Supernatural - "Season 10 Wrap Up" Review
Added 2022-06-12 19:00:07 +0000 UTCI fixed the audio at the beginning, sorry!
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Karen and Hasnaa, I completely agree with both of you. I don't think it's possible to agree more. Truly. I don't think -- and please do correct me if I'm wrong ๐ -- that what I said was in contrast to anything you've said? -- But I completely accept that treating fictional characters as "real" is likely part of what's led fandom in the past to divide into factions. I know you both know I'm new, so you're helping me: I wasn't aware of that history, so I didn't consider it. I would also posit, just to push back a tiny, tiny bit, that treating these fictional character as "real" is what enables us all to feel so close to them? And therefore to have deeper conversations? Perhaps transformative ones? That allow us to grow through art via experiences we're unlikely to have? For example, because there have been personal implications in your replies, I identify with Sam and Dean for my own family and upbringing reasons, and I'm triggered by being labeled as other than I self-identify (racially mostly but also sexually). I would never attempt to co-opt the LGBTQ+ experience, but I'm constantly, literally every day, told that I'm not who I am -- or that I'm not enough as who I am. โฆThat got too personal. So let me pivot. I'm so glad that I'm constantly called on the carpet through art and through these discussions to be self-reflective. And even though I've suggested the above, I'll also retreat to my corner to carefully and respectfully mull over what you've said. You guys are awesome.
SKK
2022-06-16 07:24:24 +0000 UTCthat's so true, the amount of fandom wars i have witnessed because a real person "disrespected" a fictional character is ridiculous, it's great that we feel that these characters are real but we have to remember that they are not & that real people with real feelings shouldn't be attacked, ridiculed, bullied for a fictional character's sake, maybe we should worry more about extending that grace to real people who may have grown up in a similar environment as dean & can't be out & proud & see themselves in this fictional character instead of shouting at them that they're wrong all the time for the sake of a fictional character that's never gonna be affected by this discourse one way or another
Hasnaa
2022-06-15 22:55:35 +0000 UTCTwice Patreon ate my lengthy reply so Iโll try to do one more quickly. @SKK I think that treating the characters as โrealโ is what has led the fandom to different camps and being less open to other interpretations. Not all the writers, producers and actors could agree on a consistent characterization from episode to episode sometimes, let alone the entire series, so no wonder the fans cannot. In my opinion, there is content to support either viewpoint on Dean. Just depends on which words or actions you choose to believe are the โrealโ ones versus which are are masking, anomalies, jokes, or later in life realizations. Itโs disheartening when people are not accepting of other views and say that others are wrong. Itโs like just ignoring that the viewer is able to interpret the story and that there is no such thing as death to the author, subtext, or questioning the reliability of a narrator. It makes for a more open and comfortable experience if we remain respectful of other viewpoints.
AdoptDontShopPets
2022-06-15 22:22:40 +0000 UTCThis is sweet ๐: "I have 15 favourite seasons." I feel ya.
SKK
2022-06-15 19:18:08 +0000 UTC@Helen , I very much agree with you in principle that we should allow people the space and grace to self-identify without agenda, including, honestly, fictional characters because we grow so attached to them they become "human" to us in a sense. (pushing back at you just a bit on the fiction part, Hasnaa ๐) However, I'd also say our discussions tend to go better and further when we avoid dividing ourselves into camps. ๐
SKK
2022-06-15 19:16:36 +0000 UTC"he has been saying it for 10 seasons" feels like dean wakes up everyday shouting i am straight lol, he said like two comments to this in the entire show & they both were in the early seasons, that comparison between charlie & dean is unfair imo coz lesbians don't come out as straight later in life, while almost every lgbtqia+ especially from dean's generation has once self identified as straight coz that's "the norm" or the culture, it's not really double standards it's just pulling from real life, there's no reason for a straight woman to pretend to be a lesbian but i can think of a million reason why an lgbtqia+ from the south in that era would pretend to be straight, safety being a big one, fitting in etc ..., i am glad that some young folks don't need to do that these days but it wasn't always like that & it still isn't in many places, anyway, these are fictional characters so they don't really define themselves, the writers define everything about them & the viewers get to see what they see they're not real people
Hasnaa
2022-06-15 15:06:27 +0000 UTCI honestly could not rank the seasons, I have 15 favourite seasons. Episodewise, I love the finale and Soul Survivor about equally. I think every Spn fan sees it all completely differently and that's great. It makes for some amazing discussions.
Helen Wood
2022-06-14 13:30:24 +0000 UTCIf Sam had shut the gates of Hell, he would have been permanently dead, destroying Dean's life in the process. To me, neither is okay and I am glad both seasons ended as they did. The idea that the greater good would have been served by one Winchester dying, one losing the will to live and Hell being closed down, leaving all evil people to roam the word as vengeful spirits is not an idea I can embrace. If Dean had been stuck in the bunker, the need to kill would have eventually destroyed him completely. Demon Dean was not a misogynist. In fact, he lectured Lester on his double standards. Mark of Cain Dean was not misogynistic either, just undiplomatic. He was no worse to women than he was to men. Dean is straight. He's been saying it for 10 seasons now. Weird how he is not allowed to define his own sexuality, yet nobody denies Charlie the right to say she is a lesbian. Destiel folk have their own double standards, I suppose. Claire's story is fantastic and there is more to come. I'm sure you will love it all. Season 11 will blow your mind.
Helen Wood
2022-06-14 13:18:29 +0000 UTCI always love listening to opinions that are completely different from mine as Season 10 is not one of my faves but I can understand why people would like it I think it was just MOC Dean really started to irritate me even though i understand why the story was it was but as a viewer I just stopped enjoying it and I get Sam and Dean putting each other before everything is their thing but even Sam got on my nerves this season I don't find it an unwatchable season its just not one I ever really have the desire to rewatch
Stacey
2022-06-13 10:13:35 +0000 UTCDropping by for 100% on all + let us not cast aspersions for *impossible* situations.
SKK
2022-06-13 08:56:41 +0000 UTCAbsolutely loved this wrap up. Your poor voice! Thanks for taking the time to do these for us! They're always a lot of fun! ๐๐ One of my favourite parts was when you said (talking about Fan Fiction) that these reactions are "Shelley's Supernatural". Because I 100% agree. I don't always agree with everything you say, but I don't have to, it's YOUR Supernatural reactions. And I love experiencing your version. I also appreciated during the questions when you reiterated a couple times that you won't pit the brother's rights and wrongs/mistakes and triumphs against one another. I have always appreciated that about you - your love of BOTH boys. I also liked that you mentioned a few times that the boys are just doing their best in IMPOSSIBLE situations. I love that you get it. I adore Season 10. It's my second favourite season. (Five still comes first for me.) There are only three or four episodes that I don't absolutely love. Trying to pick a favourite episode is next to impossible for me too. I think I'd go with the finale as my #1. Although I sincerely love Fan Fiction as well. It's incredible! Anyway, loved this - so looking forward to S11 with you!
Linda Moore
2022-06-13 08:07:00 +0000 UTCI loved -- LOVED -- season 2. I was already in love in season 1, but SPN was cemented (for me) in season 2. You are not alone. ๐ ๐ If I may quote a problematic movie, "To me, [season 2] is perfect."
SKK
2022-06-13 07:35:12 +0000 UTCReally enjoyed the season 10 journey with you and cannot believe we are on season 11! I find ranking this show so difficult...like you I get stuck in separating favourite v best writing. Season 10 is my absolute favourite and the one I enjoyed the most but the writing in season 4 and season 5 was just so tight and interwoven that you have to given them top slot. In terms of the rest of the season I would swap season 8 with season 2. I know I am in the minority but I loved season 2 whereas I struggled through season 8 - the pacing did not work for me - even though it had some fantastic episodes.
Kim Rigg
2022-06-13 06:32:58 +0000 UTCSame... Particularly, this wrap-up reaction has helped me better understand my own limitations regarding the concept of hell and therefore my own limited non-issue with not closing the Gates of Hell. I look forward to my next rewatch of Season 8.
SKK
2022-06-13 03:45:40 +0000 UTCRegarding the Lucifer thing, I think the connection comes from the snake in the garden that was targeting Sam -- I mean, Abel. Cain threw himself in front of the danger much like Dean throws himself (bodily) at the danger time and again. ETA: I had dropped my gratitude note on The Boys thread before hearing the tribute here to Fan Fiction's multi-directional positivity, respect, and inclusion. This addition is to echo all.
SKK
2022-06-13 03:29:15 +0000 UTCi love everything you said in this wrap up
Hasnaa
2022-06-13 00:25:03 +0000 UTCLoved your wrap up of this season but I have to say I think on rewatch you will see that after Dean killed Cain there was a lot of stuff showing Dean changing and losing himself there was even more subtle stuff as well but can't agree with you saying they didn't show enough because there was clear evidence and reasons for Sam being so panicked and hurrying to save Dean. Again on rewatch I think you will see because maybe you just missed a lot of things.
Daniel Lewis
2022-06-12 23:13:16 +0000 UTCLol this is the season that made me quit watching the show week to week when it was first airing. Sorry, Charlie was off limits and that was the last straw... these writers are just sociopaths at this point ๐ ๐ค
ConsciousChronicle143
2022-06-12 22:53:31 +0000 UTCLoved the review shelley though i feel some of your predictions for season 11 are too broad but that's ok.
Christopher simeon
2022-06-12 20:39:03 +0000 UTCIt stops about halfway through back to normal
Christopher simeon
2022-06-12 20:36:55 +0000 UTCYep chipmunk Shelley. I tried watching it for awhile but no lol
Daniel Lewis
2022-06-12 20:24:30 +0000 UTCyep!
Sharon Owen
2022-06-12 19:26:15 +0000 UTCNo lol. Chipmunk Shelley for me too
Christopher simeon
2022-06-12 19:21:22 +0000 UTCAm I the only one whoโs video seems to be in a higher speed than normal?
Luis Nov
2022-06-12 19:20:09 +0000 UTCAnybody else get chipmunk shelley?
Christopher simeon
2022-06-12 19:11:34 +0000 UTC
