah, Aaron is back. Been missing hearing him.
Richard Cochnar
2024-12-24 00:09:26 +0000 UTCThe degree to which the Dems are just the party of unforced errors overall is genuinely baffling. Historically I’ve been against the “they’re trying to lose” train. But there are times where the number of own-goals is so overwhelming that it becomes difficult to fathom how it could possibly be unintentional lol. But then I hear shit like the post-loss Pod Saves interview and go “oh okay no they are actually just completely deranged” Also yeah I have no faith that Biden had any idea who was on that list or was even cognizant of what he was signing.
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-12-24 00:01:06 +0000 UTCIt's very on-brand, but it's also so "...why? And why this cunt?". It's like they picked his name from The Fishbowl Of Unforced Errors. Or maybe some intern stole his pardon-stamper and it's way too much work to explain to Biden what happened so they just said he did it and it was very important to him or whatever.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 23:48:55 +0000 UTCDuring the upcoming reign of drip king vitaman his praetorian guard will all wear those.
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-12-23 23:45:44 +0000 UTCConsidering he’s been on the wrong side of history for literally his entire career, I think it’s actually supremely on brand for him. I’d be far more shocked if he only pardoned people who deserve it lol
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-12-23 23:44:56 +0000 UTCThanks, Pal!
Trillbilly Worker's Party
2024-12-23 23:32:11 +0000 UTCThings sound pretty dire if they think the path back to power hinges on really nailing down which animal most reminds people of the party. It also sounds like the kind of activity you do to pass the time in a hospice day-room. Like, things are mostly on fire and they're busy being enthralled by one of those toddler-books that have different textures on the pages. "Oooh, this one's just like a cat!".
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 23:12:19 +0000 UTCMaybe the real alien tech is looking blurry
BookMisser
2024-12-23 23:09:09 +0000 UTCIt's King VitaMAN not vitamin,
Sara
2024-12-23 22:42:46 +0000 UTCBiden really ground some dogshit into the carpet on his way out by helping a judge who did the type of crime absolutely nobody would be sympathetic towards. He's a baffling person.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 22:29:21 +0000 UTCKing Vitamin used to have masks you could cut out and wear as a kid and I was obsessed with that shit, good deep cut guys.
Kunopis
2024-12-23 22:04:56 +0000 UTCAliens are on a strict "4k, plunked-down-camera or it didn't happen". It's pretty crazy how things have changed since the 90's when it would be mind-blowing news that any credible government would touch it at all, and now it just triggers this exasperated feeling that they're trying to sneak another rapist on to the Supreme Court while nobody is looking by being annoying with some ufo-bullshit.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 22:01:00 +0000 UTCI asked god to save me and said Tom sent me. Didn’t know it would be that easy but you got one in the bank sir.
Thomb Thumb
2024-12-23 21:54:58 +0000 UTC"It's that time of year when we track Santa! Haha, just kidding; we mostly do entrapment and kill whistleblowers. But we like to have fun too. Not too much though! You'd be surprised how quickly things can become of national interest." //Also, "tidbit" is a very kind way of describing what megan kelly "had" on black santa. "Genuinely embarassing public freakout seldom seen by an adult in a professional setting, and on camera no less" is a lot more accurate. She was so earnest in her reaction too. Like she was a legit moron, and not just in this for the kayfabe.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 21:53:57 +0000 UTCI for one welcome our new King and his thousand year reign of balanced breakfasts.
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-12-23 21:42:51 +0000 UTCI’m the guy who has to track Santa the rest of the year; I don’t even get to have my moment in the sun on the big day
William
2024-12-23 20:21:56 +0000 UTCI’m so disappointed by the alien reveal. So the dubious aliens you’ve been hyping happen to fly just like the drones that have recently become ubiquitous or the planes we know? It feels like you aren’t even trying to give me a distracting spectacle.
BookMisser
2024-12-23 20:17:05 +0000 UTCIt took a crazy-long time for me to realize that "e-crisis" does not, in fact, refer to a phenomenon the way a bunch of stuff got an "e"-prefix when the internet became a thing. Like, ebook or whatever. By crazy-long time I mean I googled it *maybe* this year. After ambiently hearing it used for at least 8 years. When I finally got around to it it cleared up a lot of confusion I've had with this podcast frequently saying things like "...and of course, the whole e-crisis", and I'm like "yes... we ARE on the internet too much. I think."
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-12-23 20:11:58 +0000 UTCYou beautiful boys have a beautiful holiday.
AL
2024-12-23 20:09:52 +0000 UTCI’d just like to say that I choked out a laugh at the gym on the non-premium episode where Tarence sheepishly dropped an e-crisis callback. Ya’ll should include regular eps in the feed so us hogs can snurfle about in the comments.
Richard Cochnar
2024-12-23 19:59:16 +0000 UTC
