Breaking Bad 5x7
Added 2024-06-24 04:00:08 +0000 UTCComments
It's not about "defending" Walt, it's about understanding his motivations and why he does what he does. This is how you appreciate a story. You can disagree with certain characters, but you still genuinely try to understand why they do what they do. Gus is a sociopath, a criminal, and a murderer, but you can still understand his motivations and empathize with him on occasions. When it comes to Walt, some people, including Ariana and Maple, don't want to truly understand his motivations, they want him to fit in a tiny little box they made up for him. The box that says "prideful, stupid, bad guy". The problem is that you can't reduce his character to that. He is much more complex and he encompasses both good and bad (more so bad in the last season). The only reason they got so much criticism for their reactions to this specific show is because they seemed to shut their brains off when it came to understanding ALL of Walter's character. I've never seen it to this extent with any other reactors on the platform. I'm actually afraid that they'll get on another character's case in Better Call Saul. Hopefully I'm wrong and they got better at trying to understand each character in good faith.
Restless Tome
2025-07-18 22:21:19 +0000 UTCI don’t think anybody defends Walt in season 5. There is no defense plausible for him. He is completely gone. He’s been a terrible person (a fantastic and well written character) but once again everybody is. I think the thing is at least in my opinion yall hate Walt so much it just makes it seem like yall don’t enjoy the show sometimes. And im so excited to watch yall BCS reaction. I already know yall absolutely loved it before even watching. It is just so good. Excited to have my first rewatch of it in a while with you ladies!!
Jacob Livingston
2025-05-31 22:57:45 +0000 UTCI think they recognize a pattern of behavior that he shows that completely ick them out. Nothing else matters. And I get it! The way Walter acts when his ego is being threatened is pathetic. They could give his intelligence more credit but it's whatever lol
Pale Ale
2024-07-18 06:52:15 +0000 UTCJesse is the one that said no one can know we were here. Todd just took it literally
Pale Ale
2024-07-18 05:52:32 +0000 UTCI don't think a show would create such acclaim by having an 'annoying', 'stupid' , 'manic', 'unhinged' main character. The audience should very much so be against Walt, especially throughout the latter seasons, but to distill him down to simplistic guy in a manic state is such a naïve perspective on a such complex character. It feels like you're both missing soooo much nuance with him because the second he appears on screen you create a negative interpretation of whatever he is going to say, and then run with it. Again, he's a total POS, but you don't put that kind of money in a storage room by getting lucky and falling upwards. You do it by being a straight up genius.
ND
2024-07-03 04:17:25 +0000 UTCI can't wait for them to watch the next episode (5.8)!!! They're going to love it! Spoiler: Walt dies in the next episode ;) (As if) Seriously, I think they'll like it. Just remember, ladies, those people who watched the series in real time -- not like us who got to binge watch it -- had to wait some god-awful eternity for the next episode. And every episode from here on becomes insane top-tier television!! Episode 5.14 will leave you needing therapy but marveling at the acting, writing, just everything - even baby Holly deserved an Emmy.
Lance Allen
2024-06-29 17:01:18 +0000 UTCDon’t be so butt hurt 🤣
Brandon Williams
2024-06-29 05:53:01 +0000 UTCI really do agree with your hate of Walt. He's a type of person we all know and can't fucking deal with, he's a narcissistic man with all the awful individualistic traits of American and all the patronizing and manipulative behavior of toxic men. You *should* hate him.
Anto
2024-06-28 21:18:58 +0000 UTCWhat is this bullshit. The only reason everything went downfall was because Walt is so narcissistic he can't deal with being controlled for a greater purpose, he's 100% the narcissistic and individualistic type of American.
Anto
2024-06-28 21:13:04 +0000 UTCYeah, he's a narcissist.
Anto
2024-06-28 21:08:36 +0000 UTCThen don't watch it, Eleash, don't watch shit you can't stand.I do like them because they feel the way I felt about that piece of shit for most of BB.
Anto
2024-06-28 21:06:25 +0000 UTCWalt may be a moron lol but somehow he continues to be the last man standing time and time again...
Justin Calhoun
2024-06-28 19:27:00 +0000 UTCI agree, I just find it humorous instead of annoying.
Justskate11
2024-06-26 19:51:04 +0000 UTCWalt is definitely the bad guy, but the dude coughs and they rant for ten minutes.
Demented Avenger
2024-06-26 19:48:01 +0000 UTCseriously. she just needs to look up the definition.
Demented Avenger
2024-06-26 19:46:28 +0000 UTCDon't confuse the people loving Walter white/Heisenberg with loving Bryan Cranston.
Cactus Juice
2024-06-26 00:30:55 +0000 UTCEver since he was 9…couldn’t keep his hand off the editing software? 😂
Tim Martin
2024-06-25 21:38:38 +0000 UTCMable been watching too much true crime with this constant serial killer narrative just bc he kills people😭
Zane
2024-06-25 20:35:08 +0000 UTCI see what your saying, but I watch these to get other people’s genuine reaction to scenes. And if she gets worked up enough to yell about it is endearing. I’ve already watched the show through multiple times, so I’d rather them have an extreme reaction that shows how invested they are in the character’s story. Also, I think she does a decent job holding herself back until the review at the end. It’s all in good fun at the end of the day and their reactions no matter how extreme or mundane is the reason we all pay for this patreon.
Justskate11
2024-06-25 19:53:41 +0000 UTCReally? For me they are very annoying. I understand hating on walt and critique of him but not to the point where Arianna yells throughout almost entire scene making for a bad react
Elesh
2024-06-25 17:13:28 +0000 UTCThat's very true as much as I and many others like Jesse and root for him to finally be free and safe he's also done many wrong things. Ofc he's more empathetic, likes and protects children (when he can), he has conscience, and every single time he done something wrong he spiraled into extreme depression, but unfortunately he did do very evil things.
Elesh
2024-06-25 17:11:36 +0000 UTCFirst, these reactions give me life. I don’t agree with the serial killer line of thought but go off, Maple! Preach! This episode is just another perfect example of Walt purely being motivated by ego but also only ever reacting. He is bad at being a bad guy because there is no forethought. There is no planning until he is forced to react to circumstances. Daddy Gus 4 lyfe. Lmao
Sara Something
2024-06-25 04:22:14 +0000 UTCI live for Arianna's Walter rants. 🤣 So many people don't understand that Walt becomes the bad guy.
Justskate11
2024-06-25 00:59:41 +0000 UTCYou better be ready after this episode. Even though every episode is good after this one its Banger after banger and they just keep getting better. Ozymandias ep 14 is highly regarded as the Greatest 50mins of TV in history
T.wiley
2024-06-24 23:09:42 +0000 UTCGreat analysis on Walt ladies. So many paint him as some sort of antihero which he definitely is not. This show is about vicariously watching the villain of the story operate. He is definitely not worthy of anyones admiration.
Christopher Somers
2024-06-24 22:31:57 +0000 UTCJust a reminder that people do exist who want your thoughts on the story itself and look forward to the discussions. I'm a lot more interested on your thoughts of the events to come in the final stretch than viewers who don't deserve the attention.
BoundTo
2024-06-24 21:53:42 +0000 UTCWalter White wins the worst father award, right next to the other worst fathers in media.
jo and joe
2024-06-24 19:23:37 +0000 UTCWalt isn't a serial killer, nor is he a psychopath. Whatever your feelings about him are, that is an incorrect characterization of his personality.
Andrew
2024-06-24 19:22:56 +0000 UTCIt could be argued that Jesse’s threat to rat on Walt would get both of them killed, so this was also a way of avoiding just killing Jesse instead (which you would have to do). So ultimately all routes do lead to Jesse being a huge problem that requires Walt’s intervention for him to not die. Ultimately, Mike’s personal choices in the matter would’ve absolutely led to Jesse dying. That’s the thing that was “perfect” to him.
Eric Wall
2024-06-24 15:12:08 +0000 UTCI’d say this depends on what you do next… Either way, the real reason he shoots him is just anger, and Mike shutting down his justifications is appropriate because up until now Walt has been able to rationalize his actions to himself. I think this is his first act of violence that even he can’t see the point of. I also love how Cranston plays the moment. Walt looks like he has no idea where it came from.
Eric Wall
2024-06-24 15:06:03 +0000 UTCSerial killers don't have motives. It's in the literal definition. Walt has had a motive for every kill he has made, no matter how senseless they may have been.
Demented Avenger
2024-06-24 13:46:32 +0000 UTCIt's called Breaking Bad for a reason. Walt is not getting better. Everyone in this show, Walt, Mike, Jesse, they're all terrible people in their own right. If you wanna cheer for someone, cheer for Hank. I like Walt, because he comes in as a nobody, learns everything on the spot and in the end plays everyone. He wins as the underdog. You might not like that he wins or how he wins, but he does. That doesn't make him a good person or even likable. It just makes it fun to watch, at least for me :)
Fevo
2024-06-24 09:25:30 +0000 UTCgreat points all around but i laughed at "it's really devestating lol."
Chad Gloria
2024-06-24 09:01:11 +0000 UTCYou think a reaction just happens to be recorded like that? No, he orchestrated it! Slippin' Chad!
Kara
2024-06-24 07:39:34 +0000 UTCEvery major character on this show has redeeming qualities and major character flaws. This show was written beautifully for sure.
Brandon Williams
2024-06-24 06:42:55 +0000 UTCYou’re right to hate him, but at least you can understand why people root for him. The ladies can’t or refuse to see why though.
Brandon Williams
2024-06-24 06:41:15 +0000 UTC@John Cedar I guess all im trying to say is it that yes, it was an emotional reaction that he shouldn't have done and was incredibly pathetic, petty, terrible, lame etc. That being said, for me personally I can't be any more angry than I could be at walt for it than for anything else he does. Like people say they stopped rooting for walt when he killed mike... Like really that's what did it for you? I understand more when people say they stopped rooting or liking him for other things. I know mike is a character in the show who we have seen around for a while so audience members can be bias. But walt has hurt less morally bad people than him. For me he's a character i thought was cool but I don't put him on a pedestal. I see him as a hitman, who supported gus even knowing that he murdered children. I see him as a hypocrite in a lot of ways like Walt. Although unlike walt, he is genuinely doing it for family but its not like he couldn't have gotten an normal job to leave money for his granddaughter. It sucks that walt killed him the way he did for the reason he did. But I just don't have the fanbases devotion to look up to him is all.
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 06:38:26 +0000 UTCI'm a Walt hater, but I do agree with this. He definitely became "himself" more over time, which many people don't do. Heisenberg was always bubbling there, under the surface. Gus is a good comparison because he was almost, ALMOST perfect, except for one little revenge flaw
Kara
2024-06-24 06:24:59 +0000 UTC@john - i'd go further and say that killing Mike increases risk. ghosted mike = safe. dead mike = more risk and questions
Kara
2024-06-24 06:23:35 +0000 UTCwell if we really wanna go there obviously if walt took the money from gretchen and elliot everything would have been fine. But my point is that I think demoralizing walt for killing gus especially by mike of all people is pretty bs for several factors. I honestly think like skyler or jesse should have given a pride of ego speech would have been better if were meant to go Yes Mike YOUR GODDAMN RIGHT. But i don't think we are meant to view it as YES MIKE is such a great guy in comparison to walt speech like some fans claim. Mike reasoning for the speech is selfish in of itself, he's angry for himself. We would have been fine continuing to cook meth for a drug kingpin...like he's not a role model neither him or walt lol. He's right that walt pride is his biggest downfall but he's talking out his ** if he thinks the reason walt killed gus was because he wanted to be top dog.
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 06:22:48 +0000 UTCYeah Walt killing Mike is one of the most unjust things in the show. Other people have already said it, but yeah he literally killed Mike in a fit of rage because he called him out. Basically, he killed him because he lost the argument and his ego couldn't take it. I'm sure Walt really is sorry. But that does fuck all for Mike right now. Just because someone is smart, doesn't mean they have good control of their emotions or are mentally stable. Thats just what Walt is exceptionally good at. But he's had issues for years. And it's just been getting worse in the past year. Also I'm not sure if you guys have it censored for you in the episode but if you do, you should head to Netflix. The whole series is there and there's no censorship, which might take you out of the episode a bit. Again, there's a lot of Walt apologists who just think he can do no wrong. But in reality, he's just an incredibly written character. I dont think normal people cheer for like actual calculated monsters who don't feel. People cheer for the flawed people, even the pieces of shit like Walt. I just adore the entire journey.
Lorenzo Baxter
2024-06-24 06:18:21 +0000 UTCabsolutely GREAT reaction. y'all cooked lmao. Mike going off on Walt is a huge catharsis moment for everyone who was getting increasingly fed up with Walt's shenanigans. Walt always justifies his kills as being necessary, but here he clearly, textually caps Mike because his ego is bruised... there is literally no reason to shoot Mike, he's not gonna give up the 9 names if shot and as he realises, Lydia has the names anyway. It was pure revenge / vengeance / ego / cringe. It's funny cuz Mike is an incredibly reserved character but at this point, Walt pushes him over the line. It's funny seeing calm characters snap, like Gus twitching in the elevator. Also just so its clear: the DEA confiscated all Kaylee's money, she's getting jack shit from Mike. it's really devestating lol.
Kara
2024-06-24 06:15:54 +0000 UTCSaying "Mike is a hitman that tried to kill him" is like saying that Jesse aimed a gun at Walt and almost killed him over Brock...so what, Walt can do whatever he wants? The situation is utterly different by S5, they are in an equal 3 way partnership for half of the end. Is Walter justified in whatever he does to Jesse because Jesse is an addict who purposefully hooked people in NA on meth? Are his threats and violence justified to anyone who has ever touched the drug game, even to someone like Saul? Saying people are mad at Walt being evil is missing the point, the Salamancas and Gus are obviously more evil than him, as are Todd's crew. What Walt stans cannot seem to understand is that we like the character, we love watching this train wreck of the series of actions that he takes, but that doesn't mean you don't talk about what he does through a critical lens when we talk about these characters as if they are real people. If Walt does not know the names of the people in prison, what does killing Mike accomplish, if Lydia wasn't part of the equation? Absolutely nothing. Mike would've been in the wind forever.
John Cedar
2024-06-24 06:15:47 +0000 UTC@Fresh2000 Yes, multiple things can be true at the same time. He does care about people, just not enough to actually keep them out of danger when his ego is involved. And you proposed an alternate speech that you think Walt should have given -- except that wasn't outside of his control. He was still responsible for all that happening. Shutting his mouth would have worked out for himself, Hank, and Jesse. Not just Mike as you stated. Just sayin.
Dan
2024-06-24 06:12:58 +0000 UTCWalter pride and ego speech shouldn't be taken at face value. Mike insulted his pride which led to walt killing him which shows that his pride and ego is his downfall. But mike isn't meant to be seen as the moral guardian, he is also a man whose ego made him underestimate walt's ticking time bomb nature and go back to the drug business at the beginning of the season. He is mad that gus got killed not for moral reasons but because gus made it easier for him to make money while doing crimes. He also doesn't know that walt killed gus not to be the man but to save his families life @Kara Small
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 06:03:28 +0000 UTCwalt also does have some redeeming qualites and sympathetic moments despite what some may say. Especially earlier on.
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 05:55:57 +0000 UTCI hate to bring in politics, but this is the only analogy that will hit home for everyone concerning your point about caring about other people's likes/dislikes: There's a reason that there are entire social groups with titles like "Imagine being this obsessed with an ex-president and thinking it's normal" . The fact that people have tattoos of him, wear his face on their underwear (outside of their pants), walk around with golden diapers, talk on Facebook about how he's just like Jesus, the fact that they tried to rush a government building to "reinstall" him as president (when there's no Constitutional mechanism for such a thing), and the fact that people have made loving him their whole personality... is rightly disturbing to people who recognize the danger he poses to the republic. To normal people, it's shocking that people love him more than their country. To his followers, it's shocking that people dislike him at all, so they antagonize their opposition for the lols. At this point, like you said, I don't think that many people even truly love or hate him that much -- I think most of the actions and reactions are just to trigger the people on the other side, each because it amuses (or brings solace to) themselves. It's cathartic.
Dan
2024-06-24 05:53:43 +0000 UTC@Dan yeah basically if walt didn't care about anyone like some fans claim, then him and gus would have been fine
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 05:47:36 +0000 UTCdie hard mike fans gotta realize that mike is a hitman who tried to kill walt and jesse before so what comes around goes around. In the fact that walt actually felt bad about killing mike over nothing, shows that he's not the most evil character in the show
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 05:45:05 +0000 UTCsoon
Chad Gloria
2024-06-24 05:43:24 +0000 UTCAlso like...what was accomplished by killing him if Lydia wasn't in the equation? He still would have zero information whether Mike leaves alive or dies by the river. Mike and Jesse being my favorites throughout, this episode made me an official Walt hater when it aired, like you said. Mike deserved so much better than this, but then again, so did pretty much everyone else who interacted with Walter.
John Cedar
2024-06-24 05:38:53 +0000 UTC@Kara Small point of note: Walt sabotaged things with Gale so that Jesse could be brought in, and that was to basically bribe Jesse to drop the assault charges against Hank. But you're right, if he'd been willing to let Hank's own actions affect his own career, and let Jesse get into whatever trouble he was prone to get into by himself, Walt would have had a long, profitable, and enjoyable arrangement with Gus and Gale. For however long he would have let that last before he sabotaged that, too.
Dan
2024-06-24 05:35:09 +0000 UTCY’all need to meet chuck mcgill. I want to know your thoughts.
cheech
2024-06-24 05:33:45 +0000 UTCDespite Walt’s flaws and shortcomings, he had the balls to take control of his life and his destiny. That’s why he has fans. Gus let Hector control his actions and emotions, Jesse let Walter control him, Mike let Gus control all his finances. Which ultimately led to all their downfall.
Brandon Williams
2024-06-24 05:32:44 +0000 UTCBlack comedy to Shakespearean tragedy. So well written. So cool that the Walt character can go from being a complete weakling to a horrible egomaniac in five seasons. The transformation is theatric art.
Terri
2024-06-24 05:24:20 +0000 UTC@Fresh2000 It's true that Walt's devotion to Hank and Jesse plays a huge part in how things got here. That by itself would have been admirable, except that it's also true that: (1) Gus only threatened Walt's family under the condition that Walt intervened in the planned assassination of Hank. Gus only wanted to kill Hank because he was getting too close, and that only happened because Walt couldn't keep his mouth shut after two glasses of wine. Hank reopened a cold case (for which he had previously felt "closure") because Walt couldn't handle Gale taking his credit. So Mike isn't wrong there: Walt's ego blew everything up. Mike didn't know the behind-the-scenes info, but he was right when he said that if Walt had known his place and kept his mouth shut, they'd all be fine right now. Without Walt's bragging, Hank wouldn't have known about Gus' criminality, and no threat against Walt's family would have been necessary. (2) Walt wasn't without alternate options. Jesse was prepared to kill Gus' guys because they killed his friend. Jesse had asked for the ricin, and Walt refused. If he'd offered it when asked, the henchmen would have died without being linked to either Walt or Jesse, so that neither one would have been in trouble with Gus. #2 is one of the few defensible "outs" that Walt skipped, because Jesse was asking for assistance in murder, so at least Walt's head was in the right place, asking to not escalate things. But he decided to confide in Gus over Jesse, and then changed his mind when Jesse's life was put in danger as a consequence of his own actions (telling Gus).
Dan
2024-06-24 05:22:08 +0000 UTCAnd Walt's descent into scarface continues! Killing Mike was a D-bag move fer sure!!!
Chris Bruneau
2024-06-24 05:21:04 +0000 UTCThe Jesse situation only happened because Walt decided he couldn't work with Gale due to his ego. That's the point Mike is referring to, he could have kept quiet and earned X million dollars indefinitely with almost zero risk, in a perfect lab environment. He would have actually earned even more money than with Jesse - remember he offered Jesse a clean 50:50 split of the money, just because he wanted him back. Multiple times Walt blows up his own spot - with Gretchen and Elliot, with Gus here. Mike is absolutely in the right here lol. Yes, once things escalated Walt was a dead man, but as always they escalated due to his own actions. Walt absolutely could have stayed quiet and earned millions doing routine cooks with Gale.
Kara
2024-06-24 05:18:43 +0000 UTCYeah this episode turned a ton of hold-outs against Walt, when other things didn't. It wasn't just that he shot Mike out of anger, but that he followed it up with his half-assed apology of, "Whoopsie daisy, I didn't have to kill you, Mike. I'm sorry. This could have been avoided, but let me explain where I was coming from so you understand I'm not a total asshole... I just kinda forgot I didn't need you for that information... could have happened to anybody... honest mistake... (blah blah blah)" That spineless apology was the knife in the gut of die hard Mike fans. Such great writing to include it, to make sure it wasn't defensible.
Dan
2024-06-24 05:03:02 +0000 UTCMike had several slip-ups. Agree 👍
Tim Martin
2024-06-24 05:00:31 +0000 UTCMike was ignorant about Gus too. Gus was going to kill Walt and his family
Justin
2024-06-24 04:58:17 +0000 UTCI love how these ladies let their hate for Walt underestimate him. I don’t even think they hate Walt that much. They hate that he has fans, and that people root for him. They over analyze everything he does. It’s funny and weird to see.
Brandon Williams
2024-06-24 04:56:55 +0000 UTC"All this falling apart is on you" "you could have shut your mouth cook and made as much money as you need but you just had to blow it up, you and your pride and your ego, if you done your job known your place we would be fine right now". Actually mike your boss gus killed a child which made jesse react in anger which led to gus trying to kill him and me trying to save jesse's life. Then later gus threatened my entire family including my baby daughter. So me shutting my mouth and cooking would have only worked out for you.
Fresh2000
2024-06-24 04:52:53 +0000 UTC"Say my Name". 🔥🔥 Heisenberg was not much more than a meth myth up until today. Once they realize who he is, Declan's actor especially portrays a delicate fear so perfectly. This old bald guy with glasses who dresses like an average American, is the biggest name in the meth business. This show is so good- it's almost surreal. Maybe the best moment in television history.
Justin
2024-06-24 04:01:59 +0000 UTCBoom!!!💥 Daddy Walt? 😂 RIP Mike. He failed to realize just what kind of idiot he was dealing with. Mike even called it…said Walt was a ticking time bomb. Ugh. Hank is also guilty of underestimating Walt…otherwise he would have pieced this case together around season 2 😂 At this point, I think Hank would have to fall into some crazy dumb luck in order to solve this. Next episode is what I like to call “The Montage Episode”.
Tim Martin
2024-06-24 04:00:29 +0000 UTC
