Discussion of MHA 7x4
Added 2024-11-11 17:49:33 +0000 UTCTo everyone commenting that they are upset we didn’t immidietely forgive Aoyama for selling out his classmates at least 3 times, I’d ask you the difference between what Reiner did and what Aoyama did, and why Reiner clearly deserved to be hated at the time of his reveal while Aoyama is expected to be forgiven instantaneously.
In both circumstances, their parents pressured them as children to do horrible things at the threat of some greater power (Marleyans/All For One), and they both did so while lying the whole time to their friends. When we got the full picture on both of them, it was clear that it’s more Marley, the parents, and AFO fault, but even knowing that you still have to hold them accountable A LITTLE BIT for what they did.
A difference you may say is “Reiner killed people and Aoyama never killed people directly”. What id say to that is, if this show had a tone similar to JJK or AOT, Aizawa would have been killed by the Nomu in season 1, Deku very well could have died to Muscular, and Allmight could have died fighting AFO, not to mention the students that easily could have died in all these circumstances and the people that did die in Kamino.
The point I’m making is that just because Aoyama happened to not have these people killed doesnt mean we should treat him as if he didn’t put them in a situation where they easily could have died, just like the people that died due to Reiner.
We very well could forgive him in the next few episodes, but honestly if we had said in the reaction “we don’t blame you at all Aoyama you have nothing to be sorry for,” I think that shows a lack of comprehension for what the show is trying to say with this.
I believe we are meant to be pissed at him, realize that it’s mainly the parents and AFO fault, and, after a brief period being pretty upset that he sold out his friends several times, ultimately forgive him because we need him to help us be a hero moving forward, showing that no one is beyond saving and becoming a hero.
To conclude, we were pissed during this episode and the last, but we havnt given up on him. Much like the fact that they are still putting him in jail even if they want to forgive him, we are putting him in our mental jail until he proves that he can stop betraying everyone.
Ok that was a yap session but I thought this would be better than replying to all the comments haha.
(Again, the parents are 40% to blame, AFO is 50%, and Aoyama is 10% in our heads)
Comments
I left a few comments about my thoughts on the situation with Aoyama and some different ways of looking at the situation, but I really hope they weren’t taken as me saying “you should feel this way instead”. I just think it’s a very nuanced situation and there’s a lot of things to discuss and consider about it. You two are my favorite reaction channel because you really seem to understand and enjoy the stories you watch, so just keep being you! People comment stuff like that because they’ve already known about this arc since it first released in the manga and have had time to sit with it and hindsight of what the story is going forward. Y’all are watching this for the first time, people need to understand it’s a different experience and people are allowed to have “reactions” on a reaction channel, lol.
Carmen
2024-11-15 17:30:12 +0000 UTCWe also have hindsight and they dont so you just have to wait and see
Kevin De Bruyne
2024-11-14 14:19:08 +0000 UTCReiner did NOT willingly choose just saying. He was 10000% pressured and brainwashed, and warrior status was held up as this honor, tricking him to do it haha
Letts React
2024-11-14 13:11:27 +0000 UTCThe method and motive made me forgive him faster and seeing Reiners character growth also set me up to view betrayal in different light. I forgave Aoyama as he was revealing he was the spy because you can clearly see the pain it was causing him to betray those he views as heroes. He never willingly chose to be a spy, it was all to save his family's and his lives, while Reiner willingly chose to become a candidate in order to raise his family's status. Also maybe a bias based on the art, since Reiner looks like a grown ass man and Aoyama a scared child with constant tummy issues lol
dannydarko27
2024-11-13 11:16:52 +0000 UTCYes! He yells but he's a softy inside. Love our angry soft boi. Horikoshi wrote him perfectly
Katsuki BakuGOAT
2024-11-13 01:11:45 +0000 UTCI actually love that about his character! I was so afraid that after he apologized to Deku that Horikoshi was going to start writing him differently. I was so happy that in the last episode of season 6 he was still angry and yelling at people, lol! 😂 That’s my boy! 💥
Kiribukai
2024-11-13 00:57:39 +0000 UTCAlso I think that when bakugo goes through his character development people expect him to stop be loud and aggressive but that's not plausible. I Mean look at his mom lol they're just loud abrasive people, that doesn't mean they can't have development. Bakugo isn't suddenly going to be all like "hello my fellow classmates, what a beautiful day, let's all try our best!" Lol that's just not him but that in no way cancels out his MAJOR development.
Katsuki BakuGOAT
2024-11-13 00:35:33 +0000 UTCRIGHT! like I love endeavors arc but damn. Bakugo: a CHILD tells deku to jump off a building once in episode 1 and then has an amazing character development arc 1/3 of the MHA fandom: and we never shall forgive him Endeavor: beats his wife, his children, and traumatized his entire family Those 1/3 of the MHA Fandom: WE LOVE U ENDEAVOR ITS OK
Katsuki BakuGOAT
2024-11-13 00:32:41 +0000 UTCAoyama is responsible for Thirteen, Aiwsawa, All Might, Deku and the others in class A to nearly get killed during the USJ. He almost got Kota and Deku killed by Muscular, got Bakugo kidnapped during the Forest Training Camp. I understand why people don't forgive Aoyama because while he was forced to tell All For One about where his class is going on a class trip to the USJ and about his class training at the Forest Training Camp, he still got people killed because of the Kamino Ward Incident that I just remembered. I still feel sad for him, but it doesn't change that he was the Traitor.
Oisin McCrory
2024-11-12 22:22:03 +0000 UTCvery much not forgiving Ayoma but also like... he's a 15 yr old who's parents told him they would all Die because the MHA equivalent of like Al Capone told them he WOULD kill them directly. Like I kinda get why he did it ngl and he very obviously didn't want to have to do it
Nabs.shani
2024-11-12 22:21:05 +0000 UTCTruly baffling! I have seen (and more than once) in the comment section of various places, people saying that they love Endeavor and his character arc but hate Bakugo. 💀 I beg your finest pardon, but that is just about the craziest take I have ever heard in my life. I cannot even begin to understand that. And this is not coming from a place of Endeavor hate for me, I really love Endeavor’s character arc, but to say Bakugo is deserving of more blame and hate than Endeavor is insanity.
Kiribukai
2024-11-12 21:31:38 +0000 UTCI agree, I wasn’t eager to forgive Aoyama either. I totally get and expected Deku to forgive him because that is just who Deku is. 🥹 but man, I was bitter for a couple of episodes. I had guessed Aoyama was the traitor during my second watch through, and watching the training camp arc knowing (or atleast having a really good hunch) that it was Aoyama was BRUTAL. His actions cased so much pain and suffering. And while I did actually come around to feeling bad for him at the end of this episode because he felt like he had no choice, i have zero empathy for his parents. They were selfish and so concerned with appearances that they sold their son out to the literal demon lord 😵💫 Straight to jail for them!
Kiribukai
2024-11-12 21:11:25 +0000 UTCWell said.
Rexus Iglesias
2024-11-12 20:07:38 +0000 UTCNah I 100% don’t forgive him lol He got so many killed
Primal panda
2024-11-12 18:25:15 +0000 UTCSame with Bakugo.
DDB
2024-11-12 18:15:30 +0000 UTCI also didn't like that they forgave him and used him to get at the villains instead of punishing him it's ok Kenny and Montana you guys are not alone and we agree with you keep your heads up love you guys
blue_haruki
2024-11-12 12:17:34 +0000 UTCWhile All Might was always going to lose his powers eventually, the Bakugo rescue wouldn't have been necessary if not for Aoyama. On the flip side, the only reason it wasn't the Bakugo+Tokoyami rescue is also because of Aoyama. He just saw his class get stomped by villains, he knew the risk of interfering - but it's likely that when he saw an opportunity to help, his body moved before he had a chance to think. If AFO hadn't been caught - heck, if the rescue never happened because both of the students got saved - it's possible he'd have learned of Aoyama's betrayal and "discarded" his family. Aoyama carries some of the blame, but has also shown hope. It's messy and complicated. And Aizawa straight-up says (perhaps for the audience as much as Aoyama?) "Not a lot of people would give you a chance like your classmates."
Valerie.Z
2024-11-12 00:54:44 +0000 UTCYeah it baffles me that people bend over backwards to forgive endeavor so fast but don't with bakugo when he's a child lol endeavors arc is great, but he was an adult man when he made those choices haha
Katsuki BakuGOAT
2024-11-11 23:50:51 +0000 UTCwild that a post like this was necessary. some of you guys really have to chill out a bit lmao
Eric C
2024-11-11 23:43:50 +0000 UTCNot saying there can't be any redemption, but I'm concerned that danger sense detected Aoyama's belly beam. Out of the whole class and his is the only one detected? I'm worried that he'll freak out again about his parents. Wish I knew how danger sense worked, like would it work with Gentle Criminal or Stain?
Rndom016
2024-11-11 23:22:51 +0000 UTCI agree that we are primed to forgive Aoyama faster, but not instantaneously. Gotta prove you can do something non-evil to rectify
Letts React
2024-11-11 23:13:27 +0000 UTCI think the difference between Reiner and Aoyama is that for the longest time we were left in the dark about what Reiner was going through. We thought he was doing it just because. Later when we get the backstory Reiner becomes a hero to everyone all over again. Attounding for his actions. Aoyama we are given the reason he betrayed his friends as soon as we find out he did it. In conclusion the difference is information and time.
James Carl Carter III
2024-11-11 22:37:30 +0000 UTCDefinitely sucks that you two are getting all this hate for it
Danny C
2024-11-11 22:13:20 +0000 UTCInteresting you made the Reiner connection, as I haven’t considered it. Darker setting of the shows aside, I think it’s important to point out that Reiner found the drive to kill people and become this new person for the sake of his mother, where as Aoyama was presented with a quirk, and his parents mentioned that they didn’t know who exactly AFO was until it was too late. So I don’t think, in retrospect, that they’re 1:1, since Aoyama didn’t WANT to do what he did, and even had that cry for help moment with Deku and the cheese, but rather he didn’t exactly have a choice. I definitely see the parallels, but they’re a bit different. Again, this is all in retrospect, having seen and read the rest of MHA, so you guys still have time to let the news of his betrayal sink in and go through your feelings. Overall though, I think your shock and disappointment with Aoyama is totally understandable. You’ll just have to see how the story unfolds from here and make your decision on him after the fact.
Danny C
2024-11-11 22:11:15 +0000 UTCI'm not trying to spoil either, nothing he does for the rest of the series, including the manga made me forgive him. Literally every single plotpoint that has involved villains up until the war started, were his fault. Every injury; death; retirement, is his fault. I cant explain what wouldve made me forgive him without spoiling things, so i have to leave it at that. I knoe I'm on the minority side of the fanbase on that opinion, but that's all I got.
Renn.88
2024-11-11 21:19:46 +0000 UTCI don't want to spoil, but the next couple episodes show Aoyama putting his life in danger numerous times. How is that not enough?
Imani Brooks
2024-11-11 21:06:13 +0000 UTCIt wasn’t to long and I agree
Braden Jackson
2024-11-11 20:39:50 +0000 UTCDidn't mean for my comment to get so long but TLDR even if they aren't necessarily "to blame" they still deserve some consequences
GooseToes
2024-11-11 20:03:29 +0000 UTCUnderstandable. I just personally couldn't help and watch someone balling their eyes out... Cuz f*** ,sorry to sensor swear lol, I was so sad but then another comparison could be Eri cuz she's a child and aoyama was basically a child when that all happened to him so he and eri had basically no choice but to do what they had to do until saved and aoyama got caught yes but still a process of him being saved in a way because their coming up with a plan to actually save him. Idk if any of that makes sense or not though.
Babybear47
2024-11-11 20:03:23 +0000 UTCI think he deserves to be expelled, and his parents put in jail but not him. I mean he was a kid with basically no choice in any of it, but his parents at the very least saught AFO out. AFO made examples out of the ones who disobeyed him, so I really don't blame Yuga for just doing what his parents told him to. They were all scared, I don't even think his parents are "bad guys" other than being sorta vain for not accepting Yuga with no quirk. But they still deserve consequences because as adults they should've known better to begin with. And I have sympathy for the parents too, they didn't know what they signed up for, but they chose to sign up for it and deserve the consequences for it. However I do think it's a little unfair to blame the Aoyamas, especially Yuga, for all might losing his powers when all might was going to lose them anyway. All might could only power up for a few hours a day, he could barely teach his classes before the USJ and was being irresponsible with his hero time (solving incidents on his way to school). Kinda the whole reason he gave it to Midoryia I guess you could blame them for the timing but realistically I don't think All Might wasn't making it to Christmas with One for All. Personally I think he at most would've made it to the Overhaul fight before retiring (at most only a couple extra months of like an hour a day). I don't think they should be getting off scot-free, but blame for all my losing his power at least in my mind is 100% on all for one. Not any of his lackeys or anyone who 'wasted' all mights time.
GooseToes
2024-11-11 19:59:18 +0000 UTCAlways love your critical thinking skills you two. Most reactors don't have it and I cherish it about yall
Katsuki BakuGOAT
2024-11-11 19:57:23 +0000 UTCIt makes you sound like a "devil's advocate" type. Which is not a good thing
Suplee215
2024-11-11 19:54:30 +0000 UTCMHA fans expect people to forgive characters easily. People get hated on just for not forgiving endeavor even though he’s “changed”.
Franina
2024-11-11 19:53:44 +0000 UTCSorry if we have been giving yall crap on it it is perfectly fine if you forgive him in some circumstances or don’t
Braden Jackson
2024-11-11 19:52:24 +0000 UTCAgreed I understand why he did what he did and I feel bad that it happened but he still cussed his friends to be in danger and for Erassure to be hospitalized also I do believe if they didn’t raid the villians in season 3 that they would have done bakugo like the portal guy to force him to be evil and he is responsible for the deaths of the people of kamino even if it’s indirect I don’t forgive him but I am open to forgiving him if he can show that he earns it
Braden Jackson
2024-11-11 19:51:31 +0000 UTCFine. If you truly believe that's how I feel (glazing, as you put it), then I regret if that's how my words came across. It's just that EVERYONE has negative words about this character (rightfully so, true), so I try to offer my words of positivity when I can. That's just who I am. If that makes me sound naive or in defense of behavior like that, know I am NOT. It's an impulse, one I may or may not always agree with.
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 19:25:09 +0000 UTCYes, he’s a child and wife beater, shouldn’t be forgiven NEARLY as easily as you do haha
Letts React
2024-11-11 19:19:47 +0000 UTCCatra: "What do you want, an apology?"
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 19:14:55 +0000 UTCI might catch some disagreements for this, but even now, after the manga is over, I still never forgave Aoyama. I forgave Reiner because he literally tried to off himself because of how much guilt he had. Not even to mention Reiner beat himself up so much on Paradis that he developed a split personality to cope with what he was doing, like with Marcos death for example. Aoyama just breaks and just starts claiming he's a villain while crying. That's it.
Renn.88
2024-11-11 19:11:18 +0000 UTCAgree, while a central theme of the show is forgiveness and repentance, that doesn’t mean a character does not have to earn it. A good example would be Endeavor. People hated him and continue to hate him even now to this day even with all the character development he has gone through. It’s all how they are portrayed within the show. Appreciate you guys coming to your own opinions and not letting the show override you with what they’re trying to push for.
JTBloodstone
2024-11-11 19:06:18 +0000 UTCNope. I'm someone who have disagreed with them on opinions and stuff. I might not have always succeeded but the trick for a discussion is to make it as close to constructed criticism or explanation as possible. Not just flat out this isbwrong and how dare you. And to just not be parasocial but still treat them as human beings
Suplee215
2024-11-11 18:57:42 +0000 UTCno no, i was absolutely not advocating for hate to be allowed or enabled, of course not! my point was everyone equating contention and criticism to hate was a little compounding and disingenuous, imo. you’re right though, i hadn’t considered that one or two comments hating on one post from my pov could be 15 hate comments over several posts from yours. i’m sorry for not considering that
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:57:32 +0000 UTCLike everyone was so wrapped up in solving the mystery that we weren’t focused on processing anger towards them, especially because a lot of tension between Reiner and Bert happened like, immediately after they confessed and kidnapped eren
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:54:58 +0000 UTCNo but, I think a lot of us were more like “who are Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie and Ymir, and why did they do this?” And not like a rhetorical “how could you do something so vile” but more like “what’s going on in the background that has introduced us to four new titan shifters, three of whom are acting like they’re at war with the people in the walls?” Like I think most of us were so intrigued and wrapped up in trying to solve the mystery that we didn’t have time to form opinions on the warriors, and by the time we had enough answers, it was like “oh, children sent to war on both sides . That’s sad”
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:53:32 +0000 UTCokay, i see what you mean here. i kinda lost the plot for a second and was applying real world logic to this scenario, sorry. with permanent death being minimal in mha, without potential consequences or crimes, there’s not much stakes involved to evaluate the characters or storylines or be fairly invested in them. and you using aot as an equivalent was meant to emphasise that, i get where you’re coming from now
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:51:01 +0000 UTCLMFAO
Butthead faxe
2024-11-11 18:48:46 +0000 UTCAgain, even in the manga, I highly doubt at the moment of the betrayal reveal that people were like “I immidietely forgive you for killing thousands Reiner, even if I don’t have a clear cut reason why”
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:44:29 +0000 UTCI would absolutely never begrudge you guys your opinion. We may disagree but at the end of the day it’s literally just an anime and I love your guys’s reactions regardless. I do get the Reiner comparison but I also think they purposely did not give us his backstory for a long time after the reveal whereas Aoyama was p much immediately portrayed in a sympathetic light (when deku finds him he’s literally sobbing and telling his parents he doesn’t want to do it any longer). But yeah he’s not completely absolved of his actions for sure
Ellie
2024-11-11 18:43:47 +0000 UTCIts because hbomb you are singularity 90% of the endeavor defense 😭😭😭
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:42:58 +0000 UTCTry having a channel and you will see why allowing hate is not a good or acceptable thing, this wasn’t “hate” I’d say but the notion of “we’re just people behind screens” ignores that while you all are just 1 person interacting with 1 creator, while we receive the “hate” from a TON of people, so it can get overwhelming sometimes. Just something to think about.
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:42:28 +0000 UTCand I hope this doesn’t sound condescending or like, manga superior LMAO I usually am an anime only watcher and only visit manga after I’ve finished an anime, but when I got into AOT it was about a decade ago and a lot of us started reading the manga to cope with how long season releases were taking, so wed read the chapters as they came out and then just gathered in manic little nerd cults and speculate over every panel LMAO, so of course a lot of the fans ended up accurately predicting plot points and developing analyses off of that
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:37:36 +0000 UTCMan, those has to be the most Patreon activity we've gotten in a single morning.
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 18:37:11 +0000 UTCI agree with your Aoyama take tbh. I also think the reiner comparison is good I feel the difference to me is reiner believed the people on paradise were devils and had been brainwashed with self hate for the race where Aoyama knew these were good people ND he was the villain from jump so that makes a difference to me for some reason lol but otherwise spot on i never thought of comparing those two.
zay collins
2024-11-11 18:35:42 +0000 UTCsorry for the numerous essays btw 😭
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:33:42 +0000 UTCi appreciate this post and open discussion, but i really don’t subscribe to the notion that because there’s contention or difference of opinion that that means kenny and montana are being “hated on” or “forced to change their opinions.” i don’t know what it is about online fandom culture where people seem to lose all discernment and critical thinking skills, but i promise some of their viewers having different views doesn’t mean they’re receiving hate. and to be frank, even if they were, they’d be fine – we’re all just people behind screens talking about anime. as long as it’s not abuse, someone saying they could stand to have a little more empathy is NOT going to kill them 😭
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:33:22 +0000 UTCAgain it’s about reading manga as chapters are released real time, talking to fans about being able to digest when Reiner says soldier vs warrior, how Bertholdt reacts in horror when Reiner says soldier, his bouts of selective memory (eg instantly forgetting they’re the ones who killed Marco), etc., and being able to dissect all of this with other fans as we frantically wait for the next chapter. People had been predicting the “other society” since it was revealed both Ymir and Reiner knew what the canned food said in another language, and each chapter in that arc only served to build on that theory more. So of course fans were able to deduce that Reiner came from another society, and was being charged with the task of killing the people in the walls and retrieving a coordinate. Maybe we didn’t know the self loathing aspect until we got the time skip, but we did know he came from another place, and was deeply struggling with his actions the moment he kidnapped eren
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:33:12 +0000 UTCSurprised they never did this with any Endeavor discussions, as we've all had a LOT to say about that. Probably for the best. 😬
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 18:27:11 +0000 UTCWe didn’t know reiners reason for doing it till season 3, you had no way to know he was in any society at the point of reveal (we didn’t even know Paradis was an island at that point), so your reasoning doesn’t quite make sense for not hating him at the reveal
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:26:57 +0000 UTC^^^
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:26:32 +0000 UTCThat's crazy people gave you so much shit for that you felt the need to make a whole discussion about it 🤦🏻♂️ Because sure, the majority of it was he was essentially brought up into this, but it's not like he had ZERO control over his actions. We even see where he struggles with it when he saves some of the students during the camp. At any point, he and/or the parents could have seen the atrocities A4O was commiting and decided their own safety wasn't worth the cost in others lives ( and frankly, if I were the parents, and of all the quirks A4O gave my kid...it was "naval laser" ??? Nah fuck you A4O! 🤣🤣)
Jinchuriki87
2024-11-11 18:26:24 +0000 UTCNah potential crime is important here because MHA simply doesn’t do deaths very much, I’d say Deku nearly losing arm usage allmight losing powers and Aizawa nearly dying is equivalent to the deaths in AOT given the different in tones of the two universes
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:25:55 +0000 UTCYUP exactly my thoughts, just because the tone of show is different doesn’t mean the actions weren’t equivalent in their given universes
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:24:47 +0000 UTCI don't watch reactions just to hear people say my own opinions back to me. This is unnecessary
Mekar
2024-11-11 18:23:22 +0000 UTClove this sorta "live debate" style of post ep discussions would love to see more posts like this for similar situations that it would warrant it
Butthead faxe
2024-11-11 18:21:20 +0000 UTCIgnore all my responses, just saw that others already said the exact same thing lol
Limini
2024-11-11 18:21:10 +0000 UTCHonestly for me, your perspective was a new take I never considered really lol kinda refreshing tbh… For me, Aoyama was easy to forgive not only because of his situation, but because when he thought he was free from AFO’s grasp, he tried to make up his mistakes by having a relationship with his peers from then on, hence the Deku & cheese episode, and the school festival activity where he felt he could “shine” and be like his classmates. It wasn’t until Deku leaving and revealing the truth where all the despair truly sank in….im sure he felt bad having to do what he did before when he first joined the class, but I think Class A’s determination and desire for true Heroism changed Aoyama internally. So once AFO broke free and Deku revealed the truth, Aoyama was not sure how to feel except miserable(rightfully so)…but that’s where my empathy kicks in for him. But I do appreciate y’all’s reaction! Keep up the good work!!!
Talon Sami
2024-11-11 18:18:05 +0000 UTC👆same thought process
Butthead faxe
2024-11-11 18:17:39 +0000 UTCAnd to admonish the two for a reasonable reaction is a bit weird. Like we probably want their authentic reaction rather then them lying to us? Not saying you can't critique or give counterarguments and/or your on perspective, but to insist that they are "wrong" about how they feel about Aoyama is unnecessary
Limini
2024-11-11 18:15:06 +0000 UTCKM keeps pointing that out as if it wasn’t just a meta anime gag on Horikoshi’s part meant to draw attention to aoyama being missing in action for that event 😭 like not everything a character does is meant to demonstrate their true personality or their morals, they’re narrative devices first and foremost omg
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:14:50 +0000 UTCthe comparison to reiner is spot on. while it's true that aoyama acted under the thumb of his parents, he still shoulders the blame of his actions - yes, all for one used their lives as leverage in order to puppeteer the three of them into obeying his orders, however, that doesn't negate the damage they caused as a result. forgiveness is earned, not deserved. I also found it unnerving that the class was essentially willing to turn a blind eye to his actions, and even more unnerving that so many viewers feel the same.
nic ˚୨୧⋆｡
2024-11-11 18:12:38 +0000 UTCJeez, yall are allowed to have your own opinions and feelings that can differ from others People comparing bringing up aot when mha is aimed at different audience??? Like if we go by the show and the genre, what aoyama did was the equivalent as reiner in aot, but the difference is that in aot it's the norm to have deaths and gruesome scenes vs in mha is wayyyy more light-hearted. So I wholeheartedly agree with what you're stating in this post bc aoyama's reveal was mha's equivalent of aot's reiner and bertholdt reveal. People can be so single-minded and judge everything on an equivalent scale when it can be more complex To everyone: you do you and that's fine, but if its different from others just don't hate on them for it or aggressively try to force them to change
Day
2024-11-11 18:11:11 +0000 UTCAlso I guess putting the series into perspective from a manga reader rq to explain - the manga did a great job at showing Reiner struggling immensely with his identity and mental health post reveal! Sometimes I feel like when a series is animated you’re subjected to the pacing of the dialogue speed, versus reading a manga where you can take your time and digest every word. A lot of us SNK readers had a lot of time in between chapters to digest everything, so it was easier to start piecing together his psyche before we got the explicit reveal
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:11:01 +0000 UTCIdk the UA kids got plot armor and survived all of that but the attack at the training camp could have easily gotten them killed. They only survived the Moonteeth guy bc of tokoyami. and deku and Kota almost died bc of muscular that night like deku had to be carried and broke his limbs. AFO wouldn't have ghe search quirk, if not for the training camp. Bakugo hadn't been kidnapped , all might would have had his power longer and the public would have their symbol. Bakugo carries a shit Ton of guilt bc of that, while aoyama was just "thank god it's over" even tho his actions had lasting consequences. Of course he was coerced and blackmailed but to pretend that what he did was nothing bad or "just giving out info" is downplaying his actions. He's no villain and I'm fine with everyone forgiving him bc it makes sense in the situation but I think aoyama did cause a lot of harm and if it weren't for the genre then people would have died. Bc he's young and of course AFO is the big bad evil we're meant to forgive him too as an audience and he's getting his chance at atonement etc So I think being pissed at him for one episode is fineeeee
Limini
2024-11-11 18:10:20 +0000 UTCi don’t see how this is childish on our part? having different views and opinions is a part of life, and the whole point of their reactions and media in general is to have a conversation, especially when it comes to provocative and emotional plot lines like this one. i agree that kenny didn’t really need to make a post response about this, it’s just general fandom contention, it happens 🤷♂️
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:10:14 +0000 UTCI watch my hero academia but i don't watch your reactions to it. It just doesn't interest me to the same level as other shows. I do agree with you that he deserves some blame for sure. One reason I'm not really ingested in MHA is it's just very simple in it's mindset in situations like this. It's an entertaining show but it's certainly one i put on to turn off my brain and not think. Not an insult. Escapism is a good reason for media and that what I go to MHA for. I think your take is completely valid here. I do think characters in general get forgiven real quick at time aand you don't see the full fall out of what you should (endeavor comes to mind) so I'm not shocked it's an unpopular opinion.
Suplee215
2024-11-11 18:08:05 +0000 UTCi don’t think anyone with a brain expected you or any viewer/reader to forgive aoyama immediately, and i do agree, he should assume responsibility for putting his friends and other civilians in harm’s way, even under threat from afo. that said, i think comparing reiner and aoyama (while fitting and i see why you did for argument’s sake) kinda compounds the situation because ultimately, aoyama wasn’t responsible for anyone dying, even if the likelihood was there. persecuting him for a potential crime or outcome is a little conjectural and irrational. honestly, for me personally, your anger wasn’t unreasonable or even unjustified, of course not, you care about class 1-A and finding out one of their own put them all in jeopardy time and again is distressing. it doesn’t help that the pacing of this plot line is a little rushed too. i just thought placing the blame on him for all might burning ofa earlier was unfair, considering nobody was responsible for that except afo and the league of villains.
kruz miller
2024-11-11 18:06:59 +0000 UTCReiner was raised in a society that brainwashed him and everyone around him into believing that he was subhuman simply for being a certain ethnicity, and on top of that the mission was not his idea, but something that would have happened regardless of who inherited the armor titan; all he knew was that if he became a warrior then his family could live a better life, he didn’t know what was going to be asked of him. And to top it all off, he became so traumatized by what he and Bertholdt did that he developed a dissociative identity to cope with his guilt. He did terrible things but he’s also a complicated person (as literally every named character in that series is) and I can’t bring myself to hate him, just like I can’t bring myself to hate eren despite him killing 80% of humanity
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 18:06:10 +0000 UTCMaybe it was some dark humor that the fans . . . didn't take a liking too. 😬 Or maybe, unlikely as it is, Horikoshi didn't plan for Aoyama to be the mole that early on. I dunno, whattya you think?
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 18:05:20 +0000 UTCI definitely agree with this statement. Although I wish people would be a little more understanding of their reactions. Getting to the point where Kenny had to make a whole post about it seems pretty childish on our part.
LukeDaSkyWaka
2024-11-11 18:03:03 +0000 UTCThat’s actually absurd haha at least when Aoyama was revealed we knew he was under threat, for a full season and a half after Reiner he just seemed like a full blown killer and we had no idea that he was raised in a society to force him to do this💀💀💀
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:02:13 +0000 UTCAgreed. I think that message gets a bit lost because the tone of MHA is usually so cheery, but any real person would be pissed at aoyama and rightfully so.
Aquafina
2024-11-11 18:01:34 +0000 UTCExactly my thoughts
Letts React
2024-11-11 18:01:14 +0000 UTCAoyama watched Aizawa get smashed up by a Nomu at the USJ because of him. Immediately after: “Guess where I was hiding? It’s a secret teehee 🤭” You can feel empathetic while still pointing at something & saying “that’s messed up dude”
KM
2024-11-11 18:00:18 +0000 UTCHorikoshi admitted he wanted to tackle the traitor reveal back in season 3 after the training camp, where it would’ve gotten more focus directly after Bakugo’s kidnapping, but sales & interest were apparently dropping so he rushed to get to the other stuff asap. I genuinely believe this is the result of it being postponed & then rushed through here in season 7, meaning it didn’t get the focus it should have. The whole point of a traitor plot is to create mixed emotions in the characters & fans about the traitor. You’re meant to feel attached to them but now feel the same betrayal the characters do. In MHA, neither the characters nor the fans seem to actually feel that betrayal & whenever anyone points out what Aoyama did, the fans get very defensive. A reminder that this guy watched his teacher Aizawa get his bones snapped & his face pummelled in by the USJ Nomu & immediately after was like “Guess where I was? It’s a secret teehee 🤭”. Any other series would have fans pissed at him. I love MHA & the fanbase but I just think the traitor plot completely fell flat & fans are super defensive of anything they think might be criticism. So I agree with you.
KM
2024-11-11 17:59:02 +0000 UTCPara what?
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 17:58:48 +0000 UTCTotally agree! Ofcourse i have symphaty for auyama but look at how many times his classmates and everyone could have died. (Sorry for any typos dutch is my first language)
AHappyCat
2024-11-11 17:58:28 +0000 UTCYou have your reasons to not forgive him, I’m a manga reader so when I found out. I reacted the same, sure I felt sorry for him. However, he still did what he did and you’re right. No one is beyond saving.
Slash Dragon
2024-11-11 17:57:49 +0000 UTCJokes on you I never hated Reiner /j
Velocity Paige
2024-11-11 17:57:02 +0000 UTCI think it’s fair to be upset and or pissed off at Aoyama for consistently selling out his classmates and people who called him friend, and I also think it’s fair to be upset with the rest of Class A for forgiving him so easily. At the same time though I think it’s important to realize that Aoyama is the victim in all this, and like you said the better place to direct most of that upset frustration is at Aoyama’s parents, who as adults should have known better than to put their son’s life in the palm of AFOs hand
Griffin Kelly
2024-11-11 17:56:53 +0000 UTCThis is so valid and you shouldn’t even have to explain yourselves
Mike Donohue
2024-11-11 17:56:29 +0000 UTCNah I agree with yall don’t listen to the haters. Besides you are allowed to have your feelings. Not everyone has to feel/think the same way🙏🏿
Gdawg88
2024-11-11 17:56:26 +0000 UTCLet’s not be parasocial now
Mike Donohue
2024-11-11 17:56:21 +0000 UTCI was being dramatic with the whole "survived" bit, Ken 😅
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 17:55:16 +0000 UTC???
Letts React
2024-11-11 17:52:54 +0000 UTCOkay, you survived. For now . . . Still think you two could afford to show more empathy. Edit: I was kidding about the first part, guys.
H-Bomb 24
2024-11-11 17:51:55 +0000 UTC
