MHA 6x17
Added 2024-09-28 14:00:03 +0000 UTCEnjoy! next ep Thursday!
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So yes Toya inherited a stronger version of Endeavours Quirk, but that has nothing to do with Rei he simply took after Endeavours side of the family. The problem was both families had Quirks with two components, the first component allows them to generate the element fire/ice, the second component provides a resistance to said element. Normally Toya would have inherited the fire resistance necessary to withstand his own Quirk, but because Endeavour and Rei’s Quirks are opposites built the same way Rei’s ice resistance got passed down and replaced the fire resistance Toya would have normally inherited The closest real life example for something like this is certain diseases require both parents to have the genetic markers for it, if only one parent has the markers the child is safe, but if both parents have the markers there is a high chance any child they have could develop that disease
WhateverIFeelLike
2024-11-18 16:36:30 +0000 UTCI guess the difference is that I feel empathy for Touya and the rest of the Todoroki family, not just sympathy. And I can relate to the character’s feelings of being replaceable or “not good enough” for a parent. I briefly mentioned this in another comment, but I can also strongly relate to an aspect of Touya’s character that I don’t see many people talk about—which are his clear self-destructive and su*c*dal tendencies. You can have whatever opinion you want, dude. I wasn’t actually trying to change your mind nor do want to lmfao. I was simply giving my opinion (which I am also allowed to have btw) and trying to help you understand it. But right now my current opinion is that, despite saying you did not want to come across as victim blaming, you still did exactly that and it was extremely gross to read (as are some of these other comments/replies). Not very surprising coming from the anime community, especially the mha fandom specifically, but disheartening nevertheless. I would’ve hoped by now more people may show a little more compassion, understanding, or nuanced thinking in regards to not only Touya but the rest of the Todoroki family’s situation—considering that horribly abusive households are unfortunately not that uncommon irl. But I digress. Keep your opinions. Agree to disagree, I guess. Have the day you deserve, dude ✌️
renuzui
2024-11-07 21:28:21 +0000 UTCMaybe you just need to quit yappin like it’s gonna change my mind? There were a lot of problems in the todoroki house, mostly caused by endeavor. Toya also made the worst decisions possible at every turn and did something indefensible Idk how else to tell you that there’s no justification for attacking a baby, plenty of real life people and fictional characters have come from more abusive homes and didn’t resort to attacking defenseless babies. I had sympathy for Toya(and still do to an extent) but his consistent poor decisions erode that sympathy away. Idk why you seem so invested in a stranger online saying their sympathy for a fictional character has its limits
Kollie123
2024-10-26 05:08:51 +0000 UTCMaybe you just need to listen closer to Kenny and Montana’s discussion then. Because the issues run far deeper than just that. And tbh showing such a lack of sympathy for a kid growing up in a horribly abusive and detached household like that just comes across as gross and victim blaming. And maybe rewatch the episode too because the flashback also showed us a young Touya acknowledging that his father was to blame for things and not any of his siblings.
renuzui
2024-10-26 03:59:26 +0000 UTCYou lose me at “it’s understandable to attack a baby because you believe your daddy doesn’t love you”
Kollie123
2024-10-23 22:02:08 +0000 UTCWell, again, sorry but I still don't understand how you can "lose a lot of sympathy" for Touya here. Yes, Touya lashed out and he was wrong for it. But it is understandable. Even the fact that he tried to attack his baby sibling. Like I said, I think Montana was completely correct with her take of Touya/Dabi and his mental state. His dad made him feel like he was replaceable. Like he was unworthy of any of his attention or affection, and maybe somebody else was. And I do put most of the blame on the parents (mainly Endeavor of course) because these flashbacks clearly depict that Touya was still just a child when the events occurred. One who, as I mentioned before, probably had more deep-seated issues that only continued to grow. And said issues mostly went ignored and untreated by his family. And were especially ignored by Endeavor (who was the cause of these issues, and he himself has admitted that). I feel sympathy for everyone in that family except Endeavor. Even Touya because he was also just another victim of Endeavor's obsessive drive and ego for years. But agree to disagree, I guess.
renuzui
2024-10-23 21:56:08 +0000 UTCI know this is wird to say, with Endeavor being an abuser, but they really made his language more asshole-y in the dub. Like, in the sub, when he says he can't watch Toya all the time he says they'll hire someone. In the dub, he derisively says the "help". It's weird
Curtis Murphy
2024-10-17 21:56:19 +0000 UTCFirst of all I didn’t say I have no sympathy for Dabi, I said his actions in this episode lose a lot of sympathy from me And my point was that putting all the blame on the parents is silly when Toya is acting out to this extent. Plenty of kids come from broken homes and don’t attack a literal baby, all our parents mess us up to varying degrees, but Toya is responsible for his actions after a certain point and this episode shows that he basically did the worse possible choice for himself and his family every chance he got
Kollie123
2024-10-17 05:21:10 +0000 UTCSorry, but I don't really get how you can watch this episode and come away not feeling any sympathy for Touya or literally anyone else in that family besides Endeavor??? Sure, Touya was a stubborn kid. And it was obviously wrong of him to verbally berate his mother and to try and hurt his baby sibling. Clearly, he had more deep-seated issues that had yet to be addressed by his family. But Endeavor was most certainly the root of these issues. And sure, maybe Rei and Enji were "genuinely concerned" for Touya, but their worry does nothing if they don't actually attempt to help and understand their child. Endeavor's approach most certainly was not the right way to go about things. He showed no love, affection, or kindness to Touya (or any of his kids really) for several years. And when incidents did occur, instead of showing his son any of those things or even just taking any sort of accountability for how he was treating his family, he attempted to put the sole blame on Rei and beat her up for it. I also think Montana was spot on in her analysis of Touya/Dabi and his mental state. And I don't feel that any child should have to endure what Endeavor put his kids through. And in regards to Touya specifically, I don't believe any child should be made to feel as if they're "replaceable" or unwanted by their own parents. So I absolutely feel sympathy for Touya (there's a certain aspect of his character that I don't see many talk about that I can honestly relate to). Yes, he's a villain, but he's also just a tragic character.
renuzui
2024-10-17 05:14:00 +0000 UTCNeglect is a form of abuse. It's easy to judge these characters based off of what we would do irl. But I think Montana was pretty spot on with her analysis of Touya/Dabi and his entire mental state. And to me, something that was apparent when I was reading the manga and was apparent to me again in the new season, the neglect and trauma Touya endured didn't just make him rageful--it made him EXTREMELY self-destructive (I have another descriptor in mind that probably fits better but I didn't want to trigger anyone). A kid so young going through something like that??? I agree that it would just break them.
renuzui
2024-10-17 04:46:23 +0000 UTCHearing Hawks diss Endeavor was so funny. Hawks just found out that the guy he idolized as the one who saved him from his awful dad was very similar to said awful dad, maybe even worse. And instead of having a crisis about it, he just throws shade. Gotta love him
Jittercritter
2024-10-14 22:29:52 +0000 UTCIt's so interesting to think back on what Montana said when learning Shoto's back story. She brought up this same thing about how kids are programmed to want to listen to and be like their parents, but Endeavor was domineering and abusive to Shoto instead of utilizing that in a way. Looking back on it now, that's exactly how it worked for Toya. But for Shoto, Endeavor had changed so much into this man that hurts his wife and children and, instead of making Shoto want to be like him, he made Shoto hate him. It's interesting to see the difference between the two based on how Endeavor changed (and partially how Endeavor reacted to the way Toya changed).
Jake Clerico
2024-10-02 23:50:46 +0000 UTCI didn’t say I hate bakugo. I just dislike his character and while endeavor has done worse in the story he grew, the story took the time to acknowledge his SEVERE flaws. And has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t wish for his family to forgive him and will gladly leave them alone, if it means they’ll be happy. Whereas bakugo has more or less been the same since the start, and after 6 seasons it decided it was time to give him development. It just felt too fast for me, which is a crazy thing to say but that’s just what I felt while watching.
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-10-02 01:56:11 +0000 UTCBecause for what reasons do you like endeavor but not bakugo when anything bad you could say about him enji has done far worse? they both have development but to say you hate a character for their character when enji is objectivly worse instead of saying you just don't like the writing? In simple terms, liking a rapist and abuser more than a middle school bully is crazyyy
Scar
2024-10-02 01:34:57 +0000 UTCThat's what I thought, too. The show never gave any indication that the two weren't still married.
H-Bomb 24
2024-10-01 14:47:45 +0000 UTCWait Kenny said Rei is Endeavor's ex wife, I thought they hadn't divorced. She was hospitalized and deserves a divorce, but I'm pretty sure theyre still husband and wife at least on paper
dannydarko27
2024-10-01 12:07:22 +0000 UTCHim not treating Touya that bad was ironically why he turned this way, because having your father's love then suddenly having it taken away is arguably worse than never having your father's love in the first place, sure the other kids were treated bad but they didn't expect anything else since that's what they only know, Touya on other hand genuinely believed he can have his father's love back if he pushed his Quirk past its limit.
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 02:11:35 +0000 UTCHe wants to be a Todoroki so bad
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 02:06:13 +0000 UTCdefnotdai, didn't you see Rei's face each time Endeavor forced her to make another child? It's very obvious that she didn't want to get pregnant, but she couldn't say no because her family are being being financed by Endeavor's money.
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 02:04:08 +0000 UTCIndifferent Denji, yes that would be correct, but that doesn't take anything away from him, its not like he's responsible for the circumstances that lead to his birth.
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 02:02:19 +0000 UTCH-Bomb 24 they already tolerate him even though he physical and mentally abused them for 2 decades straight, I highly doubt him violating Rei would have been where they draw the line.
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 02:00:28 +0000 UTCRei 100% didn't want to be a part of Endeavor's eugenicist experiments, you can tell so by how pained her face she looked each time he forced her to get pregnant and blaming her for her children's being motherless is just straight up victim-blaming, its not like she's was out there being a dead-beat mom, her children grew up motherless because she was locked up in a mental facility and the only reason she hurt Shouto is because Endeavor drove her to madness? Also lets be real, Endeavor didn't give her any authority or power when it comes to raising their kids, so there's no way she would have been able to take them to therapy without his permission.
Markub El Jaden
2024-10-01 01:58:05 +0000 UTCI disagree endeavor has the best development in the show, I dislike bakugo cause his development to me felt forced and his character doesn’t really change much even after everything thats happened.
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-09-30 04:37:13 +0000 UTCCrazy take icl.. bros prolly has one of the best character developments in the show bruh
Kene Ozoude
2024-09-30 04:34:38 +0000 UTCIn what way?
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-09-29 16:29:14 +0000 UTCLiking endeavor but not bakugo is the biggest hypocritical opinion you could have in this show tbh
Scar
2024-09-29 12:54:29 +0000 UTCI still think Endeavor didn’t treat Toya nearly as bad as the rest of the kids ngl, lil bro was stubborn asl and kept wanting to burn himself like what. which could have been due to his quirk affecting his personality but I woulda not want to burn myself
Bryan
2024-09-29 04:47:53 +0000 UTCOut of this entire character story line that is the one thing you focus on. Bet you are from twitter
L.C.
2024-09-29 00:01:10 +0000 UTCIronically if Endeavor and his family had been in a much healthier frame of mind back then they could have found a hero route for Tyoa- maybe not as a number 1 but maybe if he could learn to control fire that exists seperatly from himself he could put out fires instead of starting them. I don't know if he has this power or not but they never actually tried to see what he was capable of- only what he wasn't. His ability to adapt to cold climates also means he would have done wonders as the type of hero who could scour frozen climates for people who are stranded and provide heat for them until they were properly rescued. They put so much focus on the power of his fire and not the versitility of his fire that it resulted in him becoming such a tragic character. Copare that to Deku who instead focused on what he could do- he could analyse and take notes about various heroes. His mind and adaptability as someone without quirks was without question his greatest asset- and even after getting One for All this trait that was ingrained into him at a young age is why he is so good at what he does. Yeah he has all these skills and quirks but let's be real a super power punch was nothing compared to the true adaptability and ingenuity of "Black Whip: Froppy Style" when it came in clutch. Toya and Deku are two sides of the same coin in that regards and massive shout-out to Montana for picking up on that!
MegumiMary
2024-09-28 22:35:26 +0000 UTC7x16?
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 22:29:16 +0000 UTCI'm pretty sure I know the moment you speak of, and if I'm right I'll just say they're not ready!
Stache King
2024-09-28 22:24:28 +0000 UTCHaving just gotten caught up on everything in the show up to today, I can honestly say that this, looking back, was a cathartic experience. Endeavor f'ed up his family, but he knows that now and is working towards it through atonement.
Stache King
2024-09-28 22:21:44 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't read the manga but according to others it will either finish in a movie(s) or a 12-13ep season
Tigerclaw
2024-09-28 22:11:26 +0000 UTCyea and if that was the case then wouldn't shoto be the product of said sa?
Indifferent Denji
2024-09-28 22:05:36 +0000 UTCSeriously
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 22:04:00 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't think so. Rei and the their kids would in NO way be as tolerant of Endeavor if that had been the case.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 22:03:52 +0000 UTCI haven't read far enough in the manga to know what comes next, but my assumption is that season eight will be a half cour at around 12 episodes, like how season one was 13 episodes.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 22:02:43 +0000 UTCYeah, I wonder how they're gonna wrap it up bc apparently there's not enough chapters to adapt another season
Tigerclaw
2024-09-28 19:55:37 +0000 UTCNo this hasn’t been confirmed but it’s more so based on the context and headcanon.
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-09-28 19:51:18 +0000 UTCAlso on a completely unrelated note bakugos character sucks. Don’t @ me.
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-09-28 19:17:56 +0000 UTCare you making this up, or did the author say this
defnotdai
2024-09-28 18:58:42 +0000 UTCEndeavor is my favorite character, and his development is great. his attitude may be horrible at the start, but he very obviously regrets everything and doesn’t want to be forgiven. And will gladly leave his family if they could be happier without him.
Nathaniel Depaz
2024-09-28 18:20:57 +0000 UTCI'm gonna say this once: Endeavor sa'd Rei. She very clearly did not want to have more children, especially not under these circumstances.
Saiyasha
2024-09-28 17:38:21 +0000 UTCThe timing of this react episode with the current s7 one is perfect
Ej
2024-09-28 17:37:24 +0000 UTCToya feels like a serial killer or mass shooter whose issues stem from their early childhood and domestic abuse. I blame Endeavor for creating the conditions and I feel bad for child Toya being neglected, but I also feel some people go too far to absolve his crimes because of it.
Relliar
2024-09-28 17:35:48 +0000 UTCBy the way, arranged marriages _are_ still a thing in Japan. Of course _officially_ you can't force your child to marry someone against their will, but... well.
Saiyasha
2024-09-28 17:31:29 +0000 UTCWhat connections?
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 17:06:22 +0000 UTCSeason 7 realization I just had but can't share oof! But also can't wait for them to watch more!!
Babybear47
2024-09-28 16:53:43 +0000 UTCOmg I can't wait for Montana to get more info next episode yay!!
Babybear47
2024-09-28 16:44:01 +0000 UTCThis episode is crazy each time I've watched it but watching you guys watch this I can't stop crying
Babybear47
2024-09-28 16:31:28 +0000 UTCIt is VERY Hawks to eavesdrop and then just barge into a family conversation, he really doesn't care XD
David Bodor
2024-09-28 16:20:19 +0000 UTCIt’s not that it’s their fault, but the siblings believe they could’ve made a difference if they had made different choices.
Jared Glidden
2024-09-28 15:48:33 +0000 UTCForreal. Each time we get context on the Todoroki family, it changes our perspective and shows how gray the whole situation really is.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:47:22 +0000 UTCI don't think it would be necessarily boring, but it would definitely be less interesting without this plotline.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:46:17 +0000 UTCWelp, just finished it, and yeah. The timing of this upload was perfect. The new season's almost over, isn't it? Wasn't there going to be only 21 episodes?
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:45:43 +0000 UTCI've stopped doubting whether or not connections are intended by Horikoshi. They just are.
Soup in Boots
2024-09-28 15:45:29 +0000 UTCI don't know if this is a hot take but I feel like mha would be ungodly boring without the todoroki family drama💀
Butthead faxe
2024-09-28 15:18:29 +0000 UTCIt was one of my favorite episodes this season
Tigerclaw
2024-09-28 15:18:28 +0000 UTCSeriously, Montana is STILL on that whole, "you're just like him [AFO]" thing? The thing is, I've checked out the manga recently, and Bakugo said basically the same thing, so this isn't like a mistranslation of the dub or something. So I don't see what the issue is.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:12:40 +0000 UTCI'm going to watch it after this
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:05:24 +0000 UTCDuuuuude, Kenny's take on Toya and Deku in the Sports Festival is BRILLIANT. I'd also never thought of that parallel before!
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 15:02:12 +0000 UTCIt’s also not like Endeavor just abandoned him because he didn’t care about him, there was a very clear medical reason for why he tried to dissuade Toya from being a hero. It’s a tricky situation and I’m not trying to blame a child, but after a certain point the way he chooses to respond and act just makes me throw my hand out a little bit
Kollie123
2024-09-28 15:01:11 +0000 UTCI agree to an extent. Toya was a little shit lol But as far as how he treated women, you kinda gotta chalk that up to the parents, especially endeavor as his father. Though Natsu and shoto didn't treat women that disrespectfully like toya did. They all needed some therapy for sure
defnotdai
2024-09-28 15:00:32 +0000 UTCAgreed. Regardless of how it happened, Toya is still in control of his actions. He CHOSE to do all this.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 14:57:31 +0000 UTCKeeping up with the Todoroki's is the best part of this show
defnotdai
2024-09-28 14:52:56 +0000 UTCI can agree that the other siblings aren't to blame for the way Toya turned out, though I totally get why they feel that way, because tbh I feel like anyone in their situation or similar would naturally feel some level of guilt. But as for the mom, sorry she absolutely shares the blame and responsibility with Endeavor. Does that disregard the fact that she's a victim too, no. But she chose to continue their pursuit of quirk babies not once, but several times, she poured boiling water on Shoto's face, and they were all basically motherless for a portion of their life. And neither parent decided to look into some family therapy packages lol Both her and Endeavor could've handled Toya and Shoto a lot better.
defnotdai
2024-09-28 14:51:30 +0000 UTCThis is kinda perfect timing if you've seen the newest episode that came out today lol
Tigerclaw
2024-09-28 14:50:12 +0000 UTCThis episode makes me lose a lot of sympathy for Toya, both of his parents were genuinely concerned for his safety early on and yeah they didn’t handle it the best, and yeah he’s a little kid still, but he’s just such a little ass sometimes. Like the way he talked to his mom and says the women in the family are collectively useless, and I’m sorry but you lose a lot of points in my book when you attack a baby. Like yeah endeavor is still obviously the most at fault, but Toya really did not do the collective family any favors with his behavior for years The real tragedy of this family is they didn’t get their nutty kid in therapy
Kollie123
2024-09-28 14:39:01 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/wXqMMYza4rk?si=EcVc_RnrNy9KPYl0 Here's a meme I'm hoping you could use in your edits, Kenny. There's a certain season seven moment I had in mind, but it could be used for others.
H-Bomb 24
2024-09-28 14:25:58 +0000 UTCRan to watch this reaction
Simone Johnson
2024-09-28 14:06:25 +0000 UTC
